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Microsoft, Facebook, YouTube and Others Agree To Remove Hate Speech Across the EU

Tech giants in conjunction with European Union are taking a stand to fight hate speech. Microsoft, Twitter, YouTube, Google, and Facebook have launched "code of conduct" aimed at fighting racism and xenophobia across Europe. The companies aren't legally obligated, but have agreed to "public commitments" to review the "majority of valid notifications for removal of illegal hate speech" in less than 24 hours, and make it easier for law enforcement in Europe to notify the firms directly. From a TechCrunch report: Tech companies will have to find the right balance between freedom of expression and hateful content. Based on the code of conduct, they'll have dedicated teams reviewing flagged items (poor employees who will have to review awful things every day). Tech companies will also educate their users and tell them that it's forbidden to post hateful content. They'll cooperate with each other to share best practice. They'll encourage flagging of hateful content and they'll promote counter speech against hateful rhetoric. It's good to see that this issue got escalated and the European Commission was able to come up with a code of conduct quite quickly. Instead of making tech companies deal with every single European country, they can agree on rules for the EU as a whole."The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech," Vera Jourova, EU Commissioner for Justice, Consumers and Gender Equality, wrote in the European Commission press release. "Social media is unfortunately one of the tools that terrorist groups use to radicalise young people and racist use to spread violence and hatred. This agreement is an important step forward to ensure that the internet remains a place of free and democratic expression, where European values and laws are respected."

405 comments

  1. What could go wrong? by transami · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No slippery slope here, no sir.

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    1. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may happen only by accident that all news about Windows 10 and Facebook app spying will get removed from the internet..

    2. Re:What could go wrong? by Temtongkek · · Score: 1

      I'm kind of stunned over this. I'm also not stunned at all over this. It's like watching a train you know is about to wreck but you know you can't do anything about it. You WANT to help, but you...can't, really.

    3. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, hate against whom? Is it still OK to hate Nazis? (or anyone I feel like labeling as such?)

    4. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax. We'll always have /. to be free as a Coward.

    5. Re:What could go wrong? by umghhh · · Score: 1

      Zes it is OK to hate nayis (that is intended spelling - guess why).

    6. Re:What could go wrong? by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      I think people who disagree with my political views are engaging in hate speech. Can I get to decide?

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    7. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you either support terrorism posts on Twitter and Facebook (ISIL et al.) or you don't.

      Which is it? What is the middle ground? What is YOUR solution?

      These are not PUBLIC venues, these are PRIVATE venues for posting. They can do as they please.

      In America, you have FREE SPEECH ZONES now during protesting... Did you agree to that? No? Ok, if no, what did YOU do about it? Hint: Posting on forums with the "me too" crowd doesn't solve the problem.

    8. Re:What could go wrong? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Fun fact: My native keyboard layout has Z and Y reversed from normal US layout.

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    9. Re: What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But tolerance of intolerance is intolerance so the answer is obvious.

    10. Re:What could go wrong? by bettodavis · · Score: 1

      Given the slant of current public discourse and "morality", I'm certain this won't impact Daesh wannabe members wishing and expressing death threats upon the Great Satan in the least, but certainly those horrible evil cis white male scum oppressing womyn by telling them being fat is not healthy, and any other horrible, unforgivable hate speech (like disagreeing with the SJW's cultish drivel).

      Because the modern world has its values backwards, there is no way for this to end well.

    11. Re:What could go wrong? by rdelsambuco · · Score: 1

      What's "fun" about that? By "fun" do you mean "trivial and uninteresting?"

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    12. Re:What could go wrong? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      The slope is nothing BUT slippery :(

      Everybody gets so damned butthurt about EVERYTHING....

    13. Re:What could go wrong? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      So you either support terrorism posts on Twitter and Facebook (ISIL et al.) or you don't.

      I have no problem at all with terrorism posts on Twitter and/or Facebook.

      Gives me a chance to point and laugh.

      But then, I'm not so frightened of words as some people these days seem to be....

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    14. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think people who disagree with my political views are engaging in hate speech. Can I get to decide?

      You already have.

    15. Re:What could go wrong? by Nyghtfall · · Score: 1

      So, Facebook and few others have determined that they hate this type of speech, so they will now censor such speech. Does the hating of the hate speech qualify as hate speech and thus deserve to be banned?

    16. Re: What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ministry of truth would like a word with you

    17. Re:What could go wrong? by war4peace · · Score: 1

      The fact that you don't get it. That's fun.

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    18. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Facebook et al. certainly have the right, as companies, to censor as they wish, whether it be anti-"hate speech" or not. I think it's a silly move, and I would absolutely be against the EU forcing them to comply with their asinine "hate speech" laws, but as private companies they can do that. I doubt it's a good business move, and I think it's likely to escalate to the point of being harmful to their user communities, but that's their call.

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    19. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can't do anything about it.

      You can record it on your phone, put it on youtube and make some money with it.

    20. Re:What could go wrong? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, I'm sure that removing "hate speech" (whatever that is) will be simple and straightforward. What could be easier than enforcing a total ban on a nebulous, undefined concept?

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    21. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Facebook et al. certainly have the right, as companies, to censor as they wish, whether it be anti-"hate speech" or not.
      Exactly, e.g. in Germany censorship can effectively only be issued by the government. In other words, if a company decides to not host or publish content, that is not considered a limitation to free speech. It could only be seen as limitation to free speech once its a monopoly. There is a certain creep of censorship in a non-discriminatory platform that starts to block groups of users based on opinions, but there is no such right to publish any content by any private company. Of course there is a right to free speech (although such definitions are hard to translate) and the diversity of media still allows proper publicity. Many people dont get that difference.

      >and I would absolutely be against the EU forcing them to comply with their asinine "hate speech" laws, but as private companies they can
      >do that.
      After all, this is a code of conduct referring an existing law. The law provides victims and governments with the possibility to counter insults and hate speech itself and its publication. I see this as a declaration that explains the right of a publisher to delete content to a wider audience. It also contains the installation of a forwarding mechanism for notifications and deleted contents toward countries to measure the size of this problem.

      >I doubt it's a good business move, and I think it's likely to escalate to the point of being harmful to their user communities, but that's their call.
      A platform on which content is subject to bias wont be a good base for a discussion and will certainly be called to take part in it - may it be by removal or by not removing it, both will be seen as an influence toward the content. However, as this code of conduct is about hate speech, the line between opinion, satire and hatred is pretty much faded:

      "The European Court of Human Rights set out the important distinction between content that "offends, shocks or disturbs the State or any sector of the population" and content that contains genuine and serious incitement to violence and hatred. The Court has made clear that States may sanction or prevent the latter."

      However, i would say that contradictions within a society provide the biggest factor for radicalization, more than any hate speech ever posted itself. Text categorized as hate speech can only be seen in the context of the society (and its contradictions) it is published in. Most of it allows for an insight into the minds of their originators and the reaction they try to achieve. Non-contradictory communication is part of such a process.

      Free speech vs. hate speech is a contradiction on a simplified level, probably not one that radicalizes people, but one that could be used to prove some influence on free speech. Contradictions at the workplace, definition of success, social status and integrity are far more radicalizing when compared to a society that defines itself different than experienced in daily routine. Radical groups usually tend to create an environment that is completely disconnected from that, while at the same time forming a dependency to its members, as they drift in a completely different direction. Deleting this communication could axe the last remaining connection of such groups to the rest of a society and therefore initiate actions on its own. Anyway, talking to people that lack righteousness is usually rarely productive, so removal is not the worst option.

    22. Re:What could go wrong? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      It's perfectly OK to hate anyone you like (or don't like, in this case), you just can't incite violence or threaten them.

      For instance, "I hate nazis and I don't want them to have any influence whatsoever" is OK.

      But "I hate nazis and I think they should all be killed, in fact let's go kill some nazi scum right now" is not OK.

      It's not that hard to understand.

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    23. Re:What could go wrong? by fgouget · · Score: 1

      Microsoft, Facebook, YouTube & co started down the slippery slope out of their own volition: by banning photos with too much skin or anything that might be considered slightly erotic. Yet, essentially nobody in the US opposed that by shouting "slippery slope" or even found any thing wrong with it.

    24. Re:What could go wrong? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      It all depends on the words and their context. That's the tricky thing. Words can just express an opinion, or, they can incite. That's why though they're mere words, you're not legally allowed to yell fire in a movie theatre (unless there is one), or threaten people with violence or assassination, or outright lie about them (defamation of character). Other than that though, it should all be free speech.
      Often this "hate speech" is just people expressing their personal opinion with no real teeth or intent behind it. Let's see how lopsided this gets. I'm sure certain groups will labeled as haters disproportionately to others, because it's damn near impossible to eliminate bias.

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    25. Re:What could go wrong? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      That's why though they're mere words, you're not legally allowed to yell fire in a movie theatre (unless there is one)

      The court case that used the phrase "falsely shout fire in a crowded theatre" didn't come to the conclusion you think it did. What they said was that it MIGHT be illegal, but that since it was purely a hypothetical, they didn't have any intentions of deciding that matter.

      Yes, words might be incitement. Nonetheless, I'm not actually frightened by words, and so it bothers me not at all that there might be "hate speech" on some website somewhere.

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    26. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that hard to understand.

      It is for those who understand the value and consequences of free speech. "I hate nazis and I think they should all be killed, in fact let's go kill some nazi scum right now" is fine right up until you start assaulting people for being "nazis".

      In America, we complain about the overly-sensitive millennials, but I think this timid and insular mindset has already become the norm in western European nations.

    27. Re:What could go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I (in the US) opposed it by not using their lame services.

    28. Re:What could go wrong? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      So you think it's perfectly OK to use free speech to incite hatred and motivate others to commit violent acts against others?

      Free speech means that you cannot be prevented from saying what you want, but it absolutely does not absolve you of responsibility for the consequences of what you say. It's very emphatically not a right to "say anything I want, and you can't do anything about it".

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  2. In politically korrect Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hate speech is removed by EU!

  3. of course by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    ...the first comments removed will be any anti-microsoft comments. So much for the year of linux on the desktop...

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    1. Re:of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you said linux, I'm afraid that's hate speech and I will have to ban you from the internet, you have no right of appeal

    2. Re:of course by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

      you have no right of appeal

      Not to worry. I'm used to it.

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    3. Re: of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the first comments to be censored will be by British people backing brexit. Mock if if you will but that is democracy really works in the EU.

  4. Well thats by maroberts · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Doubleplusgood

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  5. Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This agreement is an important step forward to ensure that the internet remains a place of free and democratic expression, where European values and laws are respected.

    So, European values don't actually include free expression. Will bouncing back and forth between these too opposing goals cause so much friction that the interwebs actually catch on fire?

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    1. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      No, you're thinking of the "Buttered cat paradox".

      The back and forth on the internet will simply bog it down.

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    2. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Hylandr · · Score: 2

      More importantly the EU will have more tools to effectively squelch honest reporting about the current ISIS invasion.

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    3. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The people that are beating their multiple child wives will be able to operate with impunity and continue to displace long time residents from their homes without public oversight.

      What could go wrong?

    4. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      If any of those platforms were owned and operated by European governments, you might have a point. As they are completely optional to use (at least, I don't recall any laws saying using Twitter or Facebook were mandatory), and are not government agencies.....

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    5. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by swb · · Score: 1

      I think it's a fallacy to conflate a legal right to freedom of speech with the moral right to freedom of expression, especially in a world filled with "optional" privately owned public spaces where freedom of expression is restricted by property rights.

      Although I suppose the good news is you can stand on a crate in the public square and say anything you want because there's nobody left in the public square.

    6. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would prefer free espresso :)

      The UK is one of the WORST cuplrets for freedom of expression in Europe of all member states. The UK wants to exit from the European Comission of Human Rights and the Human Rights directives and replace it with their own version (which you can be sure is WORSE), the UK has detained people in prison without chance of leaving, what kind of human rights country is that? CCTV everywhere. Once TTIP takes hold, you can bend over and kiss your rights bye bye BIG TIME.

    7. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How true:

      http://www.prisonplanet.com/swedish-government-kicks-local-family-out-of-home-gives-it-to-migrants.html

    8. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are no more opposing goals than having the freedom to drive but not drink and drive. Your rights to free-speech end where the rights to basic existence begin. It's not that complicated.

    9. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      What I'm saying is that, for example, Facebook can already remove your posts for any reason or none. All this is doing is codifying some reasons why they might do so.

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    10. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all we are doing is saying that their codification choice is bogus. Saying that you are banning hate speech, is also hate speech. It is directing hatred towards those of us to believe in the uncompromising position that everyone deserves the right to free speech, no matter what that speech may be.

    11. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Er, no.

      There is a different between some racist twonk saying "ALL {X} MUST DIE!" (or other racist b.s.) and saying "Your message has no place here, and we're not going to allow it."

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    12. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might want to read the original article.

      Funny how it doesn't mention anything about migrants.

      https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&u=https://mitti.se/familjen-tvingas-att-lamna-sitt-hem/&prev=search

    13. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      www.prisonplanet.com

      This is what Slashdot has come to. Alex fucking Jones.

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    14. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by shilly · · Score: 1

      No country has completely unfettered free speech, including the US. In both the US and the EU. In the US, this includes:
      - incitement to imminent lawless action is not protected speech
      - false statements of fact are often not protected speech (libel and slander fit here)
      - child pornography is not protected
      - fighting words are not protected
      - speech owned by others is not protected
      - commercial speech has diminished protections (eg false adverts may be punished or prohibited)
      - speech made in a way that invokes a particular capacity of the government (eg as regulator of the airwaves, but not the Internet) has limited protection

      There are reasonable disagreements to be had about the appropriateness of the categories and scope of these limitations. But you'd have to be either an ideologue or a gibbering fuckwit to fail to recognise that these limits have all been put in place because there is a need to balance competing public interests: the right to free speech vs the risks to minority groups if unfettered hate speech were allowed, for example.

      Sadly, few people seem willing to acknowledge these kind of essential complexities of public policy and life, at least on Slashdot. Honestly, the level of debate was better in my sixth-form discussion club than much of what I see here.

    15. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by swb · · Score: 1

      No, what you're doing is improving the window dressing on Facebook's censorship.

      Of course they've always had the ability to remove posts for any reason they like, but they've generally been inhibited in the early years of the platform for a garden variety of motivations, such as not wanting to inhibit the network effect by discouraging users and a lack of a coherent justification outside the realm of the outer limits of decency (ie, porn or other visually explicit imagery).

      By hopping on the "hate speech" train they're enhancing their ability to remove posts by giving them a "good reason" to do so.

      My own sense of this these days is that once upon a time, European hate speech laws were largely a legacy of WWII/Nazism. I think now they're couched in terms of good intentions but in reality are an attempt by the ruling class to suppress opposition from those on the right.

      By aligning itself with this, Facebook is really aligning itself with the existing ruling class in Europe.

    16. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The silver lining is that these stupid laws can hurt "social" networks badly, accelerating their path to irrelevance. It will be hard to enforce anti-speech laws in Bulletin Boards.

    17. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      In the US at Ieast I would characterize free speech as an absence of governmental prior restraint. Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from consequences. You can say you will do X and be arrested to prevent you from actually doing X, but it is the action or potential action that is being prevented, not the speech. I agree it is a hard line to draw and clearly society can determine where it draws the line; and not everyone will agree on where the line is drawn. Private organizations have no obligation to allow unfettered access to their property and can draw the line wherever they choose; others can then vote with their feet and take their business where the policies are more to their liking.

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    18. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by lgw · · Score: 1

      Incitement to immediate violence may be the only legitimate example in your list of prior restraint of speech based on content (the special treatment of child pornography is blatantly unconstitutional, but no one cares to protest that one). Libel and slander are a tort, not a crime. Fraud is a crime, but that's a regulation of business practice, not of speech per se (a lot of fraud involves what you don't say).

      Particularly in the realm of political speech, only incitement to immediate violence should ever be banned.

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    19. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Funny how it doesn't mention anything about migrants.

      Funny how your reading skills are so poor you can't figure out that this phrase means migrants:

      "Then I was laid off from my accommodation on the phone. When I asked the reason, he said that people come from other countries."

      But stories like that aren't the kind of stories that leftist, mainstream press like to report about when it comes to the mass migration going on. But when a kid dies, well that's front page news. Nevermind the immense cost (both socially and economically) to the host countries, or the fact that the majority of migrants are military-age men.

    20. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Alex fucking Jones.

      It's actually Paul Joseph Watson, and he's pretty sane compared to Jones. But you're part of the crowd on Slashdot defending the useful idiots on the left, so I'm sure the distinction matters little to you.

    21. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a different between some racist twonk saying "ALL {X} MUST DIE!" (or other racist b.s.) and saying "Your message has no place here, and we're not going to allow it."

      It's more like this:

      Government: "Terrorist are a problem! We must ban hate speech."

      Pleb: "Yes, and maybe you shouldn't have let in all those people associated with terrorism, violence, and intolerance."

      Government: "Xenophobia! This hate speech must be banned!"

    22. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Freedom if speech is a guaranteed human right in Europe. However, just like the US and every other country, there are limits.

      State secrets. Shouting fire in a theatre. And yes, inciting hated against certain protected attributes. Personally I don't agree with the last one, but the logic is that it conflicts with other individuals' rights.

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    23. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nevermind the immense cost (both socially and economically) to the host countries, or the fact that the majority of migrants are military-age men.

      You mean the group of people MOST likely to be forcibly conscripted into fighting against their will is, by your contention, most likely to flee?

      The horrors. The surprise.

      But tell you what, if you want, you can assign them work to do that isn't involving picking up a gun and shooting others. As long as you pay them, and can deal with the problem of people complaining about jobs programs.

      Of course, you haven't produced any numbers, but I don't care, even if true, your concerns can be addressed.

    24. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TTIP is an EU deal, going the Brexit route makes the UK less likely to participate in it, not more.

    25. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Freedom if speech is a guaranteed human right in Europe"
      That's the best joke I've heard in awile.

    26. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      It's actually Paul Joseph Watson, and he's pretty sane compared to Jones.

      You mean at the site that has, on its masthead, "Alex Jones' Prison Planet"?

      If Watson was sane, why would he submit an article to Prison Planet?

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    27. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I would like to think that amount of spinning would result in "free energy" to be harnessed.

    28. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Most of the migrants are looking for money, not fleeing war. How about you give them a job, and a place to live, instead of volunteering somebody else's property?

    29. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Probably for exposure. He actually has videos making fun of idiot conspiracy theorists.

    30. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Probably for exposure.

      Exposure to what?

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    31. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the migrants are looking for money, not fleeing war.

      First you expect me to be upset over the age of people fleeing conditions, even though unproven, the reasoning I offered is sufficient to explain. Not satisfied, now you wish me to take offense over unsupported aspersions of their character? Well, unless you want to condemn the many persons with that fault around me, and scourge them for their manifold sins, I cannot much subscribe to your complaint.

      If you do, of course, then I can commiserate with you over this world of sin in which we reside, however I do not hold these individuals to be exceptional, rather the woeful norm.

      How about you give them a job, and a place to live, instead of volunteering somebody else's property?

      Can you guarantee that I shall be free from arrest and imprisonment if I were to so? Because that is what I shall face from my government if I should do so. I might even be lynched for trying. Can you protect me from that?

      Because I would make such offers if I might, but I must be honest, I fear most sorely what those around me would do. They are a vicious and fearful lot, inclined to acts of wrath and tyranny. Refugees are one thing, but my neighbors are a brutal sort. They worry me considerably. What aid will you promise? Or would you throw me into risk with no payment of your own?

    32. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by shilly · · Score: 1

      Your view may be reasonable, but the Supreme Court has disagreed for many decades.

    33. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      So, European values don't actually include free expression.

      EU citizen here. I would rather live with these "restrictions" to free speech then with civil forfeiture or in a U.S. territory. And don't get me started with Gitmo.

    34. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by bentcd · · Score: 1

      So, European values don't actually include free expression.

      The values do but the laws don't. If you look at European freedom of speech laws then they all basically say, in different languages, "freedom of speech is guaranteed, insomuch as it's speech the government doesn't find objectionable". The exception is codified into the law itself.

      When your legal guarantee for freedom of speech is this vague, you only have as much freedom of speech at any given time as your govt is prepared to give you. Europe survives this by having a very strong tradition for freedom of speech and so for the most part your govt will let you say a lot of really stupid stuff before they lock you up.

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    35. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I look at certain websites (like Prison Planet) as places that aren't particularly trustworthy.

      Whether Paul Joseph Watson is sane or trustworthy I don't know, but there was a link to a Telegraph article:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11902296/Second-German-woman-evicted-from-her-home-to-make-way-for-refugees.html

      which at least I am not as immediately skeptical of, although I wonder if there's more to it. Is it a 4 bedroom home with only one person in it and they're trying to place a family of 5?

      It still doesn't seem fair if that's the case, but at least it doesn't seem quite as bad.

      Maybe they shouldn't have let so many immigrants in at once, but they have and housing them in shipping containers and cots in gyms are not long term solutions.

    36. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      "Free expression" doesn't include threats of violence or direct action against other people with a difference viewpoint/skin color/religion/etc. than yours.

      You can complain about them as much as you want, but you'll get banned (or possibly reported to the police) for making credible threats etc.

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    37. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      No one is stopping anyone from being critical or having an opinion.

      However, you will be banned or reported to the police if you make direct threats of violence or try to incite others to commit violence. It's not really that hard to understand.

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    38. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Uh no, your obvious strawman is showing.

      No one is going to ban honest criticism or the expression of opinions. But they ARE going to ban threats of violence or inciting others to commit violence. If you cannot see the difference, go DIAF.

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    39. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Threats of violence and the incitement of others to commit violence is banned (and this will now be more widely enforced). No one is going to stop you from posting an honest critical opinion.

      If you cannot express yourself without threatening others, you should probably just stop talking.

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    40. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably for exposure.

      Exposure to what?

      PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) perhaps?

    41. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Notice that none of the official 'leave' campaign spokespeople are making that claim.

      TTIP is an EU deal. Leave the EU and the UK will have TTISR - trans-atlantic trade and investment special relationship, that looks just like TTIP but with fewer protections for unions.

      I want to leave the EU and I don't want TTIP but don't fool yourself, the British Government wants TTIP more than it wants the EU - and it's officially campaigning to stay in the EU.

    42. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      If you do, of course, then I can commiserate with you over this world of sin in which we reside, however I do not hold these individuals to be exceptional, rather the woeful norm.

      Right, you already made it clear before that you don't care if what I said was substantiated. You're a bleeding heart liberal afraid to be "racist" who thinks that all people and all cultures are of equal moral character, and surely there's no problem importing a bunch of sexually aggressive and violent men who are intolerant of Western values and allowing them to live in a welfare state, statistics and obvious bellwether events be damned!

      Can you guarantee that I shall be free from arrest and imprisonment if I were to so?

      No, just like I couldn't guarantee that if you took one in you wouldn't be raped, robbed from, or bring crime to your neighborhood. But if you are so fearful of your neighbors, maybe you should move to the land of progressive paradise, Sweden, so you can be among your beloved Muslim immigrants, and help tend the flock.

    43. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by fgouget · · Score: 1

      So why are Gustave Courbet's famous painting and others being banned by Facebook? From what you said publishing the painting is just fine and it's the imminent action that may warrant the police to act. Whoops, said action, lying on a bed, happened in the 19th century so it's not imminent at all, and certainly not illegal. So really, why censor this painting?

    44. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 0

      No one is going to ban honest criticism or the expression of opinions. But they ARE going to ban threats of violence or inciting others to commit violence.

      Sorry, you're wrong on the facts and that is indeed what is going on.

      http://www.legal-project.org/4...

      http://www.breitbart.com/londo...

      http://heatst.com/tech/faceboo...

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...

      http://www.breitbart.com/tech/...

      http://www.mrctv.org/blog/main...

      http://christophercantwell.com...

      If you cannot see the difference, go DIAF.

      I love the hypocrisy of commanding me to "die in a fire" if I don't agree with your position.

    45. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by martinfb · · Score: 1

      .... Will bouncing back and forth between these too opposing goals cause so much friction that the interwebs actually catch on fire?

      The fire starts when illiterate, weakly-responsible people cannot even spell 3 letter words! However, it does signify who can be disregarded as TOO unaware TO listed to any banter about thew TWO 'opposing goals'!

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    46. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      No one is stopping anyone from being critical or having an opinion.

      However, you will be banned or reported to the police if you make direct threats of violence or try to incite others to commit violence. It's not really that hard to understand.

      The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

      I see no way this could be abused.

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    47. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      So why are Gustave Courbet's famous painting and others being banned by Facebook? From what you said publishing the painting is just fine and it's the imminent action that may warrant the police to act. Whoops, said action, lying on a bed, happened in the 19th century so it's not imminent at all, and certainly not illegal. So really, why censor this painting?

      Facebook is not a government entity and thus is free to ban whatever they want; even if it is a stupid decision it's not an free speech issue.

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    48. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, you already made it clear before that you don't care if what I said was substantiated. You're a bleeding heart liberal afraid to be "racist" who thinks that all people and all cultures are of equal moral character, and surely there's no problem importing a bunch of sexually aggressive and violent men who are intolerant of Western values and allowing them to live in a welfare state, statistics and obvious bellwether events be damned!

      Not at all, I don't care that you have yet to produce proof, because your objections as presented are not especially meaningful, as they lack merit for the reasons I already presented, so it matters not whether they're true or you're making them up.

      It's got nothing to do with however you characterize me, that's your own choice as to how you want to believe the situation is.

      But no, you haven't produced any statistics or anything. I understand you want to believe you have rationality and reason on your side, but that's been the claim of many bigots for centuries. Next you'll be telling me the shape of their skulls tells us everything we need to know.

      Pardon me for my obvious disdain, but you've got nothing, less than nothing.

      No, just like I couldn't guarantee that if you took one in you wouldn't be raped, robbed from, or bring crime to your neighborhood. But if you are so fearful of your neighbors, maybe you should move to the land of progressive paradise, Sweden, so you can be among your beloved Muslim immigrants, and help tend the flock.

      Then can you guarantee Sweden would allow me to become a citizen? No? Will you purchase my fixed property or guarantee me property in exchange in Sweden? No? Will you arrange transportation of my portable goods? No? Then that's an empty suggestion. Even if I wished to live there, which I don't, because I don't care for the weather. I doubt you'd even commit to fighting for my right to do as you suggest though. I doubt you'd even have the ability to commit to writing a letter telling my politicians to allow me to do as you suggest. I'd have little problem offering some a place in my house, except for the lack of bedrooms, but since I have some empty land, I'd gladly help them construct residences there, for which they could pay rent, and I'm sure there is work they could do, being healthy young men as you claim, so a net benefit for all.

      If only it were allowed. It will not be though, my neighbors would get up in arms about the mere thought.

      Anyway, I don't fear any Muslims as if they were somehow worse, the people around me are already quite objectionable and unpleasant. You're not convincing me to fear them, you're just convincing me that you want me to be afraid of them.

      But even if they are lions, I'm already beset by tigers and bears. And snakes. Lots of snakes.

      Why don't you care about the snakes I do have to face right now?

    49. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      they lack merit for the reasons I already presented

      Those "reasons" just being an assertion that all people are equally bad. That requires putting on blinders or pretzel twisting to explain what's going on in Europe due to immigration:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      https://www.rt.com/op-edge/345...

      http://www.breitbart.com/londo...

      http://www.breitbart.com/londo...

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      Then can you guarantee Sweden would allow me to become a citizen?

      Yes. Go to Sweden. Ditch your passport and any other identification. Claim asylum refugee status and claim to be under 18. Presto, you are in:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      Will you purchase my fixed property or guarantee me property in exchange in Sweden?

      Put it on the market and you will get market value.

      Will you arrange transportation of my portable goods?

      One must make some personal sacrifices to avoid their dastardly neighbors and help the poor migrants, right?

      But even if they are lions, I'm already beset by tigers and bears. And snakes. Lots of snakes. Why don't you care about the snakes I do have to face right now?

      Then provide details. Where do you live? What, exactly, have these horrible people done to you or others?

    50. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those "reasons" just being an assertion that all people are equally bad.

      Not quite, you must have forgot the original complaint you have, that it was young men of military age fleeing.

      Which I am not going to be surprised by, if it is true, since those persons would have a high incentive to flee when they don't want to be forced to fight.

      Though that makes them little different from many people, it is often prudent.

      That requires putting on blinders or pretzel twisting to explain what's going on in Europe due to immigration:

      Ah, the spewing of links. Well, at least you're getting towards actual evidence. Still, what you seem to want to make a claim is that somehow this group of people is exceptional? That'd be more believable if I can't find such accounts, both fake, and around the world in other forms. You may not have noticed the recent concerns about a certain university in the US, or a more local story where a police investigator dismissed sexual abuse as boys being boys, but...I have seen different news than you apparently.

      Yes. Go to Sweden. Ditch your passport and any other identification. Claim asylum refugee status and claim to be under 18. Presto, you are in:

      Oh, you want to encourage lying? No thanks! Honest dealings or nothing.

      But hey, you want a story? Try these:

      https://news.vice.com/article/the-us-keeps-mistakenly-deporting-its-own-citizens

      http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/07/02/u-s-settles-with-4-year-old-u-s-citizen-they-wrongfully-deported/

      http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/06/04/3665633/us-citizen-mistakenly-deported-mexico-3-years-now-feds-will-give-350k/

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      Put it on the market and you will get market value.

      Nope, you have to commit to it, you want something from me, I want something from you.

      One must make some personal sacrifices to avoid their dastardly neighbors and help the poor migrants, right?

      Nope. You must make a commitment to demonstrate to me that I should follow your suggestions.

      Then provide details. Where do you live? What, exactly, have these horrible people done to you or others?

      Oh, are you willing to come here and fight for my interests then? Are you committed to that?

      Because if you were willing, I could show you a long list of crimes, or even just slovenly indifference.

      But I doubt you'll even write to President Obama and tell him that we should admit more refugees, or to the governors of the fifty states, or a single senator or representative.

    51. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Not quite, you must have forgot the original complaint you have, that it was young men of military age fleeing.

      Which I am not going to be surprised by, if it is true, since those persons would have a high incentive to flee when they don't want to be forced to fight.

      No, you lost track of the thread and are going in circles. I already responded to the above claim with, "Most of the migrants are looking for money, not fleeing war." And if I substantiate this, you will fall back to everybody being equally evil, as you already made clear.

      Still, what you seem to want to make a claim is that somehow this group of people is exceptional? That'd be more believable if I can't find such accounts, both fake, and around the world in other forms.

      It is exceptional in the Western world, and is a recent problem due to immigration. Can you find stories of swimming pool problems in Sweden before mass migration? Can you find stories of sexual gang assaults in Germany before mass migration?

      You may not have noticed the recent concerns about a certain university in the US, or a more local story where a police investigator dismissed sexual abuse as boys being boys, but...I have seen different news than you apparently.

      Please be specific with links to actual news stories, not vagueness.

      Oh, you want to encourage lying? No thanks! Honest dealings or nothing.

      Why not? Clearly being honest is of no concern to the immigration authorities in Sweden. You'd just partaking in the system you are defending.

      Nope, you have to commit to it, you want something from me, I want something from you.

      No, I want you to put up your own effort and valuables instead of volunteering that of others since the immigrants are of such concern to you.

      But hey, you want a story? Try these:

      The average citizen in the US does not have to worry about being deported. But the average women where mass migration has occurred now has to be worried about being sexually assaulted. How many rapes, sexual assault, and harrassment as a result of mass migration are you ok with?

      Because if you were willing, I could show you a long list of crimes, or even just slovenly indifference.

      Well if you're going to cry about your neighbors being as bad as sexually violent immigrants, real details on where you live and what they've done that's so bad would substantiate your argument. I at least gave real examples when pressed.

    52. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by fgouget · · Score: 1

      Facebook is not a government entity and thus is free to ban whatever they want;

      I did not say otherwise. But you implied they were only banning content based on legal obligations. This is obviously false.

      even if it is a stupid decision it's not an free speech issue.

      Which is the stupid decision? Banning legal content to please some prudes or agreeing to ban terrorist recruitment campaigns? It seems to me people have a very twisted sense of priorities.

    53. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Facebook is not a government entity and thus is free to ban whatever they want;

      I did not say otherwise. But you implied they were only banning content based on legal obligations. This is obviously false.

      I did not mean to imply they were only banning due to legal obligations; merely that FB and other private companies can ban based on any criteria they chose since they are private companies.

      even if it is a stupid decision it's not an free speech issue.

      Which is the stupid decision? Banning legal content to please some prudes or agreeing to ban terrorist recruitment campaigns? It seems to me people have a very twisted sense of priorities.

      Again, I can agree or disagree with their decision but it is their choice to make.Most reasonable people could come up with a list of the types of content they feel should be banned; when governments get involved then it becomes censorship, even if we agree with what is banned.

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    54. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by fgouget · · Score: 1

      Again, I can agree or disagree with their decision but it is their choice to make.Most reasonable people could come up with a list of the types of content they feel should be banned; when governments get involved then it becomes censorship, even if we agree with what is banned.

      But you'll notice that what's in the news is not a law forcing Facebook to ban some content, but Facebook freely agreeing to do so. So it's not censorship.

    55. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Anything can be abused if you're creative enough, even your precious free speech*.

      * Which is not the same as the right to say anything you want without consequence.

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    56. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Your sources are predominantly batshit insane libertarian cuckoo wacko misinformation.

      So let me please repeat my suggestion to kindly go DIAF.

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    57. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Again, I can agree or disagree with their decision but it is their choice to make.Most reasonable people could come up with a list of the types of content they feel should be banned; when governments get involved then it becomes censorship, even if we agree with what is banned.

      But you'll notice that what's in the news is not a law forcing Facebook to ban some content, but Facebook freely agreeing to do so. So it's not censorship.

      I agree it is not censorship since it was not a government passing a law requiring them to do so. The underlying law making hate speech illegal, which is censorship; even if you agree with its intent.

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    58. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by fgouget · · Score: 1

      Most reasonable people could come up with a list of the types of content they feel should be banned; when governments get involved then it becomes censorship, even if we agree with what is banned.

      You're wrong here. Censorship can also be carried out by private entities. References: ACLU, Oxford dictionary, Encyclopedia Britannica, Wikipedia.

    59. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Most reasonable people could come up with a list of the types of content they feel should be banned; when governments get involved then it becomes censorship, even if we agree with what is banned.

      You're wrong here. Censorship can also be carried out by private entities. References: ACLU, Oxford dictionary, Encyclopedia Britannica, Wikipedia.

      I simply disagree that is censorship. Private organization's can chose what they want to say and how, simply because they chose not to speak is not censorship since it is a personal choice; I only consider it censorship if a governmental body prevents them from speaking.

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    60. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you lost track of the thread and are going in circles.

      Not at all, you lost track of the thread, and forgot my original response to your claim about the age of the people involved. You said they were military-age men, I worry not over that, from my perspective they're the most likely to want to flee when they don't want to be in the military.

      I already responded to the above claim with, "Most of the migrants are looking for money, not fleeing war." And if I substantiate this, you will fall back to everybody being equally evil, as you already made clear.

      You mean after I showed my indifference to your conjecture about their age, you came up with another unproven claim, that was somehow supposed to upset me? Yet it was itself of no further merit. People looking for money? Oh my goodness, what a concept. I can find those all over.

      So again, you find me indifferent. Do you expect me to believe that only people who want to work for the betterment of mankind as a whole should be allowed to be refugees?

      It is exceptional in the Western world, and is a recent problem due to immigration.

      No, I'm afraid it isn't. The Western world has been full of sexual abuse, and still only barely does anything about it. Or finds excuses to do nothing, as is the case in US prisons.

      Can you find stories of swimming pool problems in Sweden before mass migration? Can you find stories of sexual gang assaults in Germany before mass migration?

      Why? Is sexual abuse less of a problem if it's not fitting those particular criteria? Germany has documented problems with sexual abuse in orphanages and among the Catholic Priesthood. And the US and Soviet military occupations also had their share of problems.

      Not to mention complaints about its own reporting and handling of the issues of reporting sex abuse in general. Of course, if you wanted to see how Germans were when they were refugees, it wasn't too many decades ago, and you might see that they too had problems. Or you know, their own conduct as an occupying force.

      Not that the other sides were any different. Disrupt the bounds of society, and things go poorly. It'd be one thing if you were genuinely acknowledging and seeking to correct for that, then I'd credit you with a valid and reasonable concern.

      Yet it seems to me you're judging, and condemning, looking for an excuse to refuse.

      Please be specific with links to actual news stories, not vagueness.

      Why? You can look them up with a simple search at a news aggregator of your choice, they're not hidden news. Really, one of the guys who just resigned was even reasonable famous himself.

      Why not? Clearly being honest is of no concern to the immigration authorities in Sweden. You'd just partaking in the system you are defending.

      What defense of Sweden? You keep making things up, as you seem to have an idea about what I'm saying that you prefer to believe, rather than recognizing what I'm doing is attacking your comments.

      No wonder you can't get an idea why being honest is an actual legitimate concern for somebody.

      Nope, you have to commit to it, you want something from me, I want something from you.

      No, I want you to put up your own effort and valuables instead of volunteering that of others since the immigrants are of such concern to you.

      Nope, you demand it be yielded, thus showing that my efforts and valuable are no concern to you, since you'll happily demand I give them up, you'll even expect me to lie.

      Sorry, but you lack sufficient integrity of your own.

      The average citizen in the US does not have to worry about being deported. But the average women where mass migration has occurred now has to be worried about being sexually assaulted. How many rapes, sexual assault, and harras

    61. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 2

      They're right-wing sources with evidence to back them up. But since the left has no interest on reporting incidents like this, you feel free to dismiss them out of hand.

      And still loving how you want me to die in a fire when you claim only violent posts will be censored. What a hypocrite and an asshole to boot.

    62. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by fgouget · · Score: 1

      I simply disagree that is censorship. Private organization's can chose what they want to say and how, simply because they chose not to speak is not censorship since it is a personal choice

      You're looking at this wrong: it's not Facebook which is expressing the deleted opinion, it's the user. The user has no say on whether or not his opinion remains visible so it's not "personal choice". It's censorship.

    63. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Not at all, you lost track of the thread, and forgot my original response to your claim about the age of the people involved.

      This is beyond stupid. Despite your protests, you are indeed going in circles. I can't have "forgotten" your initial response when I already responded to it.

      People looking for money? Oh my goodness, what a concept. I can find those all over.

      Well of course you don't care. You're a bleeding heart liberal who sees none of the problems with mass migration and welfare and no worries about what cost others will have to bear. But you yourself don't go out of your way to make personal sacrifices, do you? Even if you don't like the weather that is already too much for you.

      But beyond that, the left media goes out of their way to paint a scenario, "think of the women and children fleeing war!", which has more traction with the average person, than a bunch of violent and sexually aggressive men looking for money. That you see no difference just puts you into the liberal loony bin. That I have or have not substantiated this makes no difference, since you've already declared you care not about the difference!

      Why? Is sexual abuse less of a problem if it's not fitting those particular criteria?

      It's an indication of new problems that the migrants are bringing with them of a bold and widespread nature, and highlights the mindset of the migrants themselves. The average woman is now in much more danger of being sexually assaulted than she used to be where mass migration has occurred. If you had a daughter/wife/sister in your house, would you feel comfortable inviting them to stay with you? Why is this increase in sexual crime acceptable?

      Disrupt the bounds of society, and things go poorly. It'd be one thing if you were genuinely acknowledging and seeking to correct for that, then I'd credit you with a valid and reasonable concern.

      This is hilarious. What the fuck to you think a mass migration of sexually aggressive and violent men, who don't share Western values, is going to do but disrupt the bounds of society?

      Why? You can look them up with a simple search at a news aggregator of your choice, they're not hidden news.

      1) It's your responsibility to back up your own claims, not mine. 2) Even if I wanted to do your work for you, which I don't, you were so vague I'd have to end up guessing what you meant. 3) You're a hypocrite, because you've already cast aspersions when I didn't immediately substantiate claims. I've since done so, even though you've also made it clear you wouldn't change your position regardless.

      well, in the US, the average woman DOES have to worry about being sexually assaulted, it is a serious concern in many places

      So where are these gang rape stories in the US? And the mass immigration that's going on now is occurring in places like Germany and Sweden, bringing problems that were not there before.

      But no, I don't even need to give local examples.

      Right, so you're just blowing smoke and unwilling to substantiate your claims when asked to.

      As I said, I'm offering up my home and property already, all you have to do is convince my local government to allow it to happen.

      Why would I try to convince your local government to do something I don't believe in? The fact is you can go elsewhere to volunteer your own effort and expense to help out migrants. But it's much easier to assure yourself that you'd hypothetically help if given the chance, while volunteering other people's money, property, and well-being instead.

    64. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I simply disagree that is censorship. Private organization's can chose what they want to say and how, simply because they chose not to speak is not censorship since it is a personal choice

      You're looking at this wrong: it's not Facebook which is expressing the deleted opinion, it's the user. The user has no say on whether or not his opinion remains visible so it's not "personal choice". It's censorship.

      To me it is irrelevant who originally posted the content; the site owner gets to decide the rules and users can accept them or go elsewhere. The assumption that a site has an obligation to allow anyone to post what they want and not to remove it lest they be accused of censorship is, IMHO, incorrect. People throw around terms like censorship to make someone appear to being doing something evil in an attempt to get them to do what they want; but what they are really doing is limiting their freedom of speech.

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    65. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by shilly · · Score: 1

      The user has no choice as to whether their opinion remains visible on FB. But free speech doesn't mean you're guaranteed any one particular platform on which to express your views, and the user has plenty of other places to publish their views. They could ultimately go to Speakers Corner in London and stand on a soapbox and shout, for free, and without fettering. Lots of people do just that.

      Equally, if I've created my whizzbang social media site, I don't see why I should be obliged to allow people to use it if they express a desire to kill all members of minority X or whatever other views I find obnoxious. It's my site, after all.

    66. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by fgouget · · Score: 1

      But free speech doesn't mean you're guaranteed any one particular platform on which to express your views,

      Not saying the contrary. Just that what Facebook is doing is still called censoring its users' speech.

      and the user has plenty of other places to publish their views.

      Until one site gets a near monopoly. Not there yet, but getting there...

    67. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is beyond stupid. Despite your protests, you are indeed going in circles. I can't have "forgotten" your initial response when I already responded to it.

      Yes, you can, if you state something that reflects a condition that shows a lack of cognizance of it. Which you did, when you made your statement above. Well, I suppose there could be an alternative explanation, like you simply being overhasty in your speaking, but no, you certainly can forget things, being human, it is easy to do so. Our memories are often quite weak.

      Well of course you don't care. You're a bleeding heart liberal who sees none of the problems with mass migration and welfare and no worries about what cost others will have to bear.

      You're conjecturing about me again. It's really a total waste of your time. But after I rejected your complaint about their ages, your next complaint was that these people were looking for money. A condition that makes them no different than any number of others. So you're not changing the conditions under which I exist, now are you?

      But yes, I did say I would offer them a job, I have work that a healthy young man could do, and I could even provide them with space where they could live.

      If I were allowed to do so. I am not. If I tried, men with guns would stop me. And you won't even ask them not to do so.

      But you yourself don't go out of your way to make personal sacrifices, do you? Even if you don't like the weather that is already too much for you.

      Why would I want to move somewhere with weather conditions I don't like? I don't expect you to want to do so, and all you're offering me is random comments about being able to do something in Sweden if I lie to get there.

      No, I'll gladly do it at home, rather than go somewhere I don't want to be, and where your only suggested way for me to get there is to lie to do so.

      Seriously, you're asking for wasteful actions, I don't expect you to do anything wasteful, why do you demand it from me?

      But beyond that, the left media goes out of their way to paint a scenario, "think of the women and children fleeing war!", which has more traction with the average person, than a bunch of violent and sexually aggressive men looking for money. That you see no difference just puts you into the liberal loony bin. That I have or have not substantiated this makes no difference, since you've already declared you care not about the difference!

      Hmm, the thing is, I've seen the opposite depiction from those around me, they're convinced, convinced of the absolute horrors of a variety of persons, who fit descriptions of minorities, and they have their own media that paints that scenario for them.

      But you're right, it makes no difference, since I can already find those horrors around me as it is. Plenty of violence, plenty of sexual misbehavior, plenty of fraud, plenty of just plain indifference.

      It's an indication of new problems that the migrants are bringing with them of a bold and widespread nature, and highlights the mindset of the migrants themselves. The average woman is now in much more danger of being sexually assaulted than she used to be where mass migration has occurred. If you had a daughter/wife/sister in your house, would you feel comfortable inviting them to stay with you? Why is this increase in sexual crime acceptable?

      What increase in sexual crime? It's already there. Heck, I just had a conversation a few weeks ago with a couple of people going on and on about how they'd shoot anybody that molested their daughters while complaining about efforts against the recent NC law about bathrooms. They were completely oblivious to actual existing problems of sexual predation.

      But they sure went on about that Obama, and how they wanted to shoot folks who they imagined were threatening their daughters. Yet they refused to even consider Dennis

    68. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      In the news that you're apparently refusing to look at?

      You mean the news you refuse to cite. I will gladly look if you back up your own claims. But you don't want to be pinned down, do you? Instead you try to foist your own failure onto me. Shameful, that.

      But no, I don't even need to give local examples.

      You do if you claim your neighbors are the snakes. You again are trying to dodge and avoid backing up your claims. Really hypocritical after all those aspersions you cast on me for not substantiating before being asked to, even when you make clear that the substantiation means nothing to you anyways.

      Oh no, they had plenty of problems before. You probably just weren't aware of them.

      Then cite them. What gang rapes in Germany occurred before the mass immigration? Why does Sweden need roving body guards of feminists to prevent groping and new swimming pool rules when not before?

      The reality is you've got your hand in the sand and believe everything is equal because you can point to cases of individuals like Hastert.

      You're just interested in trying to create your own image of moral superiority so you can put yourself on a pedestal.

      Nope. I'm taking the callous attitude and not willing to fuck up my society for migrants. If I could wave my magic wand and make the migrants lives better without subtracting from mine or others I would. I'm just not going to be a blind idiot when it comes to helping other people.

      Me, I don't even expect to give up or sacrifice anything, I believe it would be to my advantage to be able to get people able to productively utilize my land.

      So do it now. You think there are no people that could use your help without importing them into another country?

    69. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      No, they're right-wing source that deliberately spin their sources and creatively leave out the parts that could make people question their conclusions. Propaganda is always the same, no matter which part of the political spectrum it comes from. You're blindly trusting everything they say, probably only because they reinforce the opinions you already have, in your little echo chamber. If you would actually bother to read the sites you linked again, with critical eyes, you would see that they're all extremely slanted and use bits and pieces of tangentially-related new items to further their hateful agenda. There's a reason those stories aren't reported in the same way on mainstream news sites, because breitbart.com etc. are blatantly political spin sites.

      And no, I'm actually 100% serious. Go suck on a tailpite, French kiss a double-barreled shotgun, stuff a rattlesnake down your pants.

      All of you libertarian right-wing invisible hands of the free market fuckers ruined the economy and screwed millions of people out of their homes and livelyhoods, all for a bit of personal profit. We're gonna hit a financial crisis again in a couple of years, all because of your unfettered greed and disregard for human life.

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    70. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      No, they're right-wing source that deliberately spin their sources and creatively leave out the parts that could make people question their conclusions.

      Feel free to point out actual details instead of painting with a broad brush. For example, the Lauren Southern case was documented with video and Facebook later rescinded the block after it got widespread attention, which was quite embarrassing for Facebook since they just got through meeting with conservatives assuring them that no censorship of the right was going on.

      And no, I'm actually 100% serious. Go suck on a tailpite, French kiss a double-barreled shotgun, stuff a rattlesnake down your pants.

      Of course you are. That's what makes you a hypocrite and an asshole.

    71. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Feel free to point out actual details instead of painting with a broad brush.

      No need, it's all bullshit.

      Of course you are. That's what makes you a hypocrite and an asshole.

      A proud asshole. The whole point is that I'm tired of arguing with fact-resistant extremists, it's much more fun to just insult them.

      Have a nice weekend, go eat a hot dog. I hope you choke on it :-)

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    72. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the news that you're apparently refusing to look at?

      You mean the news you refuse to cite. I will gladly look if you back up your own claims. But you don't want to be pinned down, do you? Instead you try to foist your own failure onto me. Shameful, that.

      I don't find it difficult to find. It's not hard to go to an aggregator like Google News or Bing News and see results, in fact, there's another one in a Brooklyn high school., as well as one in Brazil.

      Oh wait, you don't want to look. Because that scares you. You'll have to admit that sex abuse remains a serious global problem, and that means you can't use it as an excuse.

      You do if you claim your neighbors are the snakes. You again are trying to dodge and avoid backing up your claims. Really hypocritical after all those aspersions you cast on me for not substantiating before being asked to, even when you make clear that the substantiation means nothing to you anyways.

      You keep cutting my reasoning. So I'll keep repeating it.

      But no, I don't even need to give local examples. There's plenty in the US national news. The aforementioned Speaker, Bill Cosby, Joe Paterno, and more. Not to mention other crimes like fraud, as the Theranos story shows, and more. Or crimes of violence, both by the police, and the incessant complaints of gang warfare.

      I get it, YOU don't want to realize why I have no need to give you local examples, because there are plenty of identifiable national ones. That's why you refuse to even look around yourself. You're scared by what you'll see.

      But no, your substantiation meant nothing, for the reasons I gave, which you continually want to ignore, and not address. Notice how you've chosen to take them out. You can't tell me that it's unexpected for young men to want to flee a war zone where they are likely to be conscripted, you can't tell me that they're somehow wrong for wanting money, just like so many others do.

      That's why your ability to sustain them means nothing.

      Besides, you won't even commit to condemning my neighbors, so why should I identify them for you? It won't serve any purpose.

      Then cite them. What gang rapes in Germany occurred before the mass immigration? Why does Sweden need roving body guards of feminists to prevent groping and new swimming pool rules when not before?

      The reality is you've got your hand in the sand and believe everything is equal because you can point to cases of individuals like Hastert.

      You really can't come right out and say that Hastert was bad, can you? Or that individuals like him are a poison to society, that exists independent of your presented concerns? You have to make my concern for a problem to somehow be my head in the sand. No, I think you have your head in the mud, because you won't realize the real extent of the problem.

      Just like you can't realize that Germany and Sweden did have problems with handling sex abuse and rape of their own, you're just upset about a few details, without looking over the much worse picture. Heck, groping in swimming pools? I hate to tell you this, but lifeguards have had that problem for decades now. It's also a problem in public streets and at high schools. Sad, really.

      And gang rapes, perhaps you don't know about the aftermath of WW2, but there's been plenty of books on it. You want to tell me you think it's bad?

      Yeah, so what? It's not like you're planning on doing anything except using it as an excuse to do nothing.

      Nope. I'm taking the callous attitude and not willing to fuck up my society for migrants. If I could wave my magic wand and make the migrants lives better without subtracting from mine or others I would. I'm just not going to be a blind idiot when it comes to helping other people.

      Which callous attitude you portray as necessary to save what you consider to be at risk of h arm. That's putting yoursel

    73. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      No need, it's all bullshit.

      Of course it is. The left never lies, and the right always lies, so need to concern yourself with pesky facts that counter the narrative. Just get your news from Pravda and all is good.

      A proud asshole.

      Don't forget also being a hypocrite.

      The whole point is that I'm tired of arguing with fact-resistant extremists, it's much more fun to just insult them.

      Good job, hypocrite, of describing yourself perfectly.

      Have a nice weekend, go eat a hot dog. I hope you choke on it :-)

      Why do you love hate speech so much but think others should be censored? No need to actually answer that, we know it's because you're a hypocrite.

    74. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Oh wait, you don't want to look. Because that scares you.

      No, you don't want to cite, because you're scared of being pinned down. You've been very hypocritical on this matter, are shirking your responsibilities, and trying to pin your failures on me. Since this has already been pointed out and we're going in circles, I'm done.

    75. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I see you've found a new favorite word. Well done, I'm sure your parents are really proud of you :-)

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    76. Re:Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      What can I say, if the shoe fits... hypocrite.

    77. Re: Holy Mutually Exclusive Things, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you don't want to cite, because you're scared of being pinned down.

      Except I've already made my case, that people around me are snakes, and that sex abuses continue across the world, an observation you could readily notice, and I've given you examples you could easily find yourself. That instead of looking for them, you blame me, well, that isn't in your favor at all.

      It's not hidden news. It may not be on the sites you frequent, but there are plenty of aggregators that will help you. You haven't even said "I've had a problem locating them, can you help" but stated a refusal to look.

      Well, that's a big problem. A parade of links won't change your inability to look, that's a choice, and it reflects entirely on yourself.

      Sorry, but I know that your portrayal of this discussion is not entirely accurate, so I reject your accusations.

      You've been very hypocritical on this matter, are shirking your responsibilities, and trying to pin your failures on me.

      And from my perspective, you're the one being hypocritical, you blame a bunch of Muslim men for conduct you consider abhorrent, yet won't raise a single word of disapproval towards similar existing conduct by others. You couldn't even say anything negative about Dennis Hastert, even though he admitted to the crime of child molestation as a teacher. And then got chosen Speaker of the US House. You wouldn't speak about Joe Paterno. You wouldn't speak about two recent stories I named for you. You've just deleted them, and expected me to forget I said them.

      But I didn't. And I have noticed your silence.

      Since this has already been pointed out and we're going in circles, I'm done.

      Oh, you're just now getting to this discussion being fruitless? I could have told you that from the start, but I'd attribute the blame for it to you, as you won't be changed from your course, you won't commit yourself to doing anything. But I'd call it a wall, rather than a circle. A circle implies going somewhere, you're just stuck in an alley and won't come out.

      But I've known that since you started regurgitating your empty complaints about "bleeding heart liberals" and "progressive paradise" which as I said, says something about you, not me.

      Instead of chastising me, you should have reflected on yourself, and your willingness to leap to such accusations. Why do you think it's so valid to castigate others in such a hateful manner? Do you understand your reasons for acting in that manner?

      But I think instead of considering that, you will simply stomp off in your tantrum.

  6. Emacs by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank goodness. Now I am free to express my view that Emacs is the best editor and no one can attack me!

    1. Re:Emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank goodness. Now I am free to express my view that Emacs is the best editor and no one can attack me!

      vim for the win! When you are bored with your Emacs operating system come over to vim, the text editor. :-)

    2. Re:Emacs by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      No, no, no. It's obvious this is a victory for vi users everywhere, er, in Europe!

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    3. Re:Emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Users of vi merely strengthen the argument of those who advocate involuntary euthanasia.

    4. Re:Emacs by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness. Now I am free to express my view that Emacs is the best editor and no one can attack me!

      Why would we? Using Emacs is punishment enough.

    5. Re:Emacs by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

      Why would we? Using Emacs is punishment enough.

      ...I thought that was iMacs

    6. Re:Emacs by PPH · · Score: 1

      M-x doctor

      Emacs is the best editor and no one can attack me!

      Why do you say that?

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  7. who decides what is "hate speech"??? by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    exactly. who gets to decide what hate speech is real and what is imagined? will facts equal hate speech??? will not believing in some political views equal hate speech???

    this is going to go very very badly

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    1. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      Will saying "I hate Monday" equal hate speech and if it does then that's a lot of posts to delete.

    2. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate speech, like it or not, is part of having a free society. RIP, Europe.

    3. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by lgw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hasn't it already gone very badly in some countries? When an MP is arrested for hate speech for a speech given on the floor of parliament, it has gone very badly. When it's illegal to discuss (one side of) a political issue, such as immigration, even by lawmakers it has gone very badly indeed.

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    4. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by will_die · · Score: 1

      The various governments already do that and already have laws in place. It is just that these tech companies are now going to start enforcing local laws.
      One example as a guest worker in a European country, I was not allowed to criticize the government and I had to sign a form agreeing to that when I had to do the various paperwork.

    5. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by geek · · Score: 4, Informative

      will facts equal hate speech??? will not believing in some political views equal hate speech???

      Yes

    6. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by PPH · · Score: 2

      The details will be outlined in your next edition of Newspeak.

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    7. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's simple. Harassment and hate speech is anything that disagrees with me or that I find uncomfortable or offensive.

      You're welcome.

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    8. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      One example as a guest worker in a European country, I was not allowed to criticize the government

      Are you serious here or joking? Because if that's true, it's beyond creepy. Everyone should be allowed to criticize their government (or anyone else's).

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    9. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by zuxun · · Score: 1

      Hate speech is when you have the political view that the arabs should leave your country

    10. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, no, no. That's the prelude to badly. When you stop people from discussing and protesting things they disagree with, it's what comes next that's the reall things going badly.

    11. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by INT_QRK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Hate Speech" - Noun, (1) Any speech about which the Left disapproves or consider contradictory to Leftist goals or objectives. (2) A political term to justify censorship or persecution on enemies. See Stalin, Joseph.

    12. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you are the one required to wear the Yellow Star of David on your outer most garment.

    13. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People get so touchy just because someone blows up a few buildings, kills a few people, rapes a few women, and makes a few neighborhoods into no-go zones for non-Muslims. Jeez.

    14. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Seriously, how desperate are you that you actually took the job?

    15. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... I mean.. your average Trump speech in the US would end up getting filtered

    16. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was born on a monday so you are really saying you want me to die.

    17. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      The racist hate movement against Monday inspired mass shooter Brenda Spencer

    18. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      Let me try (IANAL) to translate the law as it is valid in one of the EU members:

      Whoever threatens an individual or a group of people due their race, ethnicity, skin color, origin or religion, if the excuse for the threat due aforementioned reasons is committing a crime, restriction of rights and freedoms or whoever carries out such restriction or whoever is inciting restrictions of rights and freedoms of some nation,nationality, race, ethnic group will be punished by imprisonment up to 3 years

      Whoever publicly
      a)incites violence or hate against group of people or an individual due their affiliation to some race, nation, nationality, skin color, ethnic group, origin or religion, if it is an excuse for inciting due aforementioned reasons or
      b) defames such group or individual or is threatening them by publicly excusing a genocide, crime against humanity, or war crime (as defined by articles 6, 7 and 8 of Roman institute of International Court or Nuremberg Charter ) if such act was committed against such group or individual or if the perpetrator of such crime was finally declared guilty by international court or publicly denies or derogates such act committed against such person will be punished by imprisonment from 1 up to 3 years

      It is a bit of a lawyer-speak, but I can't really say I disagree with that and it's not going to change as result of this new EU regulation. Can you point out what's wrong with that?

    19. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by b0bby · · Score: 1

      When an MP is arrested for hate speech for a speech given on the floor of parliament, it has gone very badly.

      If you're referring to Geert Wilders, his arrest was for a speech at a rally, not in parliament.

    20. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      a)incites violence or hate against group of people or an individual due their affiliation to some race, nation, nationality, skin color, ethnic group, origin or religion,

      How do you define hate? If someone points out issues with say the Church of Scientology that casts them in a bad light does that qualify as hate speech? Will companies throw in the towel and simply remove anything with > X complaints giving in to astroturfing hate complaints as a way to stifle legitimate criticism? As with many ideas, the theory may turn out to be far better than the practice

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    21. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      So, does this mean people who refer to "rape culture" will finally be forced to shut up?

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    22. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Butters: Do I have to, sir?

      PC Principal: All I'm asking you to do is go through their social media and delete the two or three comments that are mean.

      Butters: PC Principal, ah I don't think you quite realize how much negative stuff I have to sift through.

    23. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Illegal hate speech is the target. Legal hate speech, as in speech which is ambiguously hateful or a fact is still cromulent. The thing is that the most powerful hate speech is the one consisting of solely facts, but represented in the way that creates the emotional response without the listener even noticing it. The propaganda used during the last WW was like that: people went into the movies to see the news and came out feeling and thinking antisemitic feelings and thoughts.

    24. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2

      You're not a lawyer, as you said, so obviously you're missing the reason why the above is pretty fucked up.

      First of all there's no clear definition of what constitutes a 'threat' against those groups, and it is established international law that 'refugees' have the right of asylum. So let's say you don't like economic (or even civil war) refugees coming to your country in the hundreds of thousands due to their way of life. (patriarchal, non-democratic, etc, views/actions) Send them back / keep them out.

      Make a facebook post about the subject and suddenly you have made a 'threat' against a race/origin/religion/... and their 'freedoms' and 'rights'. We do after all have some signed papers regarding the rights of refugees.

      And the law is so broad it will put random people in front of judges until they can show how retarded the law is, and that is going to take years to sort out which means during the next couple of decades you'd better be using an anonymous account and TOR if you want to say something the 'people' don't like you saying.

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    25. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      Bingo. Hateful stupid people usually think they're doing it right. Letting them vent gives them the learning opportunity of having a listener say, "Are you stupid, and/or angry?) Bottle up their speech, and that anger and stupidity will bust out somewhere. You'll be wishing you'd just let 'em speak. It really doesn't hurt near as much as the alternatives.

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    26. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by medv4380 · · Score: 1

      Same person who gets to decide it in the US. Mr. Z

    27. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by will_die · · Score: 1

      Why would I care if I could not criticize that government? It was not mine and even then I could not vote.

    28. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by rastos1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oxford Dictionary:
      threat: noun; a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

      So if I post "I don't want them to come to my country because they will overload and ruin our social system" it's not a threat. If I post "we should beat the crap out of Syrians coming to establish Sharia law in my country", yes that is a threat.

      The law that I quoted, is not something that is new. It exists for decades and there are at about 2-3 cases per year,where it is applied in a court (and it makes headlines). I.e. I don't see it creating the mess you forecast. That can change as the refugee crisis mounts up again, but that is yet to be seen.

    29. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      lawyer speak says we can pick apart each word here. who decides what is a threat? and how serious does the threat need to be???

      what incites you might not incite the masses, but it still incited you, is that hate speech? with trigger warnings now everything is hate speech to some group.

      this is not the correct answer, the correct answer is to let the haters talk

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    30. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I find that view offensive, please remove it.

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    31. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually that is about 1/7 of the worlds population, which is genocide. pr0fessor belongs in a re-education camp.

    32. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      yeah was going to ask, are muslims exempt from this?

    33. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Atrox666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      SJWs of course. All those people can get off welfare and use those gender studies degrees.

      Only really serious hate speech, like disagreeing with anything a woman or person of colour says.

      It'll be fine, and if you disagree you will be required to get a 2 inch tall tattoo on your forehead that says "Shitlord".

    34. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by tsqr · · Score: 1

      exactly. who gets to decide what hate speech is real and what is imagined?

      According to TFS, it will be Microsoft, Twitter, YouTube, Google, and Facebook. And, you can look at the "code of conduct" here.

    35. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Actually that is about 1/7 of the worlds population, which is genocide. pr0fessor belongs in a re-education camp.

      Since the group of people born on Monday is not a national, racial, political, or cultural group, it's not genocide. But it could help mitigate Climate Change, so it's not all bad.

    36. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you shouldn't care but their are reasons for citizens and voters of that country to care, its bad to remove free speech for anyone. More likely than not it was illegal to make you sign a contract that gave away those rights.

    37. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      will facts equal hate speech??? will not believing in some political views equal hate speech???

      I think that we're already there. Certainly Brendan Eich fits in this category. Don't go with political process and your career, and maybe more, will suffer.

    38. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by alexhs · · Score: 1

      AFAIK it's not true. At least, not in any country of the European Union. Maybe Belarus (I was there with a <3 months visa, maybe different for longer term) , Ukraine or another former soviet bloc country, Turkey...

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    39. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only really serious hate speech, like disagreeing with anything a woman or person of colour says.

      Strawman arguments are lies.

    40. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by pruedz · · Score: 1

      Hate Speech is part of the Free Speech indeed. But Google, Facebook,Microsoft or whatever is obliged to host it. Law protects people from being prosecuted, jailed or arrested for their ideias or speech. Law does not protects people from consequences. If you loose your job or get banned from Facebook due massive reporting, no one is seizing your free speech rights, they are just saying to you to be a douche elsewhere.

    41. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Which country was that? The UK has parliamentary privilege, which means MPs can't be sued or prosecuted for anything they say there. It's been used to bust injunctions, for example.

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    42. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by lgw · · Score: 1

      There was a case in the UK where an MP was taken to a police station ("arrested", or do you say it "helping the police with an inquiry"?), but not prosecuted. But the UK is far from the worst in this arena.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    43. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's not simple at all. As the summary points it, it's a legal definition. I know reading the article is unfashionable, but the summary isn't too much to ask is it?

      Anyway, the problem is that legal definitions vary. It could be difficult for international companies like Facebook.

      They have some legal obligation in the counties they operate in, regardless. Nothing new, only the pledge to act quickly.

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    44. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      no, it's speak your mind, and when america changes its mind and no longer agrees with you... watch out. you'll be out of a job.

    45. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      A quick search turns up nothing. Which MP was it?

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    46. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a code of conduct and not a law for a reason.

      If it was a law, the adressee of a hate speech would be overruled in his legal options. That would effectively mean de-humanizing the victims.

    47. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would happen to someone saying "send them back to their own country" if that country is a war zone? That would bring those sent back at least mental anguish. There are many actions that can lead to more suffering for refugees that aren't calls to violence, how will they be judged? Such fine distinctions can be used as a way to selectively prosecute those who espouse the wrong political beliefs elsewhere.

    48. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by reboot246 · · Score: 2

      I know some will label this post as "hate speech", but from my perspective most Europeans are pansies and even saying 'hello' to some of them is hate speech.

      In this country we have a whole generation of pansies whose feelings get hurt over nearly anything. Just think, Europe is ahead of the US by 10 to 15 years so we'll have it as bad here as they do there in a little while.

      Damn, I'm glad I'm old and won't live to see the end of civilization!

    49. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Israel and jewish interest groups, as is already the case. Anytime a poster has an opinion against Israel, Israelis or jews, the post is decried as antisemitism, regardless of whether or not that is actually the case.

    50. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hate speech, like it or not, is part of having a free society. RIP, Europe.

      Hate speech is free speech you don't like.

    51. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Which country was this?

    52. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Captain Nignog. He said horrible things regarding Mr Budbud-Dingding's gollywog museum for the reluctant sambo backshafter.

    53. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by BoberFett · · Score: 2

      People love to fall back on the "It's a private service" argument, but that's nonsense. These companies aren't agreeing to spend their money on policing speech because they're caring corporations who want to help people. They're doing it because governments are pressuring them to do it. Governments are using corporations to get around the rules and do things governments aren't supposed to be able to do.

      We call that fascism.

    54. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      yeah was going to ask, are muslims exempt from this?

      Until the next election, yes. Legislation like this represents lobbying by university battleaxe women to protect their pet minorities from criticism.

    55. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The various governments already do that and already have laws in place. It is just that these tech companies are now going to start enforcing local laws.

      One example as a guest worker in a European country, I was not allowed to criticize the government and I had to sign a form agreeing to that when I had to do the various paperwork.

      A friend of mine who is a closeted gay man was required ("strongly suggested") by his company that if he really wanted to get further sponsorship on his Greencard application to the US, it might be wise to have a girlfriend and show that type of normalcy. Was this in Iran? No, just Florida. He was a database programmer in the IT for a Christian college, and homosexuality (or bisexuality, or any non-totally-hetero behavior) was listed in the employment contract as grounds for termination. But getting terminated by them would have halted his green card application and forced him to leave the country, so he toiled away in silence. After his green card came through, he didn't quite care as much if they fired him, and immediately started looking for other employment opportunities.

    56. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by cavreader · · Score: 2

      If you are a lawyer you should understand that there is no true international law, established or otherwise, because there is no enforcement mechanism that can be brought to bear equally in every corner of the world. Even countries with advanced rule of law have all kinds of problems defining jurisdiction, extradition rights, and problems leading towards sovereignty issues. Only a few countries have the ability to enforce there definition of international law and that relies on political pressure backed up by economic and ultimately military power when things truly escalate. The EU seems well on it's way towards a thought police state while simultaneously bending over backwards to accommodate people holding beliefs that would have seemed extreme even back in the 12th century. The only permitted hate speech in the EU is anything denigrating and insulting to the US and everyone living there. While the EU chattering classes were hyperventilating over the NSA they failed to notice whose national security and intelligence services were actually collecting their data and then sharing it with the NSA. Do they think all that data was deleted from the servers located in Europe after the hand over?

    57. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monday's Child Is Fair of Face

      It s saying you hate ugly people (a disability). Attractive people are more likely to land job interviews: study

    58. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      Hate Speech, noun: Any speech that is critical of any group other than white males.

    59. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I had to look that up. All I can say is "Wow! that's crazy!"

    60. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by GNious · · Score: 1

      Which country? Because, what you describe violates chapter 10 of the ECHR, which applies to all 47 countries in the Council of Europe, and even as a Guest Worker you would be covered by it (IANAL).

    61. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds racist. Your post should be banned.

    62. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Link to your tattoo photo please.

    63. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      exactly. who gets to decide what hate speech is real and what is imagined? will facts equal hate speech??? will not believing in some political views equal hate speech???

      Lets not get all technical and bogged down by asking a lot of questions, only terrorists do that.

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    64. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just look at Germany. It's illegal to question events related to the holocaust. The net effect is that if people want to make the claims 'more severe' it's acceptable, but corrections in the other direction are literally criminal offenses.

    65. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, no, no. That's the prelude to badly. When you stop people from discussing and protesting things they disagree with, it's what comes next that's the reall things going badly.

      Would you say you... "hate" that scenario, citizen?

    66. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      What would happen to someone saying "send them back to their own country" if that country is a war zone?

      I don't know. The only people who say that are real whackos who can be prosecuted for other, much less ambiguous statements and acts. What many people over here say is "we don't want them here" and they do not really care where the refugees go as long as they do not come here. And such statements can be heard from bars, to journalists, to politicians. Some media and some politicians are not happy to see that. E.g. the discussion forums in an online newspaper is disabled, but you are free to set up your own web site or express your ideas in the streets. A TV show does not get cut off if a guest says "we should not patrol seas and encourage refugees to come to EU". I never heard about this being prosecuted by a court or even suggested that it should be punishable.

    67. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      "We can't agree on a definition, therefore it's not illegal" isn't a very sound argument. I wouldn't rely on it in court.

      The law in the various EU member states does define what threats and harassment are. Like it or not, people living in those countries are subject to those laws. Companies operating in those countries are subject to those laws. Personally, I don't agree with many of them, but at least I bothered to read and understand them.

      So let's say you don't like economic (or even civil war) refugees coming to your country in the hundreds of thousands due to their way of life. (patriarchal, non-democratic, etc, views/actions) Send them back / keep them out.

      In the UK people saying that refugees should be kept out or sent home regularly makes the news. It's a somewhat mainstream view and no-one is being arrested for it.

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    68. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Do you have any evidence of that? It seems more likely that Facebook finds the stories about how terrorists and paedophiles use its services problematic, as when little Mohammed wants to sign up his parents might take those things into consideration. Twitter has a long standing problem with harassment too, with several high profile names quitting the service.

      Both of those services were valued at many billions of dollars based on their large user bases. If they get a bad rep and people start going elsewhere or not signing up, it devalues them.

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    69. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is lying. Probably a trump supporter.

    70. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Governments should be beyond criticism from anyone but those entitled to vote in their respective countries?

      (Captcha: "behead". Seriously?!)

    71. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well played, sir!

    72. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by jandersen · · Score: 1

      exactly. who gets to decide what hate speech is real and what is imagined? will facts equal hate speech??? will not believing in some political views equal hate speech???

      Ultimately, the courts, one would imagine. Any one who has taken an interest in court cases, even in passing, will know that the higher courts do examine the evidence in a great deal of detail before reaching a decision, so I don't think this is something that will lead to summary executions for having the wrong thoughts on a bad day. And anyway - these huge Internet companies are still private companies; they are entitled to set the rules for the conduct of their users - if they wish, they could decide to ban people for declaring their undying love for latex clothing, or some other silly things. If you don't like it, go elsewhere.

    73. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There might be some confusion.

      A candidate for the European parliament election had the utter patriarchal white male TEMERITY to read, IN PUBLIC, out loud from a book by Winston Churchill.

      The guy was arrested for hate speech. and public shitlording.

    74. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Whoever publicly [...]
      b) defames such group or individual
      [...] will be punished by imprisonment from 1 up to 3 years

      Now throw in interpretation of defamation, where drawing attention to the race or religion of the Rotherham rapists could be construed as defamation and suddenly you can't say a fucking thing about anybody.

      Shit, a year in jail for describing the French as cheese eating surrender monkeys? That's what that law dictates. That's fucking horrific.

    75. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      If you don't like it, go elsewhere.

      Wait, I have to emigrate because a bunch of cunts I didn't elect are trying to impose draconian limitations on speech in my country?

      Fuck that. I'm voting to leave their precious little club in a couple of weeks, lets see how they get on without our massive subsidy.

    76. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It seems more likely

      Wait, so you are making an argument based on your own dubious guesses at probability without evidence, but you ask HIM for evidence?

      And no, his claim isn't bigger than yours.

      You're making claim about threat from terrorists
      He's making a claim about threat from big government

      For evidence to back my assessment that your claim is bigger, I point to how few people actually die to the terrorism in the developed world, vs all the government oppression we see day to day either in person (people in the US had to file their taxes a couple months ago) or through the new (oh look, the courts declared an accused rapist to be innocent again)

      Twitter has a long standing problem with harassment too, with several high profile names quitting the service.

      Twitter has a long standing problem with harassment because most of its users are harassers. They can't cut down on harassment without cutting off large chucks of their userbase, without which they don't have a product to generate revenue for them.

      A lot of high profile names didn't quit because some small group of trolls from 8chan or whatever making some kind of coordinated harassment campaign. They quit because they got swamped by unwanted attention from the masses that naturally form mobs. Masses that had nothing better to do but shower attention over some trivial thing, like Alec Baldwin flipping over American Airlines

      Masses who get offended easily and so they scream and yell and harass and think they're somehow promoting social justice, like what they did to Ashton Kutcher for daring to defend somebody involved in a sex abuse scandal, and the Internet gave him flak for it

      Or as covered by slashdot, Stephen Fry quit because the mob couldn't handle him making a joke to his lady friend.

      Both of those services were valued at many billions of dollars based on their large user bases. If they get a bad rep and people start going elsewhere or not signing up, it devalues them.

      As above, twitter's (and facebook and most other social media) bad rep didn't come from people who speak "hate speech". Their bad rep comes from their main audience being a bunch of nosy gossipy busybodies who would dogpile and harass people and think they're somehow promoting social justice. They like to say freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, apparently harassment is a valid consequences for them to dish out.

    77. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Supporting terrorism including such vile acts as:

      Calling someone fat
      Calling someone ugly.
      Generally hurting someone's feelz
      Disagreeing with immigration policies
      Posting inconvenient facts and studies

      Subjects allowed:

      White male bashing
      Male bashing generally
      Accusing someone of rape with no evidence
      Supporting pedos
      Organising social media mobs to attack non-Hilary supporters

    78. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      I guess this quote suits you then "BAAAAAAAAAAA!"

    79. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      If you're referring to Geert Wilders, his arrest was for a speech at a rally, not in parliament.

      From my American POV....NO ONE should be arrested for any speech, unless it is DIRECTLY inciting violence against someone at that moment.

      There should be no such thing a "Hate Speech" laws.

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    80. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the climate didn't change, that would be bad. But to censor your speech? As to wether it is summer or winter? Therefore warmer or cooler. nd, of the people born of a certain day, they may be the ones that become politicians for some reason. That would be a reason to cull them, hee.

    81. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, this is so very, very true.

    82. Re: who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EU has laws against hate speech for decades now, and I do not feel any more oppressed because of it.

    83. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 1

      Crap. Meant to select 'Insightful'. Sorry 'bout that. A 'confirm' button would be nice.

    84. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1

      I would sigh and say whatever happens in Europe is none of my business, except this seems to be not European only but these companies would be following these guidelines everywhere.

      People think they are 'safe in the US' but censorship in the globalist world seems to be able to reach even here where money is involved. We have Hollywood movies being censored to meet the requirements of the Chinese market. We have everyone's speech being policed to suit the <del>Soviet</del>European Union.

      It's scary.

      And we strike down Net Neutrality so only those with money ( and vulnerability to censorship via monetary bullying ) can get their message across at high speed.

      Offtopic, but the speed increase was like night and day when I turned on my VPN. I expected it to make my dog slow video get slower and it got FASTER. Makes me think I was being throttled.

      Here in the US I didn't think a VPN made sense, since I'd just use TOR if I were really interested in privacy. But sheesh!

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    85. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you define hate? If someone points out issues with say the Church of Scientology that casts them in a bad light does that qualify as hate speech?

      No. But if you replace Scientology with Islam then yes, because that's racist! Religions are Races now, but only Judaism and Islam qualify as racial belief systems because those are the nationalities that primarily control the banks and oil reserves. Speaking out against Globalists is hate speech because Globalists control the news and politics and they equate Nationalism with Nazism, and everyone knows that Nationalism + Socialism = Nazism and that leads to Murdering 125,000 Jews (oops, I mean, 6million -- because citing that Red Cross report which was suppressed for 70 years is "racist anti-semitic hate speech").

      TL;DR: You dun goofed. We're all fucked already by the Political Correct Authoritarianism which is destroying the west.

    86. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. -PCP

    87. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone in a post few above yours mentioned Geert Wilders.

    88. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's very simple. It is required to have empathy to figure out when something is hate speech though. Assuming this, hate speech is simply hateful speech. You can look up the definition of the word 'hate' in a dictionary. There's nothing complicated or ambiguous about it.

    89. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it isn't. Hate speech is spoken by adult children hiding behind free speech. Rights and freedoms are for adults, not children.

    90. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by fgouget · · Score: 1

      Letting them vent gives them the learning opportunity of having a listener say, "Are you stupid, and/or angry?)

      This is not about people venting. This is mostly about putting a stop to ISIS' recruitment campaign.

    91. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by fgouget · · Score: 1

      It'll be fine, and if you disagree you will be required to get a 2 inch tall tattoo on your forehead that says "Shitlord".

      Still sore about your forehead tattoo I see...

    92. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      If that's the case then why aren't they targeting the CIA?

    93. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Then why are you speaking?

    94. Re:who decides what is "hate speech"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget, there are several states passing laws, TODAY, that say "If you lie about something enough (like your sex), it's legally protected!!! Everyone MUST share in your delusion or they are breaking the law"

      It's entirely dystopian.

  8. Hate speech by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    Does that include

    I don't want these ##%^&(*&@ windows 10 updates

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  9. I just laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whenever a European gets on his high horse and whines about how he can't understand why XYZ is allowed in America or why Americans do this or that.

    As a result I find myself laughing very often. Thanks Europeans!

  10. What shouldn't be done to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... save us from those evil terroristststs. I think everyone should be locked up to their homes and never let out and internet taken away so that everyopne would be saved! Save us oh wise politicians!

  11. It won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll just drive that crap underground, where it will thrive out of view and fueled by a newly-validated persecution complex.

    Removing hate speech from websites is like removing your shoes at the airport - a feel-good measure designed to provide the illusion that Someone Is Doing Something About This Problem.

    1. Re:It won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, exactly, do you mean by "hate" speech?
      When did this phrase first come into existence, and who invented it?

      The JEW invented it, to silence his 'goyim', to prevent any dissent against the Jews' ongoing destruction of our countries.

      http://balder.org/judea/Hate-Speech-Laws-Immigration-Jewish-Influence-Britain.php

      The term "hate speech" was invented by JEWS, and propagated endlessly, day after day, via the JEW controlled media, until our so-called 'politicians' thought it was a 'real' thing, and happily did what their Jewish masters told them to - legislate against "hate". What a joke. So in other words, anybody who speaks out against the Jews who have taken over our countries and enslaved us all, and who are now flooding our countries with millions of hate-filled, parasitic third worlders, is "full of hate" (TM).

      And half the assholes on Slashdot actually believe the crap that the JEW spreads via television and the newspapers.

    2. Re:It won't work by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      So, that's it. The best way to counter an idea which which you may disagree, especially if you believe to be stupid, evil or hateful, is to expose it to critical examination and counter it with better ideas, not hide it where it can fester unchallenged.

    3. Re:It won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, now we won't be able to laugh at idiots like this.

    4. Re:It won't work by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I don't think we need to worry about a shortage of idiots to laugh at.

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    5. Re: It won't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only did we do all that, *we know where you live*!!! (With momma, who's also your sister)

      DON'T OPEN THE DOOR. FOR PITY'S SAKE, DON'T!! It's Bilderberg outside, I swear it....

  12. We can't have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We can't have the proletariat pointing out inconvenient truths, now, can we?

    Winston Smith: Does Big Brother exist?
    O'Brien: Of course he exists.
    Winston Smith: Does he exist like you or me?
    O'Brien: You do not exist.

  13. Code of Conduct = Hate Speech by codeAlDente · · Score: 1

    When some hateful bigot is accused of "xenophobia", this incites hatred toward people with actual phobias. The mentally ill are being equated with crappy people who don't actually have a mental illness, and whose views perhaps deserve to be hated. Some people with actual phobias, diagnosed by actual doctors, get sick of the constant media comparisons to people who are motivated by hate. More like Hatebook IMO

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    1. Re:Code of Conduct = Hate Speech by axewolf · · Score: 1

      You seem really stupid and dogmatic.

      What is wrong with hate as motivation? How is it necessarily irrational?

    2. Re:Code of Conduct = Hate Speech by b0bby · · Score: 1

      What about substances which are hydrophobic or oleophobic?

    3. Re:Code of Conduct = Hate Speech by codeAlDente · · Score: 1

      Well if a policy that bans hate speech is enacted, and that policy includes language that can be reasonably viewed as hate speech, then by its own terms the policy must be deleted and all the hate censorship can end. What am I missing? FWIW TFA does list some reasons for banning hate speech, and none of them have anything to do with rationality, truth, honesty, etc.

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    4. Re:Code of Conduct = Hate Speech by codeAlDente · · Score: 1

      I promise that I haven't been abusing any of those.

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  14. Why do they remind you of that? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech

    What? What speech was said that triggered the attacks? The attacks would have been done regardless of what anyone said.

    Even if you buy into the nonsense the west is responsible for the attacks that is still because of something the west DID, not because of what they SAID.

    In the end the "illegal online hate speech" will be anything that displeases the ruling class. History has shown us again and again how well it turns out when all news is just censored propaganda.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Oakey · · Score: 1

      No, look, if Charlie Hebdo hadn't published their 'hate speech' then those terrorist attacks wouldn't have happened. So they've fixed the 'problem', by getting rid of the 'hate speech'.

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      "Dre don't get as high as me.... I'm Cheech and Chong" - Snoop Dogg
    2. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "History has shown us again and again how well it turns out when all news is just censored propaganda."

      You become the USA in the 21st century?

    3. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is about preventing recruiting for terrorist groups using social media. In case you don't know, ISIS has used Twitter and Facebook extensively.

    4. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Why do you think it's about that? That certainly is not the only speech that will be blocked (if in fact any of that "speech" is even blocked at all).

      It will be used by and large to erase any criticism of muslim extremists, on the pretext that someone may think all muslims are extremists.

      It's pretty telling I think that you make your claims as an AC.

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    5. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      AC already beat me too it but to add - it's right there in the summary:

      Social media is unfortunately one of the tools that terrorist groups use to radicalise young people and racist use to spread violence and hatred. This agreement is an important step forward to ensure that the internet remains a place of free and democratic expression, where European values and laws are respected."

      Nowhere in her quote is their a suggestion that they are doing this out of some need to assuage western guilt as your comment implies.

      IMO this isn't really as newsworthy as people are making it out to be. While I don't agree with them European countries have had hate speech laws on their books since the end of WW II. If some American companies want to pander to these laws in order to grow their market or avoid some other regulatory oversight by being a "team player" than it's their prerogative.

      I believe it will only make them look bad in the long run as they won't have the resources to follow through and they will invariably make mistakes that will upset people. But again, I don't own those companies (and try to avoid using their products) so it's up to them, they certainly don't care what I think!

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    6. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      It's in TFS...

      Social media is unfortunately one of the tools that terrorist groups use to radicalise young people and racist use to spread violence and hatred. This agreement is an important step forward to ensure that the internet remains a place of free and democratic expression, where European values and laws are respected."

      You can extrapolate whatever you want from the article and argue that's where this is all heading, we probably agree on a number of points. But you quoted the EU rep out of context to support your point. You don't have to do that, you have a point to make and can do so without willfully ignoring the content of the article.

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    7. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC already beat me too it but to add - it's right there in the summary:

      Social media is unfortunately one of the tools that terrorist groups use to radicalise young people and racist use to spread violence and hatred. This agreement is an important step forward to ensure that the internet remains a place of free and democratic expression, where European values and laws are respected."

      Nowhere in her quote is their a suggestion that they are doing this out of some need to assuage western guilt as your comment implies.

      ...

      About damn time.

      It took several mass murders and damn near the open rape of women in the streets of Germany, but the Europeans have finally seen what pandering to those that don't buy into "quaint" Western European ideals like "freedom of speech" get them:

      Killed by the same misogynistic, homophobic, barbaric culture that Charles Martel et al fought off at Tours a millennium and a half ago.

    8. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to do that, you have a point to make and can do so without willfully ignoring the content of the article.

      SuperKendall can't help himself, it's just too tempting to make a spurious assertion that plays to emotional resonance, rather than participate in a considered dialogue.

    9. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      No, look, if Charlie Hebdo hadn't published their 'hate speech' then those terrorist attacks wouldn't have happened. So they've fixed the 'problem', by getting rid of the 'hate speech'.

      I've seen those cartoons. I cannot see how Charlie Hebdo is not 'hate speech', surely its a paradigm example of 'hate speech'.

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    10. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      How knowledgeable are you about French politics and, in particular, the specific people they were satirizing? Because they often look offensive to an outsider, but people who know what's going on understand the message.

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    11. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      You spelled "China" wrong.

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    12. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      How knowledgeable are you about French politics and, in particular, the specific people they were satirizing? Because they often look offensive to an outsider, but people who know what's going on understand the message.

      There were references to certain historical personages couched in a way which certainly appeared intended to provoke hatred and anger.

      Don't particularly care about French politics.

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    13. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by ogdenk · · Score: 2

      If I want to publish a cartoon of Jesus and Mohammad having gay sex with Carl Sagan that's my prerogative and my right. Don't like it? Don't look at it.

      Not that I would because

      A.) I can't draw
      B.) I'm generally not an asshole until provoked

      This is a serious slippery slope. Even saying "The God of Abraham does not exist and is simply a bronze-age Jewish mythology" can be labeled as hate speech. Even if that is a core part of my [non]religious beliefs.

      I'm not going to tapdance around people's feelings under threat of prison and censor myself. Seriously. Prison? For hurting someone's wee little feelings? A term as long as you would serve for physically beating the shit out of someone? SJW's are going way too far in the EU and we need to stop them from getting a foothold here. If someone is deeply offended by the fact that I criticize/mock their religion, oppose them influencing politics... FUCK'EM.... they NEED to be offended. If mocking superstition, the violence it brings and the chilling effect it has on reasonable discourse is hateful, then I'm proud to be a bigot.

      At least here in the US if someone tries to kill me over my beliefs, opinions or speech I can legally blow their brains out in self defense. You guys in the EU are screwed and we're not far behind you unfortunately.

      Hating people isn't illegal. Making people mad isn't illegal. Losing control and beating/killing someone because you can't control your rage *IS* illegal. You have no inherent right to not be offended in a free society. Period.

    14. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you buy into the nonsense the west is responsible for the attacks that is still because of something the west DID, not because of what they SAID.

      that would be because of something the west IS.

      Though there are million ways to look at it and search for justifications - theology, sociology, history, politics. I think it's still very simply a polarizing discourse of "us against them". The west is "them".

    15. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about speech 'triggering' the attacks.

      But consider that the Paris attackers were born and raised in Belgium. That's in the heart of Europe, barely 200 miles from Paris. They weren't educated in madrassas or training camps in Afghanistan, they were educated in Belgian public schools.

      If people from that background can learn to hate so much, then it seems plausible that this 'hate' is being generated or transmitted through some common medium that's available in the target countries. (And indeed, if you choose to look for it, you can see for yourself the propaganda put out by Isis and other groups. Mind, I don't recommend it, as that would probably get you added to a watch list in the freedom-lovin' USofA.)

    16. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      There were references to certain historical personages couched in a way which certainly appeared intended to provoke hatred and anger.

      Don't particularly care about French politics.

      Why would those historical figures not be subject to ridicule if it's deserved?
      Or better yet: there is no such thing as a historical figure that is immune from the ridicule and criticism we might give a modern politician. If it "provokes hatred and anger," to violence, then that is entirely the fault of the people angered enough to commit such acts. It's a flaw in their psyche, not the cartoonist's.

      It is, for example, absolutely fair to depict Muhammad as a man wearing a turban with a bomb in it.

    17. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Killed by the same misogynistic, homophobic, barbaric culture that Charles Martel et al fought off at Tours a millennium and a half ago.

      To be honest, he was also fighting -for- a misogynistic, homophobic, barbaric culture as well.
      Or was that a whoosh that went over my head?

    18. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      I'm not saying that I agree with the existance of 'hate speech' laws, I don't.

      I'm just saying that its difficult (for me) to see how 'hate speech laws' could reasonably be formulated such that Charlie Hebdo doesn't fall foul of them.

      The law should be able to be applied impartially without looking like an ass(hole).

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    19. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech

      I totally agree. Anyone who publicly affirms Muslim, Sink, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Mormon, pastafarian, Jedi, or atheistic beliefs is showing hatred and intolerance towards my beliefs. Because if they're saying they're right, then they're saying I'm wrong, and that's intolerant. I hereby demand that all such persons be silenced throughout the EU.

    20. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      I've seen those cartoons. I cannot see how Charlie Hebdo is not 'hate speech', surely its a paradigm example of 'hate speech'.

      There are passages in the Koran which are unquestionably interpreted by many Muslims as advocating unspeakably evil acts. I'm fairly certain that if you had to label one of those two works as hate speech, it wouldn't be the French one.

    21. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Hating people isn't illegal. Making people mad isn't illegal.

      If certain people in the U.S. and E.U. have their way, your statement would be an is / ought fallacy.

    22. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      I've seen those cartoons. I cannot see how Charlie Hebdo is not 'hate speech', surely its a paradigm example of 'hate speech'.

      There are passages in the Koran which are unquestionably interpreted by many Muslims as advocating unspeakably evil acts. I'm fairly certain that if you had to label one of those two works as hate speech, it wouldn't be the French one.

      If there are to be 'hate speech' laws, at least let them be impartial. Or don't have them at all.

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    23. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by fgouget · · Score: 1

      The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech

      What? What speech was said that triggered the attacks? The attacks would have been done regardless of what anyone said.

      This is not about speech triggering the attacks. This is about putting a stop to ISIS' Internet recruitment campaign so the recruitees don't come back to their countries with bombs and AK-47's:
      Inside the Mind-Control Methods the Islamic State Uses to Recruit Teenagers
      ISIS recruitment methods exposed after Jordanian woman flees secret compound

    24. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I think it really depends on how those laws are worded; most, I think, cover insults to groups of people but not insults to specific individuals unless it's on the basis of their membership in a group. Something that is offensive because it targets a historical person may not fall under that law. Furthermore, satire is often exempted from censorship on those grounds.

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    25. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      I think it really depends on how those laws are worded; most, I think, cover insults to groups of people but not insults to specific individuals unless it's on the basis of their membership in a group. Something that is offensive because it targets a historical person may not fall under that law. Furthermore, satire is often exempted from censorship on those grounds.

      Insult to a historical figure of extreme importance to a group of people, like ohhh I don't know maybe the *founder* of that group should definitely be seen as an insult to the whole group of people.

      I don't think satire should be an excuse otherwise there'd be satirical use of the swastika and imagery of Hitler in some German equivalent of Charlie Hebdo. To the best of my limited knowledge there isn't any such equivalent, and any attempt to do so would result in a visit from the police.

      So its ok in France but not in Germany? Not sure about that, doesn't France also have laws against Nazi imagery etc?

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    26. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Depictions of Muhammed are not necessarily an insult to Islam; only in some groups is it seen that way. Iran, for instance, has a long history of paintings of him. Moreover, even if it provokes outrage in those people, it's not designed to incite hatred or anger against them.

      Germany specifically outlawed Nazi imagery, to the best of my knowledge, including satirical uses. In addition, even most satirists in Germany might be unlikely to use it, since it's still kind of a touchy subject there. Whether or not satire should be allowed is a different conversation (I personally think all the hate speech stuff is stupid, and satire is an excellent tool against bigots), but in France it is covered, while in Germany it isn't always.

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    27. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is about preventing recruiting for terrorist groups using social media."

      Facebook is owned by the terrorists and patrolled by the Hasbara Troll Brigade.

    28. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " if Charlie Hebdo hadn't published their 'hate speech' then those terrorist attacks wouldn't have happened."

      The Paris attacks were not committed by Muslims; they were BLAMED on Muslims but carried out by the Israeli Mossad - just like the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks. "By Way of Deception..."

      The purpose of which is to incite hatred and fear of the Arabic peoples so that the non-jews (Goyim) will fight Israel's enemies for them.

    29. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Depictions of Muhammed are not necessarily an insult to Islam; only in some groups is it seen that way. Iran, for instance, has a long history of paintings of him. Moreover, even if it provokes outrage in those people, it's not designed to incite hatred or anger against them.

      Germany specifically outlawed Nazi imagery, to the best of my knowledge, including satirical uses. In addition, even most satirists in Germany might be unlikely to use it, since it's still kind of a touchy subject there. Whether or not satire should be allowed is a different conversation (I personally think all the hate speech stuff is stupid, and satire is an excellent tool against bigots), but in France it is covered, while in Germany it isn't always.

      I think hate speech law are stupid too, what I guess I'm trying to get at is a reductio ad absurdum on hate speech laws.

      I'm not saying Charlie Hebdo really is hate speech, which I don't think even exists. I'm saying that couching such laws to allow eg Charlie Hebdo's depictions of Muhammed or others depictions of Muhammed eg as a pedophile, rapist, etc as non-hate-speech is absurd.

      You can't have your cake and eat it too; you can't say that what counts as hate speech for, eg Muslims, doesn't count as hate speech for, eg Donald Trump, or Germans wanting to make a satirical magazine about the Nazis where they make cartoon representations of EU politicians as Nazi characters.
      The law has to be impartial.
      If you try to make the hate speech laws truly impartial they become very clearly absurd.

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    30. Re:Why do they remind you of that? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see. In that case, I think I agree with you. There's never a clear line between what counts as hate speech and what doesn't, and laws rely on lines to be effective in a just society.

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  15. i just hate this by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    i hate having to read about hate.

    1. Re:i just hate this by codeAlDente · · Score: 1

      I hate this comment

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    2. Re:i just hate this by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      I hate comments about hating other comments.

    3. Re:i just hate this by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I hate people who overuse the term hate to mean "something I don't agree with" and hater to mean "someone who disagrees with me for any reason whatsoever".

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    4. Re:i just hate this by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      Agree absolutely. Great point! (...and I was only being facetious, by the way, meaning "smart ass appropriate to venue and mood.")

    5. Re:i just hate this by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I know, I was just tagging on to the chain. :)

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  16. I have hate for Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will keep them busy then. I have much hate for Microsoft which I choose to express in violent terms involving tangible suffering for Microsoft executives for their abuse of customers by the purposefully engineered lack of choice regarding Windows 10 upgrade. That upgrade forced itself on my 91 year old father's computer and basically ruined his month. I have justified hate involving visions of pain and suffering for Microsoft employees. I'm so glad the EU will take Microsoft's money, but not allow customers to voice their objections,

    The EU deserves every future severe consequence it is stupidly putting itself into with its big heart of good intentions.

  17. So ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do the Jews stand to profit from this?

    1. Re:So ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By adding criticism of Israel and Zionism to "hate speech".

      Much like the way that anyone who exposes Zionist crimes is (falsely) labelled "anti-semetic"; any criticism of Israel is a "hate crime".

      How do they profit? They get away with their crimes because any investigation or "criticism" of Israel will be dismissed as anti-semetic hatred instead of what it really is - criminal activity.

  18. hate speech = anti-immigration sentiments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This will not stem the rising popularity of nationalists movements across European countries. If anything, it's going to stoke anti-immigration feelings even more.

  19. 1984 was too soon... by bobbied · · Score: 2

    George Orwell was right, he was just a man before his time... He should have titled his book 2016...

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    1. Re:1984 was too soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Orwell was right, he was just a man before his time... He should have titled his book 2016...

      Why? I mean seriously, do you think Orwell would have been blase about the people calling for others to be locked up in concentration camps, executed, abused, tortured and otherwise mistreated because well, to do otherwise would impinge on their freedom?

      I get it, Orwell has become the touchstone for any and all references to a dystopia or censorship, the hallmark that stops all conversation in its tracks.

      But it's the hate speakers who often tend to want that, since they'd much rather portray themselves as the martyred victim of bullying, the ones being oppressed because they aren't allowed to do what they want.

      So perhaps you can be a touch more verbose in your expressions?

    2. Re:1984 was too soon... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Go read the book... The word we are all converging on is "tolerance"

      So is that transparent enough for you?

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    3. Re:1984 was too soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go read the book... The word we are all converging on is "tolerance"

      So is that transparent enough for you?

      I believe asked for verbosity, not transparency. Let me check, it's not been edited, so yes, it seems I did. The two are very different, and if I were going for figurative language, I'd say that a clear piece of glass reflects nothing of the thoughts within, at least a mirror has some use to show an image. So again, perhaps you can be a touch more verbose?

      Because I've read 1984, it's got little relationship to the problems that concern us today, even aside from the technological discrepancies, the issues of today, as such, are quite divergent from those in his narrative. Really, how can you fit the Junior Anti-Sex League into today's affairs? I can't, if anything, I'd say it's the opposite. I suppose could you make some relationship with them, and the conduct of the anti-abortion groups that call for doctors to be shot, but I just don't see what the problem is with restricting that particular form of behavior. It does seem to go beyond the pale to me.

      So do tell us, what does 1984 have to do with what's going actually on, other than you just having a convenient slogan to shout? Can you start with examining the actual code of conduct?

      Or do you just want to have a bellyfeel?

    4. Re:1984 was too soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >people calling for others to be locked up in concentration camps, executed, abused, tortured and otherwise mistreated

      Just FYI, your beloved oligarchs wanting to ban "hate speech" are actually DOING the things you mention.

    5. Re:1984 was too soon... by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2

      The word we are all converging on is "tolerance"

      I think tolerance is the word that is used by the side trying to get the upper hand. I heard a lot of calling for tolerance when gay marriage was still in the trying to get legal phase. Now that the LGBTxxx side seems to have the upper hand it's about forcing bakers into making cakes and people losing their jobs over not supporting gay marriage. Tolerance went out the window as soon as they had the upper hand. I'm against any group calling for penalties based on a person's views or voting habits. If one wants to call me tolerant, so be it. However I can have serious disagreements with coworkers over a particular view without being able to work with them and it would never cross my mind to try and get a person fired over a personal view. You don't have to agree with someone to treat them with civility. Moreover talking with others who I don't agree with sometimes, not usually admittedly but sometimes, allows me to pick up a new perspective.

    6. Re:1984 was too soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just FYI, your beloved oligarchs wanting to ban "hate speech" are actually DOING the things you mention.

      Go ahead and name them then. Recount their crimes. Of course, you'd have to find any that I love, or even admire.

      Or you might just be making up stuff like the idiots going on and on about FEMA camps. It's easy if you can just make an empty accusation, that way you don't need to examine your own conduct, much like you could just declare something to be Orwellian.

      But should you?

    7. Re:1984 was too soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could start with the Ford's, the Rockefellers, Soros. Much more harm than good sourcing from they and their foundations but if you were a learned individual, you would already know this.

      Surely you have learned of the progressive evils such as alcohol prohibition and Henry Fords utopian hell or don't they teach this anymore? Always a new generation of suckers I guess.

    8. Re: 1984 was too soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, I do not recall admiring any of those you name, and their crimes, offensive though they may be, do not qualify as what was asserted above.

      You can call for their conviction if you want but get the allegations right. Hang a man for thievery if you must, but get the actions right.

  20. may as well get it out of the way now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know who else didn't like free speech?

    HITLER!

    1. Re:may as well get it out of the way now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know who likes to casually throw around the term "Hitler?" SJW fascists.

    2. Re:may as well get it out of the way now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only Hasbara trolls repeatedly and incessantly use the worlds "Hitler", "Holocaust" and "Anti-semite" even when the discussion really has nothing to do with them.

      Fucking lame.

  21. Hate speech? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    As Bill Gates might say, *Two minutes should be enough for everybody*

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  22. The political implications... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess Donald Trump won't be permitted to enter the European Union anytime soon.

    1. Re:The political implications... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that go for the Trump protesters as well then? It should. They're more violent than his supporters are.

  23. more censorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck off

    1. Re:more censorship? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      more censorship?
      fuck off

      Heh. Censoring of censorship!

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    2. Re:more censorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, just like one doesn't need to tolerate anti-tolerant laws that reduce human rights.

    3. Re:more censorship? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0

      Heh. Yeah, the "Don't behave the way I do!" philosophy.

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  24. Advertising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does their definition of Hate Speech include Advertising? Because I really that that sort of speech.

  25. You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's all remember that this doesn't really REMOVE hate speech. It hides it, allowing us all to feel wonderful about ourselves and that we've "done something" about hate speech.

    We haven't *actually* DONE anything.

    Like Juncker's fantastically anti-democratic reaction to the threat of the Ã-FP victory in Austria (I won't allow any far-right reactionaries any power in the EU!), Europe seems to fundamentally "not get" how democracy works. When confronted with something unpleasant, they try to ban it.

    The only cure for unpleasant speech is more speech. Anything else ultimately makes it worse.

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    1. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      I stand and applaud in agreement, and second that motion.

    2. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have another cure too, and I praise Slashdot's free speech for being able to say so.

      Less forced third world migration which is changing the culture, character, atmosphere of Europe. Migrants are bringing ghettos, extra crime, homophobia, rape culture, anti-women culture and of course Islam. See the following for a look at what's happening: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/23/germany-registers-surge-crimes-right-wing-radicals

      It's an invasion in slow motion.

    3. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Notice Juncker reacted VEHEMENTLY, publicly, immediately against the ~threat~ of a conservative Austrian politician.

      Has there been any comparable reaction against the ACTUAL arrival of *millions* of people who are publicly homophobic, misogynistic, murderously xenophobic religious zealots?

      It's curious, that different reaction.

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    4. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by labnet · · Score: 1

      Yes. Disagreement is not hate.
      I don't think a homosexual lifestyle is morally good, but I don't hate homosexuals, yet in Australia, that opinion in public is close to 'hate speech'

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    5. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by dbarclay10 · · Score: 1

      Europe seems to fundamentally "not get" how democracy works. When confronted with something unpleasant, they try to ban it.

      The only cure for unpleasant speech is more speech. Anything else ultimately makes it worse.

      Or, maybe, Europe has had its fill of radical fascist ring-wing asshats and the problems they cause (read: death, destruction, war, poverty, etc.), and this is one of the tools they use to keep a lid on it.

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    6. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not curious, its completely hypocritical

    7. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      The only cure for unpleasant speech is more speech. Anything else ultimately makes it worse.

      This is one of those things that I think any rational person could agree with. Speech helps, but you need the tackle the source of the fear/prejudice. Unfortunately there's no being rational with an irrational person. Look no further than the definition:

      phobia - (n) an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

      Trying to talk a group of people (or an entire culture) out of their phobia is kind of like talking someone out of arachnophobia by showing them spider documentaries. To bring about real change involves real action from both sides. To tackle this xenophobia or Islamophobia, we would need both the western countries to stop bombing Islamic nations AND have those Islamic countries enter peaceful talks and 'integration' into the western countries. The first part would reduce that initial fear and hatred of the west (after all, we stop lobbing bombs at women and children, getting the extremists angrier and angrier). The second part would introduce that mutual understanding of the cultures.

      But then again, we still have confederate flags flying around in the southern U.S. some 150 years later.

    8. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're trying to use semantics to arbitrarily dismiss the concerns of other people as "irrational".

      "To tackle this xenophobia..."

      I can make very rational arguments for my aversion to other cultures. If you then decide to label me as a "xenophobe"(as many people would), you're immediately operating under the assumption that my beliefs are "irrational" and are therefore a problem that needs to be confronted. That's an entirely subjective interpretation.

      It really doesn't matter until we enter the realm of government policies. In that context, "xenophobia" always gets tossed around as a disparaging term for people who take particular positions on the issues. Oppose immigration and the multi-cultists reflexively label you as a "xenophobe".

      I don't care about other cultures and I certainly don't want to "integrate" with them. It's not just about race and religion either. I don't want rude, high-stress urbanites poisoning my polite, relaxed rural culture.

    9. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      The fact that you're both actually talking about it (ok, yes, this is the interweb and some post AC and never return) is the POINT though.

      One says "you can't really negotiate people out of irrational fears", the other says "my fears have an entirely rational basis".

      God forbid any national political leaders take even this nuanced, thoughtful an approach.

      Hell, you can barely get water-cooler conversation that's not just people spouting shit (whatever monologue that they happened to just read online) at each other.

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    10. Re:You're not removing hate speech, just hiding it by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      It hides it, allowing us all to feel wonderful about ourselves and that we've "done something" about hate speech.

      America is experiencing this right now, I think. Thanks to the racial and gender equality efforts of the mid-20th century, a lot of actual sexists/racists started going quiet. The general assumption was that these forces had been bested, and would continue to shrink in size and overall these problems would improve. But this year, as Trump ran his primary campaign, it seems that racists just appeared in droves. I don't think they ever went away, though, just receded until they felt there was a candidate who granted them safety to speak their minds.

      Silencing dissent/hate speech/uncomfortable thoughts does not make it disappear, just hide in the shadows. It must be allowed, acknowledged, and confronted to make any kind of progress.

  26. This will be abused against free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watch the first target be BDS. Watch.

    1. Re:This will be abused against free speech. by jfbriere · · Score: 1

      +1
      My thoughts exactly

    2. Re:This will be abused against free speech. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Watch the first target be BDS. Watch.

      They were already dying, no worries, Netcraft confirmed it, until the police shut them down for inciting hate speech.

    3. Re:This will be abused against free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Watch the first target be BDS. Watch."

      Sadly, you are right. Our Zionist overlords forbid any type of compassion or human rights for the oppressed Palestinian people.

      Only truly civilized countries support BDS (and then get punished for it.) The terrorist attacks in Belgium and France are evidence of this. (Why else would ISIS travel thousands of miles to attack France when it's sworn "enemy" Israel is only about 800 miles away? Because ISIS is an Israeli creation; like Al-Qaeda is an American one).

    4. Re:This will be abused against free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They were already dying, no worries, Netcraft confirmed it"

      Huh?

      First, BDS is not dying - in fact, quite the opposite. The whole reason that Israel is up in arms about BDS is because it is working and has been for many years. Israel is desperate...

      Second, what the fuck does Netcraft have to do with anything? How can some Internet company make (and prove!) a claim that a human rights movement is dying? They can't. Fucking lame. Seriously.

      Third, nobody is shutting down BDS for hate speech. How ridiculous! The evil Zionists may TRY to shut it down, but they have been trying for years and have failed miserably. Why? Because BDS is a human rights movement - not a hatred movement. And the world is now quite wise to Zionist criminality and terrorism.

      The only hate associated with BDS is the hatred of the BDS movement by Israel itself - because they are the ones violating the rights of human beings and are the target of BDS.

      They will never repent and will be destroyed as a result. And human beings will finally have peace on earth!

    5. Re:This will be abused against free speech. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Huh?

      First, BDS is not dying - in fact, quite the opposite

      My apologies, it was a joke.
      For many, many years on Slashdot, people trolled stories about the decline of *BSD: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/...

    6. Re:This will be abused against free speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh?

      First, BDS is not dying - in fact, quite the opposite

      My apologies, it was a joke.
      For many, many years on Slashdot, people trolled stories about the decline of *BSD: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/...

      Don't apologize, any regular visitor here would have understood that joke. I officially revoke your apology and replace it with: "it's a joke dumbass".

      Carry on.......

  27. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by benjfowler · · Score: 0

    This hypocritical, racist screed smacks of Muslim Jew-envy.

    You wouldn't be Muslim by any chance?

  28. Don't you just **** it when that happens? by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

    Censorship *****.

  29. Nothing to see here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " urgent need to address illegal online hate speech" to protect the internet and keep it "a place of free and democratic expression, where [a majority's] values and laws are respected." Yep, lets legislate some freedom!

  30. rofl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "xenophobia across Europe."
    Good luck. Also fight Trump instead...

  31. I Blame Trump's Rhetoric!!! by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    Donald Trump's divisive rhetoric made this necessary -- well, that and the white trash to which it appeals. Fortunately, we are seeing increasingly rapid replacement of whites the world over by more vibrant populations that keep their women barefoot and pregnant. So this, quite reasonable, limitation of freedom of speech is only a temporary measure.

    1. Re:I Blame Trump's Rhetoric!!! by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

      Baldrson, I love you!

      Gay reference is important (I *hope* you are male).

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    2. Re:I Blame Trump's Rhetoric!!! by Livius · · Score: 1

      Trump's rhetoric is half the problem.

      The other half is left-wing political correctness bullying that cheapens the concept of hate speech by labelling any dissenting opinion as hate.

      Neither half is more responsible than the other.

      Neither half is less responsible than the other.

    3. Re:I Blame Trump's Rhetoric!!! by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1
      --

      Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
    4. Re:I Blame Trump's Rhetoric!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. False equivalence. If you think "trump's rhetoric" is to blame at all then you've just been suckered by propaganda and need to go straight to the uncut source and see for yourself how you've been mislead. Hint: Trump is not racist at all, and a temporary ban on Muslim immigration was done by both Obama and Bush. Also, Carter deported millions of illegals. Big deal.

      The real problem is that people shouldn't have to flee their countries in the first place. Leftists don't want to fix Syria or Mexico, but Trump does. Building a big wall will cut down on the drug trafficking funds which are corrupting the Mexican government and reduce rapes. 80% of women crossing the border are raped by their smugglers. How is wanting to stop illegal immigration and promote legal immigration instead inflammatory? Oh, because Trump is quote mined, and people like you simply adopt slanted views from the biased press and regurgitate the defeatist bullshit narrative that's handed to you rather than do some fact checking.

      The left is to blame for people being enraged rather than level headed about Trump.

  32. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we adopt the Islamic State's views on freedom of speech, that will keep us safe from the big bad terrorists! It has worked just fine for the IS.

  33. Hate Speech = not voteing our way! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Hate Speech = not voteing our way!

  34. Typo by countach44 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft, Facebook, YouTube and Others Agree To Remove Free Speech Across the EU

    FTFY

    Babies and bathwater, slippery slopes, boiling frogs, etc...

    1. Re:Typo by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 0

      Only if your definition of free speech is "I want to be able to post threats of violence against other people with absolutely no consequences".

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      Eat the rich.
    2. Re:Typo by fgouget · · Score: 1

      They have been removing free speech from the start.

    3. Re:Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9179925&cid=52266511

      http://time.com/4352179/facebook-twitter-google-hate-speech/

      It is censorship, the type exercised by those wishing to rule. They don't care if el homeboy
      called Pat a dyke on the Internet. They care if they can stop backlash against them. They want
      precedent.

      There is much deserved hate for these companies. Facebook and Twitter profile who you are as much as
      possible. They record who you know, where you are, where you were, who you were with, what you
      think-thought-might-do.. what you own, where you got it.. etc. Accessible at a moment's notice to the
      ruling conspirators.

      It is subterfuge, and but a fraction of the big picture. 9/11 was the result of a plot by a man
      everybody knows as George Bush Sr. He and his cronies saw evil opportunity in the gullibility of the
      tax paying public. Being head of a lying spy agency (CIA) was a gateway to distribution of a collage
      of lies. (eg. 1000 points of light speech).

      Right now you have a built world with established geographical boundaries. Where there should be
      simple neighbor principles where boundaries are defended, the CIA and it's diminishing network of
      liars are hypocritically supporting mass immigration. Politicians and Jewish media hammer their
      deceitful narratives into all minds young and old in every conduit they notice.

      It is like this. A windows shop goes out of business if nobody has a need and none break. A
      terrorism/spy business goes out of business if nobody has a need and none break. It was much more
      attractive to be sneaks in the name of lies than it was to be windows installers.

      The tie-in is that the US Gov spies cooperate on all levels with international spies and moles.
      Having access to everybody's data may seem like "what would they possibly do with it if they have
      literally everybody's, they are not God". Having access to it means they can scare you. That is what
      spooks do. That is why Bill Gates has 80 Billion dollars net worth and sells the spyware OS known as
      Windows. He doesn't want to die. They are fucking pussies, the whole lot.

      Jesus is the Light of this world, and He is coming. It is the will of The Father. Kingdom come, Thy
      Will be done.

    4. Re:Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google also tracks as much as possible. In essence the entirety of the clear Internet at varying
      levels. Everybody should use NoScript and Adblock.

      regarding NoScript (browser plugin) at noscript.net

      In the NoScript Options, you should clear all of the Google cross-site scripting permissions from the
      box here at Options/Advanced/XSS
      Anti-XSS Protection Exceptions
      [clear the field of entries here incl. wikipedia why not]

      Google is the ultimate global tracker and yes they share with US Gov.

      You should also uncheck all boxes on Options/Advanced/ABE if you use a VPN. With those boxes checked
      it will contact sites outside of your VPN tunnel and disclose IP addresses.

      Google is a HUGE part of the international spy apparatus. Even if, and especially if, you unwisely
      put every time your child had a cold and your car wouldn't start on Facebook you should be aware of
      the ramifications and depth and scope of the spying. Your finances, your peace of mind.

      Lastly, if you use Tails (like Ed Snowden) the latest safe version is 1.4.1. You can find it still.
      There is a torrent of it on kat.cr I am aware of. Every version after that is compromised by the CIA

      It is this one posted by a user named mykon
      Tails 1.4.1 i386, [Iso - MultiLang] [TNTVillage]

  35. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

    Outstanding! Thank you for that! This is exactly the type of hate speech that should be out in the open for all to see -- what a freaking idiot you are.

  36. The CoC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Code of Conduct for those who don't wish to give TechCrunch a click, or just can't be bothered to clickthrough.

  37. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

    Muslims in the UK are free to rape without fear of prosecution as that would be hate speech.

  38. 1984 by brunnerabda · · Score: 1

    Instead of the government censoring our comments, private industry will be forced to do it. 1984 is coming.

  39. So Will The Dalai Lama Be Deleted by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/11...

    Seems what he is saying now qualifies as hate speech.

    1. Re:So Will The Dalai Lama Be Deleted by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      I'm sure China thinks so.

  40. Facebook by brunnerabda · · Score: 1

    Facebook is already doing this in the USA. Monitors arbitrarily decide what is bad or not.

  41. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, at least Jews do not kill people at an airport or in a concert hall or mutilate their women.

    The Jews are also not massively immigrating to the EU to take the taxpayer money and rape the women. And if a country does not like that, they are told that building fences is racist.

    What should have happened is that the EU should have built a fence around itself with mines and machine guns, much like the Berlin wall, except this time to keep people out.

    Now, the only hope we have is that the Germans elect a nationalist for the next term and he proceeds to throw all the migrants out. I am hoping for a large scale terror attack in Germany, so the ratings on nationalist parties go up.

  42. Death By A Thousand Cuts by brunnerabda · · Score: 1

    This policy will make liberals very happy. Anything they don't like will be butthurt .

    1. Re:Death By A Thousand Cuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A true liberal will defend anyone's right to speech.
      PC or not

      I believe your target statement is meant for socialists and progressives.
      Who cannot stand points of view differing from their own echo chamber.
      They are the oppressors of individuality and personal liberty.
      They are the ones in favor of group think, and bureaucracy over freedom to choose, speak, act.

      They also happen to be the most ignorant to history btw.

    2. Re:Death By A Thousand Cuts by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      This policy will make liberals very happy. Anything they don't like will be butthurt .

      Conservatives as well, it's just a different source for the butthurt.

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    3. Re:Death By A Thousand Cuts by balbeir · · Score: 1

      Small hands and things like that

    4. Re:Death By A Thousand Cuts by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Conservatives as well, it's just a different source for the butthurt.

      Haven't seen very many conservatives lining up over the last 20 years pushing for limiting speech. Progressives on the other hand? Lots of them pushing for it. Especially on university campuses.

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      Om, nomnomnom...
    5. Re:Death By A Thousand Cuts by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Conservatives as well, it's just a different source for the butthurt.

      Haven't seen very many conservatives lining up over the last 20 years pushing for limiting speech. Progressives on the other hand? Lots of them pushing for it. Especially on university campuses.

      Given the complaints against having some books in libraries, religious displays that aren't the traditional Judeo-Christian, etc. I'd say there certainly is butthurt on their side as well; only the focus of their butthurt is different. I've found some people on both sides are more than willing to support free speech as long it says what they want it to say but have a surprising lack of tolerance for a differing view. I find that wrong no matter which side of the fence takes that position. Critical thinking and good decision making requires hearing various points of view, not just those that agree with yours.

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    6. Re:Death By A Thousand Cuts by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Given the complaints against having some books in libraries, religious displays that aren't the traditional Judeo-Christian, etc. I'd say there certainly is butthurt on their side as well; only the focus of their butthurt is different. I've found some people on both sides are more than willing to support free speech as long it says what they want it to say but have a surprising lack of tolerance for a differing view. I find that wrong no matter which side of the fence takes that position. Critical thinking and good decision making requires hearing various points of view, not just those that agree with yours.

      Well I'll start out with the obvious, I'm against any type of censorship and get what you're saying. Though there is a difference between the two. Those religious display issues and so on that you're seeing from the religious right? Those in themselves are generally pretty tiny. You're not seeing "ban all books because reasons" mentality from them unless they're extremist muslims for example. On the other hand, there are a lot on the left especially progressives that are pushing whole banning on speech/though/expression. Most recent example at the government level would be NYC and their "we'll fine you if you hurt someones feelings for not using their pronouns." Then you can get into the whole bit with leftist university professors actively coming out and advocating banning all unapproved speech, saying that free speech isn't a right and so on.

      But I do agree, I've found plenty of people on both sides who are ardent free speech advocates. What's interesting is that these people all fall into the libertarian camp, whether they're left or right libertarian is moot in their eyes. Both sides see a greater danger from progressives and the religious right attacking fundamental freedoms for various reasons, whether those reasons are "someone drew a picture" or "those words hurt my feelings."

      As someone who's been all over the political spectrum(from socialist to hard conservative to middle of the road and having been actively involved in politics at a federal(Liberal Party Cdn) party level) in the last ~35+ years, the problem right now is with the left. It's very much the same as it was with the religious right in the 60's through 80's. The progressives on the left are exactly the same in their tone. Anti-free speech, anti-sex, anti-porn, etc., some even go as far as being anti-womens lib and against the sexual liberation movement of the 70's. It's interesting to note though that this started in the 90's(see Clinton/Gore/etc's anti-violence/sex/music crusade), so with luck no one will have to put up with their BS much longer, especially since we're starting to see a larger cultural backlash against and that's good. But the liberals in general need to get their crazies under control as much as the conservative right did. As it stands right now, I've met more ex-progressives and liberals who are moving towards the middle of the road or right then ever before because of it. And are disgusted with what the left has become, especially the pro-violence, attacking/threatening people who have different opinions and so on. Myself? I see similarities in this with the religious right of the 70's, and then becoming radicalized and committing acts of domestic terrorism. Anyway cheers.

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    7. Re:Death By A Thousand Cuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I'll start out with the obvious, I'm against any type of censorship and get what you're saying. Though there is a difference between the two. Those religious display issues and so on that you're seeing from the religious right? Those in themselves are generally pretty tiny. You're not seeing "ban all books because reasons" mentality from them unless they're extremist muslims for example.

      Oh yes, the right does want to burn Korans too, but they're also burning copies of Harry Potter as well. Frankly, I'm surprised that they haven't tried to ban Latin as the language of the Devil.

      On the other hand, there are a lot on the left especially progressives that are pushing whole banning on speech/though/expression. Most recent example at the government level would be NYC and their "we'll fine you if you hurt someones feelings for not using their pronouns."

      No, there's a lot of people pushing the idea that the left, especially progressives, are banning on speech/throught/expression/freedom because...well, they want to say racist and hateful things, and can't stand to be called out on it.

      Then you can get into the whole bit with leftist university professors actively coming out and advocating banning all unapproved speech, saying that free speech isn't a right and so on.

      You are familiar with Liberty University, aren't you? Any number of other Christian institutions that regulate thought?

      As someone who's been all over the political spectrum(from socialist to hard conservative to middle of the road and having been actively involved in politics at a federal(Liberal Party Cdn) party level) in the last ~35+ years, the problem right now is with the left.

      That'd be more believable if we hadn't been told that about the left throughout all of those 35 years, plus 35 more before hand.

      The progressives on the left are exactly the same in their tone. Anti-free speech, anti-sex, anti-porn, etc., some even go as far as being anti-womens lib and against the sexual liberation movement of the 70's.

      The sexual liberation movement became a party scene, and has its own problems, even excluding perils like STDs.

      But no, the anti-women's lib is the MRAs, they're not on the left, or progressive.

      It's interesting to note though that this started in the 90's(see Clinton/Gore/etc's anti-violence/sex/music crusade), so with luck no one will have to put up with their BS much longer, especially since we're starting to see a larger cultural backlash against and that's good.

      Your only example is actually a case of pandering to the religious right, not to the left. It didn't work, and it didn't last, it's not even part of the conversation.

      Don't be confused because somebody is identified as a democrat, that what they're doing is necessarily part of the left.

      But the liberals in general need to get their crazies under control as much as the conservative right did.

      You mean not at all? Because that's exactly the case for the right's crazies.

      As it stands right now, I've met more ex-progressives and liberals who are moving towards the middle of the road or right then ever before because of it. And are disgusted with what the left has become, especially the pro-violence, attacking/threatening people who have different opinions and so on. Myself? I see similarities in this with the religious right of the 70's, and then becoming radicalized and committing acts of domestic terrorism. Anyway cheers.

      Man, the number of people who believe that narrative is downright sad. But no matter how much Anne Coulter and her ilk try to pass on the idea that somehow the left is a paradigm of violence, it won't make their claims true. Charles Guiteau? John Wilkes Booth? All claimed to be liberal assassins.

      Meanwhile, the right does burn copies of Harry Potter, does assault Planned Parenthood, and does set up their "militia" occupations.

      But you'll never notice that, because you've been buying into the idea about the left being the enemy.

  43. So it begins... by Tempest_2084 · · Score: 1

    Given that hate speech these days is defined as "Things I don't agree with", this is simply going to end with those in charge deciding what people can and cannot talk about. I suppose it's a plus if your guys are the ones in charge, not so much if you're on the other side. I would say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but I don't think there are even good intentions here. This is just a power grab by those in charge to shut up people they don't like. They're only using terrorism as a cover.

    1. Re:So it begins... by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      We have deemed your insightful post [correction: baseless criticism], to be hate speech, and therefore it has been deleted. You have 1 warning remaining. A 3rd infraction may result in fines or or imprisonment or both.

      -Your new overlords.

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      Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
  44. In the US that would be an illegal trust. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Microsoft, Twitter, YouTube, Google, and Facebook ... aren't legally obligated, but have agreed ...

    Great! A conspiracy of the major industry players to censor unpopular opinions from their services.

    Seems to me, in the U.S., that would constitute an illegal cartel.

    Remember when the Internet was going to improve freedom of speech? Apparently not in Europe.

    Fortunately, the peer-to-peer approaches to conferencing still work. This just means that people using these commercial services, either to conference or to hunt for content, won't get to see or participate in the action - at least until they somehow find out about where it's going on.

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    1. Re:In the US that would be an illegal trust. by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but because they're doing something the government likes, they wouldn't be called out for it.

      --
      Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
    2. Re:In the US that would be an illegal trust. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Too true

      --
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  45. "European values and laws are respected" by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    European values and laws are respected

    Yea, didn't we fight a revolution to get rid of those things?

    The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. You might not like the Nazis, but trying to silence them just makes the situation worse.

    Look at the KKK in the USA, they are a joke. They have their little rallies and parades, but most people just roll their eyes at them. But if you tried to ban them, they would grow massively in support overnight.

    So let the Nazis spew their hate speech in the light where everyone can laugh at it.

    1. Re:"European values and laws are respected" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, didn't we fight a revolution to get rid of those things?

      No, not even close. Even leaving aside the constant references to Greek and Roman democracy, even Anglo-Saxon practices, within American political discourse, the fact is, the Alien and Sedition Acts were passed quite soon after the revolution.

      And after, well, there was a lot of silencing done, including a Senator being attacked at his desk. Then there's Haymarket Square, the 1918 Sedition Act, the Smith Act, and even the treatment of the Jehovah's Witnesses over their refusal to pledge allegiance.

      Sorry, but it's something widely embraced, most often by those who call themselves patriots and heroes.

      The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me. You might not like the Nazis, but trying to silence them just makes the situation worse.

      Look at the KKK in the USA, they are a joke. They have their little rallies and parades, but most people just roll their eyes at them. But if you tried to ban them, they would grow massively in support overnight.

      So let the Nazis spew their hate speech in the light where everyone can laugh at it.

      The KKK only became a joke after they were taken down, stopped from their abusive and dangerous actions, after their ideas became deplorable, and rather than tolerated, they were opposed. When they were popular, thought, they were much beloved.

      Which it why they're still dangerous and effective. It's still a running undercurrent in society, just not as obvious, more subtle.

      Yet still foul. When it comes down to it, the Nazi's and KKK aren't a joke, they're a poison. People won't laugh, they'll cheer.

      And the Nazis and KKK are first to portray themselves as the victims, the ones who are harmed. Truly, they are the suffering ones.

      Pity them, why don't you?

  46. Eye of the beholder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, 'hate speech' is often in the ear of the listener. Like most people, limiting hate speech sounds really good to me if I get to define what subjects it covers. The political left loves to try and limit the groups it applies to. Say something bad about someone gay and you are a hater. Say something equally bad about a Christian, a gun owner, or a conservative, then that is free game. The only thing consistent, is the inconsistency.

  47. Israel demands world internet censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great timing...

    http://prepareforchange.net/2016/05/29/israel-demands-world-internet-censorship/

  48. We never "get it" for long... by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    It's neat to live long enough to watch society repeat old mistakes.

    Those old dudes decided that speech is an inalienable right of humans for a reason, ya know? (Of course, even they didn't anticipate government prohibiting a plant.) There will be hate speech. The only place it's safe is out in the open where the speaker gets a broad audience and some fair feedback. Push it underground to small groups of people looking for it and you've got real problems brewing.

    Call me whatever you want, just don't call me late for dinner!

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  49. Does sarcastic hate speech count? by iTrawl · · Score: 1

    Here's a made up example: If after this, the EDL (English Defence League) rallies start yapping "We love the Muslamics* We want to give them cookies. They deserve cookies!", what then?

    *just google for "edl muslamic"

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  50. Feminism is cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate speech? Yea or nay?

  51. Good intentions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not a system where it hides the comment, but leaves an option to view it like "This was flagged as abusive/spam, click to view"?

    Perhaps if it used some sort of meta-tag system to describe what the comment contains too similar to how we already use them for SEO.

    Censorship in general (of the written and spoken word at least) doesn't feel like a solution where "the end justifies the means".

  52. All soldiers deserve to die, horribly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But is that hate speech?

  53. Difference between "hate speech" & "free speec by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    No difference as far as I can see.

    You can go anywhere and say things that are politically correct for that area. You have free speech in North Korea, as long as you don't say anything politically incorrect.

  54. We gotta do something before it's too late... by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    Corporate governance over our lives is near complete already. Add your name to an effort to stop it non-violently while/if we can : http://www.movetoamend.org/

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    When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
  55. Mind control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is mind control, now they are going to tell us what to , and what not to say, I think we should all go on a "anti social media" group and fight back against this non sense. I don't need social media in my life to feel like something, that's what happens with government influence on these big corporations

  56. Oligarchs agree to remove free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom of speech for politically correct speech only is not free speech. North Korea is better at "European values" than the EU, it would seem.

  57. I strongly support terrorists posting on Twitter by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > So you either support terrorism posts on Twitter and Facebook (ISIL et al.) or you don't.

    I very strongly support terrorists posting on Twitter.

    A long time ago, I was a licensed private investigator and I did a bit of bounty hunting - finding people who asked a bail bondsman to out their bail, then skipped out leaving the bondsman holding the bag. Once in a while, some idiot fugitive would post a picture or location on Twitter or Facebook; "Hangin with my homies at Kirk's Bar". An hour later, the idiot would be in jail. I would very much like for terrorists to be as stupid.

  58. In news from 1939... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Tech giants in conjunction with the Reich are taking a stand to fight those damned Jews.

  59. Our telescreens are portable and track us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's one thing better in 2016 than in 1984.

  60. Murica! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom freedom freedom!

    (except for niggers and faggots).

  61. Coming to America too by mi · · Score: 0

    For years the so-called "progressives" have been arguing for a ban on "hate speech". It is already verbotten on most campuses.

    On occasion, they may even threaten violence — while accusing "the haters" of making them "feel unsafe". Obviously, some hate is more equal than others.

    When this generation graduates and goes on to work at businesses (including their legal departments), as well as government-institutions, they'll bring their notions with them.

    --
    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
  62. Of course there will be No slippery slope ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... No slippery slope here, no sir ...

    How can that be?

    With millions of Jihadists working hand in h and with the PC crowd looking for 'hate speech' from the 'other side', how can there be any 'slippery slope', Sir?

    But of course, PC-compliance slogans such as 'Behead those who insult Islam' are permitted

    Borderline slogans such as 'Islam will dominate the world' will be permissible only if it is uttered by a moslem

  63. The Net treats censorship as a defect and ... by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    ... err who am I kidding... the Internet is owned by big content and you clowns don't stand a chance.

    If ever there was a case for moving away from big content this would be it. Every light on the panel is flashing red.

    1. Re:The Net treats censorship as a defect and ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean "Big aggregate"

      Google, facebook, twiter et al don't produce one jot of content, it's all user generated.

  64. War is the terrorism of the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech", says some Eurocrat.

    “Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich”, said the late Peter Ustinov.

    I'd say centuries of imperialism and oligarchy have reminded us of the need to protect our freedoms from the super-rich.

  65. Does hawkish govt rhetoric count as hate speech? by HongPong · · Score: 1

    I wonder if material like European politicians calling for the war on Libya, or supporting Israel's assorted plans to wipe Palestinians off the West Bank, or the austerity minions trying to find ways to shaft Greek citizens, do any of these things count as hate speech? The governments - thru the unaccountable EU behemoth - are trying to terrible things to a lot of people in that general part of the world and I wonder if their advocacy for their sinister ideas qualifies as hate speech. I'm assuming rich people with suits automatically will get a pass, as long as their views are close to whoever controls the European Commission.

  66. Think please by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yes of course that is what the article SAYS. The question was, WHY DO YOU THINK that non-squetor has any relation to what is being passed or how it will be used?

    Why make the propagandists job easier than it already is?

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  67. The New Nazi is back... and worse then before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. Adolph and Stalin would be smiling a big smile if they saw what is happening today. Imagine if Hitler could have silenced the hate against him as easy as this? The SS would have been half the size and the gas chambers twice as big.

    This answer and any answer given can be declared as 'hate' mail and therefore silenced. Don't be afraid, do something to stop these power hungry elitist now.

  68. Microsoft? Awesome... by DRMShill · · Score: 1

    Now us Windows 10 users can be considered a protected class. Down with Slashdot's hate for Windows 10.

  69. Define hate speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, now you have to define it.

    And once defined, you have to ENFORCE it, regardless of who it is. So I expect that a large number of Islamic hate sites and commentary to be shut down.

    That means if I criticize islam with facts, and then get threatened with hate speech, my comments should remain and the hate should be removed.

    Ya, good luck with that. Why do I get the feeling this is just a rampant abuse of my free speech rights?

    Orwell is be turning in his grave.

  70. And so dies free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Sure I believe in free speech, but you can't let that guy say those things!"

  71. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On Facebook you can say that Jews should be killed, and they will not remove it. They will remove any comments negative about BLM or Syrian immigration.

    It isn't stopping hate speech. It's forcing an agenda.

  72. I Love Niggers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this hate speech?

    1. Re:I Love Niggers! by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      It's -1, Love Speech that makes me uncomfortable.

  73. Isn't this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this what they are supposed to do, except they just don't enforce it because no-one complains?

    The only reason copy written stuff is taken down is because of media companies complaining extremely loudly.

  74. I smell a rat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So a small group in France no one has ever heard of before, French Jewish youth group (UEJF), slams a lawsuit on "tech giants" and this is what they all do in unison within 24 hours?

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What a crock of bull dung. Who is funding the UEJF? Who is this UEJF? A more important question is, why is the UEJF so powerful they can corral these "tech giants" to work together for a common cause within 24 hours? Seems rather quick to join together for the common cause of CENSORSHIP and of direct defiance of The United Nations' 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference, and impart information and ideas through any media regardless of frontiers"

  75. Different laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do realize that freedom of speech laws in Europe are not the same as the US? Hate speech has an actual definition in some States.

  76. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    You know, at least Jews do not [...] mutilate their women.

    Just their men, that's enough! :-D

  77. Poor employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "poor employees who will have to review awful things every day"

    No need to bring their financial status into this, they already have a bad job.

  78. The chans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is exactly why 4chan/8chan exist. Don't get me wrong, I have a heavy dislike for them but they are at least in part a product of oppressive censorship.

  79. Euphemism for oppression by police/government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate crime laws and censorship are not only undemocratic in that they are used to control unpopular speech, but they are also used to attack those with unpopular views. I'm gay and am *against hate crime laws and censorship of any kind*. No justification no matter how many people are molested or killed can justify such laws, but it's misleading to suggest these laws do anything positive to reduce hate or reduce violent crime anyway, and even if they did it wouldn't be justified. You don't have a free society nor a democratic one with such laws in place. You don't get to decide what someone can think or feel. If someone is murdered by someone that has racist views they should be tried for murder and not not for what they believe politically even if it seems dangerous. And such persons should not be further penalized for such political beliefs either even if there is a direct connection to the crime (ie the murdered says 'I killed that fag because all faggots should die'). Such as 'gays should be killed' or that 'there is nothing wrong with abusing children'. The opinions are not victimizing in and of themselves and people who kill or rape can be charged with crimes regardless of any unpopular political opinions held.

  80. The Stupid-O-Meter by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    My Stupid-O-Meter just blew out the back of the case, achieved escape velocity, and will probably knock a chunk out of one of Saturn's rings on its way to deep space.

    --
    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  81. I can't stand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't stand all the hateful, racist, white nationalist rhetoric I hear on a daily basis in the US. Racist hate floods the TV airways, the comments on the Internet by paid trolls, textbooks, the political discussions, the policies being pushed and just about every aspect of life in the US. But, like it or not, don't believe the solution is to shut down speech. If anything all the hate does is empower us to speak up against it and helps others become more sympathetic to the issue.

  82. tech companies != God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://biblehub.com/romans/12-9.htm

    Pay Bill / Zuck a dick do not determine nor can they determine what is good or evil.

    Dig a big big big fucking tomb.

  83. philosophical conundrum by bingoUV · · Score: 1

    Is speech really speech if no one hears it?

    --
    Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
  84. Re:I strongly support terrorists posting on Twitte by fgouget · · Score: 1

    I very strongly support terrorists posting on Twitter.

    A long time ago, I was a licensed private investigator[...]

    Your funny story is irrelevant in a situation where the terrorists post from Syria for recruitment purposes.

  85. Welcome back to the GDR. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    If you liked East Germany or the USSR, now you get a second crack at the bat - in the name of "feelings".

    Never mind that the private sector partnership is used as a shield against government accountability.

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    Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
  86. [removed] by SkyLeach · · Score: 1

    This comment has been removed for anti-fascist hate content.

    sincerely,
    President Hillary Rodham Trump

    --
    My $0.02 will always be worth more than your â0.02, so :-p
  87. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And right on que, the Hasbara troll steps in steps in with it's lies and character assassination attempts, proudly, and in support of the Israeli terrorists.

  88. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, not just one Hasbara troll just happens to appear, but two. Naturally. And probably 3 more on the sidelines watching and waiting, like school yard bullies.

    The funny thing is, there is no hate speech in that comment whatsoever. The author of that comment merely states what he/she sees as being wrong in their country and why.

    So why would the Hasbara trolls even bother with this? Because there is TRUTH to it. And it is the TRUTH that Israel and her agents of misery fear the most. And instead of repenting their evil deeds and righting the wrongs that they have caused the Palestinians and the rest of the world, they simply deny all charges and attack anyone who exposes their evil deeds.

    It's also interesting (and hypocritical) of little INTernet_QuiRK to blatantly post a false claim of "hate speech" while at the same time calling the author a "freaking idiot".

  89. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And as predicted, Hasbara troll # 3 steps in to defend terrorist Israel and spread more lies and hatred about Muslims. Isn't that hate speech? Oh right, the "as that would be" clause "protects" little troll from being called out on his own hate crime.

  90. Zionists will love this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... while they go about ethnic cleansing the Palesitinians, any evidence put online will be deemed hate speech and disappeared.

  91. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, and Hasbara troll # 4 comes on the field and "suggests" that Muslims like to kill people in public places, take taxpayer's money and rape women (compared to the Jews who do not!).

    Then this morally bankrupt loser "suggests" that Europe should have a Wall of Apartheid like Israel, but cleverly compares it to the Berlin wall (which was torn down in the name of peace and freedom) instead of Israel's famous and shameful "Wall of Apartheid".

    And yet again, supposedly in support of reducing hate speech, this disgusting little hasbara troll "hopes for a terrorist attack in Germany".

    No wonder nobody likes you.

  92. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's the stupidest thing I've read for.. well, ever!

  93. Free Speach by villageelder1 · · Score: 1

    This is what happens in a place that has no (similar to) First Amendment and Second Amendment rights.

  94. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by benjfowler · · Score: 0

    I'm not a Jew, you vile, hypocritical racist. Fuck off and die please.

  95. insanity in one sentence fragment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech,"

    "The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech,"

    "The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech,"

    The logic here is unbelievable

  96. Re:pro-jew = 'good', pro-muslim = 'bad' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't call you a Jew; I called you a troll.

    But slanderous hater would have been a more accurate description.

  97. acting like they are helping - lies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://time.com/4352179/facebook-twitter-google-hate-speech/

    It is censorship, the type exercised by those wishing to rule. They don't care if el homeboy told
    called Pat a dyke on the Internet. They care if they can stop backlash against them. They want
    precedent.

    There is much deserved hate for these companies. Facebook and Twitter profile who you are as much as
    possible. They record who you know, where you are, where you were, who you were with, what you
    think-thought-might-do.. what you own, where you got it.. etc. Accessible at a moment's notice to the
    ruling conspirators.

    It is subterfuge, and but a fraction of the big picture. 9/11 was the result of a plot by a man
    everybody knows as George Bush Sr. He and his cronies saw evil opportunity in the gullibility of the
    tax paying public. Being head of a lying spy agency (CIA) was a gateway to distribution of a collage
    of lies. (eg. 1000 points of light speech).

    Right now you have a built world with established geographical boundaries. Where there should be
    simple neighbor principles where boundaries are defended, the CIA and it's diminishing network of
    liars are hypocritically supporting mass immigration. Politicians and Jewish media hammer their
    deceitful narratives into all minds young and old in every conduit they notice.

    It is like this. A windows shop goes out of business if nobody has a need and none break. A
    terrorism/spy business goes out of business if nobody has a need and none break. It was much more
    attractive to be sneaks in the name of lies than it was to be windows installers.

    The tie-in is that the US Gov spies cooperate on all levels with international spies and moles.
    Having access to everybody's data may seem like "what would they possibly do with it if they have
    literally everybody's, they are not God". Having access to it means they can scare you. That is what
    spooks do. That is why Bill Gates has 80 Billion dollars net worth and sells the spyware OS known as
    Windows. He doesn't want to die. They are fucking pussies, the whole lot.

    Jesus is the Light of this world, and He is coming. It is the will of The Father. Kingdom come, Thy
    Will be done.

  98. Ban Ads! by Toshito · · Score: 1

    Let's get together and create a new religion where we define Advertisements as hate speech.

    Then they'll have to ban Ads.

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    Try it! Library of Babel