and I showed you lying in this stuff. you constantly post thing without ANYTHING honest to back you up. Basically, you are a constant liar.
You even lie about me all the time.
You troll under 2 IDs and lie about constantly. U post as AC as well, pretending that it is not you.
You have NEVER thanked me or anybody for correcting you when you are wrong porky.
OTOH, I do regularly though I will never thank a troll that constantly lies.
Per your OWN link, accusing me of RANTING.
This is the one that you pointed to from 2010.
Somebody pointed this out, https://news.slashdot.org/comm...">Vancouver (all of BC) uses no nuke, and no coal (at least not for power). We're about 90% hydroelectric.
To which I replyed
Whoops. Thanx. I think that it was Edumunton that I was thinking of. Basically, it is similar to what We have in Colorado.
So, again, you are a liar.
And I am nearly done answering you permanently.
I will just let you continue to lie and I will ignore you as I should have done. Go away troll. Go back to your masters in China.
that was a rant? Keep lying
Like the rest of my posts, it was pointing to SERIOUS issues that we have and I called out BOTH America and CHina.
In fact, I called out Vancouver, but was thinking of a different area of Canada.
The difference between us, is that I call out ALL nations that are emitting so highly. THat includes America, Germany, etc but that esp china, who is by far the worst.
Depends on which group in china is posting information. However, the federal bureau said 69% in 2015, then admitted that they were 17% UNDER-REPORTING. Others claim 75-80%. However, it does not matter. Chinese gov lies like you do.
C6, you have seen me on here for a LONG time. Never have I had to deal with a troll this bad.
what porky is trying to cover up is that America is at 1/4 of the coal plants of china and ours continues to close up. CHina's emissions have grown 400%, while America's has gone down 25%, all since 1990.
In addition, we put in a mix of AE and nat gas. However, porky seems to think that coal will approach nat gas or AE for least amount of CO2. It is PHYSICALLY impossible for that happen. The worst nat gas electrical plant will still burn cleaner than the best coal plant. So, building out coal makes little sense, esp since CHina can simply tap those coal mines for their nat gas. They choose to not do that because they want to burn ALL OF THEIR COAL. If they do that, even if the entire rest of the globe goes to zero emissions (yeah, right), then we are fucked.
Porky is a troll that posts as Crimson tsumani (or red tide) as well as porky here.
He is CONSTANTLY trolling. I post facts about the energy, esp about CHina's continued growth of Coal/CO2, while he continues to defend it, while claiming that I am ignoring America's emissions. I do nothing of the kind. I have worked on this emissions issue with various groups. I used to know the key players from back in the 90s and 00s. I still have friends that are working these problems and tell me the inside scoop.
WHat it comes down to, is if China continues on their path, we are all fucked. If Trump were to win out, and start to grow our emissions like CHina is doing, we would also be fucked. The fact is, that China had a serious economic issue that actually lowered their emissions. Now, their economy is going again, and their emissions are climbing. Yet, idiots like Porky, continue to lie and push his BS around and make up total shit.
And if you look at Porky/red tides postings you will see that not only are they the same language, but in general post at the same time.
u lie constantly. I hae showed it over and over. FOr example, you lied about the 750 GW vs 700 units.
I have read your other postings. You are a CONSTANT liar, no matter if you are posting as porky, or red tide.
Nice that we have cut them off, BUT, China will retaliate SOON about that. Keep in mind that ZTE was controlled by the CHinese communist party, which is why they were giving out information to other nations.
Chances are good that China will stop rare earth minerals again, BEFORE Japan has started their mining operations. America really needs to remove all critical dependencies from our economy. It is one thing to depend on an alley, but another to depend on somebody like CHina.
Kind of curious. If that is table of co2 plant, how is it that china has co2 coming from announced plants? Or is this just another of your lies where you grabbed a table, changed the header, put in some false values for china and America, and then think that ppl will not notice that you are lying?
Actually, it is not. Total energy is higher in china than America. Not by much though. China continues to build out new coal plants which is increasing their co2.
Yes. That is why they all coal plants need to be stopped. America continues to shut ours down. China needs to do the same. In fact, if they would quit adding new ones that would go a long ways to solving issues.
No, these are BUSINESSES, and several Chinese businesses are being clean. The vast majority are NOT.
OTOH, The western ones are almost all above average for how they handle toxic chemicals which is what that was about.
As to the ORIGINAL conversation that you decided to troll on, it was about ENERGY EMISSIONS. The Carbon intensity of China was 80% more than the wests back then.
BTW, here is another nice map of things. This shows g co2 / kwh. Sadly, not enough is shown, but still useful.
For example, CA, AZ, WA, and NY is where America makes our solar panels. AZ is not on it, but considering that 80% of their electricity comes from nuclear, I would suspect that they are pretty good.
WA is at 30 g / kwh
NY is at 149
CA is at 226
Over in Europe, I believe that the majority of solar is done in Germany, which is at 346 g/kwh
again, you posted BS that was not even close.
That was about Toxic chemicals from 2014, of which the Americans and Europeans are above average, while only a couple of Chinese made that list. The majority of china were below average.
However, the issue here was emissions. building solar cells is energy intensive. As such, what matters is CO2 / kwh. China is one of the worst in the world. Since you picked 2014 for time frame, here is 2013.
china at 711 g/kwh. America at 489, EU at 337 with Germany at 486.
Actually, if done right, these homes for total ownership will costs LESS than homes from back east esp in places like Texas.
These homes will have little to no utility costs for the next 30-40 years. If you are low on money, retired, or simply hate wasting your money, then this will pay off in 10 years or less.
actually, it depends on how they are produced. When you get solar from China, you are getting about 3/4 of the energy into it coming from coal. Pretty dirty.
OTOH, when getting it from America, Germany, or Japan, coal accounts for less than 45% of the energy, and for American, less than 30%. And Solar City will shortly have theirs at less than 10% fossil fueled.
The one question that I have not seen answered is if the solar is being subsidized?
If it is, it is a HORRIBLE mistake to do this.
OTOH, if we are not subsidizing the solar, it will encourage home builders to build out using aerogel windows and geothermal HVAC since these are cheaper than adding lots of solar panel. That will lower the costs of insulation, best possible windows and geothermal hvac, and then it will further lower solar.
wow. I thought that you were an adult, but you must be a kid and still learning english. You suffer from a SERIOUS reading issue.
The links to current articles deal with China adding 200+GW of NEW coal plants and it will involve 700 plants with about 350 in China and 300 outside of china (or vs-versa; go read the mining article). These is what is happening in the NEXT 2 YEARS. Idiot.
HOWEVER, The Chinese FEDERAL GOV plans to add 750 GW of NEW COAL PLANTS BY 2030. It will likely involve ANOTHER 500 or so plants above and beyond the 350 plants that they are allowing to go through right now.
The only liar is yourself because you are apparently incapable of reading.
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No, you have NOT shown any lies. You constantly twist things. Go and fuck yourself porky.
and I showed you lying in this stuff. you constantly post thing without ANYTHING honest to back you up. Basically, you are a constant liar.
You even lie about me all the time. You troll under 2 IDs and lie about constantly. U post as AC as well, pretending that it is not you.
OTOH, I do regularly though I will never thank a troll that constantly lies.
Per your OWN link, accusing me of RANTING. This is the one that you pointed to from 2010.
Somebody pointed this out,
https://news.slashdot.org/comm...">Vancouver (all of BC) uses no nuke, and no coal (at least not for power). We're about 90% hydroelectric.
To which I replyed
Whoops. Thanx. I think that it was Edumunton that I was thinking of. Basically, it is similar to what We have in Colorado.
So, again, you are a liar.
And I am nearly done answering you permanently.
I will just let you continue to lie and I will ignore you as I should have done. Go away troll. Go back to your masters in China.
that was a rant? Keep lying
Like the rest of my posts, it was pointing to SERIOUS issues that we have and I called out BOTH America and CHina.
In fact, I called out Vancouver, but was thinking of a different area of Canada.
The difference between us, is that I call out ALL nations that are emitting so highly. THat includes America, Germany, etc but that esp china, who is by far the worst.
Years? Keep lying.
Japan has not started on the REM mining. Canada and others are already down at 3-4km working just fine. Same equipment will do 5km just fine.
It's getting to the point where /. Is not worth it. It is obvious that there is a concerted effort here to troll here .
Depends on which group in china is posting information. However, the federal bureau said 69% in 2015, then admitted that they were 17% UNDER-REPORTING. Others claim 75-80%. However, it does not matter. Chinese gov lies like you do.
C6, you have seen me on here for a LONG time. Never have I had to deal with a troll this bad.
what porky is trying to cover up is that America is at 1/4 of the coal plants of china and ours continues to close up. CHina's emissions have grown 400%, while America's has gone down 25%, all since 1990.
In addition, we put in a mix of AE and nat gas. However, porky seems to think that coal will approach nat gas or AE for least amount of CO2.
It is PHYSICALLY impossible for that happen. The worst nat gas electrical plant will still burn cleaner than the best coal plant. So, building out coal makes little sense, esp since CHina can simply tap those coal mines for their nat gas. They choose to not do that because they want to burn ALL OF THEIR COAL. If they do that, even if the entire rest of the globe goes to zero emissions (yeah, right), then we are fucked.
Now, if you were porky, you would accuse me of lying and then make up shit without any links. Or pick links that are WAY wrong.
Porky is a troll that posts as Crimson tsumani (or red tide) as well as porky here.
He is CONSTANTLY trolling. I post facts about the energy, esp about CHina's continued growth of Coal/CO2, while he continues to defend it, while claiming that I am ignoring America's emissions. I do nothing of the kind. I have worked on this emissions issue with various groups. I used to know the key players from back in the 90s and 00s. I still have friends that are working these problems and tell me the inside scoop.
WHat it comes down to, is if China continues on their path, we are all fucked. If Trump were to win out, and start to grow our emissions like CHina is doing, we would also be fucked. The fact is, that China had a serious economic issue that actually lowered their emissions. Now, their economy is going again, and their emissions are climbing. Yet, idiots like Porky, continue to lie and push his BS around and make up total shit.
And if you look at Porky/red tides postings you will see that not only are they the same language, but in general post at the same time.
u lie constantly. I hae showed it over and over. FOr example, you lied about the 750 GW vs 700 units.
I have read your other postings. You are a CONSTANT liar, no matter if you are posting as porky, or red tide.
Hopefully, you will focus on doing your own start-ups, honest ones.
Nice that we have cut them off, BUT, China will retaliate SOON about that. Keep in mind that ZTE was controlled by the CHinese communist party, which is why they were giving out information to other nations.
Chances are good that China will stop rare earth minerals again, BEFORE Japan has started their mining operations. America really needs to remove all critical dependencies from our economy. It is one thing to depend on an alley, but another to depend on somebody like CHina.
Kind of curious. If that is table of co2 plant, how is it that china has co2 coming from announced plants? Or is this just another of your lies where you grabbed a table, changed the header, put in some false values for china and America, and then think that ppl will not notice that you are lying?
Actually, it is not. Total energy is higher in china than America. Not by much though. China continues to build out new coal plants which is increasing their co2.
Yes. That is why they all coal plants need to be stopped. America continues to shut ours down. China needs to do the same. In fact, if they would quit adding new ones that would go a long ways to solving issues.
China is NOT at 60%. China, like you, got caught lying about their coal and they still did not bring it up enough to match the CO2 that they emit.
No, these are BUSINESSES, and several Chinese businesses are being clean. The vast majority are NOT.
. That assumes 100% efficiency which is impossible. In addition, add in the fact that coal burns less efficient than nat gas, and the g / MJ go way up on coal.
OTOH, The western ones are almost all above average for how they handle toxic chemicals which is what that was about.
As to the ORIGINAL conversation that you decided to troll on, it was about ENERGY EMISSIONS. The Carbon intensity of China was 80% more than the wests back then.
As to intensity of nat gas vs coal, it is mostly a simple issue.As I have tried to educate you on this, nat gas emits a fraction of coal. Nat gas is 56 g / MJ, while coal is around 98-100
BTW, here is another nice map of things.
This shows g co2 / kwh. Sadly, not enough is shown, but still useful. For example, CA, AZ, WA, and NY is where America makes our solar panels. AZ is not on it, but considering that 80% of their electricity comes from nuclear, I would suspect that they are pretty good.
WA is at 30 g / kwh
NY is at 149
CA is at 226
Over in Europe, I believe that the majority of solar is done in Germany, which is at 346 g/kwh
again, you posted BS that was not even close.
That was about Toxic chemicals from 2014, of which the Americans and Europeans are above average, while only a couple of Chinese made that list. The majority of china were below average.
However, the issue here was emissions. building solar cells is energy intensive. As such, what matters is CO2 / kwh. China is one of the worst in the world. Since you picked 2014 for time frame, here is 2013.
china at 711 g/kwh. America at 489, EU at 337 with Germany at 486.
Actually, if done right, these homes for total ownership will costs LESS than homes from back east esp in places like Texas.
These homes will have little to no utility costs for the next 30-40 years. If you are low on money, retired, or simply hate wasting your money, then this will pay off in 10 years or less.
actually, it depends on how they are produced. When you get solar from China, you are getting about 3/4 of the energy into it coming from coal. Pretty dirty.
OTOH, when getting it from America, Germany, or Japan, coal accounts for less than 45% of the energy, and for American, less than 30%. And Solar City will shortly have theirs at less than 10% fossil fueled.
The one question that I have not seen answered is if the solar is being subsidized?
If it is, it is a HORRIBLE mistake to do this.
OTOH, if we are not subsidizing the solar, it will encourage home builders to build out using aerogel windows and geothermal HVAC since these are cheaper than adding lots of solar panel. That will lower the costs of insulation, best possible windows and geothermal hvac, and then it will further lower solar.
wow. I thought that you were an adult, but you must be a kid and still learning english. You suffer from a SERIOUS reading issue.
The links to current articles deal with China adding 200+GW of NEW coal plants and it will involve 700 plants with about 350 in China and 300 outside of china (or vs-versa; go read the mining article). These is what is happening in the NEXT 2 YEARS. Idiot.
HOWEVER, The Chinese FEDERAL GOV plans to add 750 GW of NEW COAL PLANTS BY 2030. It will likely involve ANOTHER 500 or so plants above and beyond the 350 plants that they are allowing to go through right now.
The only liar is yourself because you are apparently incapable of reading.