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Africa E-Waste Dump Continues Hyperbole War

retroworks writes: Two stories appear today which feature close up photos of young African men surrounded by scrap metal in the city of Accra. The headlines state that this is where our computers go to die (Wired). The Daily Mail puts it in even starker terms, alleging "millions of tons" are dumped in Agbogbloshie.

The stories appear the same day as a press release by investigators who returned this week from 3 weeks at the site. The release claims that Agbogbloshie's depiction as the worlds "largest ewaste dump site" to be a hoax. It is a scrap automobile yard which accounts for nothing more than local scrap from Accra. Three Dagbani language speaking electronics technicians, three reporters, Ghana customs officials and yours truly visited the site, interviewed workers about the origins of the material, and assessed volumes. About 27 young men burn wire, mostly from automobile scrap harnesses. The electronics — 20 to 50 items per day — are collected from Accra businesses and households. The majority of Accra (population 5M) have had televisions since the 1990s, according to World Bank metadata (over 80% by 2003).

The investigation did confirm that most of the scrap was originally imported used, and that work conditions were poor. However, the equipment being recycled had been repaired and maintained, typically for a decade (longer than the original OECD owner). It is a fact that used goods will, one day, eventually become e-waste. Does that support a ban on the trade in used goods to Africa? Or, as the World Bank reports, is the affordable used product essential to establish a critical mass of users so that investment in highways, phone towers, and internet cable can find necessary consumers?

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  1. Local recycling is dependent on a local market by TWX · · Score: 5, Informative

    If people want local recycling, there needs to be a local market for the recycled product. As an example, in my area, even though households are encouraged to put glass into their recycle bins, at the sorting centers the glass is extracted and sent to the landfill, as there's no local demand for used glass. A friend of ours used to manage one of the local landfills, and this came straight from the horses' mouth.

    This African site might not be what was hyped, but all kinds of things are sent away or dumped into a landfill if there's no demand. If you want recycling, there has to be a use for the material being recycled.

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    1. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Depends on the material. Glass is bulky and cheap, and there isn't much reason to ship it far as often glass factories will just be built near natural sources of material with minimal extraction costs. Metal on the other hand can cost quite a bit of energy to extract and process, so it is economical to ship recycled stuff some distance away. Depending on the local population and what you're trying to get the metal out of, there might be some benefit to cutting down on the bulk before shipping.

    2. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by adolf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bottle glass is one of the most recyclable things we commonly use: You just sort it by color (which can be automated), put it into the kiln with the other glass, and wind up with a product that is just as good as virgin material.

      But transporting it is expensive, so much so that it can be cheaper to produce new glass from sand.

      If it doesn't get landfilled, it typically just piles up waiting for a use. As I understand it, very little post-consumer recycled glass ever turns into anything useful.

      Knowing this, I still recycle glass...but only because it keeps the bags that my actual garbage goes into from being cut up by broken glass, making it easier and cleaner for me to handle.

    3. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by Ravaldy · · Score: 2

      What you said is very true. Local demand is a great motivator but like anything you start by sorting it and eventually demand arises. There are many construction material companies that have designed products based on recycled materials. The companies usually come to life because of the low cost for the primary materials they require. The processes are expensive but with time they become more affordable as proper techniques and the right expertise becomes available.

      I know where I live that a % of recycled materials goes back in the landfill but the bulk of the volume is saved. Metal, paper, cardboard and some plastics are sent to different locations for reprocessing.

      Metal is the easiest of all recycled products to reuse. Cardboard is probably second on the list with Plastic being the most difficult one which in many cases is just discarded to the landfill. The amount of plastic recycled has increased but the process hasn't changed much in the last 10 years.

    4. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by Holi · · Score: 2

      Are you from RI? After 40 years of recycling in RI we just found out that until last year all that glass went to the landfill because they could not find a buyer for it.

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    5. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      This is why if I buy a glass container of stuff I prefer it be a container that I can reuse and just put a new standard size of mason jar lid on (regular or widemouth) but it seems too few glass containers will take a mason jar lid and ring now. For most people it wouldn't matter and the container would just get tossed in the recycling but those who can stuff would do what I learned from my grandmother and reuse the damn things.

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    6. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by ckatko · · Score: 1

      To further what you're saying, there is a huge market for recycled computers in at least SOME places. I went through this a period of interest in collecting vintage computers. But I couldn't get any! All of the donated ones were wrapped up, and shipped over seas to either be resold or melted down.

    7. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Wait, you Americans still have these weird recycling bins which might as well be labeled "miscellaneous", as they still need someone to do the actual sorting? Here in the old world (.fi) we have different bins for stuff like glass and metal. There is some regional variety depending on the local market, though I've heard some of this still ends up in landfill.

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    8. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Classico pasta sauce comes in jars with Mason-type lids. However, they're made of cheaper glass than "real" Ball/Kerr Mason jars and are unsuitable for canning due to breakage risk, so Classico apparently wasn't very happy that they were getting saved and reused.

      Classico recently tried to switch to lug lids, but their customers (including me) complained, so they switched back. (In my letter, I pointed out that the reusable jar was the main differentiating factor that caused me to prefer their sauce over any random other brand in the same price range.)

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    9. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean "still"? We just got this system. Prior to that we had to have several different bins.

      dom

    10. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by ksheff · · Score: 1

      It depends on how the municipality decided to implement their recycling program. When I got to drop stuff at a recycling point, I have two options: the big dumpster for glass, metal, and plastic, and another big dumpster for paper. I guess they figured if they made people separate it out any further, they wouldn't bother.

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    11. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing those misc recycling bins in 2005 in the NY state, so I wondered if anything has changed since, though I guess these things don't move too fast.

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    12. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by TheSync · · Score: 1

      Here in the old world (.fi) we have different bins for stuff like glass and metal.

      Here in LA, homeless people go through our trash, extract the actually valuable recyclables, then take them to the recycling centers and make cash.

    13. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by Smauler · · Score: 1

      But transporting it is expensive, so much so that it can be cheaper to produce new glass from sand.

      Producing glass from sand isn't much more difficult than producing glass from glass. That's the main reason glass recycling isn't that useful.

      Aluminium is much easier to produce from aluminium than from bauxite.

    14. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by thesupraman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People are missing the point my friend.

      The reason we are seeing these beatups is because the manufacturers of such consumer items see India, Africa, and China as growth markets as they
      develop an increasing middle class, however the norm there is to buy our (usually perfectly functional and/or easy to repair) discarded items, and use those
      at a fraction of the cost.

      This REDUCES CORPORATE GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES, hence must be squashed at any cost, including outright lies (and I suspect much much more).

      E-Waste is a huge lie, what we are seeing here is active recycling. Exactly what we want, but of course the purveyors of new goods hate..

      Seriously, the efforts being made by computer equipment manufacturers to block the export of perfectly functional second hand equipment to such countries,
      where they will be used and cared for for a long time, is just disgusting (Cisco is a very good example of this.. their older 100mbit equipment is throwaway
      in the west, and sells very well in the 3rd world..)

      So we are just seeing the usual easily swallowed lies being picked up by the idiocracy of the general populous/media, who it seems cannot critically think
      their way out of a paper bag.

      Same thing happens all the time with second hand cars (often by a moving target of 'safety standards').

      Reuse is by FAR the best form of recycling, and yet our governments are fighting it tooth and nail. Sad.

    15. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Good to know. Even if you can't can properly with them you can still do jellies with a bees wax seal, use them for storing honey, or put dry goods in them. I have never understood why if your company makes something that is shipped in glass jars why you would care if they are reused or not unless you receive back the old jars like Coke use to do with glass bottles to refill and resell.

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    16. Re:Local recycling is dependent on a local market by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I have never understood why if your company makes something that is shipped in glass jars why you would care if they are reused or not unless you receive back the old jars like Coke use to do with glass bottles to refill and resell.

      Liability, maybe? I think Classico was irrationally worried about getting sued by somebody whose jar exploded while being used for canning (either during the process, due to the heat, or afterwards from bacteria growth due to an improper seal).

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  2. Covering sensitive, emotional topics is hard. by Headw1nd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good thing we learned so much about the obligations of ethical reporting from the Rolling Stone debacle.

    1. Re:Covering sensitive, emotional topics is hard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And about the ethics in video game reporting from gamergate. #ohwait

    2. Re:Covering sensitive, emotional topics is hard. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

      Good thing we learned so much about the obligations of ethical reporting from the Rolling Stone debacle.

      Both rape & pollution are bad enough without fabricating stories, but it's not about the truth. It's about building the narrative for the "truth" you want people to believe.

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    3. Re:Covering sensitive, emotional topics is hard. by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good thing we learned so much about the obligations of ethical reporting from the Rolling Stone debacle.

      "It's the seriousness of the charge that really counts here, not how valid the story is."

      That's how we got the Rolling Stone made up allegations of rape and the Duke Lacrosse made up rape story. Oh and let's not forget the "Romney didn't pay his taxes for the last 10 years!" fabrication that got reported as fact, even though the source of the allegation has since admitted to just "making it up" to score political points for his team.

      Journalism and ethics are a thing of the past. Or, more to the point, holding journalists to high ethical standards and discrediting those who don't really care to do the job the right way has long ago vanished from the commercial press. Today it's about profit and selling ads, which drags literally everybody though the tabloid mud.

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    4. Re:Covering sensitive, emotional topics is hard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a republican shill and a liar. I believe Harry Reid over Romney any day.

    5. Re:Covering sensitive, emotional topics is hard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Oh and let's not forget the "Romney didn't pay his taxes for the last 10 years!" fabrication that got reported as fact, even though the source of the allegation has since admitted to just "making it up" to score political points for his team.

      Except your own version gets the allegation wrong, the claim was more accurately that Romney didn't pay any taxes for the last 10 years.

      Now with some of the tax avoidance procedures available to a man as wealthy as Romney, it is reasonable to believe he could have paid all the taxes that would be said to be due by him, but that number be zero, as he could afford paying multiple people to reduce his tax burden and still come out ahead.

      So his taxes were paid, they were just zero, or as close to be as makes no difference.

      You can fault Harry Reid for that, if you want, but at least get your own criticism accurate.

      Of course, the irony would be that Republicans, after spending considerably amounts of bluster on the President's Birth Certificate, suddenly had to face their own specter of "Put up or Shut up" and managed to waffle on it.

      Sad, really.

      Still, that's not here, but right here, you can simply recognize that you got your own representation of the situation slightly off.

    6. Re:Covering sensitive, emotional topics is hard. by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      The question is, then, why would any one care the Romney paid no taxes, assuming that what he did was legal?

      We pass laws for tax breaks for specific reasons, like encouraging this, or discouraging that. If Romney reduced is tax due to zero, then didn't those programs simply do what they were supposed to? If not, shouldn't we attack the programs and not the person who is just doing those things that the law was crafted to encourage him to do?

      If some rich guy paid no tax in return for opening ten orphanages, are we still going to complain he paid no taxes? Is he a saint, or is he an evil tax avoider?

    7. Re:Covering sensitive, emotional topics is hard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question is, then, why would any one care the Romney paid no taxes, assuming that what he did was legal?

      Well, that was the question back in 2012, but it's not much of one now. A better question now would be if bobbied will acknowledge the error of his or her own. It's one easy to fix, just a simple misrepresentation to recognize and it's done.

      Going off on that question, kind of pointless. Romney already got rejected for President and won't be in the offing again. At best, we can just apply it to the candidates we have now, who...are already under scrutiny for this kind of business dealing, so what are you going to go, come out against letting the American people know your business practices?

      But if you want to know what I think, for one thing, that's because what's "legal" is not always just or right. And we can't even assume it was legal without seeing it.

      We pass laws for tax breaks for specific reasons, like encouraging this, or discouraging that. If Romney reduced is tax due to zero, then didn't those programs simply do what they were supposed to? If not, shouldn't we attack the programs and not the person who is just doing those things that the law was crafted to encourage him to do?

      But we don't know, not without seeing what Romney actually did, do we? Perhaps it is one, perhaps it is the other, perhaps it is a mix of both.

      I saw a story about a guy who took a tax break for some historical preservation on his property. Basically he agreed to keep it in some historical character in exchange for a cut on his taxes. But wait, he was in a property district where he wasn't allowed to make that change in the first place, so taking the tax break?

      Not legitimate. Maybe Romney did the same thing, maybe not, who knows? Not you or I, not from what he's released.

      If some rich guy paid no tax in return for opening ten orphanages, are we still going to complain he paid no taxes? Is he a saint, or is he an evil tax avoider?

      If we're going to play hypothetical scenario, then let's go for it all the way.

      What if that rich guy's orphanages were just a front for a gun-running operation like in Sons of Anarchy? What if those orphanages were really indoctrination centers? What if those orphanages were underfunded? What if those orphanages would only adopt to members of a preferred religion, or were racially biased? What if the number of orphans being handled was zero? What if the Mormon church engaged in lobbying of the state of California for Proposition 8?

      Oh wait, sorry, that last one was a bit too real.

      But seriously, we can play What-if games all you want, the answers about Mitt Romney's taxes? Can't come, since he kept those private. His father acted differently, but Mitt kept it concealed.

      That would be a sorry way to get me to vote for him, though not necessarily a deal breaker. However, it did weigh against him, though with the electoral college being the way it is, my vote really wasn't meaningful, the state I'm in was locked up beforehand, a dead snake could have been on the ballot and the electors would have gone through with it.

      But that's a digression even further from the topic at hand. I'm only barely interested in the tax issue, it doesn't concern me near as much as the one that came up here. And if anything, it's probably distracting too much from the original issue of the submission.

  3. recycling is good by paul+mafinga · · Score: 1

    ...and the African continent needs jobs. Keeps them from joining the Jihad.

  4. Responsible Journalism = Oxymoron by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Three movies everyone should see to understand Journalism
    Absence of Malice
    The Front Page
    His Girl Friday.

    Their only flaws are being too kind to the "Profession"

  5. economics by fermion · · Score: 2

    My suspicion with these so-called African landfills, or anywhere, is where is the economics of transporting heavy waste ten thousand miles just to dump it. yes, the US and European laws make dumping it a home expensive, but just to dump it elsewhere for the kid to play in? Does not seem to add up. Transporting it to be used for a few years and them dumping it, that makes sense. That still has the problem of concentrating toxic waste in places where there are not good regulations to protect the populous, but that is a different issue.

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    1. Re:economics by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      They dump it in international waters.

    2. Re:economics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  6. Who to believe by guanxi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who are you? Why should I believe the "Good Point Ideas Blog" over Wired and The Daily Mail? What is your motive here?

    1. Re:Who to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can pretty much believe anything over The Daily Mail...

    2. Re:Who to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because according to millennials anything you see on social networking or blogs makes you better informed.

      http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7301445&cid=49535551

    3. Re:Who to believe by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Why should I believe the "Good Point Ideas Blog" over Wired and The Daily Mail?

      I think the point is that you shouldn't automatically believe any of them.
      When deciding what to believe, you should look at several criteria:
      1. How credible is the publication?
      2. Do they provide photos, give specific locations, and name specific names?
      3. Are the facts in the story credible?
      For #1, they are all low.
      For #2, the blog wins.
      For #3, the whole world generates only a few "millions of tonnes" of e-waste annually, and much of it is recycled locally, or sent to China or India. It is not very likely that the vast majority of it ends up in Ghana. So the blog wins again.

    4. Re:Who to believe by retroworks · · Score: 4, Informative

      Any sources for the stats in Wired or Daily Mail? No? Because the original source has vanished.

      Here is a link to research of peer reviewed articles which traces the claims made in Wired (actually repeating what a photographer said, Wired did not make the claim) and Mail scalar.usc.edu/works/reassembling-rubbish/mapping-e-waste-as-a-controversy-from-statements-to-debates-1?path=e-waste-mapping-a-controversy

      And here is the UN funded 2012 study of the imports to Ghana which found 91% reuse. http://www.basel.int/Portals/4... This was the study that caused BAN.org (the NGO) to backtrack on their claims.

      As for who I am, former Peace Corps volunteer, degree in intl relations, former head of recycling for Massachusetts DEP, consultant to EPA, and founder of WR3A.org which has part of a 3 university $469K research grant on used electronics imports, managed by Memorial University (USC Long Beach and Pontifica UCP Peru also part of the research).

      The press release also refers to reporters who attended, including Author of NYT Bestseller (Junkyard Planet) Adam Minter of Bloomberg. I was most impressed however with the Dagbani geeks and nerds who gave us the tour of the site and the import containers with the reused equipment. But finding a news journal like Wired or Mail which actually interviews actual African businesspeople, I'm afraid I can't find quickly. But here is an essay from one of the Technicians who came with us (not Dagbani speaker, he's from Volta region) http://www.isri.org/news-publi...

      You can also try doing math on an envelope to see which source to follow. The cost of shipping 700 televisions (what can fit in a sea container) is $10k (purchase of TVs, shippping and customs) or $14 per TV. They contain about $2 in copper. Oh, and Joe Benson, the guy in UK jail? His cost of disposing the bad ones, the ones he was supposedly avoiding recycling costs for? $0, he showed regular trips to recycle the ones he didn't want to pay $14 to ship.

      Here is another source, Heather Agyepong (of UK but parents were from Ghana), who visited last summer and reported the same thing, that the "dystopia" and "dumping" was basically not to be found. http://www.okayafrica.com/phot...

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    5. Re:Who to believe by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      And here is the UN funded 2012 study of the imports to Ghana which found 91% reuse. http://www.basel.int/Portals/4... [basel.int] This was the study that caused BAN.org (the NGO) to backtrack on their claims.

      They didn't want the reuse numbers to get out because their campaign was really about one important American family value: black people shouldn't be allowed near computers. They'll dirty the Internet up.

    6. Re:Who to believe by blang · · Score: 1

      You should believe it because it makes a whole lot more sense than the shite is refuting.

      If you have been to any 3rd world county, you would know that the surplus market, where used goods from richer countries are highly sought after.
      That includes bikes, furniture , other household items, electronics, etc.
      People happily pay higher price for a second hand european or US made product than the equivalent new product manufactured in china, which often breaks after a few uses.

      Ans yes, people in poor countries repair their tvs, cd players, electrical fans etc. when they break. We just toss it out because it would not make any sense to pay some schmuck $50 to fix a $30 item. The math is very different when the repair cost under a dollar per hour,

      I applaud your SKEPTICISM but i suspect is it just camouflaged ignorance.
      Too many schmucks have never been anywhere or seen anything or have a mind to think outside their little browser.

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    7. Re:Who to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you and fuck the editors for posting your blog spam. Eat a dick straight up.

    8. Re:Who to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. If DailyMail said the sky was blue, I would doubt it until I went and checked for myself.

    9. Re:Who to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He posted his name. What's yours AC?

    10. Re:Who to believe by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      The limiting factor in repair these days isn't really time (though it is significant) it's the parts, open up your TV and see what you actually replace in there. Even if you have the skills to replace SMD components you won't know what part you need and even if you did by some miracle find the part number you couldn't buy a replacement as they aren't made any more as the fabrication plants are making newer components now. So unless you want buy a complete power supply/motherboard/screen for basically the price of a new device you can't repair it. If you can find a similar model you might be able to swap out parts but model numbers change fast these days as well.

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    11. Re:Who to believe by blang · · Score: 1

      This is true, but that is only relative.

      An LCD TV still has many repair options.
      Blown capacitors
      Bad soldering.
      Blown chips etc.
      TV repair becomes unfeasible only if it is the same part that always breaks, and this part is very expensive.

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  7. Re:A scrap of truth by dugancent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Damaged cars, at least where I've lived, go to a local wrecking yard where they are parted out and crushed for scrap metal. It's not cost effective to send them elsewhere.

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  8. False Accusation not a victimless crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As seen on /. a few months ago, an African born TV repairman is in UK prison based on this malarky. http://news.slashdot.org/story...

  9. To paraphrase Dan Rather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The story is true, even if the information it's based on is false.

  10. If you actually look on the map.. by iONiUM · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's really not that big: google earth picture of the location from sat.

    The pictures make it look like it's an entire city, but really it's just a small area. Of course, they don't show you aerial views because that would stop any sort or rational opinion from forming on the subject.

    1. Re:If you actually look on the map.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even without looking at it from the air.... there really doesn't seem to be much e-waste. Yeah it the ground in areas does appear to be burnt but other than that there appear to be like three or four monitors that they are passing around for people to stand on to generate outrage. I've seen more "e-waste" at a local 2nd hand electronics store.

      Now it it had shown people standing on a small mountain of monitors I might feel differently. Instead what we see is someone standing on what appears to be a single PC case with what appears to be a burning couch in the background.

  11. Why can't old equipment have a second life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Computers I "recycle", especially from work, can still run Windows just fine, browse and do general computing tasks decently.

    You cannot play the latest and greatest games, or run the latest version of Illustrator or Photoshop. We get rid of them mostly due to reliability and the fact that it gets harder and harder to purchase replacement parts (such as CPU, mobo).

    I do not see why they cannot have a second life for somebody living in a 3rd world country. The machines work well enough.

    I guess the transportation cost could make them prohibitively expensive...and the electrical requirements might put it out of the range of somebody who survives on $2US/day.

    1. Re:Why can't old equipment have a second life... by un1nsp1red · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that many businesses cycle through their computers based on accounting practices. e.g., Several companies I've worked at had five-year depreciation schedules. Each year, they can write off 20% of the cost of a computer. After five years, the depreciation runs out and it makes sense to replace those machines.

    2. Re:Why can't old equipment have a second life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is the reason why articles like Wired & Mail are being pushed. Manufacturers don't want consumers re-using old electronics. if they could, they would make it illegal to resale their products.

  12. Hyperbole war? by azav · · Score: 1

    Our hyperbole must defeat their hyperbole, because freedoms!

    Stupid title is stupid.

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    1. Re:Hyperbole war? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Stupid title is stupid.

      It's also hyperbole, ironically.

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  13. Please spell checlk by azav · · Score: 1

    > worlds "largest ewaste dump site"

    world's* "largest ewaste dump site".

    worlds = more than one world

    Come on, people. This is third grade English.

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  14. It is par for the course, unfortunately by blang · · Score: 1

    Agenda Journalism, mixed with sensationalist journalism is doing this kind of shite all the time.
    And the lazy journalism does not end there.
    The stories and pictures is often translated and copied to other media outlets without proper source attribution.
    Teh original articles often lack permission from photo subject, and are ripe with exaggerations, short on facts, and fabrications are common.

    The media outlets perpetrating this shite are rarely held accountable.

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  15. E-Wast Dump is real... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  16. All journalism today exists to push agendas by Tighe_L · · Score: 1

    You think wired will fire the journalist and editor? Rolling stone didn't.

  17. Re:A scrap of truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see a lot of damaged cars sitting in farms rusting. Stupid sod-kickers destroying the environment.

  18. Time for the west to quit exporting 'waste' by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, most of the 'waste' that is sent out are great sources of resources. Gold, Iron, Plastic, Copper, etc. Yes, there is Mercury and Lead in those, but that can be dealt with easily. We have various deep mines, well below water tables, in which the pure mercury and lead can be easily contained.

    Australia has the right attitude of using Robotics to part out items.

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    I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    1. Re:Time for the west to quit exporting 'waste' by halivar · · Score: 1

      TFS and TFA refutes the idea that we are, in fact, exporting this kind of waste in volume. I don't live in a huge metropolitan area, and even *my* garbage goes through single-stream recycling.

    2. Re:Time for the west to quit exporting 'waste' by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Why even bury the lead and mercury, those are valuable elements so long as they are not in the air, soil or water.

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    3. Re:Time for the west to quit exporting 'waste' by mars-nl · · Score: 1

      A Dutch documentary recently showed Africans are now getting rich by recycling discarded mobile phones or "urban mining". Loads of rare metals in those things.

      http://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afle...

    4. Re:Time for the west to quit exporting 'waste' by mars-nl · · Score: 1

      Fast forward to 7:00 to actually see Agbogbloshie (and hear in English).

    5. Re:Time for the west to quit exporting 'waste' by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      I have talked to WM (largest waste company in America) about their recycling stream and found out that all of theirs flows to CHina. Likewise, most of the electronic recyclers also flow it to China.

      And Yes, I called multiple companies, include WM, to find out how this works.

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  19. Re:A scrap of truth by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

    Old vehicles are great for recycling as you point out. They get picked clean of anything useable and then what ever is left is crushed, ground up, separated, and melted into new raw materials. I make regular use of the local salvage yard along with a number of my friends. It is a cheap way to keep our vehicles out of the salvage yard. $16 for a door window, $12 bucks for a window motor, $5 for the switches, and what ever else is needed to fix all that annoying crap that goes wrong all there for the picking.

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  20. Stupid premise by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    " as the World Bank reports, is the affordable used product essential to establish a critical mass of users so that investment in highways, phone towers, and internet cable can find necessary consumers?"

    We went from zero cars to millions without phone towers and internet. We had roads before the concept of the highway or the interstate. It was pressure from too many cars that justified the paving over of roads. Maybe what we should be doing is not continually siphoning off their best and brightest for our own use. The "brain drain" is real, and it means those communities have lost the time, effort, and funds they've put into their education system to other countries rather than seeing the benefits at home. Ditto the skills drain. And so the cycle of poverty is repeated.

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  21. Re:A scrap of truth by tnk1 · · Score: 2

    Even with a few trucks in the yard, they probably made better use of those trucks than the people in the city made of the disposable crap that they use and throw away every day. Those specific trucks, going on what I used to see on farms, can be anywhere from 10 to 50 years old, depending on the farmer's ability to repair them enough so that they keep running.

  22. "it is reasonable to believe" != true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it is reasonable to believe he could have paid all the taxes that would be said to be due by him, but that number be zero

    It is also reasonable to believe the Romney paid millions in taxes.

    But that doesn't matter, the question was whether Reid lied, and the answer is: Yes, he did.

    1. Re:"it is reasonable to believe" != true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is also reasonable to believe the Romney paid millions in taxes.

      Sure, you can believe that, it's not something inconceivable.

      But that doesn't matter, the question was whether Reid lied, and the answer is: Yes, he did.

      No, that wasn't a question in this thread at all, bobbied just brought up examples of things that weren't reported accurately while bemoaning the lack of high standards of ethics in journalism. Yet failed in the accuracy of his or her own descriptions.

      That's what I'm questioning.

      If you want to question Harry Reid, try http://www.reid.senate.gov/contact

      Good luck with that.

  23. so it has come down to this by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    highways, phone towers, and internet cable

    and all this time I thought it was food, clothing, and shelter. Serves me right for growing up "off the grid"

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  24. Does anyone else see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A paradise of free components and connectors.

  25. Re:A scrap of truth by ksheff · · Score: 1

    many of those were likely a project that they were going to get to someday when they had time....and that time has yet to arrive.

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  26. World Bank metadata by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    The summary talks about World Bank metadata. why is this called metadata and not just data?

  27. Re:A scrap of truth by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

    You missed the most important reason of all!

    It is just plain FUN to play around in a salvage yard. And you occasionally come across odd and unique parts.

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  28. It's big companies, not consumers!!! by MxMatrix · · Score: 1

    I'm a 'big' pc user, no less than 10 around the house. But the most of them being second hand or even older. Re-using my old hardware is a normal way of saving money. And stuff I don't use anymore is being sold again or given away to people with a need for it.

    It's big companies who sell-off their old crappy hardware to wholesale buyers and then it end's up in Accra, Africa.
    Instead of finding close range solutions like donating to schools, unemployed and poor they want a buck or more for it.
    And I'm not even talking about companies who replace their entire fleet every 3 years.
    That's just nasty to my point of view.

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  29. Re:A scrap of truth by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

    I remember as a kid it was great to to one. Go digging in vehicles to see what you could find for change and toys. You quickly figured out what were rich people cars as they tended to have most amount of change in them and if they were a family car they would have the best toys. BTW my family was government cheese poor at times when I was little.

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  30. Re:A scrap of truth by toddestan · · Score: 1

    Actually, they are most likely to be exported after the crushing stage, to places like China where the steel is recycled.