Nobody recycles batteries for the lithium. A small amount get recycled for cobalt That will change as the price of lithium rises, of course as that happens we are back to economics..
And yet, the total batteries are being recycled as we speak here in America. Here is more.
Which is why we don't have enough to supply our need.
Sadly, again, you have no real knowledge of science, or what is going on. You took something from several years ago, which is predicated on PROVED RESERVOIRS that want to be acknowledged. Yet, it is wrong.
Now, go look up Simbol Mining Corp. Simbol is going to feed Tesla, which is working on a factory that will MORE THAN DOUBLE CURRENT LITHIUM ION PRODUCTION. Now, that is just 1 company that will be providing all this.
In addition, for the future Here is more.
You just have to read a bit, rather than as little as possible. In addition, stay up on your science.
Finally, as to being cheap/economical, it is regularly about scale, not about process. Bolivia and Chile are pushed by Europe to be dirty, but, Tesla will be looking for more than what Bolivia, Chile, China, and Australia put out together, THIS YEAR. And considering that it will come from America (and Canada), that will increase the scale.
Finally, as Tesla gears up, Simbol's will also expand outwards to other geothermal units.
Here in America, we are recycling our lithium batteries. It is Europe that is dirty WRT to not recycling it. Sadly, Europe would rather scream about somethings, while ignoring the real damage that they do to the earth.
It is NOT the processing, but the mining of it. Places like Chile will use scarce water to turn it into a brine and then start the processing.
OTOH, Here in America, we are finding the lithium from heated brine solutions down below. In particular, we are bringing up brine solutions for geo-thermal electricity and then pulling the lithium out after the fact, and then re-injecting the cleaned up water back into the hole.
With this approach, there is NO mining, but instead, making use of an on-going process.
And yes, China, along with Europe, push for the DIRTY mining of Lithium. They are pretty bad, but they want it cheap.
Lithium processing is envirinmentally damaging? You are obviously anothet fucking right winger without any science knowledge. processsing is cheap and clean.
We are hemmeraging wealth because of what the fucking GOP did in terms of taxes combined with rolling back regulations.
Trickle down failed so badly, that not even the original ppl back it anymore.
This is exactly why we need the fucking GOP to get off their GD ass and resolve the fucking illegal issues.
The idea of giving ALL illegals amnesty is a joke. But even worse is the idea of taking kids that have grown up here thinking that they are Americans and sending them to another nation. It absolutely shows no compassion.
What is needed is a compromise in which the good kids are allowed to earn citizenship, the parents of any kids that remained here are allowed to have a 'pink card' ( basically, no citizenship and no social benefits such as SSI, Medicare, etc, however, they are allowed to remain and work), while sending all others packing.
Seriously, they are obviously nervous about what EVs are doing. Instead, they should all be focused on battery technology and lowering the price of EVs, rather than trying to keep ICE/Fossil fuels alive.
I have talked to WM (largest waste company in America) about their recycling stream and found out that all of theirs flows to CHina. Likewise, most of the electronic recyclers also flow it to China.
And Yes, I called multiple companies, include WM, to find out how this works.
Seriously, most of the 'waste' that is sent out are great sources of resources. Gold, Iron, Plastic, Copper, etc. Yes, there is Mercury and Lead in those, but that can be dealt with easily. We have various deep mines, well below water tables, in which the pure mercury and lead can be easily contained.
Australia has the right attitude of using Robotics to part out items.
OTOH, the real problem is not loans to businesses, but when we make huge tax breaks to monster businesses such oil companies, GM, Ford, etc to take work offshore, rather than keep it here.
Actually, you do not know that for sure.
Google has been focused on an Autonomous system. That is true. But, so far, no car maker has expressed an interest in it.
As such, there is no reason to believe that they will not consider building their own cars. And if they were to do so, I am guessing that they will Work with Tesla to make their own.
Seriously, the google boys are some of the most important business guys going. However, unlike most of the business ppl, such as Romney, Fiorina, McNerney, Welsh, Koch bros, etc, they focus on nothing but making money and have no interest in the future of America or Mankind.
The idea of pushing for OLD homes to have solar added is a mistake. In addition, paying subsidies for it, is just plain wrong since it is causing solar companies to focus on just those locations.
Instead, at a US national level, we should put in place several regs and 1 new subsidy, while removing all of the other subsidies for Solar:
1) require that ALL utilities to buy up to 10% of a buildings excess electricity that is generated via on-site AE. IOW, if a building is expected to USE 1MW / month, then.1MW / month can be sold to the utility. In addition, it needs to be bought at the top that the utilitity pays for that time, to any other provider, including buying it from other providers.
2) require that ALL new buildings of 5 stories and less to have enough on-site AE to equal the HVAC energy needs (and require heating and cooling). Note that such a building with only enough on-site to equal the HVAC will likely not be selling much if any to the utility. However, if they decide to increase it, to the point that they equal 110% of their energy needs, then the utility must buy the extra 10%. Note that the smart developers will focus on lower energy costs buildings with better insulation and hopefully geo-thermal HVAC, since all forms of AE is actually expensive.
3) provide a TIME-LIMITED subsidy for energy storage. It should be in terms of max amount and must be able to hook up to the utility, company, or resident and provide the power. In particular, Utilities should be encouraged to move from 1 big grid, into small grids in which a storage is sitting there between the local grid and the big power grid.
With this approach, it will help utilities convert to storage, and lower their costs of energy production. In addition, it will stop new buildings from adding draw to the grid. Basically, it will help lower the real energy costs for all.
Seriously, these are removing competition, not improving it.
What is needed is to encourage companies to compete against each other, not just turn themselves into companies for takeovers so that the executives walk away with large golden parachutes.
WRT data comm, with comcast-TW merger, it will remove real competition. As such, if this is to be allowed to happen, we need to require that all laws that reward monopolies in data comm, to be removed. Cities should be allowed to put in their own network as long private can come in. Likewise, just because comcast-tw is in a place, does not mean that google should be prevented from coming in.
You fool.
When he spoke about the spying on Americans, he was doing the right thing.
When he spoke about the NSA spying on other nations and terrorists, he became a traitor.
The reason is that the NSA was set up to SPECIFICALLY to spy on other nations, terrorists, foreigners, etc.
And consider that just about every nation in this world attempts to do the SAME THING, and regards it as legal, means that it is legal for NSA TO DO THE SAME.
I would agree with you, except that you will blame the west only.
Right now, far right wingers deny agw, but the far left ( which likely includes you ) deny that China and other nations are part of this.
LOL. Obviously, you are being sarcastic, and these companies deserve it.
I had been offered jobs from multiple Indian contracting houses. In each case, they offered me less than 1/2 (and once, less than 1/3) of what the job paid. And the Indians that got the jobs, with less experience, education, etc, were literally paid more than double what I was offered.
What most ppl miss is that the 5-eyes and others actually do not spy on many at all.
I suspect that they have unique capabilities to listen in, but not with humans, but with computers. As it is, there was far too many connections just in the cell world, let alone land lines, voip, etc. And that does not include all of the e-mail, IM, etc.
Most likely NSA and others check things with computers, but only items which have a high probability of terrorism, criminal connections to ppl outside of America, etc. will be flagged.
Now, with that said, I am shocked that we actually spied on Germany's gov. I certainly never expected that. And it sounds like we were up to other actions that I am NOT happy about, but it was legal for the NSA to do.
who do you want spying on you? If you buy a commercial product that was produced in China, I guarantee that it has a backdoor. That is why the DOD insists that Cisco manufacture their network equipment here in America (and they do).
Our best bet for staying off radars is to not trust ANY commercial product, and go with OSS. FreeBSD is good. So is Linux. Using Commercial OSs from any nation will get you spied on, simple as that.
But in the end, for those of us in the west, it is better to have European govs, or the 5-eyes (now bigger, though I am not certain how big), spy on us, rather than Chinese and Russian.
So, what exactly was 9/11 if not a terrorist act?
And I did not say that NSA had to ask for backdoors. They are everywhere. BUT, when data is encrypted, it makes it harder for ANY government to get around.
Oh, yes, ALL of the european govs are involved in spying on their citizens as well.
No, NSA passes information up the ladder and then ppl inside of DOJ, along with president and others decide what filters down to the FBI.
You will find that no information about citizens is making it to FBI, unless it involves acts of terrorism, or criminal issues from outside of America.
In 2005-2006, the GOP pretty much removed the oversight of NSA. I know. I was working on PAT act then and was very aware of what was going on.
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Nobody recycles batteries for the lithium. A small amount get recycled for cobalt That will change as the price of lithium rises, of course as that happens we are back to economics..
And yet, the total batteries are being recycled as we speak here in America.
Here is more.
Which is why we don't have enough to supply our need.
Sadly, again, you have no real knowledge of science, or what is going on. You took something from several years ago, which is predicated on PROVED RESERVOIRS that want to be acknowledged. Yet, it is wrong.
Now, go look up Simbol Mining Corp. Simbol is going to feed Tesla, which is working on a factory that will MORE THAN DOUBLE CURRENT LITHIUM ION PRODUCTION. Now, that is just 1 company that will be providing all this.
In addition, for the future Here is more.
You just have to read a bit, rather than as little as possible. In addition, stay up on your science.
Finally, as to being cheap/economical, it is regularly about scale, not about process. Bolivia and Chile are pushed by Europe to be dirty, but, Tesla will be looking for more than what Bolivia, Chile, China, and Australia put out together, THIS YEAR. And considering that it will come from America (and Canada), that will increase the scale. Finally, as Tesla gears up, Simbol's will also expand outwards to other geothermal units.
Here in America, we are recycling our lithium batteries. It is Europe that is dirty WRT to not recycling it. Sadly, Europe would rather scream about somethings, while ignoring the real damage that they do to the earth.
It is NOT the processing, but the mining of it. Places like Chile will use scarce water to turn it into a brine and then start the processing.
OTOH, Here in America, we are finding the lithium from heated brine solutions down below. In particular, we are bringing up brine solutions for geo-thermal electricity and then pulling the lithium out after the fact, and then re-injecting the cleaned up water back into the hole.
With this approach, there is NO mining, but instead, making use of an on-going process.
And yes, China, along with Europe, push for the DIRTY mining of Lithium. They are pretty bad, but they want it cheap.
Lithium processing is envirinmentally damaging? You are obviously anothet fucking right winger without any science knowledge. processsing is cheap and clean.
We are hemmeraging wealth because of what the fucking GOP did in terms of taxes combined with rolling back regulations.
Trickle down failed so badly, that not even the original ppl back it anymore.
You need to unhock yourself from the front of kock brothers pants.
Seriously.
This is exactly why we need the fucking GOP to get off their GD ass and resolve the fucking illegal issues.
The idea of giving ALL illegals amnesty is a joke. But even worse is the idea of taking kids that have grown up here thinking that they are Americans and sending them to another nation. It absolutely shows no compassion.
What is needed is a compromise in which the good kids are allowed to earn citizenship, the parents of any kids that remained here are allowed to have a 'pink card' ( basically, no citizenship and no social benefits such as SSI, Medicare, etc, however, they are allowed to remain and work), while sending all others packing.
Seriously, they are obviously nervous about what EVs are doing. Instead, they should all be focused on battery technology and lowering the price of EVs, rather than trying to keep ICE/Fossil fuels alive.
I have talked to WM (largest waste company in America) about their recycling stream and found out that all of theirs flows to CHina. Likewise, most of the electronic recyclers also flow it to China.
And Yes, I called multiple companies, include WM, to find out how this works.
Seriously, most of the 'waste' that is sent out are great sources of resources. Gold, Iron, Plastic, Copper, etc. Yes, there is Mercury and Lead in those, but that can be dealt with easily. We have various deep mines, well below water tables, in which the pure mercury and lead can be easily contained.
Australia has the right attitude of using Robotics to part out items.
No. That was deregulation combined with businesses illegally colluding together.
Increase gas/diesel tax by .25 / year for the next 4 years and apply that to our roads and infrastructure.
google boys are not. They chase what they consider to be the good dollars. The others, chase the easy dollars, no matter how corrupt it based on.
and yet, he got a loan that was paid off.
OTOH, the real problem is not loans to businesses, but when we make huge tax breaks to monster businesses such oil companies, GM, Ford, etc to take work offshore, rather than keep it here.
Actually, you do not know that for sure.
Google has been focused on an Autonomous system. That is true. But, so far, no car maker has expressed an interest in it.
As such, there is no reason to believe that they will not consider building their own cars. And if they were to do so, I am guessing that they will Work with Tesla to make their own.
Seriously, the google boys are some of the most important business guys going. However, unlike most of the business ppl, such as Romney, Fiorina, McNerney, Welsh, Koch bros, etc, they focus on nothing but making money and have no interest in the future of America or Mankind.
The idea of pushing for OLD homes to have solar added is a mistake. In addition, paying subsidies for it, is just plain wrong since it is causing solar companies to focus on just those locations.
.1MW / month can be sold to the utility. In addition, it needs to be bought at the top that the utilitity pays for that time, to any other provider, including buying it from other providers.
Instead, at a US national level, we should put in place several regs and 1 new subsidy, while removing all of the other subsidies for Solar:
1) require that ALL utilities to buy up to 10% of a buildings excess electricity that is generated via on-site AE. IOW, if a building is expected to USE 1MW / month, then
2) require that ALL new buildings of 5 stories and less to have enough on-site AE to equal the HVAC energy needs (and require heating and cooling). Note that such a building with only enough on-site to equal the HVAC will likely not be selling much if any to the utility. However, if they decide to increase it, to the point that they equal 110% of their energy needs, then the utility must buy the extra 10%. Note that the smart developers will focus on lower energy costs buildings with better insulation and hopefully geo-thermal HVAC, since all forms of AE is actually expensive.
3) provide a TIME-LIMITED subsidy for energy storage. It should be in terms of max amount and must be able to hook up to the utility, company, or resident and provide the power. In particular, Utilities should be encouraged to move from 1 big grid, into small grids in which a storage is sitting there between the local grid and the big power grid.
With this approach, it will help utilities convert to storage, and lower their costs of energy production. In addition, it will stop new buildings from adding draw to the grid. Basically, it will help lower the real energy costs for all.
Seriously, these are removing competition, not improving it.
What is needed is to encourage companies to compete against each other, not just turn themselves into companies for takeovers so that the executives walk away with large golden parachutes.
WRT data comm, with comcast-TW merger, it will remove real competition. As such, if this is to be allowed to happen, we need to require that all laws that reward monopolies in data comm, to be removed. Cities should be allowed to put in their own network as long private can come in. Likewise, just because comcast-tw is in a place, does not mean that google should be prevented from coming in.
You fool.
When he spoke about the spying on Americans, he was doing the right thing.
When he spoke about the NSA spying on other nations and terrorists, he became a traitor.
The reason is that the NSA was set up to SPECIFICALLY to spy on other nations, terrorists, foreigners, etc.
And consider that just about every nation in this world attempts to do the SAME THING, and regards it as legal, means that it is legal for NSA TO DO THE SAME.
I would agree with you, except that you will blame the west only. Right now, far right wingers deny agw, but the far left ( which likely includes you ) deny that China and other nations are part of this.
LOL. Obviously, you are being sarcastic, and these companies deserve it.
I had been offered jobs from multiple Indian contracting houses. In each case, they offered me less than 1/2 (and once, less than 1/3) of what the job paid. And the Indians that got the jobs, with less experience, education, etc, were literally paid more than double what I was offered.
Tata and others are full of shit.
Good posting.
What most ppl miss is that the 5-eyes and others actually do not spy on many at all.
I suspect that they have unique capabilities to listen in, but not with humans, but with computers. As it is, there was far too many connections just in the cell world, let alone land lines, voip, etc. And that does not include all of the e-mail, IM, etc.
Most likely NSA and others check things with computers, but only items which have a high probability of terrorism, criminal connections to ppl outside of America, etc. will be flagged.
Now, with that said, I am shocked that we actually spied on Germany's gov. I certainly never expected that. And it sounds like we were up to other actions that I am NOT happy about, but it was legal for the NSA to do.
who do you want spying on you? If you buy a commercial product that was produced in China, I guarantee that it has a backdoor. That is why the DOD insists that Cisco manufacture their network equipment here in America (and they do).
Our best bet for staying off radars is to not trust ANY commercial product, and go with OSS. FreeBSD is good. So is Linux. Using Commercial OSs from any nation will get you spied on, simple as that.
But in the end, for those of us in the west, it is better to have European govs, or the 5-eyes (now bigger, though I am not certain how big), spy on us, rather than Chinese and Russian.
So, what exactly was 9/11 if not a terrorist act?
And I did not say that NSA had to ask for backdoors. They are everywhere. BUT, when data is encrypted, it makes it harder for ANY government to get around.
Oh, yes, ALL of the european govs are involved in spying on their citizens as well.
No, NSA passes information up the ladder and then ppl inside of DOJ, along with president and others decide what filters down to the FBI.
You will find that no information about citizens is making it to FBI, unless it involves acts of terrorism, or criminal issues from outside of America.
In 2005-2006, the GOP pretty much removed the oversight of NSA. I know. I was working on PAT act then and was very aware of what was going on.