Additionally, The GPL is a legal guideline, not an ethical guideline. So while the GPL does protect Project A's right to aquire code from Project B, It has nothing to do with the Ethical ramifications of that action.
A large part of Ethics is RESPECT. And doing what is right. And for those who say its still ok. then I ask you; If MegaTechCo. decides to fire 3/4ths of its IT staff the night before christmas, ship those jobs off to Turkinistanbul and give the Higher Ups a $2million Bonus. Is it
A) Legal
or
B) Ethical
Are they two differnt things now?
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See it all makes sense when you pull your head out of your @$$
I rememeber when me and my other personalities were doing a program for class, and due to internal politics, the code got forked. well long story short, I turned in thier code, and they got mad, and I was like "whatever, whatever I do what I want"
But seriously, code forks, and splits are tricky things. especailly if its not an amicable one. In this situation, even though it is allowed by the Liscense, maybe the best course of actions is to abide by the wishes of the other party. I doubt that this is the first time, that this has happened in open source, and will not be the last. When you have a lot of talented people working on identical projects, in competition, with open doors to whats under the hood, people will look.
thusly it is probably in the best interest of both projects to keep out of each other's kitchens as it were. This provides both the incentive of boosted competition, and also the added benefit of better inovation. becasuse as long as you are copying, your code is not evolving.
So somehow we now believe that omnivore/carnivore/eschelon cannot be somehow modified to snoop into chat rooms, MUDS, MMORPGs, Slashdot Comments, or anything else?
Come on people! If its electronic and not encrypted, then its wide open!.
but could you imagine all the false positives from snooping in games?
PC1: alright, so we attack at dawn!
PC2: Exactly, you guys blow up the market place and create general panic, while we go in and take over the base.
National Security Administration lackey: Umm, I think we have something here!
I've had these from Italy for years now. even though they are little more than a shots worth of coffee (or hot cocoa [whats your fancy]) they taste like crap, and burn your hand if you are not careful. but its coffee on the go. for my money I'll stick to the Shower Shock and RockStar
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Jasmine tea... it will help you sleep, just add some lime and a little time. the caffeine cannot resist.
Wow! I must have been really REALLY high, I've had to update a lot of my knowledge within the past 24 hours. I'd somehow gotten under the impression that Linspire was availible as source and thus could be made free. But after a few minutes of early morning putting around the site... I see no free source or binary downloads... well, knowledge updated.
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There was a sig here once
Cyrix was meant as a joke. Just let it go man let it go. I did RTFA, but I still feel the need to be paranoid and xenophobic, especailly about a HUGE corporation, and its interest in OSS, you hear that IBM, I've got my foil hat ready for you.
I have reservations about walmart doing anything. Though it would be nice to see linux hit the open market in mid-west america in a ready packaged, boot and go format,I have a sneaking suspicion that plenty of these systems will end up with pirated versions of XP or other MS tripe on them.
Still one has to wonder what kind of quality is put into this sub $500 laptop. I mean once OS cost drops near $0 it should become clear that the production (and ultimaty retail) costs go to hardware. This is walmart! so one must ask how much of the $500 is profit margin? 10, 15, 20, 50%?
I for one would be very suspicious of the specs and quality of the parts. Because, lets face it, who needs a system with refurbished harddrives and Brand X ram that go up in smoke after 2 months?... hell, maybe they will run Cyrix.
IM
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I am what most people would consider a highly trained technical professional. as I possess most of the qualifications that you claim, and then some (A+, Cisco, and RedHat) I've had my certicifations since 1999, and have since maintainted their currency. I am also a graduating senior in Computer Science. I understand full well that I will be unhireable at the time of my graduation.
I will be the first to say that OSS has some shortcoming (especailly when it comes to UI), But I will also say that I will support OSS until the day that I die. As someone who free-lances computer repair, I know the problems that Windows incurs just through everyday useage. AND I know that the patch and repair cycle on closed source software is too slow. Personally I use linux on all of my systems, including my micro cluster and DEC alpha Workstation. the only exception to this is my palm top which was a gift from my beloved mother.
Now to address your points. Linux is not, I repeat, NOT slower than windows when it comes to serving files, its all in the setup and configuration. If both OSes were tweaked to the hilt, the advantage would go to linux (especially if it is a compiled from source distro). Also there is the small matter of which webserver one uses on linux, there are a plethora and more coming, each inovating and unique, some with more focused on speed and others more focused on security and flare.
Additionally, even if IIS were "faster" and "more efficent per $" when it works, how do you account for the inheirent instabilities in IIS that create more down time... so how much does the down time cost? and where is that factored into your "100% FACTS"?
Cutting corners is where microsoft makes mistakes. If a few extra steps in installation ensures that my bank account numbers is not in the hands of "the terrorists" when the box goes live, then that makes a fair trade off.
And if constant re-installation for linux were an issue, then maybe, the installation time should be something to be factored in. but lets face it, linux boxes RARELY if ever need to be restarted or re-installed.
As for GIMP, I've been using the program for a while, and like most OSS, I had to MAKE myself use it at first... because pirated photoshop was all I was used to. But as I used it more and got a better feel for it... the more I liked it...(If windows had multiple desktops, I'd like it more).
There is also the final question, of how cross platform compatible are closed source alternatives? Not Very! Like Gaim, Gimp, Apache, and many others, I can if nessesary, set up a simular enviroment where ever I happen to find myself. and usually quickly too.
Is this because the source itself is somehow better? Nope, its the people that are better. The dedicated thousands of people who push OSS, write, review, test and compile the code. Doing it not because they had to drag thier asses to work today and fill out TPS reports, but BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT!!!
honestly I'm a writer (among other things), and I like the cross platform compatibility of AbiWord its rather nice you know to be able to go from work (where I use Win & Mac) to home where I use (Gentoo & Mandrake) and have the same feature set and what not. I like AbiWord's rather clean interface and it feels less "Clunkity" than OOo. Also It will run on my old 233mmx laptop, which is the system that I adore and prefer to write on. I think OOo's footprint is too large to run in 32 mb of ram. But Abi does. so Abi it is.
I think this is a great idea, one of hte reasons I had trouble with OOo in KDE3.X was its lack of smoothness. now if only someone will do the same for Abiword
NOLA center for sci math, a Rookie school pulled a top half ranking (23 of 46) as a rookie school. Go fighting Nautali! wh00t!
about a month ago I was visiting during spring break. I was one of the founding members of the robotics club... except back then we called it RobiticA, and it was less of a robotics club per se and more of an excuse to cut class and play with electric motors, hydrolics and Legoes.
in communist russia your sig posts you.
I've known since 8th grade that i wanted to be a game developer.
When I stared College, which was right before the bust and everything was -grandtastic- CS was the thing, and i was like "everything's gonna be great, I finish school and jobs will be wating"
then came the, Election theft, the.Bust, and 9/11, and Tech sector hit the mat, and I said " Its ok, I'm going in for game DEV, and gaming is unhurt by the.Bust"
Then the outsourcing started and I'm like "Its fine, I'm in game dev, it survived the.bust it'll survive this"
now this and I say; "Good thing I'm a double major"
I've been in school way to long, changed Universities twice and am finally about to graduate. I dont think an economic revolution is very far off. you know how those bad the 80's were i suppose in 20 years vh4 will be playing I love the 00's and talking about how muhc hte music sucked, our country had inept leadership and everything wnet to hell.
how about this. My second language is japanese, I'm now expanding my job search to japan. I don't want to learn hindi. I've lived in a place where the only jobs there are are service jobs, its bad.
you know what else, economies like this create Crime. and if you look at the FBI total crome report, Crime is in fact up.
Is there anyhope? Can we get these jobs back? can I once again sleep at night knowing when i wake up my cubicle wont be in Bali?
fuck it, if it werent lent, I'd be drinking.
I need to qualify this statement. I own an SUV, through inheiritance but I drive her maybe once or twice a week.
Toyota 4runners get excapetional MPG (for SUVs) and with the engine mods, I did with the help of some of my friends, she gets about 27-33 MPG. and on her but 14 galon tank I fill up but once every 3 weeks
I have a problem with exorbitant SUVs and assnine SUV usage. I have a problem with RVs and expecailly my neighbor who has a desiel RV and trails an H2 as a "get around car". and I have HUGE problem with people selling our future (and current) quality of life for a few billion more dollars that they will die before ever being able to spend.
quick! I need a bigger SUV to pull my smaller but still large SUV down the driveway to check my mail! and where is my free H2!?!?
(this makes me feel old) TI-99 in the house!!!
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http://oldcomputers.net/ti994a.html
you know how sometimes alashdoty makes you go through all kinds of loops? well I pulled out the old ti-99, plugged inthe sound module and slammed in PARSEC[space fighter game]. honestly the best part is that this thing uses RCA cables so its on my 40" TV with surroundsound mono.
some info on it: It had a speech modulater and carts, no non-volitile memory to speak of and cost way too much. but i loved it. It had AWESOME games and I even learned to program in basic on it.
the book that came with basic was huge and had program examples and stuff. a ot of good it did me when I got to college though...
whats? that? my speech modulater is talking, I gotta go. cool cool cool
my alienware's gonna hate me tommorrow. so is my girlfriend:) thanks/.
I own a creative Jukebox 1, you know the HUGE clunky 6 Gig model, (upped that to 30 gigs, running the latest firmware)it uses 4 'standard' rechargeable NiMH AA batteries. So when 4 of the origianl 8 (yes thats EIGHT!!!) that came with the unit finally gave up the fight, I wandered into radio shack with the OTHER 4 in the unit bobbing my head. Purchased new batteries for like 8 bucks and went about my merry way.
Addtionally, I keep 3 sets of fresh batterries around. and even I use the unit itself to charge the old NiHM batteries to use in other things (like my remote control and wireless keyboard thingie)
I'm not Apple bashing here, what I am saying is Creative chose to go with Standard Parts and I can replace them whenever I need them and with out cracking open cases and possibly injuring myself. ( cuz i do injure myself when working on electronics... a lot)
Additionally, what happens to all those under 18ers? Do they get their money whiped out? And has EVERYONE forgotten that the entertainment industry relies on DISPISIBLE income and thannks to the wonderfully capable leadership of this country, we are experiencing the worst Economic ressession since... well since the last Wonderfully capable Leader was in control.
ok so I'm www.k_lite.tk_Kazaa_Lite@Kazaa but so are alteast 33 people I know and several I dont (Hey you might be one of us too!!! Kinda like the Borg!!)... not only that but most of them are all behind routers... so The idea that they have the Individual IPs of these users is flakey to say the least. Personally I think they probably hate www.k_lite.tk_Kazaa_Lite@Kazaa more than anyother user cuz he (or we) have every Copyrighted song, clip, and whistle on the planet...
Its tragic when teh ignorant triumph over the just...
I'm going to go and have a nice cry with my XLT 300, after finally getting linux to run on it. I love my Alpha I got mine used from a company called Great lakes computing, I know they still sell them. I got mine for $750 like 5 years ago, and with Debian on it, It Rocks Hard!!
Now If you must excuse me, I need to get some kleenex
"OH Hal, I have some bad news"
Slashdot Mirror
could this be the work of... THE TERRORISTS!?1/
Lets throw a party!! I'll bring Mojitos! but we'll still need chex mix!
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Oh how i wish I could meta-moderate my days away.
Additionally, The GPL is a legal guideline, not an ethical guideline. So while the GPL does protect Project A's right to aquire code from Project B, It has nothing to do with the Ethical ramifications of that action.
A large part of Ethics is RESPECT. And doing what is right. And for those who say its still ok. then I ask you; If MegaTechCo. decides to fire 3/4ths of its IT staff the night before christmas, ship those jobs off to Turkinistanbul and give the Higher Ups a $2million Bonus. Is it
A) Legal
or
B) Ethical
Are they two differnt things now?
-----
See it all makes sense when you pull your head out of your @$$
I rememeber when me and my other personalities were doing a program for class, and due to internal politics, the code got forked. well long story short, I turned in thier code, and they got mad, and I was like "whatever, whatever I do what I want"
But seriously, code forks, and splits are tricky things. especailly if its not an amicable one. In this situation, even though it is allowed by the Liscense, maybe the best course of actions is to abide by the wishes of the other party. I doubt that this is the first time, that this has happened in open source, and will not be the last. When you have a lot of talented people working on identical projects, in competition, with open doors to whats under the hood, people will look.
thusly it is probably in the best interest of both projects to keep out of each other's kitchens as it were. This provides both the incentive of boosted competition, and also the added benefit of better inovation. becasuse as long as you are copying, your code is not evolving.
So somehow we now believe that omnivore/carnivore/eschelon cannot be somehow modified to snoop into chat rooms, MUDS, MMORPGs, Slashdot Comments, or anything else?
Come on people! If its electronic and not encrypted, then its wide open!.
but could you imagine all the false positives from snooping in games?
PC1: alright, so we attack at dawn!
PC2: Exactly, you guys blow up the market place and create general panic, while we go in and take over the base.
National Security Administration lackey: Umm, I think we have something here!
I've had these from Italy for years now. even though they are little more than a shots worth of coffee (or hot cocoa [whats your fancy]) they taste like crap, and burn your hand if you are not careful. but its coffee on the go. for my money I'll stick to the Shower Shock and RockStar
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Jasmine tea... it will help you sleep, just add some lime and a little time. the caffeine cannot resist.
Wow! I must have been really REALLY high, I've had to update a lot of my knowledge within the past 24 hours. I'd somehow gotten under the impression that Linspire was availible as source and thus could be made free. But after a few minutes of early morning putting around the site... I see no free source or binary downloads... well, knowledge updated.
---
There was a sig here once
Cyrix was meant as a joke. Just let it go man let it go. I did RTFA, but I still feel the need to be paranoid and xenophobic, especailly about a HUGE corporation, and its interest in OSS, you hear that IBM, I've got my foil hat ready for you.
I have reservations about walmart doing anything. Though it would be nice to see linux hit the open market in mid-west america in a ready packaged, boot and go format,I have a sneaking suspicion that plenty of these systems will end up with pirated versions of XP or other MS tripe on them.
Still one has to wonder what kind of quality is put into this sub $500 laptop. I mean once OS cost drops near $0 it should become clear that the production (and ultimaty retail) costs go to hardware. This is walmart! so one must ask how much of the $500 is profit margin? 10, 15, 20, 50%?
I for one would be very suspicious of the specs and quality of the parts. Because, lets face it, who needs a system with refurbished harddrives and Brand X ram that go up in smoke after 2 months?... hell, maybe they will run Cyrix.
IM
I am what most people would consider a highly trained technical professional. as I possess most of the qualifications that you claim, and then some (A+, Cisco, and RedHat) I've had my certicifations since 1999, and have since maintainted their currency. I am also a graduating senior in Computer Science. I understand full well that I will be unhireable at the time of my graduation.
I will be the first to say that OSS has some shortcoming (especailly when it comes to UI), But I will also say that I will support OSS until the day that I die. As someone who free-lances computer repair, I know the problems that Windows incurs just through everyday useage. AND I know that the patch and repair cycle on closed source software is too slow. Personally I use linux on all of my systems, including my micro cluster and DEC alpha Workstation. the only exception to this is my palm top which was a gift from my beloved mother.
Now to address your points. Linux is not, I repeat, NOT slower than windows when it comes to serving files, its all in the setup and configuration. If both OSes were tweaked to the hilt, the advantage would go to linux (especially if it is a compiled from source distro). Also there is the small matter of which webserver one uses on linux, there are a plethora and more coming, each inovating and unique, some with more focused on speed and others more focused on security and flare.
Additionally, even if IIS were "faster" and "more efficent per $" when it works, how do you account for the inheirent instabilities in IIS that create more down time... so how much does the down time cost? and where is that factored into your "100% FACTS"?
Cutting corners is where microsoft makes mistakes. If a few extra steps in installation ensures that my bank account numbers is not in the hands of "the terrorists" when the box goes live, then that makes a fair trade off. And if constant re-installation for linux were an issue, then maybe, the installation time should be something to be factored in. but lets face it, linux boxes RARELY if ever need to be restarted or re-installed.
As for GIMP, I've been using the program for a while, and like most OSS, I had to MAKE myself use it at first... because pirated photoshop was all I was used to. But as I used it more and got a better feel for it... the more I liked it...(If windows had multiple desktops, I'd like it more).
There is also the final question, of how cross platform compatible are closed source alternatives? Not Very! Like Gaim, Gimp, Apache, and many others, I can if nessesary, set up a simular enviroment where ever I happen to find myself. and usually quickly too.
Is this because the source itself is somehow better? Nope, its the people that are better. The dedicated thousands of people who push OSS, write, review, test and compile the code. Doing it not because they had to drag thier asses to work today and fill out TPS reports, but BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT!!!
And I hope to be a OSS developer when I graduate.
--Rashaad
honestly I'm a writer (among other things), and I like the cross platform compatibility of AbiWord its rather nice you know to be able to go from work (where I use Win & Mac) to home where I use (Gentoo & Mandrake) and have the same feature set and what not. I like AbiWord's rather clean interface and it feels less "Clunkity" than OOo. Also It will run on my old 233mmx laptop, which is the system that I adore and prefer to write on. I think OOo's footprint is too large to run in 32 mb of ram. But Abi does. so Abi it is.
on second thought, what with me being a Computer Science major, and can do it myself! If only I had more modivation... maybe after July or so.
I think this is a great idea, one of hte reasons I had trouble with OOo in KDE3.X was its lack of smoothness. now if only someone will do the same for Abiword
I have always been of the opinion that Tesla invented radio... along with every thing else...
*clever sig*
NOLA center for sci math, a Rookie school pulled a top half ranking (23 of 46) as a rookie school. Go fighting Nautali! wh00t!
about a month ago I was visiting during spring break. I was one of the founding members of the robotics club... except back then we called it RobiticA, and it was less of a robotics club per se and more of an excuse to cut class and play with electric motors, hydrolics and Legoes. in communist russia your sig posts you.
I've known since 8th grade that i wanted to be a game developer. When I stared College, which was right before the bust and everything was -grandtastic- CS was the thing, and i was like "everything's gonna be great, I finish school and jobs will be wating" then came the, Election theft, the .Bust, and 9/11, and Tech sector hit the mat, and I said " Its ok, I'm going in for game DEV, and gaming is unhurt by the .Bust"
Then the outsourcing started and I'm like "Its fine, I'm in game dev, it survived the .bust it'll survive this"
now this and I say; "Good thing I'm a double major"
I've been in school way to long, changed Universities twice and am finally about to graduate. I dont think an economic revolution is very far off. you know how those bad the 80's were i suppose in 20 years vh4 will be playing I love the 00's and talking about how muhc hte music sucked, our country had inept leadership and everything wnet to hell.
how about this. My second language is japanese, I'm now expanding my job search to japan. I don't want to learn hindi. I've lived in a place where the only jobs there are are service jobs, its bad.
you know what else, economies like this create Crime. and if you look at the FBI total crome report, Crime is in fact up.
Is there anyhope? Can we get these jobs back? can I once again sleep at night knowing when i wake up my cubicle wont be in Bali?
fuck it, if it werent lent, I'd be drinking.
I need to qualify this statement. I own an SUV, through inheiritance but I drive her maybe once or twice a week.
Toyota 4runners get excapetional MPG (for SUVs) and with the engine mods, I did with the help of some of my friends, she gets about 27-33 MPG. and on her but 14 galon tank I fill up but once every 3 weeks
I have a problem with exorbitant SUVs and assnine SUV usage. I have a problem with RVs and expecailly my neighbor who has a desiel RV and trails an H2 as a "get around car". and I have HUGE problem with people selling our future (and current) quality of life for a few billion more dollars that they will die before ever being able to spend.
When you have money.
quick! I need a bigger SUV to pull my smaller but still large SUV down the driveway to check my mail! and where is my free H2!?!?
http://oldcomputers.net/ti994a.html you know how sometimes alashdoty makes you go through all kinds of loops? well I pulled out the old ti-99, plugged inthe sound module and slammed in PARSEC[space fighter game]. honestly the best part is that this thing uses RCA cables so its on my 40" TV with surroundsound mono. :) thanks /.
some info on it: It had a speech modulater and carts, no non-volitile memory to speak of and cost way too much. but i loved it. It had AWESOME games and I even learned to program in basic on it.
the book that came with basic was huge and had program examples and stuff. a ot of good it did me when I got to college though...
whats? that? my speech modulater is talking, I gotta go. cool cool cool my alienware's gonna hate me tommorrow. so is my girlfriend
I own a creative Jukebox 1, you know the HUGE clunky 6 Gig model, (upped that to 30 gigs, running the latest firmware)it uses 4 'standard' rechargeable NiMH AA batteries. So when 4 of the origianl 8 (yes thats EIGHT!!!) that came with the unit finally gave up the fight, I wandered into radio shack with the OTHER 4 in the unit bobbing my head. Purchased new batteries for like 8 bucks and went about my merry way. Addtionally, I keep 3 sets of fresh batterries around. and even I use the unit itself to charge the old NiHM batteries to use in other things (like my remote control and wireless keyboard thingie) I'm not Apple bashing here, what I am saying is Creative chose to go with Standard Parts and I can replace them whenever I need them and with out cracking open cases and possibly injuring myself. ( cuz i do injure myself when working on electronics... a lot)
Additionally, what happens to all those under 18ers? Do they get their money whiped out? And has EVERYONE forgotten that the entertainment industry relies on DISPISIBLE income and thannks to the wonderfully capable leadership of this country, we are experiencing the worst Economic ressession since... well since the last Wonderfully capable Leader was in control.
ok so I'm www.k_lite.tk_Kazaa_Lite@Kazaa but so are alteast 33 people I know and several I dont (Hey you might be one of us too!!! Kinda like the Borg!!) ... not only that but most of them are all behind routers... so The idea that they have the Individual IPs of these users is flakey to say the least. Personally I think they probably hate www.k_lite.tk_Kazaa_Lite@Kazaa more than anyother user cuz he (or we) have every Copyrighted song, clip, and whistle on the planet...
Its tragic when teh ignorant triumph over the just...
I'm going to go and have a nice cry with my XLT 300, after finally getting linux to run on it. I love my Alpha I got mine used from a company called Great lakes computing, I know they still sell them. I got mine for $750 like 5 years ago, and with Debian on it, It Rocks Hard!! Now If you must excuse me, I need to get some kleenex "OH Hal, I have some bad news"