martin,
Your gripe about geothermal is that they removed the sludge/minerals off their turbines. I agree that simply washing them off and leaving it around is foolish and stupid. In fact, it is stupid because that is a highly concentrated form of elements. It does contain lead and mercury, but it also contains, li, U, P, Pu, Ag, Th, Au, Fe, Cu, etc. Nearly all of these are regarded as important today. Simple regulations that require that they not throw it away and in fact, perhaps some tax breaks to encourage obtaining the elements from it, would help solve it. I would also suggest that EPA pick a number of old mines and use these for storage of things like Hg and Pb.
Geothermal, esp when re-injected, is as clean as wind.
Seriously, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc have been selling your data for YEARS.
The ONLY one that has not sold off our data (that connects directly/indirectly to us) is Google. Google DOES sell data, but it is aggregated data, it is not individual data. IOW, it can not be used to tie to you.
Actually, geo-thermal is very dispatchable. It can be at full power in seconds.
In addition, all of the new nukes are designed for demand following and can change loads typically from 25-100% in minutes (yeah, it has to be running ).
I do have to say that numbers are getting interesting.EC180 sales for the year is at 27279. OTOH, the Model 3 hit 18,305 at the end of may And that does not include the fact that Tesla is now building M3 each week, what BYD sells EACH MONTH. Yes, Tesla is now building 5000 M3 / week, with another 2000 MS/X. So, Tesla is building (i.e. selling) around 20,000 model 3 for a total of 28,000 EVs each month.
If this holds, then they will surpass all car makers later this year.
Borrowing from a great movie, I do not think that mechanized farming means what you think it means.
But, I would not call mechanized farming (i.e. the use of tractors and equipment) as being a big producer of CO2.
Now, raising cattle will produce lots of CO2, but that is the case no matter if fed via feedlot or pasture(which is what I assume that you think it means).
mechanized farming has not been an issue WRT greenies, while our eating of ANY meat has been .
Yes, some ppl have pushed to convert ppl to vegan, but in general, those ppl have other issues/focus. IOW, they do not care about AGW.
If we kept our farming the way it is today, and killed off 100% of fossil fuel electricity AND 100% of transportation's emissions (disregard aircraft, etc), then our emissions would be below 33% of where it is today. IOW, fossil fuel electricity AND passenger/commercial vehicles emissions account for more than 66% of all of our emissions. At that point, the climate should be in decent shape.
Yeah, you are right about AGW's meaning, but so far, Jwhyche has been spot on WRT issues on this. It is obvious that he understands it. He is just not used to seeing these abbreviations. Hell, if I did not have friends that are working on this problem, I likely would not have known.
Yeah, we are pretty much agreement.
America has lowered our CO2 mostly due to switching to nat gas and Wind. However, nat gas is NOT 10x cleaner than coal. When it comes to CO2, it is about 50% of the best coal plant (IOW, 2x cleaner WRT CO2). That is true. In addition, all the rest of the pollution is gone. OTOH, if we took coal and converted it into methane using blue gas methodology, AND buried the excess CO2, we would gain a LOT fo elements that we currently have to dig for.
Even now, if we will spend some money on thorium and have cheap higher temp, we can take the old coal ash and pick up HUGE volumes of cheap elements. Fe. Ag. Au. U. Pu. P. Li. Cu. and of course, Pb, as well as Hg. With some of these such as Pb/Hg, we can separate those and put them in different mines and be able to use those when a need comes up.
You continue to lie troll. China's consume more coal each year. I have shown you over and over that only 2 years in the last 30 has coal dropped and that was 2015/2016 when their economy was tanking.
Secondly, china's new coal plants are NOT 2x as efficient. They are less than 1.5x efficient. And the issue is, that they are designed for burning MUCH MORE COAL than what the old plant is. So, quit lying troll.
Nor did I say anything about CHina and Hydro. I spoke about what the successful nations are doing. Troll, you continue to lie about what I say.
The shorters shit 2 weeks ago, not this week. The fact is, that Musk has said too much and the stock is very likely at a local peak for about 6 months. BUT, come another 6-12 months, I think that we will see 400-500 / share. The fact is, that they are getting better and better at their production and more importantly, figuring out how to speed this up by changing car and line designs.
AND if we are lucky, Musk will NOT introduce MY until 1-2 new GFs are set up and new lines are set up for MY. IOW, he really needs to be quiet about this and then introduce it once the production line is moving. There will be PLENTY of buyers.
That is why I have said over and over, that older coal plants can be REPLACED by equivelent coal plants. IOW, the most coal that the new plant can burn is the same as the old one. Ideally, it would be less. The problem is that nations like Germany, Japan, most of Eastern Europe, but esp. China, are adding more coal plants. Not simply replacing old one.
And the absolute best item would be replacing the old coal with lots of wind/solar and much smaller fossil fuel, or even a geo-thermal, nuke, etc. After all, if you look at the successful nations, they are focused on good baseload plants, such as nuke, hydro, and geo-thermal as replacement or simply new ones.
Yes, I expect that ALL nations will quit building new coal plants, if not new fossil fuel plants. And considering that China is NOT a developing nation, but a developed nation, they should not have any leeway. In particular, we need to stop them from building in other nations. That is total BS.
India is moving quickly towards nuke and AE. In fact, they are growing their coal plants at a fraction of the pace of China for this very reason.
China is NOT a developing nation anymore than America was in 1950. China is second world.
More importantly, it is important to get ALL nations to stop adding coal, if not all fossil fuels, plants. If they want to replace one, with one that is cleaner, fine. BUT, the vast majority of what ALL NATIONS are doing, is not replacing, but adding. Yes, that is esp true of China since some 300 GW of their ~700 GW of new coal plants over the next couple of years, goes into other nations of which some do not even have coal. They will get their coal from China.
what a joke.
In what way was Obama a traitor? Did he sell us out to an enemy? Nope. Did he aid/abet an enemy? Nope. Did he try to start a war against America? Nope. Did he engage in a war against America? Nope.
and the treaty is a FUCKING joke.
It will not solve anything since as fast as America drops our emissions, China is adding 2-3x as much. Unless ALL nations are dropping their emissions, this will never work. EVER. At the very least, it requires that nations quit building new coal plants, if not new fossil fuel plants. Yet, China, Germany, Japan, S. Korea, most of Eastern Europe, continue to build new coal plants.
America has stopped with coal and will likely continue to cut our CO2 by cutting coal (way too expensive).
BTW, the report assumes that our EVs continues to grow slowly. Just this year alone, America will leap into #1 position of buying EVs, or just behind China. Why? Tesla model 3.
America IS the second biggest and needs to drop faster. Thankfully, we ARE dropping and I think we will continue to drop, in spite of our having voted in Trump. At least, I certainly hope so.
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martin,
Your gripe about geothermal is that they removed the sludge/minerals off their turbines. I agree that simply washing them off and leaving it around is foolish and stupid. In fact, it is stupid because that is a highly concentrated form of elements. It does contain lead and mercury, but it also contains, li, U, P, Pu, Ag, Th, Au, Fe, Cu, etc. Nearly all of these are regarded as important today. Simple regulations that require that they not throw it away and in fact, perhaps some tax breaks to encourage obtaining the elements from it, would help solve it. I would also suggest that EPA pick a number of old mines and use these for storage of things like Hg and Pb.
Geothermal, esp when re-injected, is as clean as wind.
Seriously, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc have been selling your data for YEARS.
The ONLY one that has not sold off our data (that connects directly/indirectly to us) is Google. Google DOES sell data, but it is aggregated data, it is not individual data. IOW, it can not be used to tie to you.
Actually, geo-thermal is very dispatchable. It can be at full power in seconds.
In addition, all of the new nukes are designed for demand following and can change loads typically from 25-100% in minutes (yeah, it has to be running ).
One of my favorites is NuScale which has some pretty capabilities.
10. Can NuScale’s SMR technology be complementary to Renewables? Yes. NuScale’s SMR technology includes unique capabilities for following electric load requirements as they vary with customer demand and rapid changes experienced with renewable generation sources. There are three means to change power output from a NuScale facility: Dispatchable modules – taking one or more reactors offline over a period of days Power Maneuverability – adjusting reactor power over a period of minutes/hours Turbine Bypass – bypassing turbine steam to the condenser over a period of seconds/minutes/hours NuScale power is working with industry leaders and potential customers to ensure that these capabilities provide the flexibility required by the evolving electric grid. This capability, called NuFollowTM, is unique to NuScale and holds the promise of expanding the deployment of renewables without backup from fossil-fired generating sources, such as natural gas-fired, combined cycle gas turbines (CCGTs).
As to why I wrote this early, was in response to the parent.
Tesla model 3 is doing in 2 weeks what BYD is doing in a month.
No, they do NOT have a long ways to go.
Cumulative for American sales only.
I do have to say that numbers are getting interesting.EC180 sales for the year is at 27279. OTOH, the Model 3 hit 18,305 at the end of may And that does not include the fact that Tesla is now building M3 each week, what BYD sells EACH MONTH. Yes, Tesla is now building 5000 M3 / week, with another 2000 MS/X. So, Tesla is building (i.e. selling) around 20,000 model 3 for a total of 28,000 EVs each month.
If this holds, then they will surpass all car makers later this year.
Actually, long before wave/tidal, we should be doing geo-thermal and nuke. We need dispatchable energy, which wind/solar is not.
Borrowing from a great movie, I do not think that mechanized farming means what you think it means.
But, I would not call mechanized farming (i.e. the use of tractors and equipment) as being a big producer of CO2.
Now, raising cattle will produce lots of CO2, but that is the case no matter if fed via feedlot or pasture(which is what I assume that you think it means). mechanized farming has not been an issue WRT greenies, while our eating of ANY meat has been .
Yes, some ppl have pushed to convert ppl to vegan, but in general, those ppl have other issues/focus. IOW, they do not care about AGW.
If we kept our farming the way it is today, and killed off 100% of fossil fuel electricity AND 100% of transportation's emissions (disregard aircraft, etc), then our emissions would be below 33% of where it is today. IOW, fossil fuel electricity AND passenger/commercial vehicles emissions account for more than 66% of all of our emissions. At that point, the climate should be in decent shape.
Yeah, you are right about AGW's meaning, but so far, Jwhyche has been spot on WRT issues on this. It is obvious that he understands it. He is just not used to seeing these abbreviations. Hell, if I did not have friends that are working on this problem, I likely would not have known.
Yeah, we are pretty much agreement.
America has lowered our CO2 mostly due to switching to nat gas and Wind. However, nat gas is NOT 10x cleaner than coal. When it comes to CO2, it is about 50% of the best coal plant (IOW, 2x cleaner WRT CO2). That is true. In addition, all the rest of the pollution is gone. OTOH, if we took coal and converted it into methane using blue gas methodology, AND buried the excess CO2, we would gain a LOT fo elements that we currently have to dig for.
Even now, if we will spend some money on thorium and have cheap higher temp, we can take the old coal ash and pick up HUGE volumes of cheap elements. Fe. Ag. Au. U. Pu. P. Li. Cu. and of course, Pb, as well as Hg. With some of these such as Pb/Hg, we can separate those and put them in different mines and be able to use those when a need comes up.
You continue to lie troll. China's consume more coal each year. I have shown you over and over that only 2 years in the last 30 has coal dropped and that was 2015/2016 when their economy was tanking.
Secondly, china's new coal plants are NOT 2x as efficient. They are less than 1.5x efficient. And the issue is, that they are designed for burning MUCH MORE COAL than what the old plant is. So, quit lying troll.
Nor did I say anything about CHina and Hydro. I spoke about what the successful nations are doing. Troll, you continue to lie about what I say.
The shorters shit 2 weeks ago, not this week. The fact is, that Musk has said too much and the stock is very likely at a local peak for about 6 months. BUT, come another 6-12 months, I think that we will see 400-500 / share. The fact is, that they are getting better and better at their production and more importantly, figuring out how to speed this up by changing car and line designs.
AND if we are lucky, Musk will NOT introduce MY until 1-2 new GFs are set up and new lines are set up for MY. IOW, he really needs to be quiet about this and then introduce it once the production line is moving. There will be PLENTY of buyers.
actually, I differ with you that it is being greedy. You really should hold it longer.
Currently, Tesla stock is still going down.
That is why I have said over and over, that older coal plants can be REPLACED by equivelent coal plants. IOW, the most coal that the new plant can burn is the same as the old one. Ideally, it would be less. The problem is that nations like Germany, Japan, most of Eastern Europe, but esp. China, are adding more coal plants. Not simply replacing old one.
And the absolute best item would be replacing the old coal with lots of wind/solar and much smaller fossil fuel, or even a geo-thermal, nuke, etc. After all, if you look at the successful nations, they are focused on good baseload plants, such as nuke, hydro, and geo-thermal as replacement or simply new ones.
and yet, America's CO2 has fallen more than any others over the last 10 years.
what does AGW and cutting back on CO2 have to do with mechanized farming? Absolutely NOTHING.
Yes, I expect that ALL nations will quit building new coal plants, if not new fossil fuel plants. And considering that China is NOT a developing nation, but a developed nation, they should not have any leeway. In particular, we need to stop them from building in other nations. That is total BS.
India is moving quickly towards nuke and AE. In fact, they are growing their coal plants at a fraction of the pace of China for this very reason.
China is NOT a developing nation anymore than America was in 1950. China is second world.
More importantly, it is important to get ALL nations to stop adding coal, if not all fossil fuels, plants. If they want to replace one, with one that is cleaner, fine. BUT, the vast majority of what ALL NATIONS are doing, is not replacing, but adding. Yes, that is esp true of China since some 300 GW of their ~700 GW of new coal plants over the next couple of years, goes into other nations of which some do not even have coal. They will get their coal from China.
what a joke.
In what way was Obama a traitor? Did he sell us out to an enemy? Nope. Did he aid/abet an enemy? Nope. Did he try to start a war against America? Nope. Did he engage in a war against America? Nope.
As such, he can NOT be considered a traitor.
and the treaty is a FUCKING joke.
It will not solve anything since as fast as America drops our emissions, China is adding 2-3x as much. Unless ALL nations are dropping their emissions, this will never work. EVER. At the very least, it requires that nations quit building new coal plants, if not new fossil fuel plants. Yet, China, Germany, Japan, S. Korea, most of Eastern Europe, continue to build new coal plants.
America has stopped with coal and will likely continue to cut our CO2 by cutting coal (way too expensive).
BTW, the report assumes that our EVs continues to grow slowly. Just this year alone, America will leap into #1 position of buying EVs, or just behind China. Why? Tesla model 3.
if we are lucky, it will go fast enough that nobody will see them.
Oh looky:
looking up investors and came across this.
America IS the second biggest and needs to drop faster. Thankfully, we ARE dropping and I think we will continue to drop, in spite of our having voted in Trump. At least, I certainly hope so.
In addition, NOTAMs are trivial to deal with. They are available at the airport prior to take-off and even during most commercial flights.