Yes, trump has said that he will push coal. However, American utilities are not building any new coal plants AND we are closing them quickly. America is already around 200 GW of coal plant capacity and is expected to be around 150 GW by 2020. The problem is that China continues to add 35-50 get of new coal plants ( not replacements ) AND are converting coal to methane which will generate a great deal more CO2.
So many things wrong with your posting as well as paris agreement. I'm on a phone so will answer this fully later on.
However, China says that they will reduce 'intensity', which is another way to say emissions / $ GDP. 2 ways to reduce this. First is simply lower emissions. This is the honest way. However, with china building 35-50 GW of new coal plants, and not simply replacing old plants like so many claim,ZERO shows it will not happen.
The second is to change the metric from emissions / $GDP to emissions be/$ GDP(ppp). This is what China is arguing for. By lowering their money relative to Dollar, they encourage more factories there without having to worry about emissions. Iow, China is cheating on that one as well.
Then u have ppl like you arguing that China is burning less coal, as well as building fewer plants. China has stopped some coal plants from being built, but those were simply the areas. Iow, it has nothing to do with stopping co2, just where it occurs at. However, China is converting those 'stopped' coal plants to burning methane. Where is the methane coming from? Not natural gas. They are building massive numbers of factories that convert coal => methane. This process is not horrible since it gives u a nice stream of CO2 (i.e. 1/2 of the co2 that coal would have produced ) that can then be buried. What is China doing with it? Dumping to the atmosphere. Iow, they are cleaning up city air, while emitting even more CO2. Finally, China's emissions numbers do NOT match up with OCO2 and Japan's co2 sats measurements. According to them, China's emissions numbers are not only low, but are still increasing. Keep in mind that China is one of a few nations that does not allow outsiders to take measurements, nor allows Chinese scientist to publish those numbers.
Did you know that China is one of the worst nations wrt co2 / $ GDP, while America is in the lower 1/4 for emissions / $ GDP.
This is far more important of a normalization since it is businesses and gov that decide, not u and I.
yes, but china adding 35-50 GW more coal plants EACH year, is not a rounding error, esp since they are not turning on emissions controls on these.
And china's particulates DO hit the arctic ice. They have so much pollution and of course, if flows not only west to east, but also northwords.
Then top that with CHina adding another 100 GW around the globe to other nations.
Likewise, India is adding more.
What needs to happen is it needs to be a combination of nuke, along with AE.
Until we stop adding more coal plants, things will only get worse.
America has stopped adding new coal, while Germany, Poland, S. Korea, and Japan continue to add more coal. Thankfully, these have emissions controls, but it is still doing a lot of damage WRT CO2, lead, mercury, etc.
Wrong again.
When you have small game with all search space, then no AI.
When it is bigger than what computer can do in time, than all you can use is AI.
All games have rules. The more rules, the smaller the search space. Go is much harder for computers than chess due to it's simplicity and ability to set the board size bigger.
China's particle emissions from their coal plants are reaching the arctic and causing faster melting. THis is on top of their massive CO2, lead, mercury, uranium, etc. etc. etc.
Actually, u think 30 is a minimum number of launches. To do more than 30 though, they need tx to come online by mid year.
But their real goal for next year is dragon 2, along with multiple FH.
Your link was last year BEFORE Tesla started importing.
Tesla already said Canada for Cobalt. In fact, they have said that they would not use any nation that has issues,SUCH as CHina and Congo, though they did cut a deal with China for rare earth.
oh hey, interesting link. Sorry, but I did not look at the prior to posting. But, I like that link (cool that it backs me up).
Yeah, it shows that GM, Ford, etc just plain sux for what they are doing to America. The fact that W and O bailed them out is just disgusting. If we are going to bail them out (and yes, we bailed out Ford by giving them 22+ billion loan with no interest and it is STILL NOT PAID OFF), we should have broken them up into multiple small car makers. That way they would turn out to be like Tesla as opposed to what we have now.
No, the model 3 has RADICALLY brought most of it inhouse. That is why I said, model 3. It is supposed to be in the 90s American made.
OTOH, MS/MX are around 50-55% American made, which is JUST ENOUGH to pass NAFTA and nothing more.
LOL.
Why do you dicks continue to lie and just make up bull shit.
This was for 2016:
1) Congo : 66,000 MT.
2) CHina: 7700 MT.
3) Canada: 7300 MT (which provides for Tesla).
4) Russia: 6200 MT.
5) Australia.5100 MT.
6) Zambia 4600 MT
7) Cuba 4200 MT
8) Phillipines 3500 MT
9) Madagascar 3300 MT
10) New Caledonia 3300 MT.
Where is Finland, Norway, and Japan? They are NOT part of it.
And Tesla has said that they get all of their metals from nations that are not controversial (though that was before they struck a deal on rare earth with china).
Nice job trolling. I am guessing that you work for the koch bros?
Musk has not taken federal taxpayer money. He has taken state taxpayer money, but those factories will remain there.
In addition, the model 3 is the MOST American made car going, bar none.
There is nothing from GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc that are more American made. And yet, you continue to troll here, likely on Koch's payroll.
Correct. Patents are free to use. But Tesla, like SX, does not use patents only for IP. They have a large amount of trade secrets related to manufacturing.
I'm guessing this plant will be assembly only.
actually, none of the car makers here have REAL unions, except the original American car makers. Some of the rest have weak unions here , but most do not.
yea, its not like it was in the old west when ppl carried open guns and nobody got killed because the robbers/bad guys would skip those areas.
Oh wait.....
While I agree with you on that last sentence that does not change the fact that China's nuke capabilities will not really come up until around 2025, or later.
America and Europe really need to re-do our nukes. Sadly, our GD GOP is far more interested in their fucking stock, which is plummeting.
This is why ppl like you get into trouble. U obviously do not understand CHinese NOR are you a technical person. Look at the 2 images at the top. U picked the top 1 and declared that it was the amount of energy PRODUCED But that is NOT the case. It is the CAPABILITY. IOW, it is the theoretical ratings of all of their systems. It does not tell you how much electricity came from each source.
The big issue with AE, as I said before, is that the ratings is a MAXIMUM CAPABILITY. So, the 10KW system on top of my roof can produce 10 KW during the daytime. IOW, it technically could produce 99600 KWH (9,960 hrs in a year). But, the reality is that we only have 50% daylight. Right off the bat, the MAX would then be 49,800 KWH. But then that does not include the fact that sun varies over the course of the day. The first couple of hours after sunrise and before sunset are fairly weak. Likewise, add in rain, clouds, snow, etc. along with LIGHT pollution. So, in America, we get around 30-40% electricity from Solar in the BEST CONDITION. In China, due to their pollution, they get less than 25%. And with wind, we get 33-40%, while China gets 15-25% of their ratings. SO, AE's ratings really do not correspond to what they will generate.
Now, look at the second image on there. That IS the amount / source. China is claiming 70%, BUT, just in sept. they came out and admitted that they burned a LOT more coal. 17% more than what they reported. WHy did they do this? Because OCO2 has shown that CHina's CO2 emissions are MUCH MUCH higher than what the CHinese gov admits to. Unlike the west, the CO2 numbers that we use for CHina are based on what Chinese gov claims to consume in coal and oil. Nothing more. So, in 2015, they claim 70% coal, BUT on 2014, China was claiming that coal accounted for 84% of their electricity? Then in Sept 2016, they come along and admit that they have lied and that since 1960, it is 17% more coal???? So, you can bump that 70% up higher to lower 80s. But even then, OCO2 still shows that China's numbers are way higher than what china's gov numbers claim.
Coal generation is NOT capped at 1GW. They are CURRENTLY at 1.2 TW worth of capability. In addition, because their plan STILL counts on adding 35-50 GW EACH YEAR UNTIL 2030, they are expected to cap it at 1.75 TW worth of coal capability. Do note that they have absolutely NO extra capability WRT clean energy. Any extra usage, such as by EVs, will be coal. RIght now, they run their coal at around 60% of their capabilities. They will gladly increase it since they have hit peak oil.
As to your personal hatred of America, whatever. Go live in China, Russia, North Korea, etc. Please, go have a good time.
But claiming that America is polluting the world, is total BS. We emit no mercury of any amount. It is Canada, Australia, Europe India, Russia and esp China that do all that.
SOX/NOx? America emits a fraction of that.
And as has been shown by OCO2, America's emission of CO2 is about right on to what we claim, while Europe's, South Korea, Japan's, China, etc are MUCH HIGHER. And for the last decade, America has dropped the most CO2 emission of all nations.
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Yes, trump has said that he will push coal. However, American utilities are not building any new coal plants AND we are closing them quickly. America is already around 200 GW of coal plant capacity and is expected to be around 150 GW by 2020. The problem is that China continues to add 35-50 get of new coal plants ( not replacements ) AND are converting coal to methane which will generate a great deal more CO2.
So many things wrong with your posting as well as paris agreement. I'm on a phone so will answer this fully later on. However, China says that they will reduce 'intensity', which is another way to say emissions / $ GDP. 2 ways to reduce this. First is simply lower emissions. This is the honest way. However, with china building 35-50 GW of new coal plants, and not simply replacing old plants like so many claim,ZERO shows it will not happen. The second is to change the metric from emissions / $GDP to emissions be/$ GDP(ppp). This is what China is arguing for. By lowering their money relative to Dollar, they encourage more factories there without having to worry about emissions. Iow, China is cheating on that one as well. Then u have ppl like you arguing that China is burning less coal, as well as building fewer plants. China has stopped some coal plants from being built, but those were simply the areas. Iow, it has nothing to do with stopping co2, just where it occurs at. However, China is converting those 'stopped' coal plants to burning methane. Where is the methane coming from? Not natural gas. They are building massive numbers of factories that convert coal => methane. This process is not horrible since it gives u a nice stream of CO2 (i.e. 1/2 of the co2 that coal would have produced ) that can then be buried. What is China doing with it? Dumping to the atmosphere. Iow, they are cleaning up city air, while emitting even more CO2. Finally, China's emissions numbers do NOT match up with OCO2 and Japan's co2 sats measurements. According to them, China's emissions numbers are not only low, but are still increasing. Keep in mind that China is one of a few nations that does not allow outsiders to take measurements, nor allows Chinese scientist to publish those numbers.
Did you know that China is one of the worst nations wrt co2 / $ GDP, while America is in the lower 1/4 for emissions / $ GDP. This is far more important of a normalization since it is businesses and gov that decide, not u and I.
yes, but china adding 35-50 GW more coal plants EACH year, is not a rounding error, esp since they are not turning on emissions controls on these.
And china's particulates DO hit the arctic ice. They have so much pollution and of course, if flows not only west to east, but also northwords. Then top that with CHina adding another 100 GW around the globe to other nations.
Likewise, India is adding more.
What needs to happen is it needs to be a combination of nuke, along with AE.
Until we stop adding more coal plants, things will only get worse.
America has stopped adding new coal, while Germany, Poland, S. Korea, and Japan continue to add more coal. Thankfully, these have emissions controls, but it is still doing a lot of damage WRT CO2, lead, mercury, etc.
Worse yet, all of Google's tech ip will be transferred to China. The current CEO of Google is a true idiot.
Wrong again. When you have small game with all search space, then no AI. When it is bigger than what computer can do in time, than all you can use is AI.
All games have rules. The more rules, the smaller the search space. Go is much harder for computers than chess due to it's simplicity and ability to set the board size bigger.
When the population starts downward, then it will way to late.
That is only true if you buy off on fake news.
OTOH, if you don't, then nope. It is just fake news.
China's particle emissions from their coal plants are reaching the arctic and causing faster melting. THis is on top of their massive CO2, lead, mercury, uranium, etc. etc. etc.
Actually, u think 30 is a minimum number of launches. To do more than 30 though, they need tx to come online by mid year. But their real goal for next year is dragon 2, along with multiple FH.
Your link was last year BEFORE Tesla started importing.
Tesla already said Canada for Cobalt. In fact, they have said that they would not use any nation that has issues,SUCH as CHina and Congo, though they did cut a deal with China for rare earth.
oh hey, interesting link. Sorry, but I did not look at the prior to posting. But, I like that link (cool that it backs me up).
Yeah, it shows that GM, Ford, etc just plain sux for what they are doing to America. The fact that W and O bailed them out is just disgusting. If we are going to bail them out (and yes, we bailed out Ford by giving them 22+ billion loan with no interest and it is STILL NOT PAID OFF), we should have broken them up into multiple small car makers. That way they would turn out to be like Tesla as opposed to what we have now.
No, the model 3 has RADICALLY brought most of it inhouse. That is why I said, model 3. It is supposed to be in the 90s American made.
OTOH, MS/MX are around 50-55% American made, which is JUST ENOUGH to pass NAFTA and nothing more.
LOL.
Why do you dicks continue to lie and just make up bull shit.
This was for 2016: 1) Congo : 66,000 MT.
2) CHina: 7700 MT.
3) Canada: 7300 MT (which provides for Tesla).
4) Russia: 6200 MT.
5) Australia.5100 MT.
6) Zambia 4600 MT
7) Cuba 4200 MT
8) Phillipines 3500 MT
9) Madagascar 3300 MT
10) New Caledonia 3300 MT.
Where is Finland, Norway, and Japan? They are NOT part of it. And Tesla has said that they get all of their metals from nations that are not controversial (though that was before they struck a deal on rare earth with china).
Nice job trolling. I am guessing that you work for the koch bros?
lets see.
Tesla's CObalt is currently coming from Canada, with Idaho starting up as well
Lithium is coming from Northern Mexico, along with Nevada.
Nickel does come from Australia,Indonesia, and Japan, so, those will be imported.
Steel and Aluminum are from all over, including America.
However, these are the RAW materials. As it stands, IIRC, Model 3 is about 93% American made. Corvette, like its speed, does not touch it.,
Musk has not taken federal taxpayer money. He has taken state taxpayer money, but those factories will remain there.
In addition, the model 3 is the MOST American made car going, bar none.
There is nothing from GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc that are more American made. And yet, you continue to troll here, likely on Koch's payroll.
Correct. Patents are free to use. But Tesla, like SX, does not use patents only for IP. They have a large amount of trade secrets related to manufacturing. I'm guessing this plant will be assembly only.
To be solved. It is insane that CONgress/trump will not do their jobs.
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actually, none of the car makers here have REAL unions, except the original American car makers. Some of the rest have weak unions here , but most do not.
yea, its not like it was in the old west when ppl carried open guns and nobody got killed because the robbers/bad guys would skip those areas.
Oh wait.....
While I agree with you on that last sentence that does not change the fact that China's nuke capabilities will not really come up until around 2025, or later.
America and Europe really need to re-do our nukes. Sadly, our GD GOP is far more interested in their fucking stock, which is plummeting.
This is why ppl like you get into trouble. U obviously do not understand CHinese NOR are you a technical person.
Look at the 2 images at the top. U picked the top 1 and declared that it was the amount of energy PRODUCED But that is NOT the case. It is the CAPABILITY. IOW, it is the theoretical ratings of all of their systems. It does not tell you how much electricity came from each source.
The big issue with AE, as I said before, is that the ratings is a MAXIMUM CAPABILITY. So, the 10KW system on top of my roof can produce 10 KW during the daytime. IOW, it technically could produce 99600 KWH (9,960 hrs in a year). But, the reality is that we only have 50% daylight. Right off the bat, the MAX would then be 49,800 KWH. But then that does not include the fact that sun varies over the course of the day. The first couple of hours after sunrise and before sunset are fairly weak. Likewise, add in rain, clouds, snow, etc. along with LIGHT pollution. So, in America, we get around 30-40% electricity from Solar in the BEST CONDITION. In China, due to their pollution, they get less than 25%. And with wind, we get 33-40%, while China gets 15-25% of their ratings. SO, AE's ratings really do not correspond to what they will generate.
Now, look at the second image on there. That IS the amount / source. China is claiming 70%, BUT, just in sept. they came out and admitted that they burned a LOT more coal. 17% more than what they reported. WHy did they do this? Because OCO2 has shown that CHina's CO2 emissions are MUCH MUCH higher than what the CHinese gov admits to. Unlike the west, the CO2 numbers that we use for CHina are based on what Chinese gov claims to consume in coal and oil. Nothing more. So, in 2015, they claim 70% coal, BUT on 2014, China was claiming that coal accounted for 84% of their electricity? Then in Sept 2016, they come along and admit that they have lied and that since 1960, it is 17% more coal???? So, you can bump that 70% up higher to lower 80s. But even then, OCO2 still shows that China's numbers are way higher than what china's gov numbers claim.
Coal generation is NOT capped at 1GW. They are CURRENTLY at 1.2 TW worth of capability. In addition, because their plan STILL counts on adding 35-50 GW EACH YEAR UNTIL 2030, they are expected to cap it at 1.75 TW worth of coal capability. Do note that they have absolutely NO extra capability WRT clean energy. Any extra usage, such as by EVs, will be coal. RIght now, they run their coal at around 60% of their capabilities. They will gladly increase it since they have hit peak oil.
wow. Another idiot who knows NOTHING about this issue, but will speak about it at length.
Here, lets go to the TRIVIAL lies of yours. The Chinese gov, the CHinese oil companies, AND their academia say that they have pretty much hit peak oil and expect it to drop QUICKLY. They have exactly 3 choices which is 1) to militarily fight for ocean bottom that does not belong to them from the nations that I mentioned before, 2) import a lot more, which they are growing their imports, but absolutely do NOT want to do so, and 3) move off oil over to coal with EVs. The later is what the CHinese gov wants.
So, you claim that CHina is burning less coal, that new plants are replacing old one, and that they have turned on all of the pollution controls. Ok. Assume that is true? Then why is pollution getting WORSE, not better? about 85% of China's visible pollution comes from their coal plants and their not using pollution controls. If coal use REALLY dropped, then the air would actually clean up WRT all pollutions. If pollution control was turned on, then visible pollution will drop (regular unseen pollution such as SOx, NOx, etc would continue ). If new plants were replacing the old ones, then again, TOTAL pollution would drop. BUT, that is not the case
for the last couple of year, pollution improved slightly, but that was due to their economy dropping on the industrial side. Now it is picking up as the idiots in Europe try to cozy up to them like they did with Hitler
2016, along with 2017, saw major increases.
And here.
New plants are not being built and what few are simply replacing old ones?
Nope. Only the idiots make such wild claims.
China is the largest builder of new coal plants. Much of that will still go into china, but China continues to push this all over the world, in spite of their claiming to be on-board with paris accord. As was pointed out, Trump talks about restoring coal to America, but the fact is, that unless he gets MAJOR subsidies for coal, which has nearly zero chance of passage, we will not be building anything new. In fact, America's will continue to drop.
As to your personal hatred of America, whatever. Go live in China, Russia, North Korea, etc. Please, go have a good time.
But claiming that America is polluting the world, is total BS. We emit no mercury of any amount. It is Canada, Australia, Europe India, Russia and esp China that do all that.
SOX/NOx? America emits a fraction of that.
And as has been shown by OCO2, America's emission of CO2 is about right on to what we claim, while Europe's, South Korea, Japan's, China, etc are MUCH HIGHER. And for the last decade, America has dropped the most CO2 emission of all nations.