You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, I was replying to a bullshit statement about the jewish death toll.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews' part of it.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jewish part of it
Threats of violence and the incitement of others to commit violence is banned (and this will now be more widely enforced). No one is going to stop you from posting an honest critical opinion.
If you cannot express yourself without threatening others, you should probably just stop talking.
No one is going to ban honest criticism or the expression of opinions. But they ARE going to ban threats of violence or inciting others to commit violence. If you cannot see the difference, go DIAF.
No one is stopping anyone from being critical or having an opinion.
However, you will be banned or reported to the police if you make direct threats of violence or try to incite others to commit violence. It's not really that hard to understand.
"Free expression" doesn't include threats of violence or direct action against other people with a difference viewpoint/skin color/religion/etc. than yours.
You can complain about them as much as you want, but you'll get banned (or possibly reported to the police) for making credible threats etc.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews that were killed.
Also there's such a thing as legal pedigree, if you have a CD and can legally make an MP3 from it that does not mean you can download the same MP3 from an illegal copy on the Internet - a copy of an illegal copy is always illegal. It does not have anything to do with the actual bits and bytes.
Fuck that noise.
If I own the CD, and I download an "illegal" copy, who's going to prove that those files are any different from the ones I could make from my own CD? I have actually done this in cases where my own CD had become unreadable due to disc rot.
Copyright lawyers need to die in a fire. All of them. I'll get the gasoline.
Yes, and if you replied to my post, you're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews (of which 6 million were killed, out of the 50 to 80 million total).
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews (6 million vs. 70 million total).
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews. 70 million total, 6 million of those were jews.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews.
You can't compare the US and Europe like for like. The US is pretty culturally homogeneous (because you killed off most of the native population and replaced it with your own), whereas Europe has enormous cultural differences, even from one country to the next.
Eastern Europe is especially under tension, because of the constant and arbitrary moving of borders that has happened over the last century or two.
The US has had nothing like that, at least not anywhere near that scale of fuckery.
Guns have one purpose: To maim or kill another living being, either a human or an animal. There is absolutely no other use for a gun. Using a gun to intimidate someone, is to threaten them with the possibility of being maimed or killed.
Even target shooting (which I sometimes participate in myself) is nothing more than training for using a gun to maim or kill.
That's it. Firearms have literally no uses that are non-destructive.
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You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, I was replying to a bullshit statement about the jewish death toll.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews' part of it.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jewish part of it
Yeah, I guess I should have quoted the post I replied to, for context.
Only if your definition of free speech is "I want to be able to post threats of violence against other people with absolutely no consequences".
Threats of violence and the incitement of others to commit violence is banned (and this will now be more widely enforced). No one is going to stop you from posting an honest critical opinion.
If you cannot express yourself without threatening others, you should probably just stop talking.
Uh no, your obvious strawman is showing.
No one is going to ban honest criticism or the expression of opinions. But they ARE going to ban threats of violence or inciting others to commit violence. If you cannot see the difference, go DIAF.
No one is stopping anyone from being critical or having an opinion.
However, you will be banned or reported to the police if you make direct threats of violence or try to incite others to commit violence. It's not really that hard to understand.
"Free expression" doesn't include threats of violence or direct action against other people with a difference viewpoint/skin color/religion/etc. than yours.
You can complain about them as much as you want, but you'll get banned (or possibly reported to the police) for making credible threats etc.
It's perfectly OK to hate anyone you like (or don't like, in this case), you just can't incite violence or threaten them.
For instance, "I hate nazis and I don't want them to have any influence whatsoever" is OK.
But "I hate nazis and I think they should all be killed, in fact let's go kill some nazi scum right now" is not OK.
It's not that hard to understand.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews that were killed.
Also there's such a thing as legal pedigree, if you have a CD and can legally make an MP3 from it that does not mean you can download the same MP3 from an illegal copy on the Internet - a copy of an illegal copy is always illegal. It does not have anything to do with the actual bits and bytes.
Fuck that noise.
If I own the CD, and I download an "illegal" copy, who's going to prove that those files are any different from the ones I could make from my own CD? I have actually done this in cases where my own CD had become unreadable due to disc rot.
Copyright lawyers need to die in a fire. All of them. I'll get the gasoline.
Yes, and if you replied to my post, you're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews (of which 6 million were killed, out of the 50 to 80 million total).
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews (6 million vs. 70 million total).
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews. 70 million total, 6 million of those were jews.
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
You're missing the context. I was replying to the assertion that "The figure was 6 million Jews, then 4 million, and now historians say probably 1.5 million is a better number, the Red Cross released a report (suppressed for 70 years) saying around 125 thousand died in the camps, but you go to jail if you question it in some politically oppressed places."
I wasn't talking about the total death toll, only the jews.
I watched Shoot 'Em Up, too.
Really bizarrely fun movie, but I worry that's how most Americans actually look at guns.
No, I'm pretty sure every credible source has the death toll at around 6 million jews, of which 1.5 million were children.
Stop getting your news and figures from batshit insane right-wing blogs.
I'd love to kill off most of the population. ~80% of people are a waste of space and oxygen, anyway.
Ublock Origin and Privacy Badger are must-haves. NoScript/Scriptsafe if you're really paranoid.
You can't compare the US and Europe like for like. The US is pretty culturally homogeneous (because you killed off most of the native population and replaced it with your own), whereas Europe has enormous cultural differences, even from one country to the next.
Eastern Europe is especially under tension, because of the constant and arbitrary moving of borders that has happened over the last century or two.
The US has had nothing like that, at least not anywhere near that scale of fuckery.
Guns have one purpose: To maim or kill another living being, either a human or an animal. There is absolutely no other use for a gun. Using a gun to intimidate someone, is to threaten them with the possibility of being maimed or killed.
Even target shooting (which I sometimes participate in myself) is nothing more than training for using a gun to maim or kill.
That's it. Firearms have literally no uses that are non-destructive.
71 fucking years ago.
A LOT has happened since then, dickwad.