While I don't disagree particularly with anything you've said, I think it's idealistic. They could have behaved in that manner, but at the end of the day they didn't and neither would a lot of people. I'm sure by now Cox realises that Linus was technically correct, but my point is this wouldn't have been allowed to happen if there was a 'boss'. I've seen stacks of this type of discussion (that between Alan and Linus) on all the OSS forums I've visited over the years, and to see this between Linus and the de-facto 2nd in charge is the icing on the cake for me - it's why I genuinely believe Linux+OSS is doomed, not because of no money, but no leadership - hell, a seeming resentment of it.
PS: It seems you now need to enclose paragraphs with <p> </p> pairs rather than following each with the old-school <p> tag. Failing that, 'Plain text' format avoids the monospace font and lets you put line breaks in without HTML
You don't understand - it's not the role of the boss to say who's right and who's wrong in this case - it's to decide who's being unreasonable - he knows that all the expertise needed is possessed by the two individuals arguing, what they lack is mediation. This I learned primarily from Slashdot itself. There's many talented and knowledgeable people here (there's also a share of twits) and absolutely no mediation.
What I've learned in this Cox/Torvalds case is
As well as seeming correct, Linus most assuredly is an asshole, because being correct ain't quite enough for him - he must call someone a douche as well. I never had to deal with him, and I'm now glad I never will.
That the F/OSS situation is more hopeless than I originally thought. It's not just a KDE vs. Gnome, OK/Cancel vs. Cancel/OK, Gentoo vs. Debian thing. These are two grown men that have worked together for years, among the most technically able F/OSS has to offer, working at the kernel level, and they couldn't work their shit out.
Obviously it depends on the scenario, but the presence of a boss often stops stupid little arguments that don't further the purpose from happening. I've had my boss stick up for me when someone else has been a dick, and I've been told to shut up and listen for a minute when I've been a dick. Sometimes the boss fires someone because it's too hard to stop them from being a dick, in spite of whatever intelligence they possess. Last time I got fired was 12 years ago, I didn't see it then, but I do now: it was because I was being a dick, and my boss was right to fire me. Sometimes I was technically correct, but still giving priority to being a dick.
It's not only IT - in the activity of parenting and marriage both my wife and I have seized opportunities to make dicks out of ourselves to each other. And just like this Cox/Torvalds incident, sometimes the way through isn't knowing whose right or wrong, it's acknowledging you were a dick and apologising.
It's basic social relationships at work here, not bugs in kernels. OSS groups are like relationships, and have their associated problems. Having a boss is in a way like having a full-time relationship councillor on board. Cox/Torvalds happened because nobody stood up and said "hey guys, come on". I don't care which of the two were right about the TTY bug, there was no way that needed to erupt into the argument that it did, yet time and time again it happens. Imagine what the FOSS world would have been by now if people could have swallowed their pride rather than pack their bags and spread the skills thinly by way of forking.
How about "Nice work Linus, you'll have the entire kernel back to yourself any day now, I'm sure"
Back three years ago I was sure I'd never leave. Now, I was no kernel dev, but I found out what it was like to try. In the meantime I grew up, and realised there's two sides to Linux.
The 'user' side, where you put up with limited, buggy and badly designed software, finding yourself grateful it even exists, and
The 'dev' side, where your success is proportional to the thickness of your skin. Your willingness to sit there and listen to argue with some other twit whose age you guess at 13 over something you know isn't furthering your project one bit. Oh, and telling people who post "I'm leaving" threads on the forum how wrong they are about everything, and how little their contribution was really worth anyway.
Go and have a look at forums.gentoo.org, where you'll see both at work. I gave up too. For a long time I thought, through contributions and advocacy, I'd help Linux make some real headway in the Server and desktop market. Eventually I came to believe that it would never be big, it'd just mean more communities and more infighting and little real progress.
So I'm sorry, Alan. I'm really sorry, but you've made the right move. Thanks for everything.
Well put. To me, the truth seems no more complicated than that. Don't worry, I'm sure someone will be along to mod you down to -1 soon. Sure, Apple's app-rejections have sure been unpopular here on Slashdot (with a greater concentration of current and potential app developers) but it doesn't seem to be affecting actual sales of the devices negatively.
Nasty as this whole thing is to most of us here, I don't really think Apple would care if half the iPhone devs up and walked out today. Maybe they're planning on moving into iPhone App Development in a big way themselves.
I don't know what it is with the App Store regions. I've got a 'free' version of a game that have enjoyed enough that I set out to buy it - only to find it's no longer available in the New Zealand App Store, not even the free demo I downloaded in the first place. It's iShift (and iShift Lite) by Armor Games, if you're curious.
While it may transpire you are right with regards to shooting oneself in the foot - it's at least not looking like that for them right now, sales of the iPhone are booming, AAPL is lifting. While you and I don't entirely like what's going on here, it remains to be seen whether Apple hit their own foot or someone else's.
You will NEVER convince the hoax believers short of taking each and every one of them there. It'd be more economical to round them all up and shoot them, if what you desired was unanimous agreement of the moon landings. I asked a hoax believer the other day if he'd ever been to Iceland. He hadn't. I followed that he must surely disbelieve in Iceland as well, given he's seen no stronger evidence of it than the moon landings.
We might as well kick you while you're down:) That's 3W when off, you should have left off the 'per hour' bit. Wattage is an instantaneous measurement. e.g. I weigh 80 kilograms. Not 80 kilograms per hour/day/week etc. If you left you computer plugged in for 24 hours, it's consumption would be 3 x 24 = 72 watt-hours, or 0.072 kWh, but this is not the same as saying "watts per hour"
I didn't mean that they would automatically grant the wishes of every single person complaining, merely consider them. Since sales seem to be doing well, it follows Apple aren't exactly desperate for more, any concessions they make would only be because it benefits them. Accordingly, I think your second sentence is bang on.
I love hearing about people who swear they will buy an iPhone as soon as Apple does X, ha! I'm sure Steve Jobs sits about reading/. all day, and when he sees a comment like "i wont buy an iPhone until...." he must bolt upright and say "cripes! I'll get right on it!"
You don't think at least someone on Apple staff might be perusing the news sites and forums and reporting their findings regularly?
Don't you love it when technical terms find their way into popular culture? Nowadays when people say "my laptop was bricked by hackers" they probably simply mean their screen is all smudgy.
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Getting around by bicycle itself seems like a bad idea to me - maybe drivers are better where you are, but cycling in New Zealand is a death wish.
European swallows are non-migratory.
While I don't disagree particularly with anything you've said, I think it's idealistic. They could have behaved in that manner, but at the end of the day they didn't and neither would a lot of people. I'm sure by now Cox realises that Linus was technically correct, but my point is this wouldn't have been allowed to happen if there was a 'boss'. I've seen stacks of this type of discussion (that between Alan and Linus) on all the OSS forums I've visited over the years, and to see this between Linus and the de-facto 2nd in charge is the icing on the cake for me - it's why I genuinely believe Linux+OSS is doomed, not because of no money, but no leadership - hell, a seeming resentment of it.
PS: It seems you now need to enclose paragraphs with <p> </p> pairs rather than following each with the old-school <p> tag. Failing that, 'Plain text' format avoids the monospace font and lets you put line breaks in without HTML
What I've learned in this Cox/Torvalds case is
It's not only IT - in the activity of parenting and marriage both my wife and I have seized opportunities to make dicks out of ourselves to each other. And just like this Cox/Torvalds incident, sometimes the way through isn't knowing whose right or wrong, it's acknowledging you were a dick and apologising.
It's basic social relationships at work here, not bugs in kernels. OSS groups are like relationships, and have their associated problems. Having a boss is in a way like having a full-time relationship councillor on board. Cox/Torvalds happened because nobody stood up and said "hey guys, come on". I don't care which of the two were right about the TTY bug, there was no way that needed to erupt into the argument that it did, yet time and time again it happens. Imagine what the FOSS world would have been by now if people could have swallowed their pride rather than pack their bags and spread the skills thinly by way of forking.
Read the post in context - it's quite clear that he doesn't
How about "Nice work Linus, you'll have the entire kernel back to yourself any day now, I'm sure"
Back three years ago I was sure I'd never leave. Now, I was no kernel dev, but I found out what it was like to try. In the meantime I grew up, and realised there's two sides to Linux.
Go and have a look at forums.gentoo.org, where you'll see both at work. I gave up too. For a long time I thought, through contributions and advocacy, I'd help Linux make some real headway in the Server and desktop market. Eventually I came to believe that it would never be big, it'd just mean more communities and more infighting and little real progress.
So I'm sorry, Alan. I'm really sorry, but you've made the right move. Thanks for everything.
Well put. To me, the truth seems no more complicated than that. Don't worry, I'm sure someone will be along to mod you down to -1 soon.
Sure, Apple's app-rejections have sure been unpopular here on Slashdot (with a greater concentration of current and potential app developers) but it doesn't seem to be affecting actual sales of the devices negatively.
Nasty as this whole thing is to most of us here, I don't really think Apple would care if half the iPhone devs up and walked out today. Maybe they're planning on moving into iPhone App Development in a big way themselves.
Hundreds of use would *love* to know what that is now :)
Uhh, the First Post?
I don't know what it is with the App Store regions. I've got a 'free' version of a game that have enjoyed enough that I set out to buy it - only to find it's no longer available in the New Zealand App Store, not even the free demo I downloaded in the first place. It's iShift (and iShift Lite) by Armor Games, if you're curious.
While it may transpire you are right with regards to shooting oneself in the foot - it's at least not looking like that for them right now, sales of the iPhone are booming, AAPL is lifting. While you and I don't entirely like what's going on here, it remains to be seen whether Apple hit their own foot or someone else's.
Well, I'd reverse the polarity of the main deflector dish, of course
You will NEVER convince the hoax believers short of taking each and every one of them there. It'd be more economical to round them all up and shoot them, if what you desired was unanimous agreement of the moon landings. I asked a hoax believer the other day if he'd ever been to Iceland. He hadn't. I followed that he must surely disbelieve in Iceland as well, given he's seen no stronger evidence of it than the moon landings.
I believe all he said was 'electricity is so damn cheap for me, so I don't bother with removing parasitic loads, however significant they may be'
HTH.
And I'll do everyone else the favour making myself look like a dick here: It seems 802.11i and 802.11j have in fact been used, after a brief search.
Letters like i, j and o are often avoided in numbering schemes due to their similarity with digits.
I didn't mean that they would automatically grant the wishes of every single person complaining, merely consider them. Since sales seem to be doing well, it follows Apple aren't exactly desperate for more, any concessions they make would only be because it benefits them. Accordingly, I think your second sentence is bang on.
Yeah, just like they're losing out in the smartphone market today (/s)
You don't think at least someone on Apple staff might be perusing the news sites and forums and reporting their findings regularly?
Don't you love it when technical terms find their way into popular culture? Nowadays when people say "my laptop was bricked by hackers" they probably simply mean their screen is all smudgy.
Fun, isn't it?
Issues!? Seems to me it's got an entire subscription
How very optimal indeed!