Actually, the landing on land, I believe is NOT meant to be permanent. It is basically testing, just as 'landing' on the ocean is. The fact is, that stopping their forward momentum is expensive, fuel-wise.
I am fully aware of where they are sending back the first stage for testing.
BUT, I suspect that it makes economic sense, to instead, land them on an oil rig and then barge them back, Since stopping their forward momentum will take a lot of fuel.
considering that fuel is less than 1/4 of a million $, if they can land the first stage, either on land or an old oil rig, AND can get 10 launches from it, they will save 1/3 of their costs. And that is just for the first stage.
Knowing SpaceX, they will cut their price by at least 1/6, so that they pick up just about everything flying, and make increased profits to put into more R&D.
Not any time soon. There is no doubt that multiple russian ships including subs, and I will bet Chinese sub has been there as well, have been offshore of florida looking for parts, esp. electronics. The algorithms are what will be of use to them.
Data upload from tracking plane shows first stage landing in Atlantic was good! Flight computers continued transmitting for 8 seconds after reaching the water. Stopped when booster went horizontal. Several boats enroute through heavy seas...
The issue is NOT whether they they recovered the stage, but whether it landed at slow controlled speeds. Apparently, SpaceX feels that it did 'land' on the water. As such, one or 2 more times with this, and they will be able to put it on land.
Personally, I think that bringing it all the way back to the cape is a mistake. Instead, they should use one of the old oil rigs that are out there. Clean it up, land it on the rig, and then offload with a crane to a barge and take it back for launc.
Interesting that a russian naval ship (called a tug, but how many miles off florida coast ? ) was there at the landing site to watch this.
I think that everybody who continues to knock SpaceX, is realizing that they are all in serious trouble.
Then it is time for those that are laid off, to sue the company. In particular, in a court, they should be pointing out the security issues, esp. with target. And then push this issue with the courts.
First, one of Target's HVAC guy lost an ID. BUT, target has NOT found that the ID was used to get in there and that was the entry point.
Yet, the one thing that amazes me, is that they totally ignore the fact that not only did Target offshore a great deal, but esp. their production was offshored. And this was the group that is paying their Indian software engineers, about $7-9K/year (India, like china, plays games with their money against the dollar). How easy is it to offer somebody say 70K to simply open a port, or to leave a back door, etc, and NOT have it be found? Keep in mind that $70K in India, with the current rupee money, is a 10 year salary. You can quietly leave target, get another job elsewhere and have your retirement fully taken care of.
Yes, one group said that something was going on, but the group in India that was dealing with Production IGNORED IT. More importantly, the idiots in target that offshored this, were the ones that ignored the warnings.
And now, utilities are being stupid and following suite. It is time for shareholders to SUE the day lights out of Target and companies like this that offshore.
You should never have bought 4 MB's. They really do SUX. Highly overpriced for what you get and breaks down far too often (though it was more of the ones prior to 2000 that were horrible).
We are waiting for the Model X and then we will decide which way to go.
In light of how SpaceX has destroyed Airbus, I am amazed that MB, Audi, Porsche, etc have the attitude that they do. Yes, they will have the German gov. forcing everybody to buy their crap, but outside of Germany, it will not happen.
lets see. Not a hybrid, but an electric car. Runs Linux, not IOS. And has the cheapest prices for batteries going. In fact, they charge 10K for 20 KWH batteries, while Nissan, toyota, GM, MB, etc. are paying $20K for inferior batteries that are not even properly conditioned.
And you are welcome to buy a highly overrated POS vehicle that will continue to cost you year after year after year for up to 15 years. Then you will junk yard it because it will be shot.
Just 5-6 years ago, airbus, esp. the Germans inside of Airbus, were blasting SpaceX and saying that it would never be a threat to them. Now, they want 10's of billions / year in subsidies. Basically, they are in deep trouble.
Now, along comes the CEO of a company that I would say is HIGHLY overrated, and says that Tesla is overrated. Wait for just 3 more years. MB, Audi, Porsche, etc. buyers will realize that they produce nothing but expensive junk.
And yet, that is a joke. China emits more than 1/3 of the CO2 emissions in the world today. America is below 15%. And Europe-OECD is actually ABOVE America. The problem is, that IPCC normalizes in bizarre fashions. The idea that CO2 emissions are compared in a national way is a joke. Germany's emission are climbing fast and yet, total emissions are below America. Many nations in Europe are fairly low, and yet, in terms of CO2 / $GDP, they are monster high.
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Actually, the landing on land, I believe is NOT meant to be permanent. It is basically testing, just as 'landing' on the ocean is. The fact is, that stopping their forward momentum is expensive, fuel-wise.
CSA will do what they have done in all other industries: subsidize and dump their launch on foreign markets.
There are plenty of old oil platforms the to east of Florida as well.
Plenty of old stationary oil rigs are out there. Simply buy one out there. If none are in the area, then put one up.
Hmmm. Just re-read the MCT stuff. Yeah, I have to wonder where that will happen at, esp. since they are planning on multiple engines.
I am fully aware of where they are sending back the first stage for testing.
BUT, I suspect that it makes economic sense, to instead, land them on an oil rig and then barge them back, Since stopping their forward momentum will take a lot of fuel.
I heard the head of Mercedes said it's just some passing fad.
Referring to Tesla, not SpaceX.
And just like the German head of Airbus had it wrong about SpaceX, MB now has Tesla wrong.
cooler? Perhaps. Cheaper and more profitable? Not likely if they are getting only say 10 re-uses.
considering that fuel is less than 1/4 of a million $, if they can land the first stage, either on land or an old oil rig, AND can get 10 launches from it, they will save 1/3 of their costs. And that is just for the first stage.
Knowing SpaceX, they will cut their price by at least 1/6, so that they pick up just about everything flying, and make increased profits to put into more R&D.
Exactly right.
Hopefully, later on, they will put it on an oil rig, rather than taking it all the way back to land. That will allow a lot more payload.
Anybody that thinks that they will land this on a barge is kidding themselves. SpaceX has never said that, or hinted at that.
I seriously doubt that spaceX has ANY intention of landing on barges. They move too much. Instead, an old oil rig would make far more sense.
Not any time soon. There is no doubt that multiple russian ships including subs, and I will bet Chinese sub has been there as well, have been offshore of florida looking for parts, esp. electronics. The algorithms are what will be of use to them.
Data upload from tracking plane shows first stage landing in Atlantic was good! Flight computers continued transmitting for 8 seconds after reaching the water. Stopped when booster went horizontal. Several boats enroute through heavy seas...
The issue is NOT whether they they recovered the stage, but whether it landed at slow controlled speeds. Apparently, SpaceX feels that it did 'land' on the water. As such, one or 2 more times with this, and they will be able to put it on land.
Personally, I think that bringing it all the way back to the cape is a mistake. Instead, they should use one of the old oil rigs that are out there. Clean it up, land it on the rig, and then offload with a crane to a barge and take it back for launc.
Interesting that a russian naval ship (called a tug, but how many miles off florida coast ? ) was there at the landing site to watch this.
I think that everybody who continues to knock SpaceX, is realizing that they are all in serious trouble.
Then it is time for those that are laid off, to sue the company. In particular, in a court, they should be pointing out the security issues, esp. with target. And then push this issue with the courts.
Uh, no. They will use the H1B to learn the position and then go back to India. I watched this happen with Verizon. I was unimpressed.
Buy some stock in the company and sue them. Seriously. Sue them for making hiring ppl that will be easy targets for bribery.
First, one of Target's HVAC guy lost an ID. BUT, target has NOT found that the ID was used to get in there and that was the entry point.
Yet, the one thing that amazes me, is that they totally ignore the fact that not only did Target offshore a great deal, but esp. their production was offshored.
And this was the group that is paying their Indian software engineers, about $7-9K/year (India, like china, plays games with their money against the dollar). How easy is it to offer somebody say 70K to simply open a port, or to leave a back door, etc, and NOT have it be found? Keep in mind that $70K in India, with the current rupee money, is a 10 year salary. You can quietly leave target, get another job elsewhere and have your retirement fully taken care of.
Yes, one group said that something was going on, but the group in India that was dealing with Production IGNORED IT. More importantly, the idiots in target that offshored this, were the ones that ignored the warnings.
And now, utilities are being stupid and following suite. It is time for shareholders to SUE the day lights out of Target and companies like this that offshore.
You should never have bought 4 MB's. They really do SUX. Highly overpriced for what you get and breaks down far too often (though it was more of the ones prior to 2000 that were horrible).
We are waiting for the Model X and then we will decide which way to go.
In light of how SpaceX has destroyed Airbus, I am amazed that MB, Audi, Porsche, etc have the attitude that they do. Yes, they will have the German gov. forcing everybody to buy their crap, but outside of Germany, it will not happen.
lets see. Not a hybrid, but an electric car. Runs Linux, not IOS. And has the cheapest prices for batteries going. In fact, they charge 10K for 20 KWH batteries, while Nissan, toyota, GM, MB, etc. are paying $20K for inferior batteries that are not even properly conditioned.
And you are welcome to buy a highly overrated POS vehicle that will continue to cost you year after year after year for up to 15 years. Then you will junk yard it because it will be shot.
That is the guy that moved his family to China and is begging everybody to invest into China and North Korea.
OTOH, Jim Chanos who has a much better past WRT picking winners/losers, is shorting China and North Korea.
Just 5-6 years ago, airbus, esp. the Germans inside of Airbus, were blasting SpaceX and saying that it would never be a threat to them. Now, they want 10's of billions / year in subsidies. Basically, they are in deep trouble.
Now, along comes the CEO of a company that I would say is HIGHLY overrated, and says that Tesla is overrated. Wait for just 3 more years. MB, Audi, Porsche, etc. buyers will realize that they produce nothing but expensive junk.
And yet, everybody screams about America that emits only 15%, ignores Europe that emits about 16% (and climbing), and China at over 1/3 of all CO2.
And yet, that is a joke. China emits more than 1/3 of the CO2 emissions in the world today. America is below 15%. And Europe-OECD is actually ABOVE America. The problem is, that IPCC normalizes in bizarre fashions. The idea that CO2 emissions are compared in a national way is a joke. Germany's emission are climbing fast and yet, total emissions are below America. Many nations in Europe are fairly low, and yet, in terms of CO2 / $GDP, they are monster high.