U really have no clue. China invaded India just last year. They are building diversionary dams that will take Indian water when they want. China has more than 1 million troops on the Indian border. And u think that they will work together?
Chinese economy is a mix if capitalism (west facing businesses) and communism ( for all other businesses, Chinese gov dictates where u can work at and for how much ). As such, Chinese gov simply tells their employees to make less money.
Actually, those of us who have worked on space programs rarely, if ever, mock anybody for trying. It remains damn difficult.
In fact, had NASA not helped osc, blue origin, and esp spacex, they would all be still working with small rockets that blow up occasionally.
First off, lets skip the analogy with a trash tv show. Not everybody rots their mind with such trash.
Secondly, it was China's dropping of their regulations, combined with raising MASSIVE amounts of import tariffs that actually causes many companies to go to China. It is NOT that the west has heavy regs. In fact, America's regs are LESS than the rest of the west, and yet, it was from our nation that many companies fled. Why? Because the neo-cons provided tax incentives to make them go.
None of the figures above actually account for outsourcing manufacturing to China from the US and EU. In that light the Western country's CO2 production is much and China's lower.
This lack of logic always cracks me up.
It is the same worthless logic as saying that a women in a miniskirt deserved to get raped, or when you charge the rape victim for services rendered.
Right now, on a per capita basis, America emits less than 2x per capita than what China does. In addition, while China's emissions grow yearly, America's drops. In addition, once OCO2's numbers are out there, it is very likely, that America's numbers will drop some, while China's will be more than America.
Based on the numbers that you show, I would think that it reflects on China's inefficienies, not America's.
The fact is, that US's economy has recovered and continues to grow, and yet, the CO2 emissions continued to drop (but in 2013, it stablized). So, yeah, for 1-2 years out of nearly 6, the economy figured in. BUT, what REALLY mattered, is that we have been switching to nat gas while killing our coal plants. We did that while nations like China was building 2 new coal plants PER WEEK, and germany continues to grow THEIR coal usage.
You mention the import tax, and that is ALMOST the right way.
Instead, America (in fact, all nations), should to a 'vat' tax on all goods based on where parts come from. Basically, tax the good for where it is the worst nation.
In addition, we need REAL CO2 numbers, not fake ones. As such, OCO2's numbers should be used. It will give us a clear pix of what nation is polluting and at what levels within the next 6 months.
Finally, normalization based on CO2 per capita is the worst idea going. Instead, it should be based on CO2 per GDP. Co2 emissions is NOT tied to ppl, but tied to business. In addition, by tying it to real GDP, it means that any nation that wants to cheat by lowering their money vs. others to get manufacturing, will pay a higher tax elsewhere, which will drop their exports.
OTOH, if they allow their money to float, and they focus on keeping their emissions low, then they end up being rewarded by not having a tax on their exports.
They are in tough situation NOW, but 20 years ago, they had relatively much cleaner air (dirty by western measures, but still a fraction of what it is today). BUT, the fact that they continue to build out new coal plants, when they could instead build out more wind generators and solar, along with buying more nuke plants from the west, speaks volumes.
So many of you just fall for the BS.
First off, China has 15 reactors with another 15 planned and being worked on. America has 100+ reactors and has another 13 reactors planned/being worked on.
Secondly, CHina talks about doing many more reactors, but only once they grab the technology from the west. IOW, it is about taking tech from the west, not about lowering their emissions.
Third, China's NEW Coal plants for EACH YEAR for the next 6 years, will outstrip 3 years worth of building new nuke plants.
So, what it amounts to, is that while the west shuts down coal plants and replaces them with clean energy, China is on a massive build-out using plenty of coal plants in which they do not run scrubbers on them.
The fact is, that those wind generators are being dumped on foreign markets. IOW, the majority of those are designed to take out other nation's work on their wind generators.
Instead, a far more useful number, is how many wind generators are going up in China, which is far far less.
Nope.
It is amazing how much the DOD buys DIRECTLY, as well as indirectly, from China.
For your idea to work, the DOD needs to INSIST that all of the parts come from America, or at least the west.
The cold war was over. reagan kept it going. That idiot raised more taxes on Americans than any other president; ran up the most massive deficits; ran like a coward from lebanon after he had been told to NOT go there; etc. etc.
That man, along with W, were 2 of the worst fucking president that America has had.
First off, we have already traveled to the moon and back. And nobody died directly. secondly, other than the house neo-cons/tea*, nobody expects anybody going to mars to come back for at least 10-15 years if ever.
FreedomFirst, for having worked where you have, then you know that nukes are expensive and we really do NOT want to do this.
O tried to get Russia AND China to work on verifying and lowering the warhead counts. China refuses to participate.
However, if another nations top leaders believes that a nuke war IS winnable, and is building new warheads underground, along with creating a massive shelter, such as 3000 miles of underground tunnels, then by cutting our number down, it invites first strike.
And if you ran the numbers, then you know the ONLY way to stop such leaders, is to prevent them from thinking that a nuke war is winnable.
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Yes, I am sure that all of you AQ and Isis supporters do hate the NSA.
U really have no clue. China invaded India just last year. They are building diversionary dams that will take Indian water when they want. China has more than 1 million troops on the Indian border. And u think that they will work together?
Chinese economy is a mix if capitalism (west facing businesses) and communism ( for all other businesses, Chinese gov dictates where u can work at and for how much ). As such, Chinese gov simply tells their employees to make less money.
America also pushes the gov. to buy this and help restart the industry.
Actually, those of us who have worked on space programs rarely, if ever, mock anybody for trying. It remains damn difficult.
In fact, had NASA not helped osc, blue origin, and esp spacex, they would all be still working with small rockets that blow up occasionally.
First off, lets skip the analogy with a trash tv show. Not everybody rots their mind with such trash.
Secondly, it was China's dropping of their regulations, combined with raising MASSIVE amounts of import tariffs that actually causes many companies to go to China. It is NOT that the west has heavy regs. In fact, America's regs are LESS than the rest of the west, and yet, it was from our nation that many companies fled. Why? Because the neo-cons provided tax incentives to make them go.
Yes, but China and other nations have no intentions of changing unless they can do it painlessly and can protect their growth.
None of the figures above actually account for outsourcing manufacturing to China from the US and EU. In that light the Western country's CO2 production is much and China's lower.
This lack of logic always cracks me up.
It is the same worthless logic as saying that a women in a miniskirt deserved to get raped, or when you charge the rape victim for services rendered.
Right now, on a per capita basis, America emits less than 2x per capita than what China does. In addition, while China's emissions grow yearly, America's drops. In addition, once OCO2's numbers are out there, it is very likely, that America's numbers will drop some, while China's will be more than America.
Based on the numbers that you show, I would think that it reflects on China's inefficienies, not America's.
The fact is, that US's economy has recovered and continues to grow, and yet, the CO2 emissions continued to drop (but in 2013, it stablized). So, yeah, for 1-2 years out of nearly 6, the economy figured in. BUT, what REALLY mattered, is that we have been switching to nat gas while killing our coal plants. We did that while nations like China was building 2 new coal plants PER WEEK, and germany continues to grow THEIR coal usage.
You mention the import tax, and that is ALMOST the right way.
Instead, America (in fact, all nations), should to a 'vat' tax on all goods based on where parts come from. Basically, tax the good for where it is the worst nation.
In addition, we need REAL CO2 numbers, not fake ones. As such, OCO2's numbers should be used. It will give us a clear pix of what nation is polluting and at what levels within the next 6 months.
Finally, normalization based on CO2 per capita is the worst idea going. Instead, it should be based on CO2 per GDP. Co2 emissions is NOT tied to ppl, but tied to business. In addition, by tying it to real GDP, it means that any nation that wants to cheat by lowering their money vs. others to get manufacturing, will pay a higher tax elsewhere, which will drop their exports.
OTOH, if they allow their money to float, and they focus on keeping their emissions low, then they end up being rewarded by not having a tax on their exports.
America has done BETTER than what kyoto held us to.
China is doing 15 new reactors. America alone, has over 100+ reactors. Claiming that this will be more than what US and France produce is so much BS.
They are in tough situation NOW, but 20 years ago, they had relatively much cleaner air (dirty by western measures, but still a fraction of what it is today). BUT, the fact that they continue to build out new coal plants, when they could instead build out more wind generators and solar, along with buying more nuke plants from the west, speaks volumes.
So many of you just fall for the BS.
First off, China has 15 reactors with another 15 planned and being worked on. America has 100+ reactors and has another 13 reactors planned/being worked on.
Secondly, CHina talks about doing many more reactors, but only once they grab the technology from the west. IOW, it is about taking tech from the west, not about lowering their emissions.
Third, China's NEW Coal plants for EACH YEAR for the next 6 years, will outstrip 3 years worth of building new nuke plants.
So, what it amounts to, is that while the west shuts down coal plants and replaces them with clean energy, China is on a massive build-out using plenty of coal plants in which they do not run scrubbers on them.
The fact is, that those wind generators are being dumped on foreign markets. IOW, the majority of those are designed to take out other nation's work on their wind generators.
Instead, a far more useful number, is how many wind generators are going up in China, which is far far less.
Chinese leaders chose that and then dump on western markets. The Chinese leaders are the issues.
America is AHEAD of where we promised to be.
What about it?
Back in early 90's, China accounted for less than 10% of global CO2, with Europe and America over 20% each.
Now, China accounts for more than 33%, while Europe is around 11%, and America at less than 15%.
Nope. It is amazing how much the DOD buys DIRECTLY, as well as indirectly, from China.
For your idea to work, the DOD needs to INSIST that all of the parts come from America, or at least the west.
Upon arriving at the moon, They can visit the Bigelow Aerospace gift shop that will be there by 2030.
The cold war was over. reagan kept it going. That idiot raised more taxes on Americans than any other president; ran up the most massive deficits; ran like a coward from lebanon after he had been told to NOT go there; etc. etc.
That man, along with W, were 2 of the worst fucking president that America has had.
Yucca mountain absolutely should stay closed for the time being.
Far better to burn up most of the 'waste' as fuel, then to simply bury it.
First off, we have already traveled to the moon and back. And nobody died directly.
secondly, other than the house neo-cons/tea*, nobody expects anybody going to mars to come back for at least 10-15 years if ever.
Not when you are buying it from China.
FreedomFirst, for having worked where you have, then you know that nukes are expensive and we really do NOT want to do this.
O tried to get Russia AND China to work on verifying and lowering the warhead counts. China refuses to participate.
However, if another nations top leaders believes that a nuke war IS winnable, and is building new warheads underground, along with creating a massive shelter, such as 3000 miles of underground tunnels, then by cutting our number down, it invites first strike.
And if you ran the numbers, then you know the ONLY way to stop such leaders, is to prevent them from thinking that a nuke war is winnable.