Blaming the victim.
I argue that I should not need a spam filter in order to use and enjoy the service that I pay for. But then I also argue that I should not need to have a lock on my door, or pay for a home security system. People should just be nice enough not to enter your home and steal from you. It's a shame that certain other "people" think don't have any moral issues with entering a house and stealing from people. And it's a shame that people believe it is all right for them to steal other people's time and resources in order to make money.
As a Republican, I can not answer your question because I am not, and I do not know of any Republicans who became so solely because of abortion. I am a Republican BECAUSE of their stance on many issues and DESPITE their stance on many others. For example, I am not so keen on the Republicans stance on gun ownership, nor do I like their military spending. But the good outweighs the bad.
I've often said that I don't like the Republicans because they make promises, and don't keep them, and that I don't like Democrats, because they make promises, and they DO keep them.
One could make the same argument for consenting underage sex. Two people are making each other happy, yet society says it is wrong. And if one of them is over 18, it's rape no matter how much the other wanted it.
You don't go to jail for eating ice cream in a town square. Crimes like this, and speeding are not even deterrent crimes. They are more like "privelege" crimes. You can drive 80 miles an hour but once in a while, they charge you $90 for the privelege. It doesn't stop you unless you get too many "points" and they take away your license.
What a lot people are upset at is that people can get tossed in jail in some states for possession of marijuana. Well, it may seem harsh, but you could always move to another state, or not smoke marijuana. of course, it is addicting, so that's like telling people not to smoke.
>Morality *should not* be legislated in a Free Country
Laws ARE societies morals.
You have to legislate morality, unless you can convince everyone else to have the same morals as you. Some people don't think it is morally wrong to steal from others. Yet we still make laws which prohibit them from doing so. Society as a whole has to decide where to draw the lines.
For example: how old is a consenting adult for you? It may be different for me. It is illegal in most states to have sex with people who a scant few hundred years ago would have already been married by that age. The laws are there so that everyone doesn't go around making their own moral choices which happen to be different from everyone elses moral choices.
Is prison rape really as widespread as this thread seems to imply?
I, for one, do not condone or laugh at the idea of prisoners getting raped, in general. If someone raped or killed one of my girls, though, I would probably pay someone to rape the guy twice a day and thrice on Thursdays.
But no, generally speaking, I don't condone it. In fact, I would say a prisoner who does the raping is pretty much showing a clear sign that he is not interested in rehabilition, and it is pretty much time to issue a bullet with his/her name on it.
I think that you are correct that the punishment should not be linked to the dollar amount. I don't care if you steal a $10 million painting, a car, a kid's bike, or somebody's wallet, you are a thief and don't deserve to live in modern society.
We're not talking Les Miserables here. In the U.S., people rarely steal for food. People here steal because they want to sell the items for alcohol, drugs, or cigarettes, or even more often, just because somebody has something that they want and rather than work hard to get it, they'd rather just steal it.
Whatever happened to ironic punishments? Give him a flexible jail term in which he can get out at anytime. All he has to do is empty out an e-mail mailbox... which has whatever number of spams (call it a billion), and one out of every 20 e-mails is a legitimate e-mail, which, if deleted will cause him to have to start over.
But showing prevailing wage is easy enough to do. Especially with "title creep", in which people get awarded titles instead of compensation. Thus giving them the ability to get a job at another company witht the same title, that they have absolutely no idea how to do.
I once knew a guy whose title was Database Administrator. His job? To enter data in a database. (He was ACTUALLY a telemarketer)
Oh yes, and I know how difficult it is to get into the U.S. on a visa. But it is fairly easy for a company to get someone here on a visa. And I guar-an-tee you that most people here in the states on work visa are not getting paid prevailing wage. After all, they have to recoup those visa fees somehow (even though it is illegal to do so). By the way, have you sued your employer yet for illegally making you pay for your own visa?
You're exactly right. We have a chasm here in which qualified IT workers can't get noticed because of the riff raff and companies also complain that they can't find qualified IT workers. If only there was a way to connect the two. Too bad all the headhunting agencies are just outsourced clueless HR departments.
Well, it's pretty easy to get a visa application approved. All you have to do is show that you advertised a postition, nationwide even, and were not able to find one qualified applicant in the U.S. For example, you could offer a job for an experience data warehouse architect with Oracle 9 experience, and offer $20k starting salary. Well, we got no takers, so obviously no one has that skill set in the U.S. But we got lots of calls from people in India.
Public companies are no longer spending money on research, so we won't see any more leaps for awhile. Research generates long term huge profits. Today's investor wants short term small dollars. So public companies can not do research. Also, for the same reason, many companies don't do new product development. They try to hang everything on their current product and keep modifying it to try to compete. Both new product development and research employ the bulk of IT workers.
Yes, but people who suck at a job bring down the whole average of opinion and of salary level of that type of job, affecting people who CAN do the job well.
And you know that HR is not going to let you get paid $100k, while Mr. Retired Watch Repairman who took a MCSE class gets paid $33k, even if you can do 10 times the work. No, they'll acknowledge that you're better and give you a salary of maybe $35k.
The people who entered IT for the money back in the 90's are getting paid what they are worth. Unfortunately, those of us who entered IT for the love of it, and are good at it, ALSO get paid what the slackers are worth.
On a nation scale, just last week the feds were saying the new jobless numbers were up, but that this was GOOD news because the economy was picking up and people were starting to get back into the workforce, therefore the increase in jobless was due to the increase in people attempting to be in the workforce, rather than because people were getting laid off.
This is true in general, not just for security. Companies don't like to give jobs to people who are out of work. Companies would much rather cherry pick someone who is already gainfully employed elsewhere. Obviously, if you don't have a job, then they shouldn't hire you, because nobody else has either.
Oh, and don't go padding your resume saying that you weren't unemployed, you were contracting. That's even worse. Nobody wants to hire someone who is adaptable, thinks on their feet, and has personal ambition. That kind of person will leave as soon as the market picks up.
Try to pass yourself off as someone who is competent to do the job, but otherwise a complete amoeba with no backbone at all.
And we can say that conclusively why?
Can we be certain the every ogrganism on Earth is not just a "gene" of Earth's DNA. Look at how some of those "gene"s are attempting to move forward and populate other planets.
Maybe the Earth is just an electronic circling the nucleus of a giant atom in a humongous organism. Maybe our electron is a planet circling the sun of some miniscule system.
Let's not get stuck thinking that our idea of life is the only possibility. That our scale is the only scale that exists. By doing so, science does to itself what it accuses religion of, believing that man is the entire focus of all that exists.
You may have read it that way, but my intention was not to imply that the Earth evolves in order to sustain human life.
I agree that the Earth evolves in order to support life in general. We may as a species cause great numbers of ourselves to die off due to overpollution or what have you, but ultimately, our survival depends more on random chance and natural selection.
Our mistreatment of the Earth is not sufficient to cause the Earth to become uninhabitable. Nature has checks and balances built in such that the very things which make the Earth sick cause other processes to begin which make the Earth more healthy. Much like our own bodies.
It would appear that someone put a lot of thought into this.
They probably could find some bacteria by scraping the underside of the rover. It surely picked up some on Earth. Instead of looking for bacteria on Mars, maybe it would be more useful for us to see if bacteria from Earth could SURVIVE on Mars.
Genesis is probably what you get when a non-scientific old man tries to write down what God gave him in a vision. It's not wrong, per se, but it was just the best way he was able to cope with what he saw.
Imagine if God were to give someone from 2000 years ago visions of airplanes and nuclear bombs and stuff. You'd probably get a book that read a lot like Revelations.
Humans are NOT apes. Humans and apes are together in the superfamily Hominoidea. One thing that creationists and evolutionary scientists agree on is that humans did not evolve from apes. An evolutionary scientist will tell you that humans and apes evolved separately, but from a common ancestor.
I for one had to spring for the $36 a year for this service so that my wife could tell when she doesn't need to answer the phone, thus saving her from 5 to 10 calls a day from people trying to harass her into giving money. I don't subscribe to the idea of "just don't answer the phone" any more than I subscribe to the idea of "just click delete on the spam". It's my phone, I pay for it, and I should be able to answer it without having to worry about the caller trying to sell me something.
If we socialize the telephone and pay for it entirely out of telemarketer taxes, then they can call me to their hearts content.
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Blaming the victim.
I argue that I should not need a spam filter in order to use and enjoy the service that I pay for. But then I also argue that I should not need to have a lock on my door, or pay for a home security system. People should just be nice enough not to enter your home and steal from you. It's a shame that certain other "people" think don't have any moral issues with entering a house and stealing from people. And it's a shame that people believe it is all right for them to steal other people's time and resources in order to make money.
As a Republican, I can not answer your question because I am not, and I do not know of any Republicans who became so solely because of abortion. I am a Republican BECAUSE of their stance on many issues and DESPITE their stance on many others. For example, I am not so keen on the Republicans stance on gun ownership, nor do I like their military spending. But the good outweighs the bad.
I've often said that I don't like the Republicans because they make promises, and don't keep them, and that I don't like Democrats, because they make promises, and they DO keep them.
One could make the same argument for consenting underage sex. Two people are making each other happy, yet society says it is wrong. And if one of them is over 18, it's rape no matter how much the other wanted it.
You don't go to jail for eating ice cream in a town square. Crimes like this, and speeding are not even deterrent crimes. They are more like "privelege" crimes. You can drive 80 miles an hour but once in a while, they charge you $90 for the privelege. It doesn't stop you unless you get too many "points" and they take away your license.
What a lot people are upset at is that people can get tossed in jail in some states for possession of marijuana. Well, it may seem harsh, but you could always move to another state, or not smoke marijuana. of course, it is addicting, so that's like telling people not to smoke.
>Morality *should not* be legislated in a Free Country
Laws ARE societies morals.
You have to legislate morality, unless you can convince everyone else to have the same morals as you. Some people don't think it is morally wrong to steal from others. Yet we still make laws which prohibit them from doing so. Society as a whole has to decide where to draw the lines.
For example: how old is a consenting adult for you? It may be different for me. It is illegal in most states to have sex with people who a scant few hundred years ago would have already been married by that age. The laws are there so that everyone doesn't go around making their own moral choices which happen to be different from everyone elses moral choices.
Is prison rape really as widespread as this thread seems to imply?
I, for one, do not condone or laugh at the idea of prisoners getting raped, in general. If someone raped or killed one of my girls, though, I would probably pay someone to rape the guy twice a day and thrice on Thursdays.
But no, generally speaking, I don't condone it. In fact, I would say a prisoner who does the raping is pretty much showing a clear sign that he is not interested in rehabilition, and it is pretty much time to issue a bullet with his/her name on it.
I think that you are correct that the punishment should not be linked to the dollar amount. I don't care if you steal a $10 million painting, a car, a kid's bike, or somebody's wallet, you are a thief and don't deserve to live in modern society.
We're not talking Les Miserables here. In the U.S., people rarely steal for food. People here steal because they want to sell the items for alcohol, drugs, or cigarettes, or even more often, just because somebody has something that they want and rather than work hard to get it, they'd rather just steal it.
Whatever happened to ironic punishments? Give him a flexible jail term in which he can get out at anytime. All he has to do is empty out an e-mail mailbox ... which has whatever number of spams (call it a billion), and one out of every 20 e-mails is a legitimate e-mail, which, if deleted will cause him to have to start over.
My bank even provides the notes for you, in case you didn't bring a preprinted one from your checkbook.
But showing prevailing wage is easy enough to do. Especially with "title creep", in which people get awarded titles instead of compensation. Thus giving them the ability to get a job at another company witht the same title, that they have absolutely no idea how to do.
I once knew a guy whose title was Database Administrator. His job? To enter data in a database. (He was ACTUALLY a telemarketer)
Oh yes, and I know how difficult it is to get into the U.S. on a visa. But it is fairly easy for a company to get someone here on a visa. And I guar-an-tee you that most people here in the states on work visa are not getting paid prevailing wage. After all, they have to recoup those visa fees somehow (even though it is illegal to do so). By the way, have you sued your employer yet for illegally making you pay for your own visa?
You're exactly right. We have a chasm here in which qualified IT workers can't get noticed because of the riff raff and companies also complain that they can't find qualified IT workers. If only there was a way to connect the two. Too bad all the headhunting agencies are just outsourced clueless HR departments.
Well, it's pretty easy to get a visa application approved. All you have to do is show that you advertised a postition, nationwide even, and were not able to find one qualified applicant in the U.S. For example, you could offer a job for an experience data warehouse architect with Oracle 9 experience, and offer $20k starting salary. Well, we got no takers, so obviously no one has that skill set in the U.S. But we got lots of calls from people in India.
Public companies are no longer spending money on research, so we won't see any more leaps for awhile. Research generates long term huge profits. Today's investor wants short term small dollars. So public companies can not do research. Also, for the same reason, many companies don't do new product development. They try to hang everything on their current product and keep modifying it to try to compete. Both new product development and research employ the bulk of IT workers.
Yes, but people who suck at a job bring down the whole average of opinion and of salary level of that type of job, affecting people who CAN do the job well.
And you know that HR is not going to let you get paid $100k, while Mr. Retired Watch Repairman who took a MCSE class gets paid $33k, even if you can do 10 times the work. No, they'll acknowledge that you're better and give you a salary of maybe $35k.
The people who entered IT for the money back in the 90's are getting paid what they are worth. Unfortunately, those of us who entered IT for the love of it, and are good at it, ALSO get paid what the slackers are worth.
On a nation scale, just last week the feds were saying the new jobless numbers were up, but that this was GOOD news because the economy was picking up and people were starting to get back into the workforce, therefore the increase in jobless was due to the increase in people attempting to be in the workforce, rather than because people were getting laid off.
This is true in general, not just for security. Companies don't like to give jobs to people who are out of work. Companies would much rather cherry pick someone who is already gainfully employed elsewhere. Obviously, if you don't have a job, then they shouldn't hire you, because nobody else has either.
Oh, and don't go padding your resume saying that you weren't unemployed, you were contracting. That's even worse. Nobody wants to hire someone who is adaptable, thinks on their feet, and has personal ambition. That kind of person will leave as soon as the market picks up.
Try to pass yourself off as someone who is competent to do the job, but otherwise a complete amoeba with no backbone at all.
I, on the other hand, moved AWAY from Chicago because I couldn't find a tech job.
And we can say that conclusively why?
Can we be certain the every ogrganism on Earth is not just a "gene" of Earth's DNA. Look at how some of those "gene"s are attempting to move forward and populate other planets.
Maybe the Earth is just an electronic circling the nucleus of a giant atom in a humongous organism. Maybe our electron is a planet circling the sun of some miniscule system.
Let's not get stuck thinking that our idea of life is the only possibility. That our scale is the only scale that exists. By doing so, science does to itself what it accuses religion of, believing that man is the entire focus of all that exists.
You may have read it that way, but my intention was not to imply that the Earth evolves in order to sustain human life.
I agree that the Earth evolves in order to support life in general. We may as a species cause great numbers of ourselves to die off due to overpollution or what have you, but ultimately, our survival depends more on random chance and natural selection.
Our mistreatment of the Earth is not sufficient to cause the Earth to become uninhabitable. Nature has checks and balances built in such that the very things which make the Earth sick cause other processes to begin which make the Earth more healthy. Much like our own bodies.
It would appear that someone put a lot of thought into this.
They probably could find some bacteria by scraping the underside of the rover. It surely picked up some on Earth. Instead of looking for bacteria on Mars, maybe it would be more useful for us to see if bacteria from Earth could SURVIVE on Mars.
Not according to Hollywood. Witness: Day After Tomorrow.
Genesis is probably what you get when a non-scientific old man tries to write down what God gave him in a vision. It's not wrong, per se, but it was just the best way he was able to cope with what he saw.
Imagine if God were to give someone from 2000 years ago visions of airplanes and nuclear bombs and stuff. You'd probably get a book that read a lot like Revelations.
Humans are NOT apes. Humans and apes are together in the superfamily Hominoidea. One thing that creationists and evolutionary scientists agree on is that humans did not evolve from apes. An evolutionary scientist will tell you that humans and apes evolved separately, but from a common ancestor.
I for one had to spring for the $36 a year for this service so that my wife could tell when she doesn't need to answer the phone, thus saving her from 5 to 10 calls a day from people trying to harass her into giving money. I don't subscribe to the idea of "just don't answer the phone" any more than I subscribe to the idea of "just click delete on the spam". It's my phone, I pay for it, and I should be able to answer it without having to worry about the caller trying to sell me something.
If we socialize the telephone and pay for it entirely out of telemarketer taxes, then they can call me to their hearts content.
I can't see it happening, but I wish for a 15% or more majority, so that the other side will not have much of a case for whining.