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GIMP 2.2 Released
wongn writes "Several weeks since the splash screen contest was first announced, the latest milestone release for GIMP has come about - GIMP 2.2.0 has just been officially released. Only the linux binaries and source have yet appeared. From the website: 'The GIMP developers are proud to announce the availability of version 2.2.0 of the GNU Image Manipulation Program. About nine months after version 2.0 hit the road, we have completed another development cycle and can bring a new stable GIMP to our users' desktops.'"
Alright, animated topic icons!
I thought i was seeing things.
Runnin' On Empty
... just as i was finished emerging gimp-2.0.
I know, these jokes are getting old, and in reality it took only a few minutes to emerge gimp-2.0.
GAAH! MY PRINTER IS ON FIRE!!! PUT IT OUT! PUT IT OUT!
If GIMP was not open source, would you use it? Does it have anything over Photoshop in terms of Functionality or Ease of USe?
Details of the release: http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew2
I don't have $600 to spend on Photoshop. So yes, I do care. Thank you for asking.
...welcome our new GIMP overlords!
Thanks so much to the GIMP crew for making this software! I absolutely love it for making graphics for my spare-time webdesign!
GIMP developers ROCK!!!
It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.
gimp-print 5.0.0 yet? Yeah it's beta but so what?
GIMP 2.2.0 has just been officially released
Anybody have a link to a torrent?
Oh.... wait
See "Work In Progress" by Bill Luhtala here!
(closer view)
"It is advised that you uninstall GIMP 2.0 before installing GIMP 2.2"
[whine]
Why can't it just replace it?
[/whine]
Because stuff changes, I know. I just wish the world were perfect. There are bound to be filename differences, but at least there aren't a bunch of stray registry entries hanging around.
You can go back on topic now.
Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
Great.. now we get to use that awesome new save dialog! I couldn't stand being able to choose the dir to save in easily... Reduced usability is fun!
/. so that I can type everything out with my mouse... The ultimate in usability.
And the amazing new open dialog... After all, being able to type in the name of the file or dir you'd like to see is lame. Text input boxes are soooooo 1990s!
Now if only they'd replace these text inputs on
*GAG*
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Someone delete this troll.
does it run Linux?
But this is all irrelevent, as Linux will have completely taken over the server AS WELL AS the desktop before the end of this decade.
Meh.
Where did you find enough neurons to learn to type?
You might be a redneck if...
and this has what to do with GIMP?
I couldn't find a timetable for when the Windows binaries would get updated. How long does this usually take? Or what major bugs are still in GIMP unstable 2.2-pre2?
check this dickheads posting history, should be banned IMO.
prime example like this post
Overall, GIMP is an incredible feat of OSS, so I dno't want it to seem that I'm being completely negative.
But, there's two problems I have with GIMP, and one of them might have been fixed and one definitely hasn't.
First is the interface. Much has been said about it, but it really is not intuitive at all. A UI overhaul would be very helpful, and could go a long way to get a lot of Adobe enthusiasts to check it out. I've been using Mac OS X a lot lately, and it's really pointed out a lot of the really horrid UI decisions that have been made with Linux-grown software. The right-click menu is horribly unintuitive, there's too many options cluttered on one screen instead of giving them a heirarchy of use and seperating them by tabs or other methods. There's a whole bunch of things that could be done to make the the interface better, enough to fill a whole research document, so I'll leave it at that.
Second is the name. It needs to change. This is not about being PC, it's about reaching out to as many people as possible, and getting them to try out the GIMP. Will universities ever teach classes in a program that's called 'the gimp?' Will companies ever take seriously an employee who says that he wants to install 'the gimp' on his computer? Y'all have to have gotten the same weird looks as me when you've suggested that people try 'the gimp'. Have you ever told it to someone who uses a cane or crutches or is in a wheelchair?
If you have, you probably felt like a real jerk right after it slipped out of your mouth.
C'mon, change the name, we're not kids anymore, alright?
You forgot one important statistic: 0% of the people here will take you seriously.
Nobody understand the fine art of sarcasm anymore. What a shame.
In cyberspace nobody can hear your server scream - but they can watch it crawl.
...just laugh that there's a big enough loser out there who feels the need to come to a website to post this. Seriously, imagine what this tool is probably like.
He probably is alone in his room, with no friends, sitting in front of a computer, making a difference in a society the only way he knows how, by trying to start shit on a website that is self-described "news for nerds." Wow. This is to you 'character assassin:' I feel sorry for you.
And I laugh at you, pinhead.
Does anyone have a bittorrent link?
Oh yeah, never mind.
Is that because you've been using Photoshop for years and just tried out the Gimp and realized that it's not set up like Photoshop (gasp!)? Well I thought the same thing the first time I gave it a whirl. But I realized that if I've been using the Gimp for the past seven years, I would have had a hard time adjusting to Photoshop. It's all relative.
At last, ALSA support in the midi control module!
Now I can draw pictures while playing my 80's strap on casio keyboard!!!!
The splash screen that won the contest and some others that worth mentioning.
The photography field, Graphics, and PrePress statndards are ruled by Adobe, AGFa and the like, which is the Mainstream Bread and Butter to Adobe. GiMP is nice and Open and Free, but the Paradigm will not change until the Old Gaurd Changes, this means all the Older Mac Heads, and Windows proponants that evolved with Photoshop. If ease of use and cost were simply a factor, then Paintshop Pro would be the logical alternative, as to cost, Corel would be a contender as towards quality, and Macromedia would be extensibility. Unfortunately in the Graphics field Adobe has been around for a long, time and this equates with Quality, not to mention the fact that most users have grown with it, have all of it's shortcuts and process's (sp?) ingrained, and are comfortable with its interface. Where GiMP is nice, free and open source, it is still a new kid on the block, and if you are short on $$$ and want something free go for GiMP, but do not expect to land a Graphics Job were it plays a major factor on your Resume, where being proficient in Photoshop or any of the others mentioned are a definate Resume Boost.
My cat's picked up a Hammer. HEY! Put down that Hammer. Put Down that Hamm...THUNK!
All I want is the Windows version of GIMP not to pop up command boxes for errors that close the program when you close them. That's all I want.
"Thorwaldes who publicly admits that he is in fact A HACKER???"
Not only that, but a highly respected one who can spell his name correctly.And tomorrow the stock exchange will be the human race
Other than that, I can't think of anything offhand that it does better/easier than Photoshop.
"I'd rather be a lightning rod than a seismometer." -Ken Kesey
Anyone willing to make a patch for GIMP 2.2 that will replace the horrific new open and save dialogs with the old ones?
Please...the new ones are completely unusable.
I support the Center for Consumer Freedom
Not really, when you walk into a PressShop and the Interface is Photoshop. I mean get real, jobs are dictated by statndards of what you know, and where GiMP might get you familiar with Computer Graphics Manipulation, it will not prepare you for the REAL World, and REAL World shops run Adobe. That is a cold hard fact. So no matter how Open Source Evangelistic you want to be, you still have to bring home the Bacon. Evangelism is for time off from work, and as a hobby, whilst providing for your family is what comes first. In order to do this you must accept that until GiMP is majorly over hauled, and the Big Boys are knocked out of the Box, Adobe is the Defacto Standard.
My cat's picked up a Hammer. HEY! Put down that Hammer. Put Down that Hamm...THUNK!
The parent shows that the gimp's open dialog box has a preview pane next to it, now why couldn't the devs over at gnome put that into the wallpaper applet is beyond me...
Some posters just need to shut up and laugh. Trolling and humor are not mutually exclusive.
I, for one, laughed my ass off at that post.
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
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A single web site with all the programs I want to download sounds ideal.
Looking for computer programs? This is your web site, provided that Linux supports your hardware. If not, Windows ports of many Free apps exist.
Or are you looking for TV programs? In that case, trust me, you don't want to be programmed by your TV.
I use Photoshop since I grew up with Photoshop. I'll recommend the GIMP (and install it for them if they are illiterate) though to anyone new without any prior experience with image manipulation.
The only hard fact is Adobe's cock in your ass.
Ok, so I've got a bit of free time so if you wanted to know why we Mac folks don't like the Gimp (yet), here are my first impressions just from looking at this picture:s creenshot1 .png
:-)
http://www.gimp.org/screenshots/macosx_
- The toolbox. No floating mini-windows with little tiny titlebars etc. Wastes space.
- Toolbox: Tool selection: It should be very easy to see which tool is selected at any time. Compare it to photoshop, which has every tool in a white box and the selected one is inverted, which tells you in a tenth of a second which tool is selected.
- Lower part of the toolbox: the selection thingie on the left needs a clear border around it, now you can not see easily where the white ends and the toolbox starts. On the right side there are some lines that make this part seem "elevated" yet don't seem to have a purpose.
- Layers window: Another huge titlebar. Plus that popup-menu looks dead too big. The arrows on the right side of the popup-menu are not centered. How can I create pleasing work when I don't like the tools?
- The app name: X11? Not really mac compliant, isn't it? This should be Gimp. Oh, I guess I'll have to install that X11 first, which I've tried out and it somehow didn't worked right. Plus I didn't knew to to desinstall it again, the routine is quite flaky in that respect.
- "Path options" palette: the tabs at the top look unfinished. All the widgets are too huge.
- The main window: on the bottom right, there is a button with an unreadable caption obstructed by a resizing widget. This is just plain wrong.
- The menu bar: Whoa! Now you've got a perfect place to put all your commands, quick to hit at the top of the screen, and you don't use it. I doubt that Gimp has only so few commands that you can fit them all in those 4 menus.
I really hope that Gimp gets better and better and most graphic pros will someday use a great open + free tool, but so far it still needs a lot of work. Just my 2cents.
suprnova is down so no, I don't have one ;-)
And my head would be an old keyboard - and when I get mad, it'd play the demo.
Tsh! be-beep! Tsh! be-beep! Tsh! be-beep!
It would be cool if it didn't suck.
I hereby raise the bs card... First of all you're not a graphic desginer because logos are always made in vector format (illustrator) and second i go between gimp and photoshop on daily basis and there is NO WAY PS is hard to use. The menus are if anything more intuitive. The gimp menu hierarchy is rather ackward. Why they decided to go agains the photoshop / paint show pro layout is entirely beyond me.
Bring them on :)
PIMP Isn't Microsoft Paint either
Work is punishment for failing to procrastinate effectively.
I find opensource software to be great, then you don't have to search for the latest warez version all the time of a piece of software, you really need to use..such as photoshop. Since not all of us make the $$ every year to buy such things.
My problem is that I do not use the gimp daily, and therefore I forget where things are hidden. But, surely, it needn't be so difficult to guess.
One thing I do a lot is to edit the contrast of an image that I've scanned. But, every time, I have to try a lot of menus to find that function. Image? Layers? Tools? Dialogs? Filters? All of these seem to be likely candidates. So, each and every time I want to adjust the contrast, I click each of these things, often a few times, missing the brightness/contrast function I'm looking for.
Does it really need to be this difficult?
I am not writing to suggest a reconfiguration of the menus -- folks have got used to the present state -- but rather to suggest something simpler. How about a menu action that stores recently chosen menus? In my case, a buffer of previously-selected menu items would contain just 3 items: "open", "brightness/contrast" and "save as". I imagine quite a few folks would have a small list of recent commands.
Q: is it technically feasible to store recently-used commands in this way? It would seem to be, since so many applications have recently-used file menu items.
We employ digital artists based on the quality of their portfolio, it makes no difference what applications or techniques were used to create the work. Monkeys can be trained to point and click, the requirement to be proficient is higher but that still doesn't equate to talent.
;-)
Hey perhaps some monkeys would produce better art than others, there must be a whole untapped universe of primate art out there
Second is the name. It needs to change. This is not about being PC, it's about reaching out to as many people as possible, and getting them to try out the GIMP. Will universities ever teach classes in a program that's called 'the gimp?' Will companies ever take seriously an employee who says that he wants to install 'the gimp' on his computer? Y'all have to have gotten the same weird looks as me when you've suggested that people try 'the gimp'. Have you ever told it to someone who uses a cane or crutches or is in a wheelchair?
If you have, you probably felt like a real jerk right after it slipped out of your mouth.
Well, as a non-native speaker, I never knew the word "gimp" had a meaning in the English language. Just looked up m-w.com... gimp means cripple, but it also means spirit and, curiously, vim (which is also a word!).
If you feel bad saying "gimp" as ['gimp], I suggest you to pronunce the "g" as in "ginger", making it ['jimp]. I've already heard people saying it like that; it's not that weird.
The filesystem is the package manager
"...I click or drag&drop images from my filemanager anyway." so in the end, you do not use them. :)
Fuck off: REAL World shops run whatever brings the money in, Adobes dominance is because of Postscript not photoshop!
GIMP
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I'm doing fine with Kolourpaint in KDE. I don't have heavy duty graphics-editing needs, though.
Treehugger? Treehugger... Treehugger!
No
I realised GIMPs interface sucked after starting in imaging on GIMP first, and after several months I finally tried photoshop out of curiosity. Took under a week for me to realise Photoshop has the interface spot on, and GIMP needs serious work.
I don't use GIMP any more.
If I had the time I would start up "legittorrents.org" or something
To compete with LegalTorrents.com?
No, that's just how it's spelled in über 1337.
The photography field, Graphics, and PrePress statndards are ruled by Adobe, AGFa and the like
I just realized something: If a major imaging company has a name that's a Pig Latin slur against homosexuals, then what's wrong with "GIMP"?
If it really bothers you that much, get the source, change the name of the app, and tell your friends about your cool new image editor.
They will, of course, all see the clear benefits of your approach over the existing development regime at gimp.org, and switch to using it and hacking on your tree. Word will get out and the masses will similarly adopt your project.
Sodipodi-> Inkscape is a similar transition, as is Xfree86 -> X.org.
If it really bothers you, step up and make the change, otherwise, youre just whining at the whiners.
I gots ta ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
It's a lot easier to Read your Posts when you don't Randomly Capitalize words.
Which Windows version is this? Is it 2.2-pre2? In the future, please name your torrents with the program's version number in the filename.
$650 is peanuts to the people who really use Photoshop. If it saves you 4 hours of work, you've at least broken even. And the rest after that is just gravy...
I would like to ditch photoshop for Gimp. But I've noticed one crucial problem. Was wondering if anyone else noticed..
When I do a scale image (resize smaller of course) I find even when doing it "cubic" it shows slight aliasing or "jaggies". Photoshop's resize always appears flawless.
Am I doing something wrong?
The Operating System field, Applications, and Software standards are ruled by Microsoft, IBM and the like, which is the Mainstream Bread and Butter to Microsoft. Linux is nice and Open and Free, but the Paradigm will not change until the Old Gaurd Changes, this means all the Older DOS Heads, and Windows proponants that evolved with Windows. If ease of use and cost were simply a factor, then MacOS X would be the logical alternative, as to cost, IBM AIX would be a contender as towards quality, and Sun Solaris would be extensibility. Unfortunately in the OS field Microsoft has been around for a long, time and this equates with Quality, not to mention the fact that most users have grown with it, have all of it's shortcuts and process's (sp?) ingrained, and are comfortable with its interface. Where Linux is nice, free and open source, it is still a new kid on the block, and if you are short on $$$ and want something free go for Linux, but do not expect to land a Sys-admin or Programming Job were it plays a major factor on your Resume, where being proficient in Windows or any of the others mentioned are a definate Resume Boost.
i read a bit of that console page, and i must say it's well done.
many times these days when you buy a digital camera or a scanner or a printer there is a preferential upgrade path from the bundled elements to full PS for US$299.
-- the cake is a lie
I consider myself to be pretty good in English (12 years in school, 9 months in the States).
;)
But I would have never thought that "Gimp" has any meaning at all, I thought it's just some imaginary word.
Well well. I just wanted to tell you: I never had a problem with the name, just with the UI. So do all my friends here in cosy socialist Europe!
I find it borderline unusable.
.exe program makes it a pain to use. If I click one window it will go over the other gimp windows. I can not have reattachable toolbars or a fully integrated program with the stencils, effects, and main graphics window integrated in one. It means I have to resize each window to fit my desktop myself on startup and then when I select another program everything goes to hell as some of the components go to the background and hide around other applications.
I had to switch back to Windows on my workstation for a variety of reasons. I downloaded gimp2.0 for WIndows hoping these improved since gimp 1.0.
The fact that gimp treates each component as a seperate
Dia is another opensource program based on the gimp toolkit that has an unusable UI.
I admit I want to learn the gimp and I am not an expert but I get a headache just looking at the program. Its a mess.
I can not tell you how much I want photoshop right now. I would switch in a second.
http://saveie6.com/
If you need more complicated scripting capabilities, you can use Visual Basic, Javascript, or Applescript to drive Photoshop. Look at the scripting guide that is installed with Photoshop for more details.
You could also continue to use the GIMP, of course, but don't let lack of scripting stop you from using Photoshop, if that is what you prefer. Photoshop definitely has scripting capabilities.
Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult;
whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse.
--Proverbs 9:7
Not really, when you walk into an IT shop and the Interface is Windows. I mean get real, jobs are dictated by statndards of what you know, and where Linux might get you familiar with system administration, it will not prepare you for the REAL World, and REAL World shops run Windows. That is a cold hard fact. So no matter how Open Source Evangelistic you want to be, you still have to bring home the Bacon. Evangelism is for time off from work, and as a hobby, whilst providing for your family is what comes first. In order to do this you must accept that until Linux is majorly over hauled, and the Big Boys are knocked out of the Box, Microsoft is the Defacto Standard.
Thank you very much. :)
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2.2 pre
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It's also a character in the movie Pulp Fiction.
Rather unpleasnt sort that wears quite a bit of leather.
The character is entirely deleted in certain TV versions (check the alternate versions information in IMDB.)
Way too feed the troll smart guy
Pretty straightforward, is CMYK supported in the gimp yet?
SuSE binaries are uploading even as I type this. Enjoy.
Listening for the sound of the coming rain...
Gay, super-artistic, black beret wearing, wealthy right-wing apple photoshoppers uber alles!!! (right-wingers have great asses!!!)
CMYK... cmyk... CMYK... cmyk...
For the love of god!!!
Apache's name came about because it was "a patchy" server. You actually have to do a bit of research to figure that out. The self deprication gets lost in the perfectly marketable name and pefectly unpatchy modern editions. Tortoise SVN is also a stupid unmarketable name. You have to use it find out that it's not actually slow like it advertises itself as being.
Prior to 2.0 a user could fire up GIMP and realize immediately that it's aptly named after trying to figure out how to use the interface. Things have improved greatly but I still use the name as an adjective for the product due to it's poor interface design.
I don't know who's the genious that decided you can't use the lighting tool and alpha channels on the same image. And you have to create a new image to define the gray scale lighting reference image for the primary image. Meanwhile Adobe Photoshop allows you to use alpha channels to define how the lighting will be applied which is actually logical. Alpha channels are not just for transparency. Gimp also doesn't allow you to go outside the bounds of a layer once defined, even if you move it around so the layer isn't lined up with the viewable canvas area and you want to paint to fill in the now transparent area. Another thing Photoshop has no problem with.
Ironic self depricating names can be overcome if the product can overcome them. In the GIMP's case, it hasn't yet. It's still a bit gimpy.
And that's why it needs a new name.
Work Safe Porn
Everyone knows Photoshop is waaaay better.
Why would users pay 800 and up for photoshop when they can use oss gimp for free?
Cause Photoshop works that much better!
A fair number of those issues have been resolved with MacGIMP. You might give that a try. I know it puts the proper icon in the dock, and you install it via drag and drop etc., so it is a much more mac-like install.
http://tinyurl.com/4ny52
So life forms you don't know (or do you dare to declare Wilber and Wilma to be members of any existing species) are automatically animals for you?
An older Photoshop version can be very cheap. Far from USD 300 or 650.
Seems like you're projecting something of your own on the pic that's not really there. It's just cute. Like, dogs playing poker cute. You see it and smile. I seriously doubt it's intended to appeal to anyone's prurient interests.
So there is nothing sexy about humans (humans are animals, therefore...)
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Ummm...have you ever read a famous poem called "The Naked and the Nude"?
It makes a clear distinction between art and anatomy (analagous to "nude") and sex (analagous to "naked").
That picture is not at all about sex. It is about art. So no, it should not be sexy at all. Neither is it disgusting. It is quite harmless and rather humorous if anything. Much tamer than you'll find at a regular art museum, let alone the goth-fest comic book shops.
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Well, as a non-native speaker, I never knew the word "gimp" had a meaning in the English language. Just looked up m-w.com... gimp means cripple
:)
So in terms of user interface, the GIMP lives up to its name, right?
Very good point. This has been in their bugzilla (as a feature enhancement) since Sept '03.
Check this out, from their wiki:
What a joke! Without CMYK, the Gimp is a toy, useful for web graphics but little else. No good to design pros, or to anyone that wants to be able to produce documents to print -- I fall into that second category, and without Photoshop and/or Illustrator, or a Gimp with decent features like native CMYK, there's no way I'm shifting from OS X. Trust me, graphics people do not give a monkeys about Python-Fu .. they want decent tools, they want them to have professional features, they want a decent intuitive UI (anyone that claims the Gimp has this is either a fantatic, a troll, or has the pleasure nodes in his or brain switched with the pain ones). I am not saying this for my own sake, I'm happy using Photoshop, but for the sake of FL/OSS in general. The lack of a decent graphics package This may not sound such a big deal, but without a *n?x version of Photoshop, and the Gimp being in the state it is, this effectively cuts out the viability of using a FL/OSS OS as a graphics workstation.
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Seriouslly, this is a reason why the GNU Image Manipulation Program acronymn has to go. Remember Pulp Fiction? Gimp is alternative definition to a sadomasochistic term
But you see, that is just a niche. What about the thousands of freelancers, web designers, etc? Graphic manipulation software are tools used to accomplish something. You can use an expensive table saw to cut through a block of wood. You can also cut through that wood with a handsaw, circular saw, it doesn't matter, because in the end the task has been completed. Different strokes for different folks.
we used the new dialogs too, but not before we FIXED them by restoring the text input field. Now we have the best of both worlds.
Sorry, I use photoshop quite often, and GIMP is, among other things, exceedingly slow; filters that take a second or two in Photoshop CS take a half minute in GIMP. I got tired of watching the filter progress bar all the time, and switched right back.
Professionals buy new $3k Macs when there's a new model out if there is even 2-3 seconds difference in how long a task takes. Why should they "save" $650 on something that will take them ten times as long?
Nevermind that macros in GIMP are a royal pain in the ass. In Photoshop, you just do the action while recording it, and Photoshop makes the macro for you. You can then apply the macro to images in the image browser instantly, control where things go, have a report generated on failures/successes, the whole nine yards.
If the GIMP team wants Photoshop market share(which I don't think they do), then repeat after me: productivity, productivity, productivity. They'd do well to sit down with a bunch of pros and write down everything they say, and weigh it very heavily into future plans.
Please help metamoderate.
You don't have a clue what your talking about.
And for most peoples needs, GIMP or PSP is more than enough.
I'd guess that most of the people using Photoshop do so just because a) they got/pirated it for free, and b) it's popular. Pros use it because there is no viable alternative. And then there are the non-pro fools that actually shelled out all that money for it.
The "unintuitive interface" argument seems to apply in reverse as well, for me at least - I've been using the GIMP for several years, and recently ended up using photoshop because that's all our art dept had. I found the UI to be quite horrid; nothing was where I expected it to be, getting anything done was slow and painful, overall it just felt wrong - having seen things from the other side, I find it hard to take PS user's complaints about the GIMP seriously; I'd think it change that they (and I) don't like, not the new UI itself.
I mod down anyone who says "I will be modded down for this", regardless of the rest of their comment
Thanks. I've tried that link but I couldn't find a download link (huge page, searched for "download", 1 unrelated result). But then I found that small "get gimp" pic-button which linked to a site that asked me to pay $30 for it. I also searched for screenshots and feature lists on those pages and came up with nothing. :-(
The new GTK+ open/save dialogs are great. The old one was ugly as hell. I use Ctl+l in Nautilus, Gimp, and Firefox. For an experienced user, it is intuitive. For a novice, it's better to just use the mouse... because a novice probobly doesn't use the keyboard much anyway.
In addition, the bookmarks are a great new and easy way to customize commonly saved locatinos. I just wish they weren't taken out of spatial Nautilus, but I suppose it's a feature that doesn't really work well with the spatial model.
Yes, the interface is still cluttered, yes, some problems have not been fixed, but OTOH lots of others have been fixed including a lot of stuff people coming from PS were bitching about.
With GEGL now underlying it, 48-bit (or n-bit, e.g. 48- or 64-bit CMYK or RGBA) colour is closer to the GIMP than you think.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
"Yes, the interface is still cluttered, yes, some problems have not been fixed..."
# gimp-2.2: symbol lookup error: gimp-2.2: undefined symbol: gimp_enum_set_value_descriptions
While I can't really argue about the name, I think your UI criticisms are somewhat less valid.
Almost everybody I know with a problem with the GIMP's UI is an experienced photoshop user. I learned both apps at roughtly the same time, and find the GIMP 2.0's UI acceptably usable in comparison to that of Photoshop (on MacOS - the Windows photoshop UI makes the GIMP look like UI heven). I'm hardly one to claim it's perfect, but the GIMP 2.0's interface is IMO quite usable. (Lets just not talk about 1.x - ugh).
For those who want the GIMP to be Photoshop (not saying you're one of them) I think it would be valid to have a "photoshop user mode" for the GIMP, but in the end the GIMP is _not_ a photoshop clone, and the developers are trying to make a usable UI not clone the photoshop UI. I would also argue that there are better ways for them to spend their time than redoing the already working UI.
At least you don't seem to expect the app to just clone the Photoshop UI, which seems to be the most common expectation from folks who dislike the GIMP's UI. Seriously, Photoshop is not the be-all and end-all of user interface design - I find it cluttered and frustrating, though mostly due to the train wreck that is window management under MacOS. I find the Windows MDI version even worse. I think it's the best UI out there for a graphics app, but it's hardly perfect and it's severely limited by the braindead window management of major platforms.
For me personally, the real issue with the GIMP is technical limitations. The lack of CMYK support, colour management, and 48 bit colour means that for my personal needs - prepress photo manipulation - it's basically useless. Of course, that's only one small area in a very big field.
...install one of the few hundred others immediately available from the competition. Or whip up your own, they've even given us a sample template to speed things along. We look forward to seeing "The Electric Hamster GIMP Splash 1.0" up on Freshmeat soon.
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Frankly, I'd also like the option to have a path field always displayed. The lack is frustrating. Heck, even if the filename widget was added to the dialog by a keystroke and/or button, rather than popped up, that'd be fine.
That said, I don't think it should be there by default, and I do think it's a MASSIVE improvement over the gag-worthy gtk dialogs that were in use before.
I kid you not when I say that the inconsistent open/save dialogs are actually a MAJOR usability problem and a serious adoption barrier for Linux/OSS. Less bright users - that being users in general - get rather confused by all the open/save dialogs. It's understandable for people who don't understand the computer at all - and that's a training / education problem that isn't ever going to get properly solved IMO. Even for experienced user it can be really frustrating. Use tab completion in open/save dialogs? Do I use <enter> or <tab> in this one? *fume*
At least the new dialog still has good keyboard naviation.
...surely we can do the same with GIMP?
However, a patch to add a regex-aware tab-completing text box to the dialogs would be a good stand-in. (-:
I quite loke KDE's open dialog (the one with the list of shortcuts down the left side) but would like the ability to add shortcuts for a specific application only (e.g. web-editing programs would tend to want to go to a different set of popular locations than The GIMP).
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Silence is the sound of one patch languishing on your hard drive.
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here's $1. buy yourself a sense of humour.
PSP rox!!
hmmm... dumb...
"Graphics On Open Source Editor"? "Fart In Adobe's GEneral Direction"? Dissatisfied with PhotoShop(tm)? Get FIAGED!
On a more serious note, has anyone noticed Pathetic Writer's meteoric career? No? Well, it's quite a competent word processor... perhaps a name change isn't all that insane. It's not as if we don't have other handicaps to overcome.
I vote for GRAET (Graphics Rendering And Editing Tool). Gets the point across, pleases the Iriash and Welsh ('coz everyone will know how to pronounce it right straight away) and causes no end of spelling wars, all in one handy acronym. (-:
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...which while greatly endearing it to an irreverant few percent of the population would be death to it in professional circles. (-:
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I am what most people would consider a highly trained technical professional. as I possess most of the qualifications that you claim, and then some (A+, Cisco, and RedHat) I've had my certicifations since 1999, and have since maintainted their currency. I am also a graduating senior in Computer Science. I understand full well that I will be unhireable at the time of my graduation.
I will be the first to say that OSS has some shortcoming (especailly when it comes to UI), But I will also say that I will support OSS until the day that I die. As someone who free-lances computer repair, I know the problems that Windows incurs just through everyday useage. AND I know that the patch and repair cycle on closed source software is too slow. Personally I use linux on all of my systems, including my micro cluster and DEC alpha Workstation. the only exception to this is my palm top which was a gift from my beloved mother.
Now to address your points. Linux is not, I repeat, NOT slower than windows when it comes to serving files, its all in the setup and configuration. If both OSes were tweaked to the hilt, the advantage would go to linux (especially if it is a compiled from source distro). Also there is the small matter of which webserver one uses on linux, there are a plethora and more coming, each inovating and unique, some with more focused on speed and others more focused on security and flare.
Additionally, even if IIS were "faster" and "more efficent per $" when it works, how do you account for the inheirent instabilities in IIS that create more down time... so how much does the down time cost? and where is that factored into your "100% FACTS"?
Cutting corners is where microsoft makes mistakes. If a few extra steps in installation ensures that my bank account numbers is not in the hands of "the terrorists" when the box goes live, then that makes a fair trade off. And if constant re-installation for linux were an issue, then maybe, the installation time should be something to be factored in. but lets face it, linux boxes RARELY if ever need to be restarted or re-installed.
As for GIMP, I've been using the program for a while, and like most OSS, I had to MAKE myself use it at first... because pirated photoshop was all I was used to. But as I used it more and got a better feel for it... the more I liked it...(If windows had multiple desktops, I'd like it more).
There is also the final question, of how cross platform compatible are closed source alternatives? Not Very! Like Gaim, Gimp, Apache, and many others, I can if nessesary, set up a simular enviroment where ever I happen to find myself. and usually quickly too.
Is this because the source itself is somehow better? Nope, its the people that are better. The dedicated thousands of people who push OSS, write, review, test and compile the code. Doing it not because they had to drag thier asses to work today and fill out TPS reports, but BECAUSE THEY LOVE IT!!!
And I hope to be a OSS developer when I graduate.
--Rashaad
I've been using the Gimp for four years now in an educational setting. For a variety of reasons, it is a compelling choice. 1. Students can use the Gimp at school and at home. It's a natural to stop them from violating copyright law. 2. The Gimp is a remarkable testimony to GNU software's ability to create powerful application software. 3. With limited documentation, The Gimp is perfect for teaching kids how to actually learn a software package. 4. Once they "get it," they appreciate what the Gimp can do for them. 5. There's no better way to teach them the real nature of cell animation. 6. For Unix kids, the Gimp is an awakening. When they move from Windows Gimp to Unix Gimp, they suddenly discover that the difficulties inherent in Windows file structure are an impediment to their computing. 7. Even of they move on to Photoshop, learning on the Gimp provides them a much better understanding of the nature of image manipulation. 8. It's not an easy answer. Kids like easy answers. 9. Nobody can figure out what the icon is, and it's hilarious when a kid shouts out "I love the gimp!"
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You mentioned in passing the lack of 16-bit support, which is what stops me from using it at least irregularily - there are legions of DSLR owners that might well take to the Gimp for some work but just can't go without 16-bit support.
CinePaint sounds good, but the implementation on OS X is still lacking.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Agreed. But I've switched to psp because gimp lacks too many functions (and gimp 2.2 still sux).
hmmm... dumb...
The thing about Adobe is that it's as close to a benign dictatorship as you are likley to get with a monopoly.
They have been pretty good. They have a nice spec that makes it easy for people to write plug-ins to do what they like. The programs really does have a lot of great features that came from interviewing and working with real users, like photographers. And the interface truly is very streamlined and well thought out.
Also, the things they have done with PDF and (looking to the future) DNG are great for the community.
I do think there are a lot of people that continue to use Photoshop because they like Adobe as a company. I am one of them, I try to use open software where possible (like OpenOffice instead of Word or PowerPoint at home and the office) but Photoshop I imagine will be the last proprietary app to go - and I can't see when that is even possible at this point. But I also cannot see what Adobe can really do further to make PhotoShop more desirable in the future, so perhaps open source and other solutions can catch up.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Can you please, in the future, consider an emergency reserve of "Redundant" moderation points so that we will have enough to use when stories like this get posted? This story was a true disaster, overwhelming moderators with 537,221,400 unique posts all saying the same thing within 4 minutes and twenty-two seconds. The regular amount of mod points simply didn't cut it. Experts estimate that over one billion "redundant" and "off topic" points were necessary due to massive number of posts about Adobe Photoshop in a gimp release story, and there were only a few dozen.
I know this shortfall of redundant points is a completely false scarcity and there is dire need for redress, unless somehow the number of assholes who feel the need to post crap about photoshop in a gimp story is reduced.
It makes it seem like you just want to find things to complain about when you mention things like interface, which was fixed in 2.0, and dismiss features it does have just because you don't use them (script-fu is very useful for some people, and doesn't hurt anything for those who don't use it.).
Just the file loader has to be added when the plugin gets up dated every will be roses.
Note I have to play and see how many bits it can be pushed to. CinePaint is most likely dead now. Its features have been merged back into the main branch so its bit size processing most likely can be done by 2.2 have not tested yet.
No kidding. For the toolset given, it does EXACTLY what you really want:
-Colors are kept in an always-visible palette of "what you're using," rather than forcing the use of the gradient or color wheel. In the fine pixeling work one uses Paint for, "what you're using" is most important. One possible improvement would be include the colors used in the image over the defaults.
-When you grab a color it immediately goes to painting with the new color(PS does nothing and GIMP OPENS the grabber box)
-Selections are intuitive, if inflexible. When you pick something up the right button's color is left underneath. Layers would be nice to see but I doubt they'd ever appear.
These small, most-used features are what continue to make Paint an appealing program even when its competition offers far more.
Will universities ever teach classes in a program that's called 'the gimp?'
Yes. Computer Graphics and Animation (3rd year unit in a Computing degree). Production of 3d bump maps to be precise.
I have been using it for most of my image manipulation, but I often get frustrated, and here's why. Say you need to crop an image. You select the Crop tool, and click at the upper left corner of the cropped region, ready to drag a rectangle around the region of interest. Up pops a damn dialog that completely OBSCURES what you're doing! The same thing happens with the dropper tool. I was also reminded just yesterday that you cannot select more than one layer at time (say I want to move a group of objects), and worse, you have to keep moving back and forth between your image window and the Layers dialog, because pressing an arrow keey while the Layers dialog is active will change your selection. To add salt to the wound, the selection tool MUST be selected in order to nudge objects with the arrow keys. Why?
I like the Gimp - I think it has a lot to offer, and I use it when I can. Even though the interface is a lot nicer in 2.0, more work needs to be done.
If you feel bad saying "gimp" as ['gimp], I suggest you to pronunce the "g" as in "ginger", making it ['jimp]. I've already heard people saying it like that; it's not that weird. That's it! Just like pronouncing GIF, the Graphics Interchange Format, as Jif. Yes, go ahead and fire up JIMP to edit that JIF, JORGE.
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agreed, when it comes to the GIMP and PSP and pretty much anything else for my graphics work, I need to be able to trust it completely, knowing that my printer (as in a person, not a machine) knows the software and formats I'm dealing with and so on... Basically $650 up front can save you thousands over time allowing you to be absolutely sure your prints are coming out as designed.
Granted, most often I deal with standard formats like tiffs, and what not, but I can't take chances, as it's really costly if your software jacks you somehow (mistakes in printing).
Finally, have you dealt with that UI in GIMP, oi, freaking evil. Adobe products on the other hand have become part of me. The only thing that interests me with GIMP is the scripting part really.
Anyway, this is a best tool for the job thing to me, I don't use Adobe everything. I use Discreet stuff for Compositing (adobe UI is just terrible to me for this), Macromedia for Motion, Emacs for Unix and C/C++ Dev, and Visual Studio for Windows Dev... But for print/web design, it is Adobe... InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop.
If OSS could become the "best tool" I'd grab it, no doubt.
The thing is there needs to be something like CinePaint, only for photographers - such a thing would include 16-bit support (at least, probably more to support things like drum scans) and also CMYK and all sorts of photo filters.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I am what most people would consider a highly trained technical professional.
Mike? I thought your name was Tim.
Even by the lowly standards of flamebait trolls, you sir are an asshat. Isn't there a nice MCSE forum where you can hang around with other room temperature IQ dweebs who imagine themselves to be oh so tech savvy? You guys can exchange virtual high fives for having the cleverness to make a career out of supporting closed source code that clearly needs a lot of support.
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Converting RGB to CMYK is easy. CMY is just the opposite of RGB,and you can use K to optimize CMY by using as much K as you can to replace C, M, and Y.
CMY:
C=1-R
M=1-G
Y=1-B
CMYK:
K=min(1-R, 1-G, 1-B)
C=1-R-K
M=1-G-K
Y=1-B-K
The above might be patented though. I disclaim ALL.
Home (actually any) printers use C, M, Y, and K inks. R, G, and B aren't used for inks, you need subtractive color for printers and additive for monitors.
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
Face it, dude.
The reason why Adobe is so far ahead of everyone else is not that it's the market leader, though like anything, I'm sure it helps.
Instead, it's the quality of the interface that dictates the software we use. It has nothing to do with it being ingrained into our skulls.
One thing to keep in mind: In the business of graphic design, we MAKE interfaces. They come in many forms: print, web, animation, etc. We have to be able to use our tools. If we can't hold a pen in our hands because the gloves we're wearing are too big, how the hell are we supposed to draw? Simple: we take off the shackles, we take off the gloves. We don't use horribly-designed programs like GiMP.
It doesn't matter what GiMP can do as a piece of software; it won't even compare to anything else on the market until it gets an interface that doesn't suck. Unfortunately, open-sourcers are geeks who don't realize that most of the people who use design software are NOT geeks.
Designers are people who know how to design, people who want intuitiveness in their programs. What makes you think that a designer is going to want to use a poorly-designed program like GiMP over a program like Photoshop?
People in this industry pay millions of dollars a year for good computers, good software and good interfaces. They're not going to cut corners and go for the cheaper product if it's not up to snuff. An open-source word processor is different from an open-source desktop publisher. There's a learning curve in any graphics software that isn't in a word processor.
As a response to your reasoning that Adobe products are simply about what people are used to, I'd like to make this point. Although Adobe has the highest marketshare and mindshare, they aren't the only leader here: Macromedia has Fireworks, Flash and Freehand, three programs that get heavy use in many corners of the graphic design business. Quark has QuarkXpress, which is still the most widely-used desktop publishing program (though InDesign is catching up thanks to Quark's inept early handling of OSX). Finally, many designers have to create professional presentations using PowerPoint. Adobe has plenty of competiton, and all of these producs do one thing that GiMP doesn't: Take the usability concerns of designers into account. GiMP has proven itself to be an open-source program that does not take its user concerns to heart.
I do graphic design for a living, so I'm not talking out of my ass here. Simply put, until GiMP gets a solid interface of its own, GiMP is just not ready for prime time in an industry that is built on the creation of interface.
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It's not only Dmitry Skylarow who is remembered very vividly, but their general attitude towards Linux. What they made available (i.e. Adobe Reader) has a stench of being released reluctantly and the quality is not up to par as compared with the Win/OSX version.
But hey: Suddenly there's money to be made and just wait and see: Adobe is suddenly "very committed to the Linux community", or other such utter crap.
Well, fuck them!
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If that's too much typing for you,(without any spaces put there by Slashdot) yields: http://cinepaint.sourceforge.net/
Oh, and for you "Well just right-click on the text and click 'Follow Link'." people, tell me how to open a selected-text link containing extraneous Slashdot spaces in a new tab using Mozilla, or shut up.
Welcome to Slashdot, Rashaad!
Enjoy your stay, but in the future, look out for the trolls, and shut the fuck up.
Wait, scratch that last part. Your response was even funnier than the troll that you swallowed hook, line and sinker, because you're unintentionally funny. We laugh WITH the troll, but we laugh AT you.
All this talk about interface, and yet a large part of the Photoshop userbase is on Windows, where Adobe can't seem to get rid of the old Windows 3.11 Program Manager style interface, that even Microsoft figured out how bad it sucked when they wrote Windows 95. If the users can put up with that crap, they can put up with anything.
With the OS-X version, at least they got the Mac version fixed to use a more userfriendly interface, that's not based on the limitations of the 3.x series Windows.
Photoshop 6 and 7 are both listed as "silver" applications on Codeweaver's compatibility database for CrossOver Office, which means they are very usable with a few bugs keeping them from running perfectly. If you want better support for those versions and support for CS and Elements, be sure to place a vote in the compatibility database. If it's worth some money to you, make a pledge. Pledges pay for development time, basically. The apps that get the most votes and pledges will be supported fastest. Looks like right now Photoshop CS is at the bottom of their list of the Top 25 Pledged Apps with $819.50.
Oh, and CrossOver Office is based on WINE, and all the bug fixes that Codeweavers find will eventually work their way back into the WINE source, so supporting Codeweavers is generally a good thing for Linux and the whole Open Source community.
ObDisc: Not associated with Codeweavers in any way, but I've used CrossOver Office and found it to be good software.
OK, I haven't actually checked out the latest version of GIMP yet, but I did play around with version 1 quite a bit when it came out. I have to admit, I was impressed with the GIMP, but it just made me feel like I was writing with my feet. I'm not averse to learning to use a bit of new software, especially if it's OSS, but it's difficult to wipe 9 years of Photoshop habits and start afresh.. Hopefully, the developers take a few suggestions from /. opinions and factor them into their next version or major version change.
It'd be nice to see an interface not unlike that of Photoshop. This would go a long way towards getting users to switch from the Adobe product.
Even better would be the ability to install a chrome for the interface (satisfy both the old and faithful GIMP users as well as designers wanting to switch to a nice open source app.)
Like many others, I switched to Firefox (I waited until 1.0 was released though..) and haven't looked back. Why? For all the obvious reasons, but also because it looks like something I'm so familiar with already. (Similarly with OpenOffice).
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MODERATORS ! Please learn to tell sarcasm from trolling. The parent deserves +5 Funny, not -1 Flamebait.
This, at least, should have tipped you off:
My old P2 300 MHz, running Debian stable and Apache 1.x, pushes 7 megabytes per second while the machine is otherwise loaded (rendering Povray scenes, running P2P apps). By the above prices, it should cost $2254. Obviously no one would seriously claim this, so the parent post must be a joke.
Not every inane post is a flamebait or troll. Sometimes they are the true gems.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Most of us aren't going to pronounce it that way because it sounds stupid and doesn't match the underlying word "GNU" which is pronounced with a hard G. And "gimp" in common usage is primarilty associated with "cripple", those other meanings are outdated and/or obscure so it will never be the first thing someone things about when they hear the word. I am a native English speaker and I've never associated either of those other meanings with the word "gimp".
You've proven nothing. GIMP, in the English language, is a stupid name that is far too easily confused with an insulting word that is not appropriate in polite speech or text, and that includes work and school environments. So I am with the original poster in saying that the name needs to change if they want to appeal to a wider audience. He's right, companies will not take software like this seriously, just like they will never take something named BitchX seriously if they're looking for a company IRC client. BitchX may not care about appealing to a wider audience, but the GIMP seems to want more users, so they should at least consider a modification of the name.
They could also make the name tell us something about what the application does, but judging from most other software names that is probably asking too much.
"leave. go compile photoshop with -O3 -fi-am-a-stupid-gentoo-user"
If you're talking the little buttons on the corners of the small boxes in Photoshop, there are other things to be concerned about than that. GiMP needs major intensive surgery in comparision.
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Linux 7 webserver? Red Hat web server? Do you even know what Linux is???
And uhh...why is there a problem with a hacker writing a webserver? What kind of person do you think is going to write software?
And Microsoft products have only ever been proven to be unsecure. Plenty of live testing has shown that.
I know how to tell facts from marketing fluff. Now, here are the facts as they're found by SEVERAL INDEPENDENT RESEARCH INSTITUTES
State your sources, what do you take us for? If you do not then you are just another troll. Why do I even bother..
I use Paintshop Pro 5.0... does what I need, and isn't bloated. Also, you don't need a PHD in Photoshopology to use it.
What was your username again? -BOFH
In the Windows version of the Gimp, how can I keep the toolbar on top of the current image that Im working on? It seems to treat everything as seperate windows (sends the toolbar to the background when I click on the image window). Any help with this would be appreciated.
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There are some fights you can win.
This isn't one of them.
Dont like the artwork?
Then create your own packages with different artwork, or at least complain to your distribution for not using something more tasteful like so many people did when Ubuntu included artwork that was even vaguely contraversial.
... useable is a correct spelling, although less common than "usable."
-Dan
I'm also a non-native English speaker. Before the massive whining on Slashdot about the name, I didn't know "gimp" has a meaning. I didn't even know you can pronounce it any other way than "jimp"!
LOL. I'm with ya on that one! :)
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Sorry I've used up all my Redundant mod points on the newbies who never noticed the gimp icon on slashdot has creepy animated eyes, the same freekin' comments that get posted with every damned gimp story.
Photoshop like keybindings for the GIMP
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psmenurc:
http://epierce.freeshell.org/gimp/gimp_ps.php
Photoshop keybindings
http://source.macgimp.org/etc/ps-men
I wonder if the goat.cx guy used the gimp to come up with his fetish pics? fits with the name.
Ditto ... since I came across GIF in '96 (or whenever) I've pronounced it with a hard G. For the same reason, that the G is the G of Graphic[al|s].
I know geeks like to mess with acronyms but the author is being a bit of a dork on this one (if indeed the linked-to emails aren't made up). What's his rationale for the soft-g?
Professionals buy new $3k Macs when there's a new model out if there is even 2-3 seconds difference in how long a task takes. Why should they "save" $650 on something that will take them ten times as long? [...] If the GIMP team wants Photoshop market share(which I don't think they do), then repeat after me: productivity, productivity, productivity. They'd do well to sit down with a bunch of pros and write down everything they say, and weigh it very heavily into future plans.
You are quite right that there is a subculture of vociferous Mac and Photoshop users. You are quite wrong if you think that those people are synonymous with imaging "professionals"; they are at best a small subculture with a specific user profile.
I think it would be pointless for the Gimp developers to waste any time on sitting down with Mac and Photoshop users--those people will never switch to the Gimp and they will never stop complaining, so listening to their concerns is a waste of time.
I hope the Gimp will remain an alternative to Photoshop, something that genuinely works differently and has a different UI.
I'm a vim user, but still, I can't see old Mike doing too well with that either.
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All of it. What did you do to provoke that?
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and find it an excellent value. Compared to Photoshop? For a non-professional user? Gimp wins hands down.
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