My understanding is that many grids in 3rd world nations have lots of issues with frequency and voltage. My old GF was from Panama and had issues. Other friends and in-laws have come from India, Mexico, and Costa Rica. I have heard over and over about having electrical items burn up/out. OTOH, relatives/friends from Germany, Scotland, SOuth Korea, and Japan have never mentioned having electrical issues.
America's grids survive due to shear size. Basically, you can borrow electricity from another part of the grid while your turbines are ramping up.
Seriously, any of the old coal plants that are being shut down, would be ideal to simply install a heavily insulated salt tank and use it for converting excess electricity to heat and then load following as needed. It could be backed up by nat gas if needed. Nice cheap way to convert old equipment into cheap storage.
skip the solar portion. Just heat the salt with excess electricity and then be able to use the heat to drive steam. However, do note that even in that case, it STILL does not respond as fast as batteries. These guys are making a grid that should actually destroy less electronics on it than anything in America or Europe.
Good point. Still frequencies and voltage DO matter to a number of equipment esp electronics. Battery combined with steam (which is more cheaper to run than turbines) appears to be a decent solution. I just wonder if it is cheaper and cleaner.
Actually, Gas turbines are still too slow for truly handling the frequencies and load following. However, batteries are far too expensive to handle the load for LONG periods of times. The combo of these really does make good sense. As to using steam, yeah, a bit surprised, but they are probably taking a couple of their old systems and using it for that.
Seriously, it would be nice to let a number of simple balloons (use hydrogen; not enough O2 to start a fire with) with camera on some and weather instruments on others.
Walking dude did commit treason, but very likely GOP will make it be less than 10 year sentence followed by early release. Ford, poppa bush, and O set the precidence for such garbage. The worst being O setting Manning free.
The point is in 24 hrs they can launch it again, and at a fraction of what others do. They are on track for being able to launch several times a week next year.
Seriously, this could be interesting. If that is able to run under ground at speeds of say 60-180 MPH, this would make a huge difference in city transportation.
One thing about Musk, is he is changing society for the better.
that is EXACTLY my point. Science Data in a true vacuum is worthless. Once it is looked at and put into proper context with other data, is when it becomes magnificent.
First off, I agree that the far left is being worthless on this. They continue to point fingers at just America, and use worthless normalization. Basically, it is a case of we will go after the one doing 5 knives, not the ones doing 4 knives, 10 knives, or even 30 knives to kill somebody.
Secondly, putting up OCO3 is NOT about policing. It is about KNOWING who is doing what. There is a difference between policing and just getting intelligence. And that is what scientists do. They gather intelligence on all of this.
As to paris accord, it is a joke. As long as we allow ANY nation to continue growing their emissions with new coal plants, we only make things worse. ALL nations need to stop adding fossil fuel plants (that includes America). It is one thing to simply replace old coal plants with new plants, that are smaller in size, and will burn equal or less coal. The problem in places like China is they are replacing OLD coal plants with new ones that are multiple sizes bigger, and will burn 2-5x as much coal. IOW, they are adding to the global problem.
Trump should allow science to continue. To try and kill it off and declare that it is not happening when all of the top scientist say otherwise, is just plain insane. Right now, America will continue to drop CO2 emissions due to economics. Nat gas and wind are now cheaper than coal, so, our old coal plants are being replaced by decently clean energy. However, if Trump goes in and changes the economics such as direct subsidies for coal, as he is talking, we are fucked. We will become no different than China.
Hey, I would piss on a spark plug to restore that. Simple fact is, that we need it for so many reasons and it is one of the CHEAPEST means of getting that data. OCO3 is built and ready to take up to the ISS. It would cost us less 5M, probably less than $1M.
Catching up is not the issue. America is headed in the correct direction. The issue is that nearly all nations are emitting too much. Even Europe at 6.9 is way too much. We need to be down around where greenland, iceland, and costa rica are.
America continues to close coal plants, not build any news ones, and instead, invest mostly into AE (and nat gas plants, which needs to stop). That is why America continues to lower our CO2 emissions while China's, India's, etc continues to grow.
OTOH, The problem is that china, India, etc continues to grow their coal plants faster than AE. In fact, they continue to add more energy from coal plants than from AE. Even Germany, a lot of Eastern Europe, Japan, etc are adding coal plants. We have to stop it.
Science data that is in a vacuum is actually worthless. Imagine science data that is captured and never looked at by anybody or used in any fashion. What is the value in that? Nothing. It is when it is used by ppl to either learn new things, come up with new ideas, or help direct us in new/better directions, that it becomes useful.
Not just for science, but also to keep every nation honest. Right now, lots of nations are lying which is why the CO2 continues to grow faster than what it is supposed to.
why? Paris accord was a joke. It solved NOTHING. Just like Kyoto, which was supposed to slow down growth, it did NOTHING. Until we require ALL NATIONS to drop their CO2 and become more like Greenland/iceland/sweden/costa rica in terms of their CO2 emission, these accords will do NOTHING.
LOL.
U do realize that America has dropped our CO2 as much as Europe has (25% since 1990) while China has gone up 400% over the same time? And it is America that continues to drop our CO2, while Europe has flatlined for nearly 5 years. China had appeared to stall for 201[56] and then rose again last year, and appears to be continuing that rise this year. Do note that China had a MAJOR economic downturn during 201[56] and is back to its previous path.
One of the biggest issues going on with CO2 is that a number of nations are cheating at this. For most of the western nations, we have loads of ground, sky, and space monitoring. However, nations like CHina, block all ground monitoring except for their own. As such, when groups like IEA report on energy usage, or CO2 emissions, they are simply taking numbers from those govs. Yet, when OCO2 went up,
it forced China to admit that they were burning 17% more coal, which interestingly, none of the current figures have been updated with.
Right now, OCO2, along with Japanese GOSAT, can do is show relative numbers and not absolute. What is needed now, is absolute measurements, which OCO3, combined with the other 3 sats can provide.
Keep in mind that China is NOT the only nation cheating. Plenty of others are cheating as well.
The other real possibility, perhaps one that is better, would be to have private funding of multiple sats. If we can get a pass over areas every hour or two, it will show what is really going on.
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Nothing. His boss would be upset that Trump is fighting against his efforts.
My understanding is that many grids in 3rd world nations have lots of issues with frequency and voltage. My old GF was from Panama and had issues. Other friends and in-laws have come from India, Mexico, and Costa Rica. I have heard over and over about having electrical items burn up/out. OTOH, relatives/friends from Germany, Scotland, SOuth Korea, and Japan have never mentioned having electrical issues.
America's grids survive due to shear size. Basically, you can borrow electricity from another part of the grid while your turbines are ramping up.
Seriously, any of the old coal plants that are being shut down, would be ideal to simply install a heavily insulated salt tank and use it for converting excess electricity to heat and then load following as needed. It could be backed up by nat gas if needed. Nice cheap way to convert old equipment into cheap storage.
skip the solar portion. Just heat the salt with excess electricity and then be able to use the heat to drive steam. However, do note that even in that case, it STILL does not respond as fast as batteries. These guys are making a grid that should actually destroy less electronics on it than anything in America or Europe.
Good point. Still frequencies and voltage DO matter to a number of equipment esp electronics. Battery combined with steam (which is more cheaper to run than turbines) appears to be a decent solution. I just wonder if it is cheaper and cleaner.
Actually, Gas turbines are still too slow for truly handling the frequencies and load following. However, batteries are far too expensive to handle the load for LONG periods of times. The combo of these really does make good sense. As to using steam, yeah, a bit surprised, but they are probably taking a couple of their old systems and using it for that.
Seriously, it would be nice to let a number of simple balloons (use hydrogen; not enough O2 to start a fire with) with camera on some and weather instruments on others.
Actually, it is mostly Rp1/lox. Others are using very wicked chemicals.
Walking dude did commit treason, but very likely GOP will make it be less than 10 year sentence followed by early release. Ford, poppa bush, and O set the precidence for such garbage. The worst being O setting Manning free.
The point is in 24 hrs they can launch it again, and at a fraction of what others do. They are on track for being able to launch several times a week next year.
Looks like SX is headed in the right direction. Hopefully, they get Dragon 2 on track and launch crew this year.
Seriously, this could be interesting. If that is able to run under ground at speeds of say 60-180 MPH, this would make a huge difference in city transportation.
One thing about Musk, is he is changing society for the better.
that is EXACTLY my point. Science Data in a true vacuum is worthless. Once it is looked at and put into proper context with other data, is when it becomes magnificent.
If America is not doing anything, that why has our CO2 gone down each year for the last 9 years?
First off, I agree that the far left is being worthless on this. They continue to point fingers at just America, and use worthless normalization. Basically, it is a case of we will go after the one doing 5 knives, not the ones doing 4 knives, 10 knives, or even 30 knives to kill somebody.
Secondly, putting up OCO3 is NOT about policing. It is about KNOWING who is doing what. There is a difference between policing and just getting intelligence. And that is what scientists do. They gather intelligence on all of this.
As to paris accord, it is a joke. As long as we allow ANY nation to continue growing their emissions with new coal plants, we only make things worse. ALL nations need to stop adding fossil fuel plants (that includes America). It is one thing to simply replace old coal plants with new plants, that are smaller in size, and will burn equal or less coal. The problem in places like China is they are replacing OLD coal plants with new ones that are multiple sizes bigger, and will burn 2-5x as much coal. IOW, they are adding to the global problem.
Trump should allow science to continue. To try and kill it off and declare that it is not happening when all of the top scientist say otherwise, is just plain insane. Right now, America will continue to drop CO2 emissions due to economics. Nat gas and wind are now cheaper than coal, so, our old coal plants are being replaced by decently clean energy. However, if Trump goes in and changes the economics such as direct subsidies for coal, as he is talking, we are fucked. We will become no different than China.
Hey, I would piss on a spark plug to restore that. Simple fact is, that we need it for so many reasons and it is one of the CHEAPEST means of getting that data. OCO3 is built and ready to take up to the ISS. It would cost us less 5M, probably less than $1M.
Actually, I wish that he HAD Murray blum helping. It is the kock bros that have been pushing him.
Catching up is not the issue. America is headed in the correct direction. The issue is that nearly all nations are emitting too much.
Even Europe at 6.9 is way too much. We need to be down around where greenland, iceland, and costa rica are.
America continues to close coal plants, not build any news ones, and instead, invest mostly into AE (and nat gas plants, which needs to stop). That is why America continues to lower our CO2 emissions while China's, India's, etc continues to grow. OTOH, The problem is that china, India, etc continues to grow their coal plants faster than AE. In fact, they continue to add more energy from coal plants than from AE. Even Germany, a lot of Eastern Europe, Japan, etc are adding coal plants. We have to stop it.
Science data that is in a vacuum is actually worthless. Imagine science data that is captured and never looked at by anybody or used in any fashion. What is the value in that? Nothing. It is when it is used by ppl to either learn new things, come up with new ideas, or help direct us in new/better directions, that it becomes useful.
I would say good post, but I think it is better to say sad post. You are spot on.
Not just for science, but also to keep every nation honest. Right now, lots of nations are lying which is why the CO2 continues to grow faster than what it is supposed to.
why? Paris accord was a joke. It solved NOTHING. Just like Kyoto, which was supposed to slow down growth, it did NOTHING. Until we require ALL NATIONS to drop their CO2 and become more like Greenland/iceland/sweden/costa rica in terms of their CO2 emission, these accords will do NOTHING.
LOL.
U do realize that America has dropped our CO2 as much as Europe has (25% since 1990) while China has gone up 400% over the same time? And it is America that continues to drop our CO2, while Europe has flatlined for nearly 5 years. China had appeared to stall for 201[56] and then rose again last year, and appears to be continuing that rise this year. Do note that China had a MAJOR economic downturn during 201[56] and is back to its previous path.
that is what would be happening had trump not killed this. However, in order to understand other planets, we need to understand our own, first.
One of the biggest issues going on with CO2 is that a number of nations are cheating at this. For most of the western nations, we have loads of ground, sky, and space monitoring. However, nations like CHina, block all ground monitoring except for their own. As such, when groups like IEA report on energy usage, or CO2 emissions, they are simply taking numbers from those govs. Yet, when OCO2 went up, it forced China to admit that they were burning 17% more coal, which interestingly, none of the current figures have been updated with. Right now, OCO2, along with Japanese GOSAT, can do is show relative numbers and not absolute. What is needed now, is absolute measurements, which OCO3, combined with the other 3 sats can provide.
Keep in mind that China is NOT the only nation cheating. Plenty of others are cheating as well.
The other real possibility, perhaps one that is better, would be to have private funding of multiple sats. If we can get a pass over areas every hour or two, it will show what is really going on.