Take a look at this document (note: it's a PDF file). It's written in legalese, but if you read between the lines, it shows what happens when a lawyer loses patience. Basically, IBM's law firm can't call SCO a bunch of liars, cheats, four-flushers and shysters in a court document, but this document sure makes it sound like they wish they could. Highly entertaining, and highly recommended.
As I understand from reading Groklaw (hi PJ), tomorrow is sort of a status hearing. Both sides have filed requests asking the court to compel the other party to do something. SCO is basically asking the court to tell IBM to hand over every file in their possession relating to Unix, Linux, AIX or any other operating system that ends in "X" so they can plow though them to see what they can accuse IBM of doing wrong. IBM, on the other hand, is asking the court, "SCO has been claiming for months that they have evidence that we trespassed on something or other of theirs. Please tell them it's time to put up or shut up. Make them show what evidence they have or admit they have no case."
That is a gross oversimplification but it's basically what it boils down to. Based on the results of tomorrow's hearing, the parties will probably be required to return to court in a month or two to see if they've followed the court's orders.
So you're just a bit off on your understanding of discovery. Tomorrow's hearing is not the end of the discovery process; basically, it's a chance for the two sides and the magistrate judge to assess how much progress has been made in discovery so far and what still needs to be done.
I would guess it's because FAT is a lowest common denominator file system. Pretty much anything can read FAT, from DOS 2.1 on up. So, I have a camera that writes to a FAT filesystem on its memory card, and when I plug it into my Linux box (or my wife's Windows box, or my brother-in-law's Mac), they can all read it (assuming they can see the camera as a mass storage device).
More to the point, any floppy or other removable medium you format as FAT can be read all across the board too.
The problem, of course, is that all the manufacturers out there saw this ubiquitous, though admittedly clunky, flle system and decided to use it, and now that they're committed Microsoft is lowering the boom.
OK, I RTFA and it doesn't look to me like they were going after Gentoo specifically. The way I read it, this was just a box somewhere that a sponsor had set up to house a Gentoo rsync node, and had a bunch of other stuff on it as well. The box got rooted and the cracker didn't touch any of the other stuff on the box -- just what he needed to obfuscate his entry and do all the usual rootkit stuff.
Why do they do this? Because they can. Personally, I blame that darn rap music.
I'd just set up a remote box specifically for logging and connect it to a cheapo dot-matrix line printer and have the logs printed to paper. Yeah, you might use a bunch of paper, but it also might come in real handy if you ever need to figure out what really happened to your box.
According to Groklaw his only comment so far has been "no comment." I can't remember whether that's on advice of counsel, or just evidence of his good sense.
Even so, it's a pointless request, and if enforced would probably mean that LA County couldn't buy hard drives at all, since most drives have clear labels on how to set the "master" and "slave" jumpers.
Uh oh, this post is probably officially data non grata in Los Angeles COunty now.
I don't know about anyone else, but I hope to have the major Christmas shopping done by Thanksgiving and just let others "enjoy" the holiday shopping experience. We plan on spending Black Friday hosting a party for our granddaughter's friends, and not going anywhere near anything that looks like a store.
If you have a chance look up Stan Freberg's classic audio cut "Green Chri$tma$". Yes, that's the official spelling. He released it in 1959 and it's as valid a commentary 44 years on as it was then.
that Stallman refuses to be involved in this unless all references to Open Source software are disallowed and everyone on both sides has to say "GNU/Linux" every time they talk about a distribution?
I love Gentoo because I can put the bare minimum on my machines and then build up from there whether it be Gnome or KDE or a strict web server box with no GUI. To build it up all I have to do is grab the packages I want with emerge. I can roll my own distro in a way.
heh
Yeah yeah, I know I know, Debian has its stable version where Gentoo is a constantly moving target, Debian has been around longer, supports more architectures . . . I would probably have migrated to Debian the last time I went distro shopping if I hadn't found Gentoo first.
Well, actually supporting live CDs is supporting Debian more than the other way around. Lots of people use Debian who couldn't care less about live CDs.
Let me also point out that if you boot from a Knoppix CD, you can install Debian on your hard drive from Knoppix. A very cool feature -- try before you "buy", then make the jump immediately when you're ready.
No no no, they're moving as fast as an elk bear. That is the weird Canadian thing. They don't have those down here in the States, so we never hear about them.
Um, that was sort of my point. I hang out sometimes on a baseball discussion board, and when Yankee and Mets fans quote the Post in support of a rumor, we all just throw back our heads and laugh . . .
I vote absentee here in Seattle, in part for that reason. You get a paper ballot that's obviously built for electronic scanning (the "boxes" look like oversized versions of the ovals on SAT-style standardized tests). Study the issues, mark your ballot at your leisure, mail it back to the county. No muss, no fuss.
I suspect part of the reason for electronic voting is Because We Can(tm). I suspect another part is because news media are always in a big hurry to get election results, and in theory if the voting machines were all working and reporting properly you could probably end an election at 8 PM and have results well before midnight.
you. Seriously. You are the best person to represent your own views. Then we know what you think. Just make sure that you know who you are speaking for - I am sure you can represent your views well, but I don't know if you represent my views very well.
Unfortunately you don't know how I represent my views. You can look through my list of comments posted to see how well I represent myself on paper; unfortunately, that doesn't transfer over to how well I represent myself in person, where I have to think on my feet and have quick replies ready to statements like "So, you are in favor of peer-to-peer networks. Do you advocate any other forms of stealing?"
Lawrence Lessig and Bruce Perens might be good choices. One of the EFF's attorneys might be a good representative. I'm thinking, though, that we need someone funded (read: on the staff of) IBM, Novell or a similar company with an interest in seeing free software succeed and not having it be represented by wild-eyed geeks you wouldn't trust to do your laundry, much less advise you on the philosophical points of free software.
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Take a look at this document (note: it's a PDF file). It's written in legalese, but if you read between the lines, it shows what happens when a lawyer loses patience. Basically, IBM's law firm can't call SCO a bunch of liars, cheats, four-flushers and shysters in a court document, but this document sure makes it sound like they wish they could. Highly entertaining, and highly recommended.
As I understand from reading Groklaw (hi PJ), tomorrow is sort of a status hearing. Both sides have filed requests asking the court to compel the other party to do something. SCO is basically asking the court to tell IBM to hand over every file in their possession relating to Unix, Linux, AIX or any other operating system that ends in "X" so they can plow though them to see what they can accuse IBM of doing wrong. IBM, on the other hand, is asking the court, "SCO has been claiming for months that they have evidence that we trespassed on something or other of theirs. Please tell them it's time to put up or shut up. Make them show what evidence they have or admit they have no case."
That is a gross oversimplification but it's basically what it boils down to. Based on the results of tomorrow's hearing, the parties will probably be required to return to court in a month or two to see if they've followed the court's orders.
So you're just a bit off on your understanding of discovery. Tomorrow's hearing is not the end of the discovery process; basically, it's a chance for the two sides and the magistrate judge to assess how much progress has been made in discovery so far and what still needs to be done.
I would guess it's because FAT is a lowest common denominator file system. Pretty much anything can read FAT, from DOS 2.1 on up. So, I have a camera that writes to a FAT filesystem on its memory card, and when I plug it into my Linux box (or my wife's Windows box, or my brother-in-law's Mac), they can all read it (assuming they can see the camera as a mass storage device).
More to the point, any floppy or other removable medium you format as FAT can be read all across the board too.
The problem, of course, is that all the manufacturers out there saw this ubiquitous, though admittedly clunky, flle system and decided to use it, and now that they're committed Microsoft is lowering the boom.
The moral to the story should be pretty obvious.
OK, I RTFA and it doesn't look to me like they were going after Gentoo specifically. The way I read it, this was just a box somewhere that a sponsor had set up to house a Gentoo rsync node, and had a bunch of other stuff on it as well. The box got rooted and the cracker didn't touch any of the other stuff on the box -- just what he needed to obfuscate his entry and do all the usual rootkit stuff.
Why do they do this? Because they can. Personally, I blame that darn rap music.
I'd just set up a remote box specifically for logging and connect it to a cheapo dot-matrix line printer and have the logs printed to paper. Yeah, you might use a bunch of paper, but it also might come in real handy if you ever need to figure out what really happened to your box.
Doing financial analysis for Deutsche Bank and reprinting press releases and SCO FUD under the guise of "tech journalism."
According to Groklaw his only comment so far has been "no comment." I can't remember whether that's on advice of counsel, or just evidence of his good sense.
Even so, it's a pointless request, and if enforced would probably mean that LA County couldn't buy hard drives at all, since most drives have clear labels on how to set the "master" and "slave" jumpers.
Uh oh, this post is probably officially data non grata in Los Angeles COunty now.
Yes, we have a third party report which will soon be analyzing the issue. It's called a "court."
Here I thought /. was the source for fair and balanced coverage.
You're new here, aren't you?
No, he's right, he's just using the FOX News newspeak definition of "fair and balanced.
I don't know about anyone else, but I hope to have the major Christmas shopping done by Thanksgiving and just let others "enjoy" the holiday shopping experience. We plan on spending Black Friday hosting a party for our granddaughter's friends, and not going anywhere near anything that looks like a store.
If you have a chance look up Stan Freberg's classic audio cut "Green Chri$tma$". Yes, that's the official spelling. He released it in 1959 and it's as valid a commentary 44 years on as it was then.
Oh great. Now the voices in my head get to do karaoke.
Will people quit moderating this shit as funny. They've been kicking this dead horse for way to fucking long.
Oh shut the hell up about SCO and talk about the posts, will you?
You're going to have a mighty hard time topping yourself in December. I suggest you start working on it now. :)
Subpoenaing Horsley makes just as much sense as anything else that this case has touched so far, which is to say, not even a little bit.
that Stallman refuses to be involved in this unless all references to Open Source software are disallowed and everyone on both sides has to say "GNU/Linux" every time they talk about a distribution?
Surely this is a violation of their IP in regards to extorting money using online means!
I love Gentoo because I can put the bare minimum on my machines and then build up from there whether it be Gnome or KDE or a strict web server box with no GUI. To build it up all I have to do is grab the packages I want with emerge. I can roll my own distro in a way.
heh
Yeah yeah, I know I know, Debian has its stable version where Gentoo is a constantly moving target, Debian has been around longer, supports more architectures . . . I would probably have migrated to Debian the last time I went distro shopping if I hadn't found Gentoo first.
Well, actually supporting live CDs is supporting Debian more than the other way around. Lots of people use Debian who couldn't care less about live CDs.
Let me also point out that if you boot from a Knoppix CD, you can install Debian on your hard drive from Knoppix. A very cool feature -- try before you "buy", then make the jump immediately when you're ready.
No no no, they're moving as fast as an elk bear. That is the weird Canadian thing. They don't have those down here in the States, so we never hear about them.
Oh yeah, that one's straight out of Weekly World News. Hmmm, aren't they printed on the same size paper? Coincidence? You be the judge.
Um, that was sort of my point. I hang out sometimes on a baseball discussion board, and when Yankee and Mets fans quote the Post in support of a rumor, we all just throw back our heads and laugh . . .
A swing and a miss for the New York Post.
Now that's a big surprise.
I vote absentee here in Seattle, in part for that reason. You get a paper ballot that's obviously built for electronic scanning (the "boxes" look like oversized versions of the ovals on SAT-style standardized tests). Study the issues, mark your ballot at your leisure, mail it back to the county. No muss, no fuss.
I suspect part of the reason for electronic voting is Because We Can(tm). I suspect another part is because news media are always in a big hurry to get election results, and in theory if the voting machines were all working and reporting properly you could probably end an election at 8 PM and have results well before midnight.
you. Seriously. You are the best person to represent your own views. Then we know what you think. Just make sure that you know who you are speaking for - I am sure you can represent your views well, but I don't know if you represent my views very well.
Unfortunately you don't know how I represent my views. You can look through my list of comments posted to see how well I represent myself on paper; unfortunately, that doesn't transfer over to how well I represent myself in person, where I have to think on my feet and have quick replies ready to statements like "So, you are in favor of peer-to-peer networks. Do you advocate any other forms of stealing?"
Lawrence Lessig and Bruce Perens might be good choices. One of the EFF's attorneys might be a good representative. I'm thinking, though, that we need someone funded (read: on the staff of) IBM, Novell or a similar company with an interest in seeing free software succeed and not having it be represented by wild-eyed geeks you wouldn't trust to do your laundry, much less advise you on the philosophical points of free software.