From sladhdot users.... please would you READ the article so you dont start sounding like a idiot when you find out its NOT about translucent windows, but windows that gradually TURN translucent as your working in another one.
As for the patten it's self, do I even need to bring up the fact that Longhorn (you know that M$ OS that now wont be out as its full feature OS untill 2009) already has a interface that looks and feels like OS X, right down to having Expose!!! I mean I know pattening a UI isnt cool, but when your competitor is directly copying your UI and saying it created it... dont you think the other company should have something to use against them?
Then again Im asking the slashdot croud who thinks everything should be free and lawyers should die, so maybe Im wrong.
um actually it runs great, it was only slow on my iBook SE but even that has 10.3 on it and runs, though not very speedy, its much speedier than 10.0 was on it, which BTW was my default OS when I got it
and well my 900 mhz iBook and 1st gen iPod would tell you your wrong about not buying Apple gear.
see this is where the older generation mac users have you beat... we know how to TAKE CARE of our macs and get them to perform as fast as they are supposed to, not bog them down. Honestly the one G3 works great with CS and Vectorworks, maybe not lightning fast, but it works, it doesnt crash,and best of all, it gets the job done.
its so sad to see they arnt modding down the trolls to -5 these days:-D
first apple has a decent profit margin on its upper end, its low end is only about 20 - 50 bucks but the upper end is good.
second its the software manufacturers who dictate what runs, there is actually very little software that dosent work on 10.2 or 10.1 but works in 10.3, if anything its the reverse because there was some software that had sloppy code that was broken by Apple by taking out the code shortcuts they where using to address hardware instead of the proper way. The only code i know that only 10.3 can use is in the case of calls that where added to the OS that developers decided to use instead of older but still usable 10.2 calls.
Please use real facts the next time you respond there are many people stilll using 10.2 and 10.1 out there, including my lab of 100 iMacs that we decided not to upgrade since they didnt need the usability features.
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but didnt a whole group of scientists prove that there is actually LESS pollution in the air than at the start of the 20th century... if thats so then how could they relate the dimming to pollution if studys show the airs cleaner?
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but its a known fact it was apples fault.... it was just too much money and not enough of a benifit.
if.
the emacs where dropped to 500/600 dollars, the iMacs kept at the same price but there where to be single G5 cubes for the price of the current G4 powemac mirrordrives you can still buy and then the G5 duals at the high end... they might sell this time
nothing nefarrious about it, OS forces movement, its a known fact.
Remember when AMD was pushing its XP line of chips, or how about how Apple shut out all Gen 2 power PC's with OS X. Its not the work of anything more evil than we want you to upgrade and buy more of our products.
Seriously when is the last time outside games and maybe video that you couldnt do anything on a older machine you could on a new
even with video I did a lot of work on a 5500 with the AV cards, most old macs can encode mp3's AND worked with iTunes and replated mp3 Players (my rio worked great with my PowerComputing Powerbase 180) Word prossesing, Adobe products just add to a already base software, same with Macromedia.
There is no reason to upgrade other than to use the few tools that dont work with older machines, and to run things faster and thus produce work faster of which word prossesing isnt included cause the only thing stopping you there is your typing speed.
But then all the computer manufacturers wont have anyone to sell to!
see to me a trojan makes you think your doing everything as normal.... you run the installer, the Microsoft install script runs, everything looks on the up and up untill you look in your user folder.
when you SEE the applescript run app start bouncing in your dock (which would have happened), that should have been your first sign to end the task and delete the file. It might technically be a trojan, but it is nothing like the proof of consept trojan they where talking about and worse, it gives MANY MANY hints its not what it says it is even to the dumbest of users.
right and I know people using Mac SE's, Im glad you bit because you proved a important point.
ALL THIS OS FIGHTING IS INSAIN.
The only thing PC's have had over Macs is games and price... THATS IT! You can do the same things give or take ease of use on both. I perfer to use my Macs, but I have a buddy who loves his PC's. Now truth be told when you get to the company line, The Macs have been at a advantage over the PC's because as I pointed out a little earlier elsewhere in this thread I just installed XP on a pretty much rebuilt 450mhz Compaq 5360 with full memory. While XP is running, its not nearly as speedy as OS X has been on my 300mhz G3 both from the same model year.
Now that advantage might dissapear soon, no one knows the requirements of Tiger, but even there unlike the Compaq I can install a 1.4ghz upgrade to that G3 and still run the same software (the question is why spend $500 when for $700 I could get a brand new eMac.)
But your exactly right it doesnt matter the machine! I have friends who still write reports on eMates and Comadores because they can and because they really dont care to get a computer to do anything but be a word prossesor. Heck I was still using a PC Jr. and a Tandy 1000 in 1995 with no problems yet 4 years later have a machine that ran circles around the two. If your comfortable with the machine then use it. And getting back to the main topic, anyone who says to NOT use machines given to the despite the OS being OS X not a PC is a tool, most schools DIE to get new machines.... I JUST got rid of 5500's this summer, replaced with iMacs. Most schools dont have a decent IT budget and cant affored the machines so they take what they can get. Not every school is MIT or Yale you know.
ummm explain G3's then... cause I have been running 3 of them (2 300mhz and a 900mhz iBook) the 2 300mhz are from 1999 when I bought them and where the low man on the pole of the Desktop systems.
Im still using them today running Adobe CS and Dreamweaver.
This compaired to the 450 mhz AMD K6 I just worked on that is struggling to run anything AFTER I completely wiped the HD reinstalled and fully loaded it with ram. Same year, the G3 on new software runs circles around the AMD on new software (Win XP)
Oh and BTW that G3 was $1300 in 1999, you can still buy 1.4 gihz G4 mirror drives for $1000, its just to the Mac market you DONT have to buy the best gear to get your software to run, unlike the PC market. People are running Final Cut Pro and Maya on $700 eMacs perfectly fine with minimal speed reduction.
no its easy to explain, market share does not equal user base.
There are many more mac users using equipment from 97-99 still in 2004 running OS X. Unlike some people most of us have OS X running no problem and running just as fast as OS 9 was.
In the PC world your expected to buy a new computer every 2 years, in the mac world thats not the case.
but if the guy was even remotely smart he could have seen the icon didnt match with what the program said it was... its not like it was embeded in a program, it wasnt even the program it said it was.
its not a trojan, its a fucking applescript with a Microsoft icon on it. The dumbass deserved to get hit when they saw it was only 104 megs when every install of office had been 300 or more.
ahh but to the tech dumb public, that is everyone... remember most people still think Real is inovative, the only thing they are inovative at is giving me something to do while I wait for a video to rebuffer
This has been discussed many times before, and the simple fact is Americans do more high speed driving than the Japanese. In city, the milage is good cause your sitting at trafic lights and generally not engaging the engine, but just the electric motor. But get above 55 and your usually on the engine, which most commuters who would be buying these things would be doing, if you live innercity like say NY, your using mass transit NOT a car simply cause you cant park the damn thing. So the hybrids really dont even become a deal with you.
Car and Driver did a study and came up with this conclusion over a year ago. Why is this a surprise to everyone that the hybrids dont work in our enviroment?
A) only hackers and script kiddies would care about a DRM war, the general public will look down on them just as they do now.
B) DRM IS ok, because its not telling you anything but dont pirate music, its saying your allowed to put it on 5 computers, unlimited iPods, and 7 burns. Anyone who does more than that is obviously pirating and should be punished.
C) Fighting DRM by coding around it IS pirating. The law says your only allowed to circumvent it if the DRM is deemed outragous, Fairplay is hardly outragious and anyone going around it is bound to be prosecuted and will most likely lose.
This isnt hackers here, in the real world YOU WILL GO TO JAIL, there is no happy ending and the hackers wont save the day. The only way to fight this is to go along with it, show the best face possible and beat it in the courts.
Im sorry but Im sick of all the winny liberal bullshit, AND IM A LIBERAL. The only people bitching about DRM are misguided people and people who WANT there to be no DRM so they can pirate. If you dont want ot follow rules, go make your own country. If you want to CHANGE rules.... this is not the way, you will only make us who are trying to get rid of the laws look bad.
you the reason us geeks have a bad name, because you defend your right to piracy as legal when time and again you have been told its not. The companies have to do something otherwise we will not only NOT be able to download music, but pretty soon maybe not rip albums, NOT because of Apple, but because of the RIAA using YOUR arguments as a example of why they need to lock down music.
which do you think looks better
a) geeks paying to download and buying CDs, with the RIAA trying to argue that online music doesnt sell but the records showing they are wrong.
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b) geeks pirating music on p2p's online music failing and the goverment argeeing with the RIAA argument and thus allowing complete lockdown of all recordings with the rest of the world following suit. the CD format changed to a very propetary version that breaks old records and copy protects new ones, and the RIAA alowed to go through with their tech that breaks computers you try to rip with
Dont think b couldnt happen, some of them almost did back in the napster days, the only thing that stopped them was they where pursuaded to try out online music, they failed but apple didnt. Do you really want Apples failure to signal the start of a user rights war that could drag in courts for decades?
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As for the patten it's self, do I even need to bring up the fact that Longhorn (you know that M$ OS that now wont be out as its full feature OS untill 2009) already has a interface that looks and feels like OS X, right down to having Expose!!! I mean I know pattening a UI isnt cool, but when your competitor is directly copying your UI and saying it created it... dont you think the other company should have something to use against them?
Then again Im asking the slashdot croud who thinks everything should be free and lawyers should die, so maybe Im wrong.
And I was on the internet well before you my young friend... which is sad considering I most likely am younger than you
and well my 900 mhz iBook and 1st gen iPod would tell you your wrong about not buying Apple gear.
see this is where the older generation mac users have you beat... we know how to TAKE CARE of our macs and get them to perform as fast as they are supposed to, not bog them down. Honestly the one G3 works great with CS and Vectorworks, maybe not lightning fast, but it works, it doesnt crash,and best of all, it gets the job done.
its so sad to see they arnt modding down the trolls to -5 these days :-D
first apple has a decent profit margin on its upper end, its low end is only about 20 - 50 bucks but the upper end is good.
second its the software manufacturers who dictate what runs, there is actually very little software that dosent work on 10.2 or 10.1 but works in 10.3, if anything its the reverse because there was some software that had sloppy code that was broken by Apple by taking out the code shortcuts they where using to address hardware instead of the proper way. The only code i know that only 10.3 can use is in the case of calls that where added to the OS that developers decided to use instead of older but still usable 10.2 calls.
Please use real facts the next time you respond there are many people stilll using 10.2 and 10.1 out there, including my lab of 100 iMacs that we decided not to upgrade since they didnt need the usability features.
bada bum :-D
basically big brother has come home, and he's from texas
but didnt a whole group of scientists prove that there is actually LESS pollution in the air than at the start of the 20th century... if thats so then how could they relate the dimming to pollution if studys show the airs cleaner?
if.
the emacs where dropped to 500/600 dollars, the iMacs kept at the same price but there where to be single G5 cubes for the price of the current G4 powemac mirrordrives you can still buy and then the G5 duals at the high end... they might sell this time
Im the only one who remebers the Navy's blue screen of death fiasco.
Remember when AMD was pushing its XP line of chips, or how about how Apple shut out all Gen 2 power PC's with OS X. Its not the work of anything more evil than we want you to upgrade and buy more of our products.
Seriously when is the last time outside games and maybe video that you couldnt do anything on a older machine you could on a new
even with video I did a lot of work on a 5500 with the AV cards, most old macs can encode mp3's AND worked with iTunes and replated mp3 Players (my rio worked great with my PowerComputing Powerbase 180) Word prossesing, Adobe products just add to a already base software, same with Macromedia.
There is no reason to upgrade other than to use the few tools that dont work with older machines, and to run things faster and thus produce work faster of which word prossesing isnt included cause the only thing stopping you there is your typing speed.
But then all the computer manufacturers wont have anyone to sell to!
when you SEE the applescript run app start bouncing in your dock (which would have happened), that should have been your first sign to end the task and delete the file. It might technically be a trojan, but it is nothing like the proof of consept trojan they where talking about and worse, it gives MANY MANY hints its not what it says it is even to the dumbest of users.
ALL THIS OS FIGHTING IS INSAIN.
The only thing PC's have had over Macs is games and price... THATS IT! You can do the same things give or take ease of use on both. I perfer to use my Macs, but I have a buddy who loves his PC's. Now truth be told when you get to the company line, The Macs have been at a advantage over the PC's because as I pointed out a little earlier elsewhere in this thread I just installed XP on a pretty much rebuilt 450mhz Compaq 5360 with full memory. While XP is running, its not nearly as speedy as OS X has been on my 300mhz G3 both from the same model year.
Now that advantage might dissapear soon, no one knows the requirements of Tiger, but even there unlike the Compaq I can install a 1.4ghz upgrade to that G3 and still run the same software (the question is why spend $500 when for $700 I could get a brand new eMac.)
But your exactly right it doesnt matter the machine! I have friends who still write reports on eMates and Comadores because they can and because they really dont care to get a computer to do anything but be a word prossesor. Heck I was still using a PC Jr. and a Tandy 1000 in 1995 with no problems yet 4 years later have a machine that ran circles around the two. If your comfortable with the machine then use it. And getting back to the main topic, anyone who says to NOT use machines given to the despite the OS being OS X not a PC is a tool, most schools DIE to get new machines.... I JUST got rid of 5500's this summer, replaced with iMacs. Most schools dont have a decent IT budget and cant affored the machines so they take what they can get. Not every school is MIT or Yale you know.
Im still using them today running Adobe CS and Dreamweaver.
This compaired to the 450 mhz AMD K6 I just worked on that is struggling to run anything AFTER I completely wiped the HD reinstalled and fully loaded it with ram. Same year, the G3 on new software runs circles around the AMD on new software (Win XP)
Oh and BTW that G3 was $1300 in 1999, you can still buy 1.4 gihz G4 mirror drives for $1000, its just to the Mac market you DONT have to buy the best gear to get your software to run, unlike the PC market. People are running Final Cut Pro and Maya on $700 eMacs perfectly fine with minimal speed reduction.
In the PC world your expected to buy a new computer every 2 years, in the mac world thats not the case.
but if the guy was even remotely smart he could have seen the icon didnt match with what the program said it was... its not like it was embeded in a program, it wasnt even the program it said it was.
its not a trojan, its a fucking applescript with a Microsoft icon on it. The dumbass deserved to get hit when they saw it was only 104 megs when every install of office had been 300 or more.
ahh but to the tech dumb public, that is everyone... remember most people still think Real is inovative, the only thing they are inovative at is giving me something to do while I wait for a video to rebuffer
There was a wired article going back a few years that showed that glass was the best substance, and that the likelyhood of breaking where next to zill
And yet people praise Microsoft for doing it
Car and Driver did a study and came up with this conclusion over a year ago. Why is this a surprise to everyone that the hybrids dont work in our enviroment?
very funny Microsoft, but dont you know ventriloquist acts went out of style a long time ago.
B) DRM IS ok, because its not telling you anything but dont pirate music, its saying your allowed to put it on 5 computers, unlimited iPods, and 7 burns. Anyone who does more than that is obviously pirating and should be punished.
C) Fighting DRM by coding around it IS pirating. The law says your only allowed to circumvent it if the DRM is deemed outragous, Fairplay is hardly outragious and anyone going around it is bound to be prosecuted and will most likely lose.
This isnt hackers here, in the real world YOU WILL GO TO JAIL, there is no happy ending and the hackers wont save the day. The only way to fight this is to go along with it, show the best face possible and beat it in the courts.
Im sorry but Im sick of all the winny liberal bullshit, AND IM A LIBERAL. The only people bitching about DRM are misguided people and people who WANT there to be no DRM so they can pirate. If you dont want ot follow rules, go make your own country. If you want to CHANGE rules.... this is not the way, you will only make us who are trying to get rid of the laws look bad.
Trust me you guys are making it VERY hard for us
you the reason us geeks have a bad name, because you defend your right to piracy as legal when time and again you have been told its not. The companies have to do something otherwise we will not only NOT be able to download music, but pretty soon maybe not rip albums, NOT because of Apple, but because of the RIAA using YOUR arguments as a example of why they need to lock down music.
which do you think looks better a) geeks paying to download and buying CDs, with the RIAA trying to argue that online music doesnt sell but the records showing they are wrong. OR b) geeks pirating music on p2p's online music failing and the goverment argeeing with the RIAA argument and thus allowing complete lockdown of all recordings with the rest of the world following suit. the CD format changed to a very propetary version that breaks old records and copy protects new ones, and the RIAA alowed to go through with their tech that breaks computers you try to rip with Dont think b couldnt happen, some of them almost did back in the napster days, the only thing that stopped them was they where pursuaded to try out online music, they failed but apple didnt. Do you really want Apples failure to signal the start of a user rights war that could drag in courts for decades?
not nearly as easy as you think.
hell if it worked with beer and cereal!