Do you have any better ideas for getting information out of suspected terrorists that is likely to work?
No, but that doesn't matter when -- by moral and legal measures -- you're not supposed to torture people. If you are arguing that torture is necessary, then you are arguing for breaking BOTH the moral and legal bases for the United States government system. So don't be coy; just admit you want Fascism.
If you want to play the "war" angle to support the idea of legalized torture, please realize that the US Congress did not declare war, it just authorized the President to conduct military operations. This is why no one is being prosecuted for sedition or treason -- a legal state of war simply doesn't exist right now. Therefore torture is still illegal, at the very least.
I wish I could agree with you, but on the basis of your arugments I don't. Cable has long been centrally managed and elitist, hence the "public access channel" thing just doesn't gather that many eyeballs. Websites in contrast CAN. Not to use FUD, but if the FEC can regulate candidate political expression according to rules of spending, exposure, etc.... then perhaps this kind of thing can be used against a website run by anyone linked to a candidate. Then we have to ask what "linked to a candidate" really means at the time of enforcement.
I dimly recall the brouhaha over Kos having some link to the Dean campaign. The link turned out to be a technical one, but that alone may trigger FEC rules... the full extent of which I certainly don't know.
very soon the distribution of Free software will be illegal
Fine by me. Linux, FOSS and the GPL are revolutionary acts, by opposing Hypercapitalist ownership philosophy in the rapidly Fascist-izing system of the West. By definition, these elements will be illegalized, since no legal system authorizes its own overthrow (particularly one of such profound unfairness as is being strongly promoted in America).
When Linux is essentially made illegal, We The People will have to pass it around covertly then, like we do with pirated DVDs now. It'll be slow, but it'll be freedom.
Either that, or the People will finally take populist control of their governments. (Fat chance of that happening.)
We have tolerated too long the concept of passing laws that men cannot or will not obey, hence we have tolerated the rise of a general contempt for the law. We wanted this to happen. Lacking popular will, we wanted to produce a criminal society.
There's something to be said about the urge to want the music to stop since you already have a seat. This is the fundamental drive of the establishment. They are OK with a general decay of an innovation environment as long as their 5% market share (and corresponding guaranteed income streams) is a lock-in.
In fact, we are probably lucky that Capitalists and Hypercapitalists tend to want more, since they are then willing to risk loss at certain periods in order to make gains, hence by definition are willing to allow innovation to continue. Remember too that with cross-licensing, many corporations will continue to develop products and services that will increase their earning ability, albeit not at a break-neck pace as before the era of patent-doom (i.e. innovation ossification). The price of this corporate stability is the loss of individual liberty... exactly according to plan.
According to now common sentiment, you're supposed to desire and support extensive restriction of rights since you are one of the "ownership society" who holds a financial interest in some fraction of these rights due to your holdings of stocks and bonds. Simple. Of course, that's a hell society of vicious exploiters, but that should have been an obvious end result, foreseen long ago. In the meantime, enjoy your stock portfolio... until you find out that you can't eat electrons.
Amazing. By the time the 2nd syllable was out of his mouth in my direction, he'd be up against the wall with profound respiratory problems from a sudden larynx constriction. I've got no priors; I can take an assault charge, easy.
Having demands climb the command ladder is a big problem with today's spineless dweeb that is characteristically in supervisor and management positions. Literally, these folks are out of their fucking minds with bone-chilling fear of being fired... what with all the car, house, wife-n-kids, and credit-card bills they are laboring under. I've been told as much (with less drama) by said supervisors; they commonly say if they don't implement the such-and-so painful, unfair or outright Fascist policies, that they'll be fired and replaced by someone who will.
Today's corporations are extremely top-down. No complaints of any significance can climb up against that torrential downpour of owner demands. I expect it. Which is why I've stopped being a consumer to a great degree, and only encourage others to do the same. We have to bankrupt the corporations before they actually kill us. Bankrupt them and buy out their assets for pennies on the dollar... and then go into small business for ourselves, where the real security is.
Too true. The guy who delivers a desired metric (speed of service) while fucking up out-of-metric items (quality of service) is operating in the current business paradigm and is going to win the hearts and minds of the executive class. We have to teach the managers and execs that quality of delivery is important. And the best way to do that is point out how much money that shabby preparations are really costing them.
Gosh, and what happens when you refuse to comply? Yep, that's right, they can only usher you off the property... which is what you were doing in the first place.
They have no right to search your person, no matter how "on property" you are. You are secure from unreasonable search and seizure as recognized by the US Constitution. An attempt to search your person by another citizen constitutes assault, which the last time I checked, WAS a crime. Get a clue, sheep.
Fry's could also call the cops, but there's no probable cause, my friend, and certainly no law being broken.
Whatever happened to learning for learning's sake?
Is it really too obscure a fact that the American economy has been failing for at least a generation?
Greed and fear have led us to this end: college has become a class necessity.
If you're in your 30s like me, our parenting generation started to be destroyed when we were growing up. Now, 2-income families are utterly normal. And we are sliding into the same trend, producing little worker bees ourselves. We are not showing them the value of acquiring a home and cultivating it over time, since we treat homes just as another stock certificate.
As jobs continue to flow out of America, this is just going to get worse. Employers will continue the process of superqualification, simply due to the vicious reason that they CAN. Where before a HS grad could obtain a job, now a Bachelor-level degree is "required". Where Bachelor-level before, now Master-level. Etc.
If you want a home, cars, toys and kids, it's 99.9% likely that you're going to have to knuckle under and follow the superqualification effect. And it's too easy to let an indebted lifestyle further drive you either into supporting the system, or being mauled by it. You DO know that credit checks are now standard methods of evaluating employees, right? Screw up your finances, and you're a marked man, which pushes you out of the earnings band that would help you recover.
This is the economic system of intense booms and busts, almost solely attuned to the purpose of minting more millionaires at the expense of general prosperity. I'm rather looking forward to seeing hordes of guys with Bachelor's degrees standing in line at the unemployment office, as the new set of nearly unemployable people. (Actually, that viewpoint is a bit false, since unemployment offices themselves have been closing as state governments themselves try to downsize to save costs. So, those degree-bees will be surfin' the net for the months and years it will require for them to attain 50% of the lifestyle before the crash.)
As an avowed gun owner and SecondAmendmentarian, I strongly doubt THAT, Cupcake.
Fiscally conservative, socially liberal... yeah, the left and right winger-dingers don't know what to do with us expect marginalize and ignore us. Funny how their economic policies still come around and bite their Fascist structures somewhere, eh? Blowback... I LOVE IT!
Yep, I just love it when corporations are screwed by the very Imperial mechanisms they use to enslave the People. States in particular are being squeezed so fiscally hard that they are starting to actually get tough with the corporations. The rightwingnuts will predictably scream how this is anti-American, unproductive, Socialism and other such Limbaugh/Hannity nonsense. But that doesn't matter. What's good for the goose is good for the gander... until we get the rightwingnuts reverting to a desperate honesty and start screaming that the People have few rights while the corporations and wealthy have many rights. Then it's shootin' time... time to start the civil war, folks.
Like your NYC example, I've watched my fucking state (Ohio) slam people out of their properties due to the bullshit "economic development" clause of modern eminent domain theory. Well, the same logic can be applied to patents. We The People can just take them away from their owners (with "just compensation", how do ya like that sum, assholes?) and place them to something that approximates public benefit.
If Americans had kept their corporations under populist controls all this time, this kind of step would not be necessary. But here we are, in the age of corporate dominance. But vox populi is still out there -- and it's going to be a lot louder than anyone ever remembered it being. \/\/00t!1!11!
Want to stop working? OK with me. We The People will build some barracks for people like you, with day labor duties (picking up waste along the highways, that sort of thing) to fill some of your time, and of course you'll be fed 3 bland (but filling) bulk meals each day.
Oh, were you expecting to get a "gubmint chek"? Sorry, Charlie, we REAL fiscal conservatives and social liberals are down on the old welfare methods and even older class-warfare philosophies. We can well provide for the real unfortunates of society without falling into the welfare trap.
Speaking of welfare, make sure you bring your anti-welfare sentiments to the attention of your Congressional representatives. There's a LOT of corporate welfare payments going on, and we do need to put a stop to that since it damages the incentives of enterprise... right?
Sure, why not? The company could collapse, but remain as a corporate shell that it takes peanuts to support, and various execs with remaining stockholdings could pony up yearly fees (again, peanuts when compared to getting a big settlement from IBM, etc.) to have some law firm continue prosecuting the case. With all the millions that SCO execs probably have squirreled away from their immense stock fraud, this could be a thorn indeed.
SCO's legal battle with IBM/Linux/OSS/whatever is a stock-pumping scam.
De-listing them will curtail their stock marketability, hence the motivation to continue the legal battle.
Don't get me wrong. Their executives' stock could still be sold... but under less advantageous conditions, especially that of liquidity. Also, a de-listing could lead to a devaluation, which would simply further harm the stockholdings of these execs. These two effects may be enough for them to throw in the towel with this bullshit legal battle.
Somewhere along the line of businessmen, there will be a paid demand to deliver ads. Under the force of such a demand, somewhere else along the line a technical advertiser is going to make sure the ad can be delivered... even overcoming obstacles, even if some of those obstacles were put into place on purpose.
Basically, the tech side of the ad delivery wants to prove the ads are deliverable, so it can turn around and bill the demand side. Hence, it's easy for the demand side to miss the fundmental idea that pushing ads on people who don't want them, is a bad move.
Similarly, how many times in corporate America does the front and back office play the CYA game, hence seeming to conspire to screw people over? It's normal. Sure, it's also bad business practice, but that's the current state of America.
Doubters will tend to avoid such information, since the 2000 Florida debacle was a highly politicized situation. I've tried in several instances to reveal the suspect methods of Harris to avowed Republicans, but as soon as they heard that I got my information from the Internet and indie documentaries (i.e. not from Fox News), they disregarded the information entirely.
The same thing is now happening with the Ohio frauds. Doubters needn't look any further than the statements of Ken Blackwell (Republican) in his summary dismissal of any such concerns. I'm watching it happen. Heck, the Congress only took a couple of lazy hours to dismiss the questions over the vote results from Ohio and a couple of other states.
Yep, that's capitalism, but luckily we have an actual society in which this capitalism exists, hence the power to sue those who abuse public trust.
To have a society, you'd have to care just a wee bit more than "I stopped company X from stealing my money from fraud". You'd also have to care about company X stealing money via fraud from other people (hence, the "tyrant" power of the legal system).
Apparently, you just don't fucking care about other people. Please add that to your sig so the rest of us can see you coming.
I don't think that's a "problem" that needs solving.
With the frequency that I see people making volume adjustments for the reasons I specified -- often frantically grabbing the remote to turn off a blast of sound or turn up whispering scene -- it clearly IS a problem. I'm just asking why the manufacturers have ignored this problem.
Here's a suddenly-realized question for you: Why don't VCRs have a 30-sec skip feature? I've never seen one.
For that matter, why don't VCR (and now DVD) players have 2-level sound settings? I've noticed that movies generally have ultra-loud scenes and soft scenes, like battles and conversations; it would be useful to have 2 sound levels set to accomodate these.
Can you actually drink your tap water? Sorry this is one of the worst examples
I feel sorry for you if you live in an area where drinking tap water is some sort of "ewww" (disgust) or "aagh" (health) matter. The truth is, most tap water in the United States is perfectly safe to drink. The pervasive presence of bottled water is just a yuppie affectation and should be discounted as any indicator.
Deregulation of power companies always makes a bunch of news for the first year or two because of the big mix ups and shifting changes but ends up for the better. Please actually do some long term research rather than just pointing at messed up transitions pains.
Now you're just being silly. Deregulation of power has produced the lastest scam upon the public, called "stranded costs". In Ohio (granted, one of America's highest-cost power markets) these fees are simply being continued for no rational reason except that the public is effectively powerless before the corporations seeking the money.
Deregulation is also hardly a matter of getting government out of the business of power. As it stands, a private company provided power before deregulation, and afterward only a couple more of them are involved. Deregulation really doesn't indicate a lack of governance... not when compared to the matter being discussed, that being government being a provider of services. If you want to compare government providers to private providers, then compare them... but deregulation isn't really involved in that.
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Do you have any better ideas for getting information out of suspected terrorists that is likely to work?
No, but that doesn't matter when -- by moral and legal measures -- you're not supposed to torture people. If you are arguing that torture is necessary, then you are arguing for breaking BOTH the moral and legal bases for the United States government system. So don't be coy; just admit you want Fascism.
If you want to play the "war" angle to support the idea of legalized torture, please realize that the US Congress did not declare war, it just authorized the President to conduct military operations. This is why no one is being prosecuted for sedition or treason -- a legal state of war simply doesn't exist right now. Therefore torture is still illegal, at the very least.
I wish I could agree with you, but on the basis of your arugments I don't. Cable has long been centrally managed and elitist, hence the "public access channel" thing just doesn't gather that many eyeballs. Websites in contrast CAN. Not to use FUD, but if the FEC can regulate candidate political expression according to rules of spending, exposure, etc. ... then perhaps this kind of thing can be used against a website run by anyone linked to a candidate. Then we have to ask what "linked to a candidate" really means at the time of enforcement.
... the full extent of which I certainly don't know.
I dimly recall the brouhaha over Kos having some link to the Dean campaign. The link turned out to be a technical one, but that alone may trigger FEC rules
very soon the distribution of Free software will be illegal
Fine by me. Linux, FOSS and the GPL are revolutionary acts, by opposing Hypercapitalist ownership philosophy in the rapidly Fascist-izing system of the West. By definition, these elements will be illegalized, since no legal system authorizes its own overthrow (particularly one of such profound unfairness as is being strongly promoted in America).
When Linux is essentially made illegal, We The People will have to pass it around covertly then, like we do with pirated DVDs now. It'll be slow, but it'll be freedom.
Either that, or the People will finally take populist control of their governments. (Fat chance of that happening.)
We have tolerated too long the concept of passing laws that men cannot or will not obey, hence we have tolerated the rise of a general contempt for the law. We wanted this to happen. Lacking popular will, we wanted to produce a criminal society.
There's something to be said about the urge to want the music to stop since you already have a seat. This is the fundamental drive of the establishment. They are OK with a general decay of an innovation environment as long as their 5% market share (and corresponding guaranteed income streams) is a lock-in.
... exactly according to plan.
In fact, we are probably lucky that Capitalists and Hypercapitalists tend to want more, since they are then willing to risk loss at certain periods in order to make gains, hence by definition are willing to allow innovation to continue. Remember too that with cross-licensing, many corporations will continue to develop products and services that will increase their earning ability, albeit not at a break-neck pace as before the era of patent-doom (i.e. innovation ossification). The price of this corporate stability is the loss of individual liberty
According to now common sentiment, you're supposed to desire and support extensive restriction of rights since you are one of the "ownership society" who holds a financial interest in some fraction of these rights due to your holdings of stocks and bonds. Simple. Of course, that's a hell society of vicious exploiters, but that should have been an obvious end result, foreseen long ago. In the meantime, enjoy your stock portfolio ... until you find out that you can't eat electrons.
Amazing. By the time the 2nd syllable was out of his mouth in my direction, he'd be up against the wall with profound respiratory problems from a sudden larynx constriction. I've got no priors; I can take an assault charge, easy.
Where do these people hide, anyway?
Having demands climb the command ladder is a big problem with today's spineless dweeb that is characteristically in supervisor and management positions. Literally, these folks are out of their fucking minds with bone-chilling fear of being fired ... what with all the car, house, wife-n-kids, and credit-card bills they are laboring under. I've been told as much (with less drama) by said supervisors; they commonly say if they don't implement the such-and-so painful, unfair or outright Fascist policies, that they'll be fired and replaced by someone who will.
... and then go into small business for ourselves, where the real security is.
Today's corporations are extremely top-down. No complaints of any significance can climb up against that torrential downpour of owner demands. I expect it. Which is why I've stopped being a consumer to a great degree, and only encourage others to do the same. We have to bankrupt the corporations before they actually kill us. Bankrupt them and buy out their assets for pennies on the dollar
Too true. The guy who delivers a desired metric (speed of service) while fucking up out-of-metric items (quality of service) is operating in the current business paradigm and is going to win the hearts and minds of the executive class. We have to teach the managers and execs that quality of delivery is important. And the best way to do that is point out how much money that shabby preparations are really costing them.
Gosh, and what happens when you refuse to comply? Yep, that's right, they can only usher you off the property ... which is what you were doing in the first place.
They have no right to search your person, no matter how "on property" you are. You are secure from unreasonable search and seizure as recognized by the US Constitution. An attempt to search your person by another citizen constitutes assault, which the last time I checked, WAS a crime. Get a clue, sheep.
Fry's could also call the cops, but there's no probable cause, my friend, and certainly no law being broken.
That'll be covered by Microsoft's 2008 patent on its data infrastructure enterprise solution ".BIT". All the bits will be evil then.
Whatever happened to learning for learning's sake?
Is it really too obscure a fact that the American economy has been failing for at least a generation?
Greed and fear have led us to this end: college has become a class necessity.
If you're in your 30s like me, our parenting generation started to be destroyed when we were growing up. Now, 2-income families are utterly normal. And we are sliding into the same trend, producing little worker bees ourselves. We are not showing them the value of acquiring a home and cultivating it over time, since we treat homes just as another stock certificate.
As jobs continue to flow out of America, this is just going to get worse. Employers will continue the process of superqualification, simply due to the vicious reason that they CAN. Where before a HS grad could obtain a job, now a Bachelor-level degree is "required". Where Bachelor-level before, now Master-level. Etc.
If you want a home, cars, toys and kids, it's 99.9% likely that you're going to have to knuckle under and follow the superqualification effect. And it's too easy to let an indebted lifestyle further drive you either into supporting the system, or being mauled by it. You DO know that credit checks are now standard methods of evaluating employees, right? Screw up your finances, and you're a marked man, which pushes you out of the earnings band that would help you recover.
This is the economic system of intense booms and busts, almost solely attuned to the purpose of minting more millionaires at the expense of general prosperity. I'm rather looking forward to seeing hordes of guys with Bachelor's degrees standing in line at the unemployment office, as the new set of nearly unemployable people. (Actually, that viewpoint is a bit false, since unemployment offices themselves have been closing as state governments themselves try to downsize to save costs. So, those degree-bees will be surfin' the net for the months and years it will require for them to attain 50% of the lifestyle before the crash.)
Well, not with the software overhead in various checksums that will be had in 2010:
- MPAA/RIAA field (the "copy checksum")
- Dept. of Homeland Security header (the "red checksum")
- UN Standards bit (the "blue checksum")
- .SUM (the "Microsoft checksum")
Those are apt to take up quite a bit of space. So maybe you'll get 15 DVDs (maybe 20 by paying Microsoft an expansion fee) on that postage stamp.As an avowed gun owner and SecondAmendmentarian, I strongly doubt THAT, Cupcake.
... yeah, the left and right winger-dingers don't know what to do with us expect marginalize and ignore us. Funny how their economic policies still come around and bite their Fascist structures somewhere, eh? Blowback ... I LOVE IT!
Fiscally conservative, socially liberal
Yep, I just love it when corporations are screwed by the very Imperial mechanisms they use to enslave the People. States in particular are being squeezed so fiscally hard that they are starting to actually get tough with the corporations. The rightwingnuts will predictably scream how this is anti-American, unproductive, Socialism and other such Limbaugh/Hannity nonsense. But that doesn't matter. What's good for the goose is good for the gander ... until we get the rightwingnuts reverting to a desperate honesty and start screaming that the People have few rights while the corporations and wealthy have many rights. Then it's shootin' time ... time to start the civil war, folks.
Like your NYC example, I've watched my fucking state (Ohio) slam people out of their properties due to the bullshit "economic development" clause of modern eminent domain theory. Well, the same logic can be applied to patents. We The People can just take them away from their owners (with "just compensation", how do ya like that sum, assholes?) and place them to something that approximates public benefit.
If Americans had kept their corporations under populist controls all this time, this kind of step would not be necessary. But here we are, in the age of corporate dominance. But vox populi is still out there -- and it's going to be a lot louder than anyone ever remembered it being. \/\/00t!1!11!
Want to stop working? OK with me. We The People will build some barracks for people like you, with day labor duties (picking up waste along the highways, that sort of thing) to fill some of your time, and of course you'll be fed 3 bland (but filling) bulk meals each day.
... right?
Oh, were you expecting to get a "gubmint chek"? Sorry, Charlie, we REAL fiscal conservatives and social liberals are down on the old welfare methods and even older class-warfare philosophies. We can well provide for the real unfortunates of society without falling into the welfare trap.
Speaking of welfare, make sure you bring your anti-welfare sentiments to the attention of your Congressional representatives. There's a LOT of corporate welfare payments going on, and we do need to put a stop to that since it damages the incentives of enterprise
Sure, why not? The company could collapse, but remain as a corporate shell that it takes peanuts to support, and various execs with remaining stockholdings could pony up yearly fees (again, peanuts when compared to getting a big settlement from IBM, etc.) to have some law firm continue prosecuting the case. With all the millions that SCO execs probably have squirreled away from their immense stock fraud, this could be a thorn indeed.
We may as well just say it:
... but under less advantageous conditions, especially that of liquidity. Also, a de-listing could lead to a devaluation, which would simply further harm the stockholdings of these execs. These two effects may be enough for them to throw in the towel with this bullshit legal battle.
SCO's legal battle with IBM/Linux/OSS/whatever is a stock-pumping scam.
De-listing them will curtail their stock marketability, hence the motivation to continue the legal battle.
Don't get me wrong. Their executives' stock could still be sold
Somewhere along the line of businessmen, there will be a paid demand to deliver ads. Under the force of such a demand, somewhere else along the line a technical advertiser is going to make sure the ad can be delivered ... even overcoming obstacles, even if some of those obstacles were put into place on purpose.
Basically, the tech side of the ad delivery wants to prove the ads are deliverable, so it can turn around and bill the demand side. Hence, it's easy for the demand side to miss the fundmental idea that pushing ads on people who don't want them, is a bad move.
Similarly, how many times in corporate America does the front and back office play the CYA game, hence seeming to conspire to screw people over? It's normal. Sure, it's also bad business practice, but that's the current state of America.
Doubters will tend to avoid such information, since the 2000 Florida debacle was a highly politicized situation. I've tried in several instances to reveal the suspect methods of Harris to avowed Republicans, but as soon as they heard that I got my information from the Internet and indie documentaries (i.e. not from Fox News), they disregarded the information entirely.
The same thing is now happening with the Ohio frauds. Doubters needn't look any further than the statements of Ken Blackwell (Republican) in his summary dismissal of any such concerns. I'm watching it happen. Heck, the Congress only took a couple of lazy hours to dismiss the questions over the vote results from Ohio and a couple of other states.
The era of approved information is over. I'm happy about that. Apparently snobs like Gorman aren't. Too bad for him.
Astronomers don't call them "lenscaps".
They are "visible light filters". After all, neutrinos, gamma rays, etc. can still pass.
Yep, that's capitalism, but luckily we have an actual society in which this capitalism exists, hence the power to sue those who abuse public trust.
To have a society, you'd have to care just a wee bit more than "I stopped company X from stealing my money from fraud". You'd also have to care about company X stealing money via fraud from other people (hence, the "tyrant" power of the legal system).
Apparently, you just don't fucking care about other people. Please add that to your sig so the rest of us can see you coming.
I don't think that's a "problem" that needs solving.
With the frequency that I see people making volume adjustments for the reasons I specified -- often frantically grabbing the remote to turn off a blast of sound or turn up whispering scene -- it clearly IS a problem. I'm just asking why the manufacturers have ignored this problem.
Here's a suddenly-realized question for you: Why don't VCRs have a 30-sec skip feature? I've never seen one.
For that matter, why don't VCR (and now DVD) players have 2-level sound settings? I've noticed that movies generally have ultra-loud scenes and soft scenes, like battles and conversations; it would be useful to have 2 sound levels set to accomodate these.
Can you actually drink your tap water? Sorry this is one of the worst examples
... not when compared to the matter being discussed, that being government being a provider of services. If you want to compare government providers to private providers, then compare them ... but deregulation isn't really involved in that.
I feel sorry for you if you live in an area where drinking tap water is some sort of "ewww" (disgust) or "aagh" (health) matter. The truth is, most tap water in the United States is perfectly safe to drink. The pervasive presence of bottled water is just a yuppie affectation and should be discounted as any indicator.
Deregulation of power companies always makes a bunch of news for the first year or two because of the big mix ups and shifting changes but ends up for the better. Please actually do some long term research rather than just pointing at messed up transitions pains.
Now you're just being silly. Deregulation of power has produced the lastest scam upon the public, called "stranded costs". In Ohio (granted, one of America's highest-cost power markets) these fees are simply being continued for no rational reason except that the public is effectively powerless before the corporations seeking the money.
Deregulation is also hardly a matter of getting government out of the business of power. As it stands, a private company provided power before deregulation, and afterward only a couple more of them are involved. Deregulation really doesn't indicate a lack of governance