Sure. The Slashdot thing (hi osm!) is to talk about Natalie Portman, but as far as I'm concerned, you could be talking about naked marmosets and petrified socks. So long as it generally nods absurdly enough such that people might loosen up a bit. I personally loved the Professional and Mars Attacks!, but Star Wars . . . . *shudders*
Oh, and I agree with the constants in caps. Odds are we learned with the same damn books;-) And TAG!!!!!!
Yeppers, open source rocks. However, if you don't want the trolls and natalie portman stuff, you need to make sure you undefine them with the GOODSTYLE define. There's a routine in the GOODSTYLE macro that reads:
Sometimes I forget myself. People ask me why I look so tired (I'm up in the day because I have a JOB). My instant thought is maybe they can help me with whatever problem I was working on the night before, so I go into a long winded explaination. About half way through, I see the glazed over faces, and finish with a half-hearted "umm . . . hacking code"
The alternative is when you DO finish something neat, and you're all happy-like and want to show it off. Usually to people who don't care. Being a geek is an odd lifestyle. It's a wonder I have any friends left.
The word gay actually is what got me into semantics when I was in high school. I grew up with it being slang for stupid, as in "that movie was gay". I knew it as that even before I knew/understood the idea of homosexuality. As far as I saw it, the history went a little like this:
The word means happy
Homosexuals, in struggling for acceptance take a retalitory stance and adopt the term gay, implying that their lifestyle is happy, whereas being straight is not
The generally homophobic youth culture changes the meaning to stupid, implying that homosexuals who choose to call themselves that are stupid.
Really interesting to see the way words change. Duh is now in the dictionary. But as far as this debate, it's just one culture (programmers) trying to distance themselves from another (script kiddies) while still maintaining a bit of counter-culture status.
our high school had tv instead of radio. As a music geek, I didn't care, so I got a show on the local college station. I played the most depressing stuff I could find (the show was at 3am sunday mornings). Oddly enough, I got more calls per hour than any other show on the air. Mostly the novelty; no one else in central new york listened to that crap.
I don't mean to sound inflamatory, nor do I mean to speak for the community on this one. I ask, as one musician to another, how you can justify your actions. Napster, and other.mp3 trading tools do not really benefit established artists like yourself. That's fine. Everyone knows who Metallica are. No one is going to go into a record store and say "I wonder what these guys sound like". And that's fine; you've earned that right. Who Napster DOES benefit are less established artists. People who are sketchy on one band or another. It would be easy enough to (illegally) grab a few songs, or an entire album by a band you were unsure on. If they only like one or two tracks, then they don't feel as if they've wasted money on the cd. Alot of musicians just want people to buy the cd, and don't care if they sell it back or not, but I, and many other people who are more concerned with the art rather than the economics feel that it would be more important that the people who have the music appreciate it, and hopefully enjoy it. After all, isn't that why art is created? Not for the black figure at the bottom of a bank statement.
The potential hazzard is people packaging the.mp3s and selling them off as if it were your legitamate product. But that's not what you're going after; you're just going after the trade. No, you don't get a royalty for every time an.mp3 is played, but you don't get one for every time someone dubs a tape for a friend, which though illegal, it happens, and is passively accepted behaviour. Again, that can only be a positive thing as far as your art is concerned: someone who didn't have the disposable income to buy the cd now CAN appreciate your art, while those with the income can listen to decide if they really want it. Don't tell me that you've never sold a cd because someone had a dubbed copy and liked it. That's the way the music industry works.
With this lawsuit, you're not attacking piracy, or defending musicians' rights. You're attacking musicians. You're hurting less established acts by taking action against a protocol for easy exchange of their art. As you learned when you started, it's not easy. Are you angry that modern acts DO have these tools that you didn't have when you were starting? Or are you trying to stop newer acts from getting big and taking away from your sales? Because like it or not, that's what's happening. Leaving it alone wouldn't really hurt you, but taking it away definitely hurts us.
Sorry for being so longwinded, and while I doubt this question will pass, I really hope that it finds the eyes of the band.
other than the gratuitious "imagine a beowulf cluster" comment . . .
in actuallity, you'd need a good dozen of these before a cluster is really effective, particularly beowulf-style. Agreed, this is a pretty cost-efficient way of doing it (going for about the price of an old 486, and with a little more muscle. That and you'd have to alter all your code to work with a cluster system, so the applications you'd run on it would be completely different. So before dropping the cash, you really need to decide what you want to do with it, not just to say you have a cluster (but if you have the spare disposable income, rock on with your bad self! Or give some to me).
If you're looking at two boxes (the iOpeners have really nice monitors, I agree), a better way to do it might be to network the boxes with a REALLY fast card, and convince the system it's really one SMP box instead of two. That way you can still tweak code, but run normal applications on it if you want. Then you can do something other than crunch inordinate amounts of numbers.
It's a good hobby, keep at it:-)
incidentally, "holy joe" by Haysi Fantayzee is a great bouncy song to hardware hack to. I only mention this because I'm listening to it now:-)
/. is not the be all and end all of news, else they wouldn't link to news stories elsewhere. It is the first place I go for news, but hardly the last. And I usually enjoy the discussion, but i'll agree there is alot of crap.
The problem, as far as I see it anyway, is that people take this far too seriously. which really is no different than anything else in life, but still . . . ideally nothing that is said here would really personally affect anyone the way it does (look at any given flamewar). Ideally people would look at good posts, bad posts, offtopic posts and insane posts under the same light. But this is not the case. People feel passionately about the discussion here. While that's good for them (I guess), it's not good for the overall discussion. And gives room for the trolls (not the dumbfucks like the first reply to your post) room to play.
My opinion of this site has not changed in the two years or so i've been reading. If people would just loosen up and stop reacting so vehemently to the "abuses", they would stop, or at least those that would remain would be more productive. I suppose you'd still get first posters and what not, and I certainly wouldn't stop doing that crazy thing I do, but things could get a little better.
my 2 cents anyway. I'll go crawl back under my rock now.
Vapor means stuff that never sees the light of day. I pentium is not vapor because it came out, and lots and lots of people had them (I did). You can debate its usefulness all you want, but you need a different word.
You too? I've fallen out of chairs while playing more times than I'd like to admit. I've been known to flinch watching other people play. One of the most embarassing things in the world (i'm a jittery person to begin with). Almost as bad as chewing on your cheek/tongue as a nervous twitch.
you're talking about something other than the shielded PIs they make for NASA, right? Regardless, it's easy enough to pay any given chip manufacturer to press up a lot. After all, they make digital watch chips now.
I'm even starting to believe the X-Box will hit before this.
for Slashdot to force some posts to be -2 even when moderators score them up, well, it doesn't seem too kosher
I'm not disagreeing with that. The problem is the system's messed a little right now. But the big difference is that they're not misrepresenting it; they're just not acknowledging it. The CyberPatrol etc. deal is that they're claiming to do one thing (blocking porn) and doing another (blocking educationally valuable sites). Quite frankly I don't feel vehemently about either (other than mandatory censoring in libraries) because NO system is perfect.
it's not censorship though. it's only censorship if the posts are automatically unreadable by anyone. True, you need to do a little foolery to read at -2, but you can. It's just as easy to point the finger of hypocracy as it is to support free speech. And I think/. does a good job of providing a forum for free speech, not just preaching it. Hell, it even gives JonKatz a home;-)
Yeah, there are some problems with the moderation system. I've seen cases like you mention where a post is modded up and still in the negatives. But free speech is the right to say what you want; not the right to be heard anyway.
Dreamcast is doing moderately okay. N64 still rocks Japan (the Kirby's adventure game that recently came out has sold more units than ANY PSX2 game). Hell, due to the whole Pokemon thing, N64 is still pretty okay here. Nintendo has officially said that their next system IS using hardware T&L, like the GeForce video card. Microsoft is working with nVida, so they likely will too. PSX2 does not. Dreamcast does not.
That said, the PSX2 is pretty. Not mind blowing, but really pretty. It'll do well. The next nintedo console has the potential to do well. The X-Box . . . well, there certainly is room in the market for it. But I have doubts as to if it will see the light of day. And if it does, it could crash and burn a la 3DO, unless it manages to push out some good titles. It's going to be an interesting couple years.
. . . you just said they both made you useless. You did not assert that your continued usefulness was "good", and I see no evidence that you being useless is "evil". And if not being schooled in a language renders you useless, then I would put to point that said uselessness is not evil at all, but rather good, as that it effectively terminates hours and hours of singletracked narrowminded programming time;-)
Oh yeah, and there is no god. I heard it on FreeNet, where I buy my guns.:-}
Are we now to assume that the source code to virii are the same plane as say, angry adolescent poetry?
Yeah. Both are painful to the ears of any person who does what it's a mockery of for real. Both have the potential to grow into greatness, but not everyone will achieve that. Certainly a virus reaches more people than a crappy poem in the back of a notebook, but a really cleverly written virus could be written by the same person who, when they grow up, writes a major kernel security patch. The problem is, they might NOT grow up. Evidence to the other side of the coin, just listen to the lyrics of any given Smashing Pumpkins song. Put 'em on paper and you'd guess the author was 15.
actually, I have WELL over 100 altoid tins. I've been eating them for years, and I keep thinking I'm going to do SOMETHING useful with the tins . . . about the only thing I've found is they're just the right size to mail dried flowers in (yeah, I'm a sap, what of it?;-)
For the record, I have quite a few penguin mints tins too, but they don't sell them anywhere local around here, so I usually just stick to the altoids.
actually, I had guessed it was you (either you or 80md; I hadn't figured out which). But I was getting a little snippy and needed to explain myself rather than just being pissed off anyway;-)
Oh, I see, your experience was "I, like, once heard of this band. Then I found out they were playing my town! I was like, totally stoked. Bands rock".
Not quite. Let me 'splain. I do a show. The few people who are there are there for the other band. They're so-so on my stuff. Poor reception. I promote myself a little. The people who WOULD like my stuff come to see me. I don't make money off the door (most bands don't), I make money of cds and merchandise. And by being (if only marginally) good.
The fact is, even selling out the local sports stadium, most tours lose money.
Don't believe everything you read. Take the last Pink Floyd tour (a very media-visible event). They "lost money" on the tour if you look at ticket prices. They more than made up on merchandise sales. Then they released a live album which was nearly ALL profit. Fugazi has been doing shows exclusively under $10 their entire career. They exist on t-shirt sales.
Yeah, that's what people get into music for, so that they can "learn business" and spend all their time looking through spreadsheets.
Well, that's what seperates serious musicians from people living the proverbial rock & roll fantasy. Yeah, I don't like doing it. But I do it so I can keep more of the money I make, and thus have more time to spend working on the music. It sucks. And I don't have enough of a return to quit my dayjob yet (else I wouldn't be here!), and I'd prefer it if means of inexpensive promotion, like Napster, weren't dragged out from under my feet, yanno?
Let me guess, you're a Garth Brooks fan, right?
not quite, but thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts, but you're not getting any;-)
Slashdot Mirror
you got java in my c++!!!
you got c++ in my java!!!
it's the longest that I'VE been on-topic and relevant ;-)
Sure. The Slashdot thing (hi osm!) is to talk about Natalie Portman, but as far as I'm concerned, you could be talking about naked marmosets and petrified socks. So long as it generally nods absurdly enough such that people might loosen up a bit. I personally loved the Professional and Mars Attacks!, but Star Wars . . . . *shudders*
;-) And TAG!!!!!!
Oh, and I agree with the constants in caps. Odds are we learned with the same damn books
Yeppers, open source rocks. However, if you don't want the trolls and natalie portman stuff, you need to make sure you undefine them with the GOODSTYLE define. There's a routine in the GOODSTYLE macro that reads:
;-)
Project(attitude)
{
if attitude == TooSerious(
TrollFuriously();
Discuss(Portman);
Unclothe(Portman);
Petrify(Portman);
Eat(Cheese);
)
else
Project(complete)
}
As you see, taking anything too seriously chews up an awful lot of compile and run time.
and TAG, DAMNIT!!!!
try adding this:
//__PROGRAMMING_SKILL_H__ //__PROGRAMMING_SKILL_H__
:-)
#ifndef __PROGRAMMING_SKILL_H__
#include
#include
#define GOODSTYLE
#else
#undef WHINING
#endif
Last I checked FixCode(); was defined in ProgrammingSkill.h but the #undef is VERY important in cases like these. Should compile nicely now
oh, and tagback, you're it!
Sometimes I forget myself. People ask me why I look so tired (I'm up in the day because I have a JOB). My instant thought is maybe they can help me with whatever problem I was working on the night before, so I go into a long winded explaination. About half way through, I see the glazed over faces, and finish with a half-hearted "umm . . . hacking code"
The alternative is when you DO finish something neat, and you're all happy-like and want to show it off. Usually to people who don't care. Being a geek is an odd lifestyle. It's a wonder I have any friends left.
Really interesting to see the way words change. Duh is now in the dictionary. But as far as this debate, it's just one culture (programmers) trying to distance themselves from another (script kiddies) while still maintaining a bit of counter-culture status.
our high school had tv instead of radio. As a music geek, I didn't care, so I got a show on the local college station. I played the most depressing stuff I could find (the show was at 3am sunday mornings). Oddly enough, I got more calls per hour than any other show on the air. Mostly the novelty; no one else in central new york listened to that crap.
alot of fun though. I often miss it.
I don't mean to sound inflamatory, nor do I mean to speak for the community on this one. I ask, as one musician to another, how you can justify your actions. Napster, and other .mp3 trading tools do not really benefit established artists like yourself. That's fine. Everyone knows who Metallica are. No one is going to go into a record store and say "I wonder what these guys sound like". And that's fine; you've earned that right. Who Napster DOES benefit are less established artists. People who are sketchy on one band or another. It would be easy enough to (illegally) grab a few songs, or an entire album by a band you were unsure on. If they only like one or two tracks, then they don't feel as if they've wasted money on the cd. Alot of musicians just want people to buy the cd, and don't care if they sell it back or not, but I, and many other people who are more concerned with the art rather than the economics feel that it would be more important that the people who have the music appreciate it, and hopefully enjoy it. After all, isn't that why art is created? Not for the black figure at the bottom of a bank statement.
.mp3s and selling them off as if it were your legitamate product. But that's not what you're going after; you're just going after the trade. No, you don't get a royalty for every time an .mp3 is played, but you don't get one for every time someone dubs a tape for a friend, which though illegal, it happens, and is passively accepted behaviour. Again, that can only be a positive thing as far as your art is concerned: someone who didn't have the disposable income to buy the cd now CAN appreciate your art, while those with the income can listen to decide if they really want it. Don't tell me that you've never sold a cd because someone had a dubbed copy and liked it. That's the way the music industry works.
The potential hazzard is people packaging the
With this lawsuit, you're not attacking piracy, or defending musicians' rights. You're attacking musicians. You're hurting less established acts by taking action against a protocol for easy exchange of their art. As you learned when you started, it's not easy. Are you angry that modern acts DO have these tools that you didn't have when you were starting? Or are you trying to stop newer acts from getting big and taking away from your sales? Because like it or not, that's what's happening. Leaving it alone wouldn't really hurt you, but taking it away definitely hurts us.
Sorry for being so longwinded, and while I doubt this question will pass, I really hope that it finds the eyes of the band.
other than the gratuitious "imagine a beowulf cluster" comment . . .
:-)
:-)
in actuallity, you'd need a good dozen of these before a cluster is really effective, particularly beowulf-style. Agreed, this is a pretty cost-efficient way of doing it (going for about the price of an old 486, and with a little more muscle. That and you'd have to alter all your code to work with a cluster system, so the applications you'd run on it would be completely different. So before dropping the cash, you really need to decide what you want to do with it, not just to say you have a cluster (but if you have the spare disposable income, rock on with your bad self! Or give some to me).
If you're looking at two boxes (the iOpeners have really nice monitors, I agree), a better way to do it might be to network the boxes with a REALLY fast card, and convince the system it's really one SMP box instead of two. That way you can still tweak code, but run normal applications on it if you want. Then you can do something other than crunch inordinate amounts of numbers.
It's a good hobby, keep at it
incidentally, "holy joe" by Haysi Fantayzee is a great bouncy song to hardware hack to. I only mention this because I'm listening to it now
/. is not the be all and end all of news, else they wouldn't link to news stories elsewhere. It is the first place I go for news, but hardly the last. And I usually enjoy the discussion, but i'll agree there is alot of crap.
The problem, as far as I see it anyway, is that people take this far too seriously. which really is no different than anything else in life, but still . . . ideally nothing that is said here would really personally affect anyone the way it does (look at any given flamewar). Ideally people would look at good posts, bad posts, offtopic posts and insane posts under the same light. But this is not the case. People feel passionately about the discussion here. While that's good for them (I guess), it's not good for the overall discussion. And gives room for the trolls (not the dumbfucks like the first reply to your post) room to play.
My opinion of this site has not changed in the two years or so i've been reading. If people would just loosen up and stop reacting so vehemently to the "abuses", they would stop, or at least those that would remain would be more productive. I suppose you'd still get first posters and what not, and I certainly wouldn't stop doing that crazy thing I do, but things could get a little better.
my 2 cents anyway. I'll go crawl back under my rock now.
Vapor means stuff that never sees the light of day. I pentium is not vapor because it came out, and lots and lots of people had them (I did). You can debate its usefulness all you want, but you need a different word.
You too? I've fallen out of chairs while playing more times than I'd like to admit. I've been known to flinch watching other people play. One of the most embarassing things in the world (i'm a jittery person to begin with). Almost as bad as chewing on your cheek/tongue as a nervous twitch.
you're talking about something other than the shielded PIs they make for NASA, right? Regardless, it's easy enough to pay any given chip manufacturer to press up a lot. After all, they make digital watch chips now.
I'm even starting to believe the X-Box will hit before this.
for Slashdot to force some posts to be -2 even when moderators score them up, well, it doesn't seem too kosher
I'm not disagreeing with that. The problem is the system's messed a little right now. But the big difference is that they're not misrepresenting it; they're just not acknowledging it. The CyberPatrol etc. deal is that they're claiming to do one thing (blocking porn) and doing another (blocking educationally valuable sites). Quite frankly I don't feel vehemently about either (other than mandatory censoring in libraries) because NO system is perfect.
Perhaps the disclaimer is the right way to go.
. . . we're BOTH actually ON TOPIC?!?!?!? What the hell is up with that!!!
;-)
next thing you know I'll get a significant amount of non+1funny karma. *shudders*
it's not censorship though. it's only censorship if the posts are automatically unreadable by anyone. True, you need to do a little foolery to read at -2, but you can. It's just as easy to point the finger of hypocracy as it is to support free speech. And I think /. does a good job of providing a forum for free speech, not just preaching it. Hell, it even gives JonKatz a home ;-)
Yeah, there are some problems with the moderation system. I've seen cases like you mention where a post is modded up and still in the negatives. But free speech is the right to say what you want; not the right to be heard anyway.
Dreamcast is doing moderately okay. N64 still rocks Japan (the Kirby's adventure game that recently came out has sold more units than ANY PSX2 game). Hell, due to the whole Pokemon thing, N64 is still pretty okay here. Nintendo has officially said that their next system IS using hardware T&L, like the GeForce video card. Microsoft is working with nVida, so they likely will too. PSX2 does not. Dreamcast does not.
That said, the PSX2 is pretty. Not mind blowing, but really pretty. It'll do well. The next nintedo console has the potential to do well. The X-Box . . . well, there certainly is room in the market for it. But I have doubts as to if it will see the light of day. And if it does, it could crash and burn a la 3DO, unless it manages to push out some good titles. It's going to be an interesting couple years.
well, it certainly informed everyone a little something about the person who wrote it :-)
. . . you just said they both made you useless. You did not assert that your continued usefulness was "good", and I see no evidence that you being useless is "evil". And if not being schooled in a language renders you useless, then I would put to point that said uselessness is not evil at all, but rather good, as that it effectively terminates hours and hours of singletracked narrowminded programming time ;-)
:-}
Oh yeah, and there is no god. I heard it on FreeNet, where I buy my guns.
Are we now to assume that the source code to virii are the same plane as say, angry adolescent poetry?
Yeah. Both are painful to the ears of any person who does what it's a mockery of for real. Both have the potential to grow into greatness, but not everyone will achieve that. Certainly a virus reaches more people than a crappy poem in the back of a notebook, but a really cleverly written virus could be written by the same person who, when they grow up, writes a major kernel security patch. The problem is, they might NOT grow up. Evidence to the other side of the coin, just listen to the lyrics of any given Smashing Pumpkins song. Put 'em on paper and you'd guess the author was 15.
actually, I have WELL over 100 altoid tins. I've been eating them for years, and I keep thinking I'm going to do SOMETHING useful with the tins . . . about the only thing I've found is they're just the right size to mail dried flowers in (yeah, I'm a sap, what of it? ;-)
For the record, I have quite a few penguin mints tins too, but they don't sell them anywhere local around here, so I usually just stick to the altoids.
actually, I had guessed it was you (either you or 80md; I hadn't figured out which). But I was getting a little snippy and needed to explain myself rather than just being pissed off anyway ;-)
Fugazi have never sold t-shirts in their 12-year history.
;-)
Odd. I have three of them. All of them purchased at shows. Just because it SAYS "this is not a fugazi t-shirt" on it . . .
Oh, I see, your experience was "I, like, once heard of this band. Then I found out they were playing my town! I was like, totally stoked. Bands rock".
;-)
Not quite. Let me 'splain. I do a show. The few people who are there are there for the other band. They're so-so on my stuff. Poor reception. I promote myself a little. The people who WOULD like my stuff come to see me. I don't make money off the door (most bands don't), I make money of cds and merchandise. And by being (if only marginally) good.
The fact is, even selling out the local sports stadium, most tours lose money.
Don't believe everything you read. Take the last Pink Floyd tour (a very media-visible event). They "lost money" on the tour if you look at ticket prices. They more than made up on merchandise sales. Then they released a live album which was nearly ALL profit. Fugazi has been doing shows exclusively under $10 their entire career. They exist on t-shirt sales.
Yeah, that's what people get into music for, so that they can "learn business" and spend all their time looking through spreadsheets.
Well, that's what seperates serious musicians from people living the proverbial rock & roll fantasy. Yeah, I don't like doing it. But I do it so I can keep more of the money I make, and thus have more time to spend working on the music. It sucks. And I don't have enough of a return to quit my dayjob yet (else I wouldn't be here!), and I'd prefer it if means of inexpensive promotion, like Napster, weren't dragged out from under my feet, yanno?
Let me guess, you're a Garth Brooks fan, right?
not quite, but thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts, but you're not getting any