because 1. I am one, and primarily know Americans. 2. Most people I've known while I've lived outside thte US have been more skeptical of companies claims.
and 3. because poking Americans gets you points with moderators...
Agreed, and I would say that their previous claims and assurances were made in "good faith" and Citibank could therefore no be held liable, but once they know about it any further claims or assurances are complete lies.
The statements made by Citibank regarding their security can only be trusted as far as they are independently evaluated. Consumers in general, and especially Americans, rely far too heavily on a companies claims. If a company makes false claims these days they often simply ignore the facts, and that enough is wrong. But when someone comes out with evidence that a company is making false claims, and the company tries to silence them? That is outright immoral, and should be illegal.
Why is it they can even try things like this without massive public backlash? They would be far better off accepting the "new" information, and promising to work hard to always keep their systems secure.
I'm sure certian companies would love to see legal actions like this get upheld by a court.... Oh well, I guess we can always move to Norway... I wonder if they'd let me live on sealand once all my rights are gone here...
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I had no intention of purely "bashing" OS X. It's backlash from the OS's unfounded (IMO) hype. I had an OS X laptop for a month and didn't like it. If you like it, or it works for you, great. But I've yet to see half the functionality I mentioned in Any Mac OS X users configuration. I work with 3 OS X users who love OS X and apple (like any company, it's the graphics guys) and ALL of them have the exact same UI, and don't know any applescript. And about applescript, why should I have to learn a new language to get functionality. in E all I needed to learn was the menu file format from that I can run programs in ANY language I want. The combined functionality for developing rich web pages sounds interesting, and may be what you need. For me I need VIM to create rich web pages, and gimp if I ever want to change/create images. I've used Dreamweaver but don't value it as anything more than a good WSYWIG HTML editor, which has little value to me.
I think all UI discussions break down to functionality and nice looks, with Mac OS X you can have the some of the functionality after some customization (no problems from me), but poor looks.
and for functionality answer me these questions,
how many desktops can I use in OS X? (under Aqua)
Where do I change my key bindings so I can ALT-F1-F5 to switch desktops and Win+R to run a program (or apple+R)? And I do want the mouse wheel to change desktops up/down.... so be sure to include that in your reply...
Can I make my own pretty pictured buttons for my desktop and have them do different actions? Like a photo of a spider that launches all my internet programs (im/email/web/irc)?
What if I don't want a trash can, can I get rid of it? What about the hard drive, cdrom or other clutter of icons? How..?
What if I don't like a window having the cute Aqua border around it, can I tell it not to have it? How? If so, how do I move it/access a menu to change it's properties?
How do I get an app to restart on login? But not just restart, I want it to go to the same desktop it was on, in the same place it was in, every time?
I don't like having the 3 colored circles on the menubar for each application, I want 1 to shade the window, and 1 to close it, then I want double click to minimize it, middle click to shade it, and right click to display a menu? Can I do that? How?
I want to change the colors of my UI, but I want different themes that I can just change from a menu, where do I put the menu? Do I have to use Aqua's interface to change properties, or can I write my own in this amazing Applescript? What if I don't want to learn Applescript (since it sounds like a Mac/Apple technology and therefore will be gone in 5 years), can I write my scripts in Perl? or Bash? Or C?
Chew on that, if you can show me how to do all of those I'll plug in this G4 dual processor power mac I've got sitting next to my desk and give it an honest try, if not...well I win the bet.
Also, tell me something that OS X can do that I can't do on Linux/enlightenment... There just has to be something... and run Photoshop doesn't cut it, I want an OS or UI level function.. any one... I can't believe that there isn't a single thing OS X can do that linux/e can't... If you don't reply then I'll have to tease more mac people.
oh, and BTW at least you don't run windows... talk about unusable interface...
I first used enlightenment after on FreeBSD 2.2.x and after learning how to customize it fell completely in love with it. Complete functionality, total customization. I laugh when people say gnome-2 or KDE is customizable. Every time I've tried to cuztomize it I end up compromizing functionality, or have a screwed up configuration and simple things like xlock won't work anymore.
Over the last 2 months I've tried hard to find something better, settling on fluxbox for a while, then giving KDE 3.1 the earnest try. In the end I ended up back where I started, running enlightenment DR16.5 on all my linux boxes. I rarely am forced to work on a windows box, and wow does it remind me why I left. I would say the windows UI is the lowest common denominator, and for KDE or Gnome to try to emulate that is a waste of time. I'm with the poster who says why waste our time trying to copy windows or mac os, which IMHO is par with windows.
the rebuttal's
comment that Mac OS is a very usable interface seems way off base. Simple, yes, but usable? in what way? With my setup on enlightenment I can work fast, manage multiple tasks easily, organize windows and have E remember evertyhing about it. Oh, and it just works. Want a program to start when I log in, I don't need to find some folder, or wade through half broken configuration programs, I just right click on the title bar of the program and go to remember, select restart application on login. I want all my gimp windows to move together, right click title bar, go to groups menu and create a new group, don't want to have to do that every time, remember->group. I setup my own quick scripts to do various commands, throw them in my menu, and there I have it, left click on the desktop and I'm running anything I want. (This is my one complaint about enlightenment, that you have to restart enlightenment to get a menu change). the tooltips are great for users new to E, and the built in documentation is quite good as well.
eye candy? E's got it, snapshots of all my windows when I minimize them, or on on the pager.
Ever seen the ripples effect? I like to use a wallpaper with a beach in the background and the ocean in the foreground, turn on ripples and you're at the beach. Mac OS X doesn't touch it with it's wimpy little mouseover growing icons. BTW, what's the deal with Mac OS? Is blue the only color theme you can get on the incredibly beautiful OS? Or does everyone just stick with it?
If you're a linux/BSD user and you're comfortable with the command line, and willing to invest an hour or so setting up your UI give enlightenment a serious look.
I think it's bare minimum to have good defaults documented, but let's look at computer games and their tutorials. I think it was Ghost Recon that actually told you your custom keys when telling you how to throw grenades, this blew me away. As someone who likes it how I likes it I usually take documentation with a grain of salt. But why couldn't all documentation just know what keys or mouse buttons you've bound to what.
To me, this means the problem isn't the trouble in creating accurate documentation, it's the lack of integration between the documentation and the programs customizations.
My HP Laptop runs Linux
you're not going to get bullet proof 24x7x365 for cheap, so first get over that idea. What you do want is the most people able to use your services the most amount of time.
This applies to web servers as that is my primary concern, but could be used for other types of services.
Setup 4-10 front end web servers and do round robin DNS between them for your site. The 4-10 all need to be colocated on differnet parts of the Internet, differnet providers all in data centers is ideal. These sites can be load balanced/failover protected for more $$$ of course. These are your initial contact points for a client, and they have either your home page or a forward to your currently active site(s). This speeds up your ability to rapidly change from your live datacenter for your real site to your backup datacenter. You run a monitoring / mangament program that's constantly communicating to these servers which is the current live site. (this part of the solution must be VERY secure otherwise you're going to reduce downtime) Very secure and also automated fast, with a safe default to fall back on, like a local static page. Now if your main site gets hit by a 500MB/sec tcp/udp flood on random ports from randomly spoofed ip addresses (like a certian site I manage did 2 months ago), you simply move the current live site to backup site 2, or 3, or 4. If the attack is directed at your dns then it has 4-10 times the total networks to flood and should receive substantialy more attention than were it to take down only 1. If you have 10 front end sites up and one gets taken down then 10% of the people asking for DNS are going to get the wrong site, at least until you update your DNS.
Anyways this is a proposal to a problem made in hind site, but it's one we're working on implementing.
best of luck to you! If there is some poor mans BGP out there I've love to hear about it.
in re-reading this I realize it doesn't seem directly applicable to the needs (cost, etc) but if you were to use 1-2U per colocation facility and less than 1MB/month each you could pay in the few hundreds per front end site, and keep your local facility....
i've been asking for donations for my submarinefund since March 2000. The plan is to sit on my arse until I get a few million from suckers like you and then buy a real sub...
I wonder if the russians would paint it for me.. or put a big window on the side.. maybe a sliding glass door...
Please read the first line before you donate, you will NOT get a free ride just because you donated $100,000.
we now find bugs in versions years before they're ever released, or even planned....
this must have been found by that new government department that monitors everything...
would have helped to mention PHP in the title....
They are the best speakers I've ever heard. All you stuck up audiophiles who can't admit something that's made for computers sounds good can kiss it. You've never heard anything on them. The sound that comes out of mine (500 Watt "rating") would break your ear drums and sounds crystal clear. Hits the highs high, and the lows low. I'm sure there's something better, but mine set me back $200. The 5.1 are a little more expensive, and I'm not sure it's worth it for the extra channel, digital in is appealing to me. I can't stand your whining about get something else, computer speakers suck, blah blah blah.
Everyone who I've shown these speakers to has admitted they're absolutely amazing. Even a friend who wasted his money on Klipsch crap wanted to return his overpriced, crappy sounding speakers.
kiss off
Just get one of these
http://www.archos.com/lang=en/products/prw_500375. html?country=us
with one of these
http://www.archos.com/lang=en/products/prw_500287. html
20GB hard drive, Divx viewing and recording...
Been out for a while now
How quickly you all are willing to trample freedom for a little less annoyance.
I hope you all come to your senses and realize that the being annoyed by other people in public is your problem.
$200 for ps2 $50 for broadq's qcast tuner which plays DivX, mpg, ogg, mp3, jpg, etc.. and works great
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doh! for got the $40 for the network adapter... so the broadq solution is a little bit more expensive, but playing games as well makes up for it..
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because 1. I am one, and primarily know Americans. 2. Most people I've known while I've lived outside thte US have been more skeptical of companies claims. and 3. because poking Americans gets you points with moderators...
Agreed, and I would say that their previous claims and assurances were made in "good faith" and Citibank could therefore no be held liable, but once they know about it any further claims or assurances are complete lies.
Why is it they can even try things like this without massive public backlash? They would be far better off accepting the "new" information, and promising to work hard to always keep their systems secure.
I'm sure certian companies would love to see legal actions like this get upheld by a court.... Oh well, I guess we can always move to Norway... I wonder if they'd let me live on sealand once all my rights are gone here...
I had no intention of purely "bashing" OS X. It's backlash from the OS's unfounded (IMO) hype. I had an OS X laptop for a month and didn't like it. If you like it, or it works for you, great. But I've yet to see half the functionality I mentioned in Any Mac OS X users configuration. I work with 3 OS X users who love OS X and apple (like any company, it's the graphics guys) and ALL of them have the exact same UI, and don't know any applescript. And about applescript, why should I have to learn a new language to get functionality. in E all I needed to learn was the menu file format from that I can run programs in ANY language I want. The combined functionality for developing rich web pages sounds interesting, and may be what you need. For me I need VIM to create rich web pages, and gimp if I ever want to change/create images. I've used Dreamweaver but don't value it as anything more than a good WSYWIG HTML editor, which has little value to me.
I think all UI discussions break down to functionality and nice looks, with Mac OS X you can have the some of the functionality after some customization (no problems from me), but poor looks.
and for functionality answer me these questions, how many desktops can I use in OS X? (under Aqua) .well I win the bet.
Where do I change my key bindings so I can ALT-F1-F5 to switch desktops and Win+R to run a program (or apple+R)? And I do want the mouse wheel to change desktops up/down.... so be sure to include that in your reply...
Can I make my own pretty pictured buttons for my desktop and have them do different actions? Like a photo of a spider that launches all my internet programs (im/email/web/irc)?
What if I don't want a trash can, can I get rid of it? What about the hard drive, cdrom or other clutter of icons? How..?
What if I don't like a window having the cute Aqua border around it, can I tell it not to have it? How? If so, how do I move it/access a menu to change it's properties?
How do I get an app to restart on login? But not just restart, I want it to go to the same desktop it was on, in the same place it was in, every time?
I don't like having the 3 colored circles on the menubar for each application, I want 1 to shade the window, and 1 to close it, then I want double click to minimize it, middle click to shade it, and right click to display a menu? Can I do that? How?
I want to change the colors of my UI, but I want different themes that I can just change from a menu, where do I put the menu? Do I have to use Aqua's interface to change properties, or can I write my own in this amazing Applescript? What if I don't want to learn Applescript (since it sounds like a Mac/Apple technology and therefore will be gone in 5 years), can I write my scripts in Perl? or Bash? Or C?
Chew on that, if you can show me how to do all of those I'll plug in this G4 dual processor power mac I've got sitting next to my desk and give it an honest try, if not..
Also, tell me something that OS X can do that I can't do on Linux/enlightenment... There just has to be something... and run Photoshop doesn't cut it, I want an OS or UI level function.. any one... I can't believe that there isn't a single thing OS X can do that linux/e can't... If you don't reply then I'll have to tease more mac people.
oh, and BTW at least you don't run windows... talk about unusable interface...
Over the last 2 months I've tried hard to find something better, settling on fluxbox for a while, then giving KDE 3.1 the earnest try. In the end I ended up back where I started, running enlightenment DR16.5 on all my linux boxes. I rarely am forced to work on a windows box, and wow does it remind me why I left. I would say the windows UI is the lowest common denominator, and for KDE or Gnome to try to emulate that is a waste of time. I'm with the poster who says why waste our time trying to copy windows or mac os, which IMHO is par with windows.
the rebuttal's comment that Mac OS is a very usable interface seems way off base. Simple, yes, but usable? in what way? With my setup on enlightenment I can work fast, manage multiple tasks easily, organize windows and have E remember evertyhing about it. Oh, and it just works. Want a program to start when I log in, I don't need to find some folder, or wade through half broken configuration programs, I just right click on the title bar of the program and go to remember, select restart application on login.
I want all my gimp windows to move together, right click title bar, go to groups menu and create a new group, don't want to have to do that every time, remember->group. I setup my own quick scripts to do various commands, throw them in my menu, and there I have it, left click on the desktop and I'm running anything I want. (This is my one complaint about enlightenment, that you have to restart enlightenment to get a menu change). the tooltips are great for users new to E, and the built in documentation is quite good as well.
eye candy? E's got it, snapshots of all my windows when I minimize them, or on on the pager. Ever seen the ripples effect? I like to use a wallpaper with a beach in the background and the ocean in the foreground, turn on ripples and you're at the beach. Mac OS X doesn't touch it with it's wimpy little mouseover growing icons. BTW, what's the deal with Mac OS? Is blue the only color theme you can get on the incredibly beautiful OS? Or does everyone just stick with it?
If you're a linux/BSD user and you're comfortable with the command line, and willing to invest an hour or so setting up your UI give enlightenment a serious look.
To me, this means the problem isn't the trouble in creating accurate documentation, it's the lack of integration between the documentation and the programs customizations. My HP Laptop runs Linux
This applies to web servers as that is my primary concern, but could be used for other types of services.
Setup 4-10 front end web servers and do round robin DNS between them for your site. The 4-10 all need to be colocated on differnet parts of the Internet, differnet providers all in data centers is ideal. These sites can be load balanced/failover protected for more $$$ of course. These are your initial contact points for a client, and they have either your home page or a forward to your currently active site(s). This speeds up your ability to rapidly change from your live datacenter for your real site to your backup datacenter. You run a monitoring / mangament program that's constantly communicating to these servers which is the current live site. (this part of the solution must be VERY secure otherwise you're going to reduce downtime) Very secure and also automated fast, with a safe default to fall back on, like a local static page. Now if your main site gets hit by a 500MB/sec tcp/udp flood on random ports from randomly spoofed ip addresses (like a certian site I manage did 2 months ago), you simply move the current live site to backup site 2, or 3, or 4. If the attack is directed at your dns then it has 4-10 times the total networks to flood and should receive substantialy more attention than were it to take down only 1. If you have 10 front end sites up and one gets taken down then 10% of the people asking for DNS are going to get the wrong site, at least until you update your DNS.
Anyways this is a proposal to a problem made in hind site, but it's one we're working on implementing.
best of luck to you! If there is some poor mans BGP out there I've love to hear about it.
in re-reading this I realize it doesn't seem directly applicable to the needs (cost, etc) but if you were to use 1-2U per colocation facility and less than 1MB/month each you could pay in the few hundreds per front end site, and keep your local facility....
I run Linux on my HP Laptop
I wonder if the russians would paint it for me.. or put a big window on the side.. maybe a sliding glass door...
Please read the first line before you donate, you will NOT get a free ride just because you donated $100,000.
hey, at least it's not for fake boobs...
I run linux on my HP laptop
we now find bugs in versions years before they're ever released, or even planned.... this must have been found by that new government department that monitors everything... would have helped to mention PHP in the title....
They are the best speakers I've ever heard. All you stuck up audiophiles who can't admit something that's made for computers sounds good can kiss it. You've never heard anything on them. The sound that comes out of mine (500 Watt "rating") would break your ear drums and sounds crystal clear. Hits the highs high, and the lows low. I'm sure there's something better, but mine set me back $200. The 5.1 are a little more expensive, and I'm not sure it's worth it for the extra channel, digital in is appealing to me. I can't stand your whining about get something else, computer speakers suck, blah blah blah. Everyone who I've shown these speakers to has admitted they're absolutely amazing. Even a friend who wasted his money on Klipsch crap wanted to return his overpriced, crappy sounding speakers.
kiss off
Just get one of these http://www.archos.com/lang=en/products/prw_500375. html?country=us
with one of these
http://www.archos.com/lang=en/products/prw_500287. html
20GB hard drive, Divx viewing and recording...
Been out for a while now
How quickly you all are willing to trample freedom for a little less annoyance. I hope you all come to your senses and realize that the being annoyed by other people in public is your problem.
$200 for ps2 $50 for broadq's qcast tuner which plays DivX, mpg, ogg, mp3, jpg, etc.. and works great link doh! for got the $40 for the network adapter... so the broadq solution is a little bit more expensive, but playing games as well makes up for it..