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Tech Companies To Lobby For Immigrant 'Dreamers' To Remain In US (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Nearly two dozen major companies in technology and other industries are planning to launch a coalition to demand legislation that would allow young, illegal immigrants a path to permanent residency, according to documents seen by Reuters. The Coalition for the American Dream intends to ask Congress to pass bipartisan legislation this year that would allow these immigrants, often referred to as "Dreamers," to continue working in the United States, the documents said. Alphabet Inc's Google, Microsoft Corp, Amazon.com Inc, Facebook Inc, Intel Corp, Uber Technologies Inc, IBM Corp, Marriott International Inc and other top U.S. companies are listed as members, one of the documents shows. The push for this legislation comes after President Donald Trump's September decision to allow the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to expire in March. That program, established by former President Barack Obama in 2012, allows approximately 900,000 illegal immigrants to obtain work permits. Some 800 companies signed a letter to Congressional leaders after Trump's decision, calling for legislation protecting Dreamers. That effort was spearheaded by a pro-immigration reform group Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg co-founded in 2013 called FWD.us.
âoeDreamersâ , what a stupid name. Deport their sorry asses and let them complain to their criminal parents for dragging them to US.
Makes sense you would just wait around a country you dont have legal PERMANENT status in and then hold out your hand for someone to fix it. Definitely the kind of people tech leaders need working for then..
Illegal aliens are illegals, because they have broken the laws
Those who have broken the laws are criminals
We should not allow a group of criminals off the hook, just because they belong to a certain ethnicity
Because if we do that, it would be unfair to people of other ethnicities
most of these are known for treating people like shit, aren't they?
It ain't about you.
It's about the 1% screwing you.
Just endorse and enact an effective solution to prevent others following them here illegally and then Dreamers can stay.
So far all trump has done is said that âoewe will follow and enforce the law as writtenâ. Even the wall was already gefislated, but in the mid 2000s it was called a fence.
IF the liberals feel so strongly that the immegration laws as they stand are terrible, why did they not change things when they had a president for 8 years and a hold on the senate for much of that time, including 2 years where they owned the house too!
That's where I get into arguments with my Berkeley, CA family members.
To work in companies, the illegals use other people's Social Security numbers, they will then files taxes to get their refunds, Child Tax credit, Earned Income Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit, and education credits, and what have you.
The poor bastard whose Social Security they used gets a letter stating that "they have already filed taxes" and we get that mess.
But wait! There's more!
See, since the illegal alien is running around with that person's SSN - even if they DON'T get credit - there are many other businesses that use it for background checks, governments who use it, and so forth.
So, when the American goes for a mortgage or student loan or whatever, their identity is flagged. Uh, you're here in Virginia but there's all this activity in California. This doesn't look right. DECLINED.
And it's up to the American to sort it out - including all the costs.
Solution? Immigration reform.
That is a fun way to spell illegal immigrants.
Translation: We want labor savings and couldn't care less about your dreams
We'll make great pets
Most of the so-called "dreamers" are now no longer legally children; the vast majority are over 18.
My dad immigrated to the US legally in 1965, he was drafted to fight in Vietnam and did so. He earned the right to be here. I'm all for immigration if you come here legally. It's not always easy, but it's doable. My dad went from coming here with the equivalent of $20 in his pocket to retiring an E9, to getting a Masters in Avionics and designing systems for a large aviation firm. He's never lost sight of where he came from.
This shows how much respect Google, Intel and Microsoft have for the law. This is hardly news since those three companies have been fined billions for antitrust violations. It seems they believe themselves to be above the law. Maybe we should just forget the democratically elected government and have them run the country. Come to think of it, to a large extent they already do run the country through their lobbyists.
I think this news clearly shows how society has gone to hell on multiple levels.
Are you one of these "good, decent, caring human beings"? I only ask because you certainly don't fit my idea of a "good, decent, caring human being"
Add to the bill a requirement that tech companies stop collecting all sorts of personal information on us and prevent them from selling it to third parties. Let's clean up the entire problem.
I see that yard sign in the host community of a major public university.
I take it you do not share this sentiment?
This is the Trump administration they are dealing with, they should do moves Trump can understand and make plans to move their offices. Also the sentiment of a significant portion of the US population is clear. I am sure all those employees are going to be a lot happier in a more accommodating culture.
My cynicism meter went to 11 when I saw a headline about large tech companies banding together ostensibly for the benefit of illeg... errr, "Dreamers".
My first reaction was, "How do they benefit financially with the status quo?" But then I realized this question is of secondary significance. The primary question is, "How does this help distract from the importing of illegal labor via H1-B's?" And then pieces fell into place.
You call people scum just because they want to uphold the law?
>> some day, good, decent, caring human beings will have had enough of you...where cockroaches like you belong
Newsflash: Good, decent caring human beings neither condone breaking the law or personally insult others just for their opinions.
Your attitude of encouraging people to become illegals, to repeatedly and systematically break the law as a lifestyle, then expect to be rewarded for it is wrong and bad for society on multiple levels, as is your whole "self-appointed moral highground" tactic.
Did anyone say that every one of them will be deported? Just asking...
And every step of the way, starting in the 1840's with the Know Nothing Party, the workers who were already here protested the arrival of waves of newcomers, saying that they were coming to take their jobs. And that the new immigrants were largely criminals and ill-behaved layabouts who pledged allegiance to a foreign power.
Oh, but that's different, ppl say today. No, not in ways that mattered. It's really the same. Go back and study US history.
Those lawns in Palo Alto aren't going to mow themselves.
Off the top of my head tech companies have supported H1B's, illegal immigrants, mass migration, code camps, public education training and significant efforts to inspire girls to become women who code for decades.
These efforts have nothing to do with altruism, in fact they are driven entirely by self centered greed. The more they can increase the labor supply the lower the cost for their primary expense - labor. These companies should start being called out for their charades and their greedy ways exposed for what they are.
Wages in tech have been stagnant or declining for many years due to these efforts. It's time to tie H1B visas to sustained wage increases. If there truly is a shortage of workers than wages will rise accordingly. Keep it simple, in order for an H1B visa to be issued for a job in a region, that region must show an increase in wages of at least 10% over the course of a year.
Posted anonymously so I don't get blacklisted in the industry
These are simply people who are stupid and negligent. They had many years to file their permanent residence applications. Obama gave them an extra two years and they still did nothing. They opted to ignore the immigration process for years and years. Now they want everybody else to feel sorry for them.
To be solved. It is insane that CONgress/trump will not do their jobs.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
This idea that mediocre white people would have great tech jobs if only we didn't import people from overseas is incorrect.
As a note, why should these people hop in front of all the other people that are legally trying to get into the US? Are we going to penalize those who followed the laws?
90% of the illegals crossing into the USA are doing so because it is so easy to get a job in the USA. In the Bay area, every morning at 4am you will see school buses (likely the same ones that take your kids to school 2 hours later), busing in workers to do yard work, cleaning and other manual labor. They aren't getting paid minimum wage, they all seem to look a bit Latino and aren't speaking English. hmm. The USA's laws about illegal migrants are not about keeping them out, it is about keeping their wages down and making sure they don't use any government services. If the USA wanted to end 90% of the illegal migrants they could just grant the migrants the right to a $30/hr wage and then enforce it by going after the employers. It would solve the illegal migrant problem over night. It would be total chaos for months as businesses that relied on $2/hr wages collapsed but most of those companies are total leaches anyway (I'm talking about the high water usage farming in the California in particular).
Your post would be pretty racist, if you weren't a self hating white person desperately virtue signalling yourself.
And while they are at it, the corporate criminals who hired illegals should be put in jail, accordingly.
There was a big damn lawsuit in progress over whether the administrative-only approach to granting a right to work (and SSN) to the illegal immigrants known as dreamers.
You're 'not true' claim might be just as much BS as the Confederate states claim that they were eligible to secede from the Union. They sure acted like they were eligible but in the end it was confirmed that they never were.
My great grandfather came to this country from Canada via Germany LEGALLY! I have his original naturalization papers to PROVE IT! My family did it legally - THEY need to as well!
In my mind - KICK THEIR BUTTS OUT!
If you go to Mexico Illegally - you get thrown in a Mexican JAIL! They don't give you a free ride, they don't have anyone there saying "oh we should give them a path to citizenship". Mexico has been doing the EXACT same things we are on THEIR southern border to stop illegals from South America coming into their country.
Why don't the Liberal/Progressives in this country go shake their fists and yell and scream in Mexico over the same stuff? I'll tell you why - they would end up in a Mexican jail, or with their heads chipped off by a machete, or shot in the head. They are nothing but loud mouth wusses!!
It is a FEDERAL offense to be in this country illegally - I don't care WHAT country you are from! It's a CRIME! If I rob a bank, that's a FEDERAL crime, I will go to JAIL! They should be sent packing back to whatever country they are here illegally from - PERIOD - End of story!
The Truth is a Virus!!!
be human, and fucking pay the people that actually do the work in your company according to their value. you may outsource (or looking for cheap labour, ie. non-id immigrants), but that won't save your "business". treating these beings as humans, like paying them enough to entertain a house, a spouse and children, shouldn't be putting too much of a dent into your account.
Funny how all the people progressives call "good, decent, caring human beings" are hell bent on stealing the fruits of other's labor in order to give to those who don't produce. A willingness to advocate for physical violence against those who don't agree with their ideals is also a common trait. Foul-mouthed hatred seems pretty common as well.
Yes, "good, decent, and caring" indeed...
I thought they weren't here to take our jobs.
to indebt yourself up over your head for the privilege of making ends meet. Until you get the mandatory cancer and die prematurely, as one does in America in the 21st century.
Oh, did it result in a court ruling that granting social security numbers was not legal? Do you have a citation?
That is a fun way to spell retarded vatnik shitposter.
No, you dumb fuck. Good, decent people know the law has nothing to do with whether an act is moral, good, or decent. Appealing to the law as the ultimate arbiter if moral good is something only shitty assholes do. Like you.
The left will not listen to arguments against open borders and the welfare state - it doesn't matter how many facts and statistics you've got on your side. In the mind of a leftist listening is losing and certain thoughts cannot be entertained. I'm done talking to you and I'm done listening to you, all you see is a white male and you have decided that I am a monster - fine. I'm embracing racism, sexism, fascism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, antisemitism, milk, frogs, the flag, Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Mel Gibson - I'll embrace it all - I'll vote for the most radical politicians I can and if voting doesn't work then I'll do whatever it takes to ensure a future for the identity you've forced me to adopt, my special interest, the white American male. Buckle up, buckaroos.
Yes, when I came to the USA I was that 20-something year old dreamer. I dreamed of a safe country to raise my children, educate them and give them an equal opportunity to find employment, without being fifth in line for any job opening, enforced by the laws of my home country. I applied for a Green Card in the USA and eventually got one. I relocated to the USA and the dreamer that came to North America all those years ago, with only $300 in his pocket and a wife who could not speak even a word of English, has raised his kids, educated them, provided them a safe place to live and countless other needs and comforts.
I have never broken the law here in the USA. I would never dream of repaying the kindness shown me by the American people and the generosity of it's government in letting me live here by disrespecting its Constitution, Laws or People by breaking its laws or disrespecting any part of its national identity. I am a naturalized citizen now - I'm American by choice, not birthright - and it would never cross my mind to disrespect this country that has given me so much. I don't break her laws, disrespect her flag or anthem and, with all her faults, ailments and imperfections, am ever grateful for the opportunity and privilege she gave me.
I immigrated legally, was patient and determined and never, ever expected anyone to hand me anything on a plate for any reason, least of all because I "dreamed" it. The USA is still the land of opportunity and having been so blessed myself would not deny it to anyone. However, it is not an entitlement. Earn it, and start by following her rules. May all you other dreamers realize your dream, as did I, in this great nation, and have the patience to do so earnestly.
Well, you need a birth certificate, marriage certificate, or permanent resident card showing proof of residency to be eligible to enroll or change a name, so does that require a court case or maybe just read the law and CFR?
Oh for fuck's sake, enough with the bullshit. The richest people in america are not the richest because they worked so much harder than everybody else. They are the richest either because they inherited their fortune from mommy and daddy, they made their money through "investing" i.e. with the work of others, or are criminal scum. Period.
Dreamers don't "steal the fruits of other's labor". The vast majority of them have jobs, families. More republitard propaganda bullshit.
As for advocating physical violence. Last I checked, right-wing white supremacists, KKK, paramilitary, "preppers", those who collect guns like women collect shoes, and those who drive their cars into a crowd are all fucking conservatives. So fuck you, miserable confederate inbread filth, fuck you.
We may be foul-mouthed, but at leat we're not fucking hypocrites with the bible in our hand and an AK-47 behind our back.
Using a gov service?
Show your full US photo ID. Prove citizenship before all the "free" tax payer funded city, sate and federal services and support is given.
That simple step would have made interacting with every part of the US gov at a city, state and federal level much more difficult for illegal migrants.
An illegal migrant would have had for buy, share, create fake more documents that should have been detected over decades. Finding such documents in use would have been easy with interconnected city, sate and federal databases.
Want more US government support? A deeper search is done to ensure the US citizen is really a US citizen.
What could have been done to support the US need for skilled seasonal workers?
Needed guest workers? Create a system that counts every legal and documented worker into and out of the USA. US production lines get all the documented workers with skills they need but all the workers go back to their own nations again.
A good wage is protected by US law and every guest worker is protected. The guest worker gets paid a full US wage, the US gets work done. The US knows exactly who it is letting into the USA and for how long.
Health of the guest worker is documented, their past in their own nation can be reviewed before entering the USA.
The guest worker brings their skills to the USA legally and is paid in full for their work.
Using illegal migrants for work? The US gov should have stopped that decades ago. If a farm or company needed skilled workers, deport the illegals and show the employer who easy it is to bring in fully documented short term guest workers.
Pay the legal and documented guest workers full US union wages. That would ensure US citizens and guest workers would have equal standing for the same job and work done.
What can the US do now?
The best way out of this is to offer a legal guest worker system to totally take away any illegal migrants ability to work in the USA.
No citizenship for any next generation of guest workers when working in the USA. The citizenship of the nation of parent/s origin is used, no more winning US support for the next generation.
Interconnection all US city, state, federal, boroughs, parish databases, records to find fake, created and shared social security numbers, names, documents.
Start looking for every reused, fake or created number, document at a city to federal level.
Do the same for educational, tax, gov, mil, health care, private sector databases. Ensure that any public/private/charity services are only been used by people who are in the USA legally.
Interview US gov staff to find out why the US gov allowed such fake data to get used and stay in the US gov databases without question, reporting.
Offer funding and support to US gov workers to share, track and report any data sets they find that are not correct.
Upgrade networks, databases, use contractors, find skilled experts to share and re sort every digital file that has worker and citizenship data.
Then scan and/or enter paper records at a city to federal level. See if any data sets are reused or have been stolen to support decades of fake ID's in the USA.
Look for randomly created, old social security numbers, bank accounts, educational records that have no surrounding supporting US documents.
Try face recognition on all images the US gov can find, buy from the private sector, had submitted.
Help the parts of the USA that need guest workers. Find out why and how the US gov allowed so many fake, reused or created citizenship related "documents" to stay in use and be legally accepted for decades.
Work with US gov workers to create a better detection system for any fake or reused US documents at any level of the US gov/mil/private sector.
Over time the US gets the best skilled guest workers. The guest workers get a real wage. When the work is done the guest workers return home.
Want to live in the USA and become a citizen? Apply for that like any other normal nation.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
In general, government actors (such as the President) are only empowered to do what the law specifically allows them to do. On the other hand, generally non-government actors are allowed to do anything that the law does not prohibit them from doing.
The Executive Branch didn't have the power under the Constitution OR under statutory law to create the DACA program.
Since DACA is being eliminated under Trump, the legality question will probably never reach the Supreme Court for a decision -- however that is NOT evidence that it was legal, just that it will be moot by the time SCOTUS would weigh in on it.
Tech companies never met an immigrant they don't like because more supply of workers means you can pay them less. If there were fewer workers then you would have to pay them more. If you've already made your money you benefit from having tons of surplus labor around.
"We have an economy that cannot function without more immigrant labor than our immigration laws allow. In the agricultural sector alone, the number of undocumented workers needed to bring in harvests is over three times the legal limit for total immigration to the US. Does that make any sense? If you could wave a magic wand and deport them all, one of the first effects the average American would feel is a dramatic increase in food prices."
There are many people who would be happy to make robots to do agricultural labor. Examples:
https://www.intorobotics.com/3...
That agricultural robots have taken so long to develop is due in part to not enforcing immigration laws.
I was very interested in making agricultural robots in the 1980s (having liked the movie Silent Running) -- but there was not a lot of funding for it, likely due to cheap illegal labor.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
They sure acted like they were eligible but in the end it was confirmed that they never were.
Not exactly true. In the end, they lost a war so they weren't allowed to secede. If they had won the war, they would have been allowed. The legality was entirely decided by war, not by any judicial system.
It's not that much different from the American Revolution. Did the colonies have the right to declare independence from England? One side says yes, the other no, and a war decided the question, but differently in that case.
So I think your comparison to this Dreamer issue is completely invalid: there's pretty much no possibility that this legal question will be decided by a war. It'll be decided in court, by a judge or judges.
No, you dumb fuck. Good, decent people know the law has nothing to do with whether an act is moral, good, or decent. Appealing to the law as the ultimate arbiter if moral good is something only shitty assholes do. Like you.
If only we could appoint you supreme ruler of the US and you could personally decide what is right or wrong. You're as silly as the Antifa crowd beating people in the name of suppressing their own type of behavior.
Each person who crossed the border or overstayed a visa or was below the age of majority and whose parents did the same on their behalf has their unique personal story and life circumstances. Each one of them has a personal need to remain in the U.S. (and I take it they are all fluent in English and are not speaking a language of their birth country?) To issue a blanket dismissal of such concerns and not look to the needs to persons among us is indeed not who we are as a country.
Well good. Especially since many people under those circumstances are here, raised and indoctrinated in our shared American since early childhood. They are here because immigration laws were not adequately enforced, creating de facto Open Borders.
OK then, we offer work permits and legitimate Social Security Numbers and amnesty to those here under those circumstances. And going forward, we more sincerely enforce immigration laws so future generations of children do not end up in the same vexing circumstances, whether that enforcement take the form of a Border Wall (more like a more secure border fence), E-verify of citizenship or work-permit immigrant status or whatever.
The optics of this I am seeing is "DACA/Dreamer yes, Wall no!" I see the House Minority Leader meeting with the Administration to work out a "deal" combining an amnesty of this segment of the undocumented population with some manner of improved enforcement and then turn around to a political rally and demand a "clean" DACA/DREAM bill (amnesty with no enforcement).
So a DACA/DREAM bill is existentially and essential but Mr. Trump's Wall is an insult? Go ahead, block the Wall as a matter of honor that one's heritage and national origin is insulted by the mere thought of such a thing, but demand (a partial) immigration amnesty? Why not, if you have the political power demand DACA Yes, Wall no? No deals!
Where does that leave the DACA people according to the current political climate -- no legal status and no Wall? If you are going to agree to that to not be insulted and dishonored by the Wall, then is that status of the DACA people really that existential that they are employed as political pawns in standing up to Mr. Trump? Is that what you want?
How about this arrangement. People come here legally and not legally from Mexico and many other countries, so what is so special about Mexico? For starters, Mexico is our next-door neighbor, so there is a basis for making an exception.
As president of Mexico, Vincente Fox expressed a vision that Canada-U.S.-Mexico through NAFTA could be a North American version of the EU, not only free trade but also free migration of people. He expressed the hope that through NAFTA and future agreements that the economy of Mexico could develop to the point that free migration was tenable, and he pointed to how Spain improved economically to become closer to the level of Germany to allow visa-free movement of people between Spain and Germany. I heard such a thing when Mr. Fox was interviewed on of the U.S. Sunday Interview programs.
We have such free migration of people between the individual states in the United States because Federalism. The states can do what they want, up to a point, but the Federal government does a lot, for example, to harmonize social welfare programs between the states so there is not a stampede of the destitute of Chicago migrating to Wisconsin.
Do we get to impose conditions on Mexico to "get their act together" to allow a free and open shared border between us, or is that too much like that "insult and honor" thing or too much like the history of Texas? Does the U.S. get to scold Mexico the way Germany and EU HQ in Brussels does of, say, Greece?
Just asking.
Speaking as the child of refugee immigrants, I can speak to at least one immigrant community, whose Fourth of July gathering was conducted in a language of which I understood not one word (Mom was grew up as an ethnic minority to that community in the Old Country that spoke a different language -- Dad grew up as an ethnic minority speaking the language in a different community in the Old Country).
I didn't understand anything said, but a lot of American flags were waved. I am not requiring anyone to wave an American flag or not to wave a Mexican flag, but waving an American flag -- I was raised here, I speak English and not a word of the language from the Old Country (like me), I am culturally American and you want to send me where? -- waving the American flag could elicit a great deal more sympathy.
If anything, it would make one's narrative a good deal more concordant?
You are forgetting that W advanced a Comprehensive Immigration Reform -- I remember his Oval Office speech advancing his case to the American people as if it were yesterday. It lit up the telephone switchboards of the rightwing nuthouse (U.S. House of Representatives) of which you speak.
You are forgetting that on News for Nerds that a whole lot of nerds here are under the impression that their careers got sidetracked and that they are working as Wal-Mart greeters on account of H1B, outsourcing, etc. from the very corporate organizations that are pleading for the DACA people.
What are the corporations pleading for the DACA people offering by way of a "deal"? Documenting the DACA people by statute and then restricting H1B? Outsourcing? Or is it a "Clean DACA bill"? There is no "deal." Deals are morally corrupt? Do what we demand because the people wanting something in return (like every other person commenting on Slashdot) are nutcases?
It can't die quickly enough IMHO.
What we are quickly finding out is that these Globalists like Google/Facebook/AMAZON don't owe alliegence to any culture or country, they only owe alliegence to themselves and at the cost of footing the bill to everyone else.
I am specifically targeting the board members and CEO's of these companies of course and the unseen shadow banking system behind them that created this giant squidlike beast called GLOBALISM.
As such, they operate without any moral or legal code to bind them.
So they just ignore laws regarding taxes, immigration while we get to pick up the tab.
Globalism=A GIANT Political System to enable the concentration of wealth to a few individuals at the top, using criminal activities to bypass borders, antitrust laws and so that once in place such a system can never be changed.
Tyranny in even its worst forms throughtout human history pales in comparison to the reach of GLOBALISM.
Roses are red;
Obamas not black
If you're not legal;
You have to go back
You are saying what a lot of people are saying, that a cohort of people are living in the United States, brought here has infants or very small children, speaking only English and they really don't have a home country apart from the United States. You are strongly suggesting that these circumstances demand a legislative solution given that President Trump will no longer continue President Obama's Executive Order.
I am saying that if a person is in violation of immigration laws because their parents or someone else violated those laws, grant that person some type of immigration amnesty but strengthen enforcement going forward that successive generations of children without "agency" are not put in the same position. I agree with what you are saying, I advocate giving legislative relief to the persons you describe, and I say that legislation should be combined with enforcement against putting the next generation in that position.
I gather that you are taking offense that I am equating your position with Yes DACA, No Wall? Yes, you never said that you were against an enforcement provision to a law helping persons already here? Everyone else who is demanding action on DACA on account of that heart-wrenching personal stories, however, is demanding a "clean DACA bill."
I hereby stand corrected and apologize to the extent that I have been critical of your remark, being that you at least tacitly and silently do not have difficulty with combining a DACA bill with immigration-law enforcement?
Capitol crimes imply capitol punishment. So with arrogant actions of traitorous biz-nazis. When citizens gub'mnt will not punish ... but rather pimps the evil ... then yeomanry vigilance aspires to quick, harsh justice. Justice painfully extracted against each and several trans-national elements ... their leaders, investors and prime functionaries. A kultural mess as eviscerating as it will be bloody-handed. You can see yeoman vengeance pre-shadowed, by decades-long random acts of Bantu wilding & Muzzi-wog poly-terror. Really these , but pale premonitions of Dresden-like future events; any student of history will tell you that. Nobody butchers like a white man butchers his enemies. Count on it. You need a postcard palsy ?
Any Mexican has the moral right to live and work in any American State that was forcibly taken from Mexico: California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Utah.
Companies are all about one thing, making their stock value go up. The easiest way for them to do that is to use cheaper labor, or should I say people who are willing to work for less. Of course they claim it is something they are trying to do for society. Just like every company claiming to go green and doing so, it allows them to sell their product for more money as there are so many customers that are green conscious.Do they give a crap about the environment? Absolutely not, its about making more money.
Life is in a state of dynamic equilibrium, it both blows and sucks
Reminds me of a scene from the mini-series 'Shogun':
Toranaga: “[Another person] says that the Netherlands were vassals of the Spanish king until just a few years ago. Is that true?”
Blackthorne: “Yes.”
Toranaga: “Therefore, the Netherlands – your allies – are in a state of rebellion against their lawful king?”
Blackthorne: “They’re fighting against the Spaniard, yes, but – ”
Toranaga: “Isn’t that rebellion? Yes or no?”
Blackthorne: “Yes. But there are mitigating circumstances. Serious miti- ”
Toranaga: “There are no ‘mitigating circumstances’ when it comes to rebellion against a sovereign lord!”
Blackthorne: “Unless you win.”
Toranaga (Looked at him intently. Then laughed uproariously.): “Yes, Mister Foreigneryou have named the one mitigating factor.”
Who are white "americans" of European descent to decide who should not be allowed in. The US was founded on the back of the ethnic cleansing of native Americans and black slavery. There is no moral high ground. You're only there because of terrible attrocities which were commited against innocent people who were there long before you.
You're missing the point; the question was not the legality of DACA itself, but whether people who qualified under DACA could legally be provided social security numbers.