From the page I've scanned (not read) numerous times:
Binary packages are extracted in/, include all file paths from the root in your archive, e.g.:
So yes, deep down inside a cygwin package is a tarball you extract from the root. As I mentioned, I don't know how dependencies are tracked, but I'm fairly confident they're *not* in the package itself, which you confirmed.
Maybe I didn't say it the way you wanted it said, and maybe how I said it reveals something about it you'd prefer not to see, but I fail to see how what I've said is wrong enough to matter. It's not like I was trying to give a how-to guide to build cygwin packages. Nope, instead I was comparing them to RPMs, and none of the corrections you've made change my post in the slightest.
When it's 20F here most people aren't even wearing hats and mittens yet, let alone warming their car before they start to drive... We do that about the time it hits 0F.
Wow, talk about different worlds. When its 20F here most people don't even leave their houses. Of course, they're still not wearing clothes because they'll probably stay home from work and screw, but you get the idea.
There's nothing to be concerned about. We'll just torpedo the dikes in the Netherlands, and that should balance out the sea level problem nicely. (If that doesn't work, we'll attach a few blimps to New Orleans and raise it up out of the water)
But, we couldn't just let a bunch of really great jokes fall into disuse, so they became Blonde jokes.
The problem is that when they were nigger jokes and then later polish jokes, they didn't spawn any lame jokes, they just spawned more of the same type of joke. When they became Blonde jokes they spawned Dumb Man jokes, because of course every dumb blonde is a woman. The Dumb Man spawned another type of joke, I forget what, so many of us are trying to rollback the change from Polish->Dumb Blonde, hoping we'll be able to morph it into something else.
In any case, after the Poles get the ice shelf, I'm sure they can sell it to Texas...
[dave@davefancella Projects]$ gcc -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer elflbl.c -o elflbl elflbl.c: In function `scan_mm_start': elflbl.c:425: error: storage size of 'l' isn't known elflbl.c: In function `check_vma_flags': elflbl.c:545: error: label at end of compound statement elflbl.c: In function `scan_mm_start': elflbl.c:425: error: storage size of `l' isn't known [dave@davefancella Projects]$ cat/proc/version Linux version 2.6.8.1-12mdk (quintela@n5.mandrakesoft.com) (gcc version 3.4.1 (Mandrakelinux (Alpha 3.4.1-3mdk)) #1 Fri Oct 1 12:53:41 CEST 2004
You must intend to point the laser at an aircraft in order to be imprisoned for pointing a laser at an aircraft.
While you're right, mostly, this part isn't entirely accurate. It may be possible to be imprisoned for pointing a laser at an aircraft even if that's not your intent. Let's work by analogy, because that's always fun.:)
Say you intend to make a left turn and you don't intend to hurt anybody. But you don't look as closely as you could have and you maul some old lady pushing her grandchild around in a stroller, killing them both. You're guilty as sin of killing the old lady and her granchild, regardless of what your intent is.
When your defense attorney proves you didn't mean to do it, you get a lesser sentence.
So, now you're out of jail and you're pointing your laser pointer around in the sky to show your daughter all the beautiful stars. You don't intend to blind the pilot of the airliner making it's final approach causing the subsequent plane crash and the death of 200+ passengers. But you're still guilty as sin of doing it.
You're fucked, dude. Shouldn't have run over the old lady.
Man, I hate driving at night for that reason. I always thought it was just me, that my eyes were particularly sensitive to light. (I still think so, actually, for various unrelated reasons) I flash people who have their low beams on because their low beams are really bright. Hmmm.
I've always thought the dangers of laser pointers were blown out of proportion by the mass media, but I've never thought laser pointers were perfectly safe.:)
The guy should be in trouble for it, and they should be able to use pre-PATRIOT laws to get him. But we need to recognize something else going on here.
Prosecutors always go for the jugular, and they rarely get it. If the man's guilty, the judge decides the sentence (or the jury in some places, I think). Throughout the trial, their might be some exchanges to reduce the charges, and the sentence is not likely to be the maximum penalty available (unless he's already got a serious criminal record). The way the system works, if a prosecutor doesn't go for the maximum charge/penalty, he loses the case before it even starts.
So, yeah, the PATRIOT act shouldn't be applied here, but it's not an abuse of the PATRIOT act that's the cause, rather it's the way the system works. Fix the system. (Yeah, we need to get rid of the patriot act, but that's not the problem here)
I've stared straight into the sun long enough to have a ten minute afterimage. I've stared straight into a laser long enough to see the kinda neat pattern that's inside the beam. Other than the afterimage (which wasn't blinding and did go away) I've never been blinded
I built my guitar stand out of scrap exhaust pipes, painted it, and so forth. I did all the initial welding with the mig welder, went back over it with the torch. Didn't wear a mask at all. During the mig welding I watched closely to see the first part of the bead start, then shut my eyes tightly.
After I got home from work, I couldn't see for about 30 hours. Literally, couldn't see. Called in to work and so forth, had to wear sunglasses for the remaining light part of the day.
A few days later, grabbed the torch and rewelded a number of parts that weren't welded correctly. Wore a mask.
It's a nice guitar stand. I have one of those lightning-bolt shaped guitars, so your standard guitar stand wouldn't work for it at all.
You might have just explained the temporary blindness. So the beam hits your eye, and your pupil closes to let in less light. But it's nighttime, so now you can't see until your pupil readjusts. Sorta like stepping into a dark room from a bright room. You can't see for a few seconds/minutes.
RedHat and Cygwin share a system I believe (I'm prepared to be corrected here), because Cygwin was originally has ties to RedHat.
Ok. Cygwin has the *worst* package management ever, but one of the best front-ends. Go figure.
A package in Cygwin is a tarball, basically run from/. So you can download a Cygwin package with, say, your web browser, cd / in your cygwin install, tar -xzvf *thefile*, and that installs it. It's crap, it's nothing but crap. Dependency resolution? Don't know how they do it, really, unless the database they use to store packages also contains dependency information.
RPM, on the other hand, stores dependency information and some other useful metadata in the package itself. So theoretically an rpm *can* be installed on a non-rpm-based distribution, provided the rpm program (a perl script, of all things) is available, as well as the other tools needed (tar, a few others). Practically, it doesn't work out so well, and I wouldn't really try ot install an rpm into a non-rpm-based system, and there's even incompatibility between rpm-based systems, but it's not the fault of the package manager, it's the fault of the fools that arranged the system in incompatible ways, and for what? Vendor lock-in? Anyway, the problems come in with some of the optional flags. Some rpms can be installed anywhere if you pass a flag to rpm, but some rpms (anything built by Mandrake, one of my pet peeves with them) *must* be installed where they specify. Furthermore, some package maintainers specify specific versions of dependencies that they really don't need to specify, making it so that their package can only install on a narrow range of distributions that came out when that particular dependency was standard at that version. Luckily, most package maintainers don't do that, myself for example. When I put dependencies on pyAlarm, I just specified "pyao" and "pymad", no versions. So it would install if you had them, or if you used urpmi you could install the dependencies too, and it worked fine. (Granted, there were no doubt numerous bugs on numerous other systems that I never heard about, the new system in pyAlarm's much better, because it does its own dependency checking at runtime, but that's not an optimal solution for every program)
Anyway, Cygwin wasn't developed by RedHat. It was developed by someone else (I forget who), and RedHat acquired them. So now Cygwin is owned by RedHat, where previously it wasn't.
I, uh, respectfully disagree.:) Most historians I've read, anyway, so naturally I agree (no alternate presentation of the facts), say that the harsh winter after the invasion is what drove Hitler out of Russia. He pulled back into Poland when he failed to take Moscow, and he failed at Moscow because Winter hit. The Germans weren't used to the hard winters Russia gets, so they weren't prepared. That gave the Russians time to rally a bit. Add to that that, when you get right down to it, Hitler committed one of the most well-known classic blunders. While it was a land war in europe, technically, the USSR is an Asian power, so he did get into a land war with an Asian power.
I'm not trying to say we weren't needed. We did a lot of damage to Japan, and we *won* against Japan, there's no doubt about that. We took Japan essentially single-handed (with help from Oceania). And we did a lot of damage in WWII. Had we *not* gone into Europe, Hitler would have been able to concentrate more fully on his USSR campaign, and he might well have won it. It all came down to one battle at Stalingrad, and it still took 3 years for the war to end after it. So, yeah, we did help a lot. We can take some credit for bailing Europe out of that mess, as well as rebuilding Europe under the Marshall plan and shielding Western Europe against the commies. We can take a lot of credit for doing a lot of good things in the world. Let's just not take full credit for what the Allies accomplished as a group in WWII, ok? How about credit for our part?;)
Look, I'm all for "US kicked ass in WWII", but the war was decided in the Soviet Union, at Stalingrad, iirc. It was the war of attrition against the soviets that Hitler couldn't win. Our massive D-day invasion resembled a nail in the coffin more than the coffin itself.
Lol. What I meant by "difficult to detect" was "would look like regular earthquakes". Now that I think about it, they probably wouldn't. So nevermind, forget I said anything.:)
If you want to avoid floods, I guess you will have to move to the middle of some desert.
Oh no! Sandstorms! Tornadoes! Flash floods! (yes, even the sahara gets flash floods)
Sorry, as far as I know, there's *no place* on earth that is safe from natural disaster. Just choose your poison. I chose tornado, so I live in Texas. I really enjoy the weather surrounding all the natural disasters in central Texas.
A great deal of polar ice melting is harmless for the reasons given by other posters.
We don't know how much land is under Antarctica, so we don't really know how much the sea level will be affected by the ice over there melting. What we do know, though, is that much of the ice over Antarctica is not floating, it's sitting on the ground. So when it melts, the ocean levels will rise.
There are also glaciers in Canada, Alaska, and Scandinavia (possibly others, Switzerland?) that, when melted, will cause the ocean levels to rise. They are fresh-water glaciers, they aren't *in* the ocean, they're on land.
But how much would it have cost to have a few people in strategic positions with telephones that they could call and say "A tsunami is headed your way"?
How much would it have cost to have a set of seismologists (who already exist) watching the area (which they're already doing) also estimate the risk of tsunami after an earthquake, and then just warn people about it?
There's a fair amount of disaster preparation in the US that isn't disaster-centric and can be applied to any disaster as needed. India and Indonesia (and slowly the rest of the area hit by this latest tsunami will have to) have admitted they could have done better. I suspect there's at least a few formerly corrupt government officials rethinking their personal philosophies while they realize it is their responsibility to deal with this disaster, whether or not the blame is theirs, the responsibility is.
I should Ask Slashdot - is there a CO detector available or one that I could home-brew (would only be used as a backup - I've seen my soldering joints) that would alarm at a level I set?
YOu've already got the birds in your house, sounds like you have a solid warning system in place for any possible gaseous suffocation hazard that might happen.
Just remember to air out the house before you eat your dead birds.
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So, for all of you that haven't, go RTFA for once (disclaimer: I'm notorious for not following my own advice in many aspects.)
From the fucking article:
Advice is free and worth every penny of it.
From the page I've scanned (not read) numerous times:
So yes, deep down inside a cygwin package is a tarball you extract from the root. As I mentioned, I don't know how dependencies are tracked, but I'm fairly confident they're *not* in the package itself, which you confirmed.
Maybe I didn't say it the way you wanted it said, and maybe how I said it reveals something about it you'd prefer not to see, but I fail to see how what I've said is wrong enough to matter. It's not like I was trying to give a how-to guide to build cygwin packages. Nope, instead I was comparing them to RPMs, and none of the corrections you've made change my post in the slightest.
"Hand, pick up the ball! Pick up the ball!" *WHACK*
And of course, the question, do they give out prosthetic foreheads?
When it's 20F here most people aren't even wearing hats and mittens yet, let alone warming their car before they start to drive... We do that about the time it hits 0F.
Wow, talk about different worlds. When its 20F here most people don't even leave their houses. Of course, they're still not wearing clothes because they'll probably stay home from work and screw, but you get the idea.
There's nothing to be concerned about. We'll just torpedo the dikes in the Netherlands, and that should balance out the sea level problem nicely. (If that doesn't work, we'll attach a few blimps to New Orleans and raise it up out of the water)
But, we couldn't just let a bunch of really great jokes fall into disuse, so they became Blonde jokes.
The problem is that when they were nigger jokes and then later polish jokes, they didn't spawn any lame jokes, they just spawned more of the same type of joke. When they became Blonde jokes they spawned Dumb Man jokes, because of course every dumb blonde is a woman. The Dumb Man spawned another type of joke, I forget what, so many of us are trying to rollback the change from Polish->Dumb Blonde, hoping we'll be able to morph it into something else.
In any case, after the Poles get the ice shelf, I'm sure they can sell it to Texas...
This almost definitely scores me a negative tick on their scorechart. And if this is all they know of me, they now hate me.
Whatever dude, this scores you a positive tick on my scorechart. SInce this is all I know of you, will you marry me?
oh shit, I'm already married. Nevermind.
:) I didn't see in the article where it's supposed to affect the 2.6 kernel, but the writeup seemed to think so. I wanted to test all the same.
Didn't work. :( Thanks, though. I did a cursory look through the code, but this is C that's a bit beyond me. Not much of a C programmer these days...
Mandrake 10.1
You must intend to point the laser at an aircraft in order to be imprisoned for pointing a laser at an aircraft.
While you're right, mostly, this part isn't entirely accurate. It may be possible to be imprisoned for pointing a laser at an aircraft even if that's not your intent. Let's work by analogy, because that's always fun. :)
Say you intend to make a left turn and you don't intend to hurt anybody. But you don't look as closely as you could have and you maul some old lady pushing her grandchild around in a stroller, killing them both. You're guilty as sin of killing the old lady and her granchild, regardless of what your intent is.
When your defense attorney proves you didn't mean to do it, you get a lesser sentence.
So, now you're out of jail and you're pointing your laser pointer around in the sky to show your daughter all the beautiful stars. You don't intend to blind the pilot of the airliner making it's final approach causing the subsequent plane crash and the death of 200+ passengers. But you're still guilty as sin of doing it.
You're fucked, dude. Shouldn't have run over the old lady.
Man, I hate driving at night for that reason. I always thought it was just me, that my eyes were particularly sensitive to light. (I still think so, actually, for various unrelated reasons) I flash people who have their low beams on because their low beams are really bright. Hmmm.
I've always thought the dangers of laser pointers were blown out of proportion by the mass media, but I've never thought laser pointers were perfectly safe. :)
The guy should be in trouble for it, and they should be able to use pre-PATRIOT laws to get him. But we need to recognize something else going on here.
Prosecutors always go for the jugular, and they rarely get it. If the man's guilty, the judge decides the sentence (or the jury in some places, I think). Throughout the trial, their might be some exchanges to reduce the charges, and the sentence is not likely to be the maximum penalty available (unless he's already got a serious criminal record). The way the system works, if a prosecutor doesn't go for the maximum charge/penalty, he loses the case before it even starts.
So, yeah, the PATRIOT act shouldn't be applied here, but it's not an abuse of the PATRIOT act that's the cause, rather it's the way the system works. Fix the system. (Yeah, we need to get rid of the patriot act, but that's not the problem here)
I've stared straight into the sun long enough to have a ten minute afterimage. I've stared straight into a laser long enough to see the kinda neat pattern that's inside the beam. Other than the afterimage (which wasn't blinding and did go away) I've never been blinded
I built my guitar stand out of scrap exhaust pipes, painted it, and so forth. I did all the initial welding with the mig welder, went back over it with the torch. Didn't wear a mask at all. During the mig welding I watched closely to see the first part of the bead start, then shut my eyes tightly.
After I got home from work, I couldn't see for about 30 hours. Literally, couldn't see. Called in to work and so forth, had to wear sunglasses for the remaining light part of the day.
A few days later, grabbed the torch and rewelded a number of parts that weren't welded correctly. Wore a mask.
It's a nice guitar stand. I have one of those lightning-bolt shaped guitars, so your standard guitar stand wouldn't work for it at all.
You might have just explained the temporary blindness. So the beam hits your eye, and your pupil closes to let in less light. But it's nighttime, so now you can't see until your pupil readjusts. Sorta like stepping into a dark room from a bright room. You can't see for a few seconds/minutes.
Right? Wrong?
RedHat and Cygwin share a system I believe (I'm prepared to be corrected here), because Cygwin was originally has ties to RedHat.
Ok. Cygwin has the *worst* package management ever, but one of the best front-ends. Go figure.
A package in Cygwin is a tarball, basically run from /. So you can download a Cygwin package with, say, your web browser, cd / in your cygwin install, tar -xzvf *thefile*, and that installs it. It's crap, it's nothing but crap. Dependency resolution? Don't know how they do it, really, unless the database they use to store packages also contains dependency information.
RPM, on the other hand, stores dependency information and some other useful metadata in the package itself. So theoretically an rpm *can* be installed on a non-rpm-based distribution, provided the rpm program (a perl script, of all things) is available, as well as the other tools needed (tar, a few others). Practically, it doesn't work out so well, and I wouldn't really try ot install an rpm into a non-rpm-based system, and there's even incompatibility between rpm-based systems, but it's not the fault of the package manager, it's the fault of the fools that arranged the system in incompatible ways, and for what? Vendor lock-in? Anyway, the problems come in with some of the optional flags. Some rpms can be installed anywhere if you pass a flag to rpm, but some rpms (anything built by Mandrake, one of my pet peeves with them) *must* be installed where they specify. Furthermore, some package maintainers specify specific versions of dependencies that they really don't need to specify, making it so that their package can only install on a narrow range of distributions that came out when that particular dependency was standard at that version. Luckily, most package maintainers don't do that, myself for example. When I put dependencies on pyAlarm, I just specified "pyao" and "pymad", no versions. So it would install if you had them, or if you used urpmi you could install the dependencies too, and it worked fine. (Granted, there were no doubt numerous bugs on numerous other systems that I never heard about, the new system in pyAlarm's much better, because it does its own dependency checking at runtime, but that's not an optimal solution for every program)
Anyway, Cygwin wasn't developed by RedHat. It was developed by someone else (I forget who), and RedHat acquired them. So now Cygwin is owned by RedHat, where previously it wasn't.
I, uh, respectfully disagree. :) Most historians I've read, anyway, so naturally I agree (no alternate presentation of the facts), say that the harsh winter after the invasion is what drove Hitler out of Russia. He pulled back into Poland when he failed to take Moscow, and he failed at Moscow because Winter hit. The Germans weren't used to the hard winters Russia gets, so they weren't prepared. That gave the Russians time to rally a bit. Add to that that, when you get right down to it, Hitler committed one of the most well-known classic blunders. While it was a land war in europe, technically, the USSR is an Asian power, so he did get into a land war with an Asian power.
I'm not trying to say we weren't needed. We did a lot of damage to Japan, and we *won* against Japan, there's no doubt about that. We took Japan essentially single-handed (with help from Oceania). And we did a lot of damage in WWII. Had we *not* gone into Europe, Hitler would have been able to concentrate more fully on his USSR campaign, and he might well have won it. It all came down to one battle at Stalingrad, and it still took 3 years for the war to end after it. So, yeah, we did help a lot. We can take some credit for bailing Europe out of that mess, as well as rebuilding Europe under the Marshall plan and shielding Western Europe against the commies. We can take a lot of credit for doing a lot of good things in the world. Let's just not take full credit for what the Allies accomplished as a group in WWII, ok? How about credit for our part? ;)
Hahahahahahahaha. Hmmm..........
No?
Too sleepy to think about it
Look, I'm all for "US kicked ass in WWII", but the war was decided in the Soviet Union, at Stalingrad, iirc. It was the war of attrition against the soviets that Hitler couldn't win. Our massive D-day invasion resembled a nail in the coffin more than the coffin itself.
Lol. What I meant by "difficult to detect" was "would look like regular earthquakes". Now that I think about it, they probably wouldn't. So nevermind, forget I said anything. :)
If you want to avoid floods, I guess you will have to move to the middle of some desert.
Oh no! Sandstorms! Tornadoes! Flash floods! (yes, even the sahara gets flash floods)
Sorry, as far as I know, there's *no place* on earth that is safe from natural disaster. Just choose your poison. I chose tornado, so I live in Texas. I really enjoy the weather surrounding all the natural disasters in central Texas.
Ack, you guys aren't being specific enough.
A great deal of polar ice melting is harmless for the reasons given by other posters.
We don't know how much land is under Antarctica, so we don't really know how much the sea level will be affected by the ice over there melting. What we do know, though, is that much of the ice over Antarctica is not floating, it's sitting on the ground. So when it melts, the ocean levels will rise.
There are also glaciers in Canada, Alaska, and Scandinavia (possibly others, Switzerland?) that, when melted, will cause the ocean levels to rise. They are fresh-water glaciers, they aren't *in* the ocean, they're on land.
But how much would it have cost to have a few people in strategic positions with telephones that they could call and say "A tsunami is headed your way"?
How much would it have cost to have a set of seismologists (who already exist) watching the area (which they're already doing) also estimate the risk of tsunami after an earthquake, and then just warn people about it?
There's a fair amount of disaster preparation in the US that isn't disaster-centric and can be applied to any disaster as needed. India and Indonesia (and slowly the rest of the area hit by this latest tsunami will have to) have admitted they could have done better. I suspect there's at least a few formerly corrupt government officials rethinking their personal philosophies while they realize it is their responsibility to deal with this disaster, whether or not the blame is theirs, the responsibility is.
We'd also lose the MPAA and the RIAA!!!!!! I like this idea! Then Austin really will be the Live Music Capitol of the World!!!!
I should Ask Slashdot - is there a CO detector available or one that I could home-brew (would only be used as a backup - I've seen my soldering joints) that would alarm at a level I set?
YOu've already got the birds in your house, sounds like you have a solid warning system in place for any possible gaseous suffocation hazard that might happen.
Just remember to air out the house before you eat your dead birds.
Well, if this is about areas without major natural disasters, what about Brazil?
Then, you said:
Although, granted, poverty, crime and the occasional flood.
Bingo!