Actually, as a guitarist, quite often they ARE tapped (hammerons, etc). And cellos are bowed (and there's something really sexy about the cello, so something must be said for that . ..).
I agree that the implications (while nothing new, particularly not to sci-fi readers/writers) are scary. But by rising to the top of the food chain and pandering to the lowest common denominator, we've eliminated natural selection. Maybe that's what makes us human. Maybe not. I'm not qualified to say. But what I CAN say is that thousands of years ago those with the genes that more adapted to the environment survived. Those who didn't died out. Pretty simple. You see residual traits from this in people today (I'm not going to go off on an evolution rant . . . today (-;).
So natural selection is out. Survival is not necessarily an issue. However, that cannot stop evolution. If it does, then we devolve (again, I'll skip out on supporting this, because it's lenghty and not necessarily relevant). So how can evolution continue if nature isn't choosing the genes? It's obvious that WE start choosing the genes. I'm not saying we'll do it right. Nor am I saying we necessarily should. But we WILL. yet another thing about the universe I don't like but accept.
And yes, I'm "smart" enough to realize with my genetic code, I'd never make the cut.
All the posts seem to be about the article being submitted twice, not the article itself. Come on guys, get a life. Yeah, the Slashdot crew goofed again. But they usually fix it, and everyone noticed. I read discussions because I want to see what people think about the article, not what they think about Hemos' left sock. Move on. The fact that you took the time to post about THAT . . . (I'm taking the time because this happens too often, and it bothers me a little). I mean, I KNOW I don't have a life, but . . . .
Guess I just up the threshold.
And incidentally, this IS great. I'll likely pick up Heavy Gear II. But I'm STILL waiting for that Drakan port so I can re-format my Win98 partition . . .;-)
PORNO SPAM!!!! Once the average 14 year-old cracker gets a new ISP so that (s)he can gain some sort of status with funky ASCII characters instead of letters, they realize that real ISPs BLOCK Spam (or try thier darnedest). Unwilling to socially interact and find a real significant other, they need access to the latest greatest porno spam, fueled by a desire for more "creative" uses of the word cum instead of come. The solution? Gain access to the greatest repository for porno links in the world . . . AOL accounts!
Not to sound bitter or anything. I rarely leave the house myself;-) But certain things I've grown out of . . .
I've long since used florescent light bulbs in my music by putting a contact microphone on it and regulating the current to control the vibrations, as well as some other modifications and sound processing. I've never really noticed LCD hum before (on laptops I always thought the noise was completely an idling hard drive; shows you what I know!!!), but I think I could work with this.
A small array of LCD screens, each with it's own regulators and controls, each one miced individually, and send through processors. Would make a hell of a live show, just due to the fact that the INSTRUMENT could be displaying images at the same time. Though the light bulb show looks pretty cool too because all you see is blinding light and hear waves of abstract sound. But I digress; I'm going to work with this (if and when I have time). Anybody want to colaborate/contribute design/construction???;-)
They are. As of now, most PSX2 games are being developed on Linux, and I hear the PSX2 development box is Linux based. But as for the actual end-user box, who knows. The rumor is it's going to be Linux based, but that could be just to score geek interest above all the recent WinCE/video game "achievements".
Source of rumor: a good friend owns a video game store, and is pretty in on the industry. Take that for what it's worth.
The K7 is kicking the P-III on every benchmark I've seen (no surprise, it's a next generation chip), but AMD has plans for a 1ghz chip by next year (so the rumor mill says). I've seen K7 systems for $1200 . . . if people get over the must-have-intel-zombieisim, AMD could HAVE the home market. Even the K6-3 (though lacking in floating point processing so the 3d rendering was a little slower) is worlds above Intel's Celery throw-away chips.
. . . how long before any of us can afford it! According to the website, there are a few models (including the credit card sized storage {-:) and the drive that they "will be developing in the next 12 months". Then of course, you need some time for the market to catch on before they start shipping software on it (look how many DVD-ROMS there are out there . . . but soon, they'll increase share and the CD-ROM will go the way of the floppy (which I still use)).
Sigh. [gazing whistfully at the space where my RAID-5 array should be]
Distro wars are so stupid. I mean, I'm proud and happy with what I use, and I went through a lot to get to it. But I'm not about to mock anyone else's choice. People are different.
I will agree to some degree that there are a LOT of "noble hacker" type geeks out there. I like to think that I'm fairly helpful when I'm asked, and when I'm stuck, I know a few more knowledgeable people who I can turn to for helpful advice. But that's not the whole picture. I think a good portion of what I would consider geeks and hackers are very pretentious and insecure (I myself fall prey to this on MORE than a few occasions). For example, let's look at the pure HATRED shown for nearly every column you publish . . . I don't agree with all of your points, and sometimes you're not the most informed, but you know that, and the columns are well written. The only reason I can see for so many consistant blatant attacks is jealousy. I mean, what geek WOULDN'T want to be read by the rest of the community.
Unfortunately, there is a bit of exclusivity with Linux, or with any Unix. It's not a dummy level OS, and though there are many of us bent on achieving global domination and letting EVERYONE run a non-MS-OS, there are just as many that don't want the masses into thier little world. Linux is "thiers", as are geeky films or music or whatever. There are those that gravitated to geekdom as a way of rebelling from those around them, and they'll defend thier safety to the proverbial death. If you listen to Stereolab because you don't want to be associated with those who listen to the Spice Girls, would you be likely to expose them to your music? Likely not.
Again, I don't think there is any one definition of geek. As you said, geeks aren't really concerned about what is or isn't geek. But by that, there can be no "real geek". There are respectable geeks, and there are assholes. Just like in any other community.
Saturday, 11:10 a.m. This is when most computer savvy people get to work, right? Are you kidding?!?! I try not to even get out of BED before 2 on a Saturday!!!
I went through a phase in high school where a friend of mine and I would constantly come up with ways to take over the world (didn't we all?). One of the ideas that we came up with was a little computer that calculated relative entertainment. The thought was this: when you're doing something stupid, and something marginally entertaining happens, you are far more entertained than had it happened when you were doing something already enthralling. We even had an equation. Anyway, we thought (bear in mind, this IS high school thinking) that we could create a portable computer to calculate this (at the time inspired by Sharp's Wizard organizer), and rate on a scale of 0 to 1 how much the average person would enjoy the activity. People would think it's funny at first (gizmos are neat), and eventually, they'd come to depend on them, as kids eventually became dependent on thier tamagochis. Then we could subtley manipulate opinion. We'd moderate (through a Hitchhiker's Guide-esq network) ourselves and our activities up, so eventually everyone would love us and everything we do, controlling popular opinion and thus the world. Of course it's silly, but the idea was there.
Enter the idea of Clotho (and I won't nitpick, but the Fates were not gods . . . they were more than that and FAR from minor players). It filters out what you don't need to know. It would have to be customizable (new linux kernels are much more important to me than Kansas crop reports), but you're still filtering out information. For the right amount of money, anything is compromised. Say McDonalds bribes the maintainers of Clotho.org into moderating more stories about their products as compared to Taco Bell. And it would happen. Joe Average doesn't get the newest Taco Bell news, and maybe he really DOES like the Bell more, but he gets exposed to more adverts from McDonalds. Advertising works; it's designed to work psychologically, and it hits on levels we aren't aware of. So McDonalds takes over the fast food market more than before.
That's just one scenario. Regulating importance of issues is only a half step away from regulating opinions. And once you start doing that, that's where all the apocalyptic future stories come from. Particularly if you're letting a machine do it.
Take music. I listen to (and write) experimental music. But if it's not already selling 10 billion copies per CD (when was the last time you saw Aube on the billboard charts?), then it's not important news when a new album is released. But the next Spice Girls album is, so that's the music news you'll hear. The problem with noise as it stands is that many people who MAY like it don't get exposed to it and never find out. If this is regulated, moreover if people are DEPENDING on this regulation, then even less people will find it.
So what then? This model suggests filtering the information, but the goal of computers and the digital age is to expand information. I want to be able to read about more, not less. I don't want anything, including Slashdot (hint hint, guys. Moderate comments, but don't start moderating stories) telling me what's important or relevant to me, even if I can control those filters. I want to see news that ISN'T relevant, because I may learn something there. I want to keep expanding my horizons, not limiting them. And that's why Slashdot works. I'm exposed to headlines of stories that I might not find on my own. I can skim them, read the little synopsis, and learn more about my world. Yeah, the stories are filtered, but this isn't my only information source. There can NEVER be only one;-)
Seriously though, you're right; it rarely happens. But I don't want it to. I don't want people to know where I live unless I tell them. I don't want people to call me unless I give them my phone number. I don't even want them e-mailing me unless I post my address (you'll note mine here dumps to a Mailcity account. If that fills with spam or death threats (I'm not well liked )-:) then I'll still be able to read my important mail. Privacy is measured in levels of trust.
Now, don't get me wrong. It's been about 8 years since I've done anything remotely like cracking. But I could still get your home address with your IP if I really wanted it. But I grew out of that phase.
Oh, and I have a dynamic IP here at work, so . . .
Ah. Makes sense. However, I have to develop for 4.0 because that's what most of my audience is using. I have 5.0 at home, but I rarely touch it since most of my home development is done in Linux on Netskink 4.61, then I test at work and tweak as necessary. I might have touched 5.0 all of 3 times;-)
I'll agree with you that they are confusing the terms a little (not being up on every nuance of the FSF's current standpoint . . . but who is?!?), but the point they were trying to make still holds. Examine the "free speech, not free beer" statement we're all familiar with (particularly those of us who'd rather have free vodka).
Free beer, as in the COST of the beer is nothing. You want beer, you take beer, you do not exchange any goods and services for beer. This is what they were saying corporations were scared of by "free software". Though there is a TON of software that is free in this sense, that's not exactly the point. And corporate philosophy suggests that this is a Bad Idea(tm).
Free speech. There is no restrictions on what you say, or what you use your words for. Apply that concept to software. You can do what you want to the proggie, for whatever use. Take a simple example using IE on a Windows box. Say you want to set your default HTML editor to Notepad. You can't. And not only do you not have the option, you can't crack open the code and hack a few lines out so that you can. You are not free to do anything you want to. Whereas with Netskink, though it's packaged with composer, there is an option to set your default editor to whatever you want (whether it's a valid editor or not!). In that sense, Netskink is more FREE than Internet Exploiter.
Yeah, the article may be using "free software" and "open source" interchangably (and I agree that they shouldn't be), but the point still holds, and in the context it still makes sense.
Actually, this is standard practice now. I recently got into a car accident with myself, but it was really my fault, so I sued me. Sure, my driver's licence is chock full of red marks, but the money comes out of the insurance company's pocket anyway. And the returns are higher than my increased insurance premium, so I take home a little at the end of the day. I'm suing myself for abuse next;-)
Both of these nations have recently (was it a year and a half ago?) aquired nuclear weapons capability. Not to sound paranoid or anything, but if there were ANY two nations I'd rather not see fooling around, it'd be these two.
This "cyberwar" reads like mild propoganda and cracking. No biggie. We're not talking major industry and government servers hit with DOS attacks or anything. But rather this is a prelude. Let's hope we DON'T see anything more serious than this . . . I don't want to be around when push comes to shove comes to pushing red buttons.
Yet another celebration!!!
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I'm sure we all remember the recent 30 year mark for the internet (how could I drink that much and not get hungover? Not that I'm COMPLAINING, mind you . . . (-;), so a little quick math shows that the net is 3.75 times as old as Linux. We've (not me personally, I'm afraid) been hacking for more than a quarter of the time the net has been in existance. Specifically 26.63142% Is there any significance to this? Yep. I'm bored and I don't want to work any longer, and obviously you are in a similar position or you wouldn't have read this entire post!!! hehehehehe . . .
Anyway, geek party again tonight! Black Russians all around! (Finlandia vodka though . . . . the closest I can think of to being appropriate!)
Well, humans often give dolphins fish for free. I have to buy fish. Take away the equal opportunity for the two species to catch fish (and the dolphin is obviously the advantaged predator in that respect), then it looks like in at least one respect an aquatic based mammal seems to be in control;-)
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I'm not planning on reproducing anyway. Anyone who knows me would agree that it's a good idea ;-)
Actually, as a guitarist, quite often they ARE tapped (hammerons, etc). And cellos are bowed (and there's something really sexy about the cello, so something must be said for that . . .).
I agree that the implications (while nothing new, particularly not to sci-fi readers/writers) are scary. But by rising to the top of the food chain and pandering to the lowest common denominator, we've eliminated natural selection. Maybe that's what makes us human. Maybe not. I'm not qualified to say. But what I CAN say is that thousands of years ago those with the genes that more adapted to the environment survived. Those who didn't died out. Pretty simple. You see residual traits from this in people today (I'm not going to go off on an evolution rant . . . today (-;).
So natural selection is out. Survival is not necessarily an issue. However, that cannot stop evolution. If it does, then we devolve (again, I'll skip out on supporting this, because it's lenghty and not necessarily relevant). So how can evolution continue if nature isn't choosing the genes? It's obvious that WE start choosing the genes. I'm not saying we'll do it right. Nor am I saying we necessarily should. But we WILL. yet another thing about the universe I don't like but accept.
And yes, I'm "smart" enough to realize with my genetic code, I'd never make the cut.
All the posts seem to be about the article being submitted twice, not the article itself. Come on guys, get a life. Yeah, the Slashdot crew goofed again. But they usually fix it, and everyone noticed. I read discussions because I want to see what people think about the article, not what they think about Hemos' left sock. Move on. The fact that you took the time to post about THAT . . . (I'm taking the time because this happens too often, and it bothers me a little). I mean, I KNOW I don't have a life, but . . . .
;-)
Guess I just up the threshold.
And incidentally, this IS great. I'll likely pick up Heavy Gear II. But I'm STILL waiting for that Drakan port so I can re-format my Win98 partition . . .
PORNO SPAM!!!! Once the average 14 year-old cracker gets a new ISP so that (s)he can gain some sort of status with funky ASCII characters instead of letters, they realize that real ISPs BLOCK Spam (or try thier darnedest). Unwilling to socially interact and find a real significant other, they need access to the latest greatest porno spam, fueled by a desire for more "creative" uses of the word cum instead of come. The solution? Gain access to the greatest repository for porno links in the world . . . AOL accounts!
;-) But certain things I've grown out of . . .
Not to sound bitter or anything. I rarely leave the house myself
Carnegie Mellon University here in Pittsburgh PA is REALLY fantastic for computer stuff . . . however, there are two drawbacks:
a) it's mighty spendy.
b) you have to live in Pittsburgh.
But you'll certainly know your proverbial shit.
I've long since used florescent light bulbs in my music by putting a contact microphone on it and regulating the current to control the vibrations, as well as some other modifications and sound processing. I've never really noticed LCD hum before (on laptops I always thought the noise was completely an idling hard drive; shows you what I know!!!), but I think I could work with this.
;-)
A small array of LCD screens, each with it's own regulators and controls, each one miced individually, and send through processors. Would make a hell of a live show, just due to the fact that the INSTRUMENT could be displaying images at the same time. Though the light bulb show looks pretty cool too because all you see is blinding light and hear waves of abstract sound. But I digress; I'm going to work with this (if and when I have time). Anybody want to colaborate/contribute design/construction???
They are. As of now, most PSX2 games are being developed on Linux, and I hear the PSX2 development box is Linux based. But as for the actual end-user box, who knows. The rumor is it's going to be Linux based, but that could be just to score geek interest above all the recent WinCE/video game "achievements".
Source of rumor: a good friend owns a video game store, and is pretty in on the industry. Take that for what it's worth.
Oh, was that you? Sorry about that, but don't steal gold from a fighter mage with eyes that change color ;-)
The K7 is kicking the P-III on every benchmark I've seen (no surprise, it's a next generation chip), but AMD has plans for a 1ghz chip by next year (so the rumor mill says). I've seen K7 systems for $1200 . . . if people get over the must-have-intel-zombieisim, AMD could HAVE the home market. Even the K6-3 (though lacking in floating point processing so the 3d rendering was a little slower) is worlds above Intel's Celery throw-away chips.
May the gods of marketing be kind.
. . . how long before any of us can afford it! According to the website, there are a few models (including the credit card sized storage {-:) and the drive that they "will be developing in the next 12 months". Then of course, you need some time for the market to catch on before they start shipping software on it (look how many DVD-ROMS there are out there . . . but soon, they'll increase share and the CD-ROM will go the way of the floppy (which I still use)).
Sigh. [gazing whistfully at the space where my RAID-5 array should be]
Distro wars are so stupid. I mean, I'm proud and happy with what I use, and I went through a lot to get to it. But I'm not about to mock anyone else's choice. People are different.
;-)
Ironically, I went from RH 5.1 to SuSE 6.1
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I will agree to some degree that there are a LOT of "noble hacker" type geeks out there. I like to think that I'm fairly helpful when I'm asked, and when I'm stuck, I know a few more knowledgeable people who I can turn to for helpful advice. But that's not the whole picture. I think a good portion of what I would consider geeks and hackers are very pretentious and insecure (I myself fall prey to this on MORE than a few occasions). For example, let's look at the pure HATRED shown for nearly every column you publish . . . I don't agree with all of your points, and sometimes you're not the most informed, but you know that, and the columns are well written. The only reason I can see for so many consistant blatant attacks is jealousy. I mean, what geek WOULDN'T want to be read by the rest of the community.
Unfortunately, there is a bit of exclusivity with Linux, or with any Unix. It's not a dummy level OS, and though there are many of us bent on achieving global domination and letting EVERYONE run a non-MS-OS, there are just as many that don't want the masses into thier little world. Linux is "thiers", as are geeky films or music or whatever. There are those that gravitated to geekdom as a way of rebelling from those around them, and they'll defend thier safety to the proverbial death. If you listen to Stereolab because you don't want to be associated with those who listen to the Spice Girls, would you be likely to expose them to your music? Likely not.
Again, I don't think there is any one definition of geek. As you said, geeks aren't really concerned about what is or isn't geek. But by that, there can be no "real geek". There are respectable geeks, and there are assholes. Just like in any other community.
Just my $.02. I'll go back to sleep now ==
Mwahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Okay, I'll go back to bed now ;-)
Saturday, 11:10 a.m. This is when most computer savvy people get to work, right? Are you kidding?!?! I try not to even get out of BED before 2 on a Saturday!!!
I went through a phase in high school where a friend of mine and I would constantly come up with ways to take over the world (didn't we all?). One of the ideas that we came up with was a little computer that calculated relative entertainment. The thought was this: when you're doing something stupid, and something marginally entertaining happens, you are far more entertained than had it happened when you were doing something already enthralling. We even had an equation. Anyway, we thought (bear in mind, this IS high school thinking) that we could create a portable computer to calculate this (at the time inspired by Sharp's Wizard organizer), and rate on a scale of 0 to 1 how much the average person would enjoy the activity. People would think it's funny at first (gizmos are neat), and eventually, they'd come to depend on them, as kids eventually became dependent on thier tamagochis. Then we could subtley manipulate opinion. We'd moderate (through a Hitchhiker's Guide-esq network) ourselves and our activities up, so eventually everyone would love us and everything we do, controlling popular opinion and thus the world. Of course it's silly, but the idea was there.
;-)
Enter the idea of Clotho (and I won't nitpick, but the Fates were not gods . . . they were more than that and FAR from minor players). It filters out what you don't need to know. It would have to be customizable (new linux kernels are much more important to me than Kansas crop reports), but you're still filtering out information. For the right amount of money, anything is compromised. Say McDonalds bribes the maintainers of Clotho.org into moderating more stories about their products as compared to Taco Bell. And it would happen. Joe Average doesn't get the newest Taco Bell news, and maybe he really DOES like the Bell more, but he gets exposed to more adverts from McDonalds. Advertising works; it's designed to work psychologically, and it hits on levels we aren't aware of. So McDonalds takes over the fast food market more than before.
That's just one scenario. Regulating importance of issues is only a half step away from regulating opinions. And once you start doing that, that's where all the apocalyptic future stories come from. Particularly if you're letting a machine do it.
Take music. I listen to (and write) experimental music. But if it's not already selling 10 billion copies per CD (when was the last time you saw Aube on the billboard charts?), then it's not important news when a new album is released. But the next Spice Girls album is, so that's the music news you'll hear. The problem with noise as it stands is that many people who MAY like it don't get exposed to it and never find out. If this is regulated, moreover if people are DEPENDING on this regulation, then even less people will find it.
So what then? This model suggests filtering the information, but the goal of computers and the digital age is to expand information. I want to be able to read about more, not less. I don't want anything, including Slashdot (hint hint, guys. Moderate comments, but don't start moderating stories) telling me what's important or relevant to me, even if I can control those filters. I want to see news that ISN'T relevant, because I may learn something there. I want to keep expanding my horizons, not limiting them. And that's why Slashdot works. I'm exposed to headlines of stories that I might not find on my own. I can skim them, read the little synopsis, and learn more about my world. Yeah, the stories are filtered, but this isn't my only information source. There can NEVER be only one
Okay, so I'll drop by for dinner next Thursday ;-)
Seriously though, you're right; it rarely happens. But I don't want it to. I don't want people to know where I live unless I tell them. I don't want people to call me unless I give them my phone number. I don't even want them e-mailing me unless I post my address (you'll note mine here dumps to a Mailcity account. If that fills with spam or death threats (I'm not well liked )-:) then I'll still be able to read my important mail. Privacy is measured in levels of trust.
Now, don't get me wrong. It's been about 8 years since I've done anything remotely like cracking. But I could still get your home address with your IP if I really wanted it. But I grew out of that phase.
Oh, and I have a dynamic IP here at work, so . . .
Ah. Makes sense. However, I have to develop for 4.0 because that's what most of my audience is using. I have 5.0 at home, but I rarely touch it since most of my home development is done in Linux on Netskink 4.61, then I test at work and tweak as necessary. I might have touched 5.0 all of 3 times ;-)
I'll agree with you that they are confusing the terms a little (not being up on every nuance of the FSF's current standpoint . . . but who is?!?), but the point they were trying to make still holds. Examine the "free speech, not free beer" statement we're all familiar with (particularly those of us who'd rather have free vodka).
Free beer, as in the COST of the beer is nothing. You want beer, you take beer, you do not exchange any goods and services for beer. This is what they were saying corporations were scared of by "free software". Though there is a TON of software that is free in this sense, that's not exactly the point. And corporate philosophy suggests that this is a Bad Idea(tm).
Free speech. There is no restrictions on what you say, or what you use your words for. Apply that concept to software. You can do what you want to the proggie, for whatever use. Take a simple example using IE on a Windows box. Say you want to set your default HTML editor to Notepad. You can't. And not only do you not have the option, you can't crack open the code and hack a few lines out so that you can. You are not free to do anything you want to. Whereas with Netskink, though it's packaged with composer, there is an option to set your default editor to whatever you want (whether it's a valid editor or not!). In that sense, Netskink is more FREE than Internet Exploiter.
Yeah, the article may be using "free software" and "open source" interchangably (and I agree that they shouldn't be), but the point still holds, and in the context it still makes sense.
Actually, this is standard practice now. I recently got into a car accident with myself, but it was really my fault, so I sued me. Sure, my driver's licence is chock full of red marks, but the money comes out of the insurance company's pocket anyway. And the returns are higher than my increased insurance premium, so I take home a little at the end of the day. I'm suing myself for abuse next ;-)
Ah, the joys of MPD.
Okay, so everyone knows what to get me for my birthday next year (Aug 22nd . . . you all missed it this year)
:-)
And I don't mind if each of you only chip in a nickel towards the purchase; it's the thought that counts, really
Both of these nations have recently (was it a year and a half ago?) aquired nuclear weapons capability. Not to sound paranoid or anything, but if there were ANY two nations I'd rather not see fooling around, it'd be these two.
This "cyberwar" reads like mild propoganda and cracking. No biggie. We're not talking major industry and government servers hit with DOS attacks or anything. But rather this is a prelude. Let's hope we DON'T see anything more serious than this . . . I don't want to be around when push comes to shove comes to pushing red buttons.
I'm sure we all remember the recent 30 year mark for the internet (how could I drink that much and not get hungover? Not that I'm COMPLAINING, mind you . . . (-;), so a little quick math shows that the net is 3.75 times as old as Linux. We've (not me personally, I'm afraid) been hacking for more than a quarter of the time the net has been in existance. Specifically 26.63142% Is there any significance to this? Yep. I'm bored and I don't want to work any longer, and obviously you are in a similar position or you wouldn't have read this entire post!!! hehehehehe . . .
Anyway, geek party again tonight! Black Russians all around! (Finlandia vodka though . . . . the closest I can think of to being appropriate!)
Segfault is over here. You seem to have gotten lost.
Well, humans often give dolphins fish for free. I have to buy fish. Take away the equal opportunity for the two species to catch fish (and the dolphin is obviously the advantaged predator in that respect), then it looks like in at least one respect an aquatic based mammal seems to be in control ;-)