Europe and the US managed to do it on their own during the industrial revolution. I think the indians will be better off if they build their own local economy. What will happen to them when (if) they manage to organize for better protections? Will the corporations leave India? Then what will happen to their economy now that they aren't being exploited?
This whole system of offshoring rests on the fact that you are exploiting a workforce. It's bound for failure. I don't support it. When (if) the indians ever get around to fixing their society, we will be left looking for someone else to exploit. Don't you see the ethical dilema here?
Why can't I say that? It seems to me that they did not do a good job of laying out requirements or protecting their investment. If the reason they went outsourcing was to save a buck, it is going to bite them in the ass if they don't make responsible business decisions.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but there are a lot of people that complain about the content on/. Usually about reposted stories and topics that have nothing to do with tech.
Do you think even slashdot editors are above mistakes? Personally, I think they just glanced at this story and saw the buzzwords "outsource" and "software" and figured it was about tech, but this is a business & legal question, not tech.
And thanks for the compliment on the sig, you poo-eating troll.
Slashdot is supposed to be about tech, and people's rights relating to tech.
Since when did Slashdot answer business questions? There is nothing tech about this topic.
When I say "Slashdot revolves around what EVERYONE knows", I mean what everyone knows collectively, not individually. I'm not saying that slashdot is about everyone knowing obvious things. You misunderstand me. You are telling me on the one hand that I can't share my opinion, but on the other that I'm not allowed to share what I know or what insight I can provide.
Outsourcing is a BUSINESS issue, it does not just affect tech, and it has been around since before the tech boom in the form of outsourcing manufacturing work and textiles before that. The question is irrelevant. There is nothing relating to IT in this topic. Said poster feels he didn't get what was asked from the outsourced company, and wants to know what his recourse is. Purely business.
Knowing nothing about something and making an educated comment on it are disjoint. I can make obvious observations on something if I choose. You, being a moron who cannot even try to refute my post, have the option of modding me down, or trolling, which is what you chose.
In case you didn't figure it out, Slashdot revolves around what EVERYONE knows, especially the "Ask Slashdot" section, which this clearly falls under. Hence the comments and replies and all.
I'm against it when there is an obvious bias against doing it in-country. If the 2 economies are similar in economic and legal status, then importing is OK. As I said, I do not believe in supporting oppresive regimes.
I don't folow your sentence about producing inhouse and then importing. How can something be imported if it is created inhouse? Perhaps you meant exporting?
I never did. I compared a system where you have the US outsourcing to other countries, one system where you outsource manufacturing, another IT work. They are 2 different industries, with different employees, but the system of offshoring is the same.
US companies choose a country where labor is cheaper, and export it there. There IS a comparisson, you are just twisting my words to argue against it.
They are slaves to a system that does not provide proper worker protections. They make wages. Slaves are usually provided for in some way, be it housing or food or whatever, so even slaves are paid in some way. They would die otherwise, and thus be useless to their owners.
I'm from Florida. I do not have a "southern twang" or a northern slant, I guess you could say I have an "american accent", which means I don't have specific slurs that you could pick out.
My customers tend to be from the west coast or central areas of the US. They can understand me fine.
My primary (and only) language is English. People who speak another primary language usually have an accent when speaking in a secondary language. Don't be stupid.
No, you misunderstand. I don't have an accent, the OTHER agents they talk to do. We have call centers in and outside of the US. They are happy when they get someone w/o an accent.
Because indian workers do not work under the same conditions as amarican workers. Healthcare, employee rights, the list goes on. I do not support slave wagesin other companies, I do not support the oppression that exists in China in the manufacturing sector. Supporting offshoring just lowers the quality of life in America.
India and China should fight for workers rights just like the US and Europe had to. I don't believe in giving money to oppressive systems, when I can avoid it.
Nobody said there was better work in India. Ask the customers that I talk to every day on the phone, they will tell you that they hate speaking to foreigners.
There is a difference between outsourcing and offshoring.
I am COMPLETELY against offshoring, but outsourcing is OK. Outsourcing just means you are contracting a company to do something for you. Now personally, I thing this is a bad idea in MANY situations where it is overused, because you lose a level of control when you outsource to someone else. You should expect lower quality. In some instances though, it does pay to have someone else do it rather than build your own infrastructure.
Now Offshoring means you are getting cheap/slave labor from outside the country. I don't condone this at all. At least the money for outsourcing stays local/national, instead of going overseas to a country with poor labor laws.
This is not a slashdot issue. Just because the people are writing software, doesn't mean it is a technological issue.
This is a business issue. Is my contractor delivering? What do they have done? Ask to see it. What milestones have been met, and what is being done to resolve the remaining issues? Perhaps your agreement with the outsourcee needs to be rethought, it sounds like it wasn't planned very well.
I have absolutely ZERO experience in outsourcing and writing scripts as a job, and ZERO experience in managing a business and relations. These are obvious answers to obvious questions that do not belong on Slashdot.
If you just tried to save a buck by outsourcing, then you deserve to get burned. You are just jumping on the outsourcing bandwagon without making sound business decisions. There is a level of control lost when you outsource something. You sound like you have no method of feedback and reassurance. Shame on you.
A good guideline goes bad like the laws of physics and mathmatics go bad, which means not very often, or not at all.
Usability is a fundamental property. The human body and mind work in certain ways, and just because computers and technology have changed, it shouldn't affect usability at all. If anything, technology gives you more ability to conform to usability guidelines.
Knowing that Games in general are not a subset of the population means that we are a demographic which can be a good thing as companies start thinking of us a targe audience.
What?!? Run that by me again. How does not ebing a subset of the population make one into a demographic? It's that what a demographic IS? A category to put someone in? Hence, a SUBSET?
Actually, that was a pretty reasonable review. They didn't massacre it for it's violence, they just said it wasn't very good for christians.
I like the quote at the end, " it makes no allowances for the Christian gamer. " Like they expected Rock Star games to have you witness at the end and find Jesus. Lol.
But seriously, they didn't berate the game, they didn't complain that it was killing society, and why won't someone think of the children? An altogether responsible review. No, I don't agree with their outlook, but I don't see anything wrong with it. As long as they aren't trying to keep ME from playing it.
First of all, you can't assume he watches the news. It is every citizens responsibility to be aware of the laws (which is arguably impossible, but I digress).
Second, it is not proven wether people are trying to "take down planes" by blinding the pilots. Until you produce some kind of evidence, it is not proven. There are idiots out there that will just hear something on TV about this and just play around with a pocket laser because they are stupid. I call these people "dumb rednecks". And then there are people out there who are actually trying to take down planes, possibly using lasers to distract/blind the pilots. I call these people "terrorists". Terrorists don't care about the 25 year sentence. Terrorists don't even care if you kill them in the process, if they have made the decision to give their own life to their cause. They don't care about our laws, and trying to scare them by making an example of someone does nothing.
There are no laws forcing stupid people not to reproduce, unfortunately. There would be no Bush daughters, that is a bad thing depending on how you look at it. "Safer to the general public" is a very subjective point of view. We don't lock up senior citizens because they are shitty drivers. We don't lock up kids because they don't know better and do stupid shit. Well, sometimes we do.
I was halfway through your first paragraph, wondering what Rod Stewart had to do with gaming, when I realized my eyes are playing tricks on me. I misread "red star".
All they have to do is mess up X-Play to lose me forever. Put someone with a BRAIN who is in touch with the AUDIENCE in charge of the channel, huh? Give it to Leo or SOMEONE. Because marketing is about to market me OUT of their audience.
TV is all about selling the largest audience possible to the advertisers, not satisfying niche markets. Look at radio. Focus groups and marketting and bean counting are destroying everything.
The powers that be decided they don't care about what techTV was, just what can make them a more general, larger audience, which they can sell to advertisers.
I wish I could pay $1 an episode to download XPlay...
Going price for episodes on DVD for various shows is about $5 apiece. Figure 4 eps per DVD @ $20. Not that XPlay is available. I don't even know what XPlay is.
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Where did the teacher's union come into all this? You talk about freedom of speech and expression, but you are anti-union? Why?
Not all programming problems are inherently parallel, and some things actually degrade by making them parallel.
Europe and the US managed to do it on their own during the industrial revolution. I think the indians will be better off if they build their own local economy. What will happen to them when (if) they manage to organize for better protections? Will the corporations leave India? Then what will happen to their economy now that they aren't being exploited?
This whole system of offshoring rests on the fact that you are exploiting a workforce. It's bound for failure. I don't support it. When (if) the indians ever get around to fixing their society, we will be left looking for someone else to exploit. Don't you see the ethical dilema here?
Why can't I say that? It seems to me that they did not do a good job of laying out requirements or protecting their investment. If the reason they went outsourcing was to save a buck, it is going to bite them in the ass if they don't make responsible business decisions.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but there are a lot of people that complain about the content on /. Usually about reposted stories and topics that have nothing to do with tech.
Do you think even slashdot editors are above mistakes? Personally, I think they just glanced at this story and saw the buzzwords "outsource" and "software" and figured it was about tech, but this is a business & legal question, not tech.
And thanks for the compliment on the sig, you poo-eating troll.
Again, you are not understanding.
Slashdot is supposed to be about tech, and people's rights relating to tech.
Since when did Slashdot answer business questions? There is nothing tech about this topic.
When I say "Slashdot revolves around what EVERYONE knows", I mean what everyone knows collectively, not individually. I'm not saying that slashdot is about everyone knowing obvious things. You misunderstand me. You are telling me on the one hand that I can't share my opinion, but on the other that I'm not allowed to share what I know or what insight I can provide.
Outsourcing is a BUSINESS issue, it does not just affect tech, and it has been around since before the tech boom in the form of outsourcing manufacturing work and textiles before that. The question is irrelevant. There is nothing relating to IT in this topic. Said poster feels he didn't get what was asked from the outsourced company, and wants to know what his recourse is. Purely business.
Knowing nothing about something and making an educated comment on it are disjoint. I can make obvious observations on something if I choose. You, being a moron who cannot even try to refute my post, have the option of modding me down, or trolling, which is what you chose.
In case you didn't figure it out, Slashdot revolves around what EVERYONE knows, especially the "Ask Slashdot" section, which this clearly falls under. Hence the comments and replies and all.
Dumbass.
So I can add you to my foes list for being a troll.
I'm against it when there is an obvious bias against doing it in-country. If the 2 economies are similar in economic and legal status, then importing is OK. As I said, I do not believe in supporting oppresive regimes.
I don't folow your sentence about producing inhouse and then importing. How can something be imported if it is created inhouse? Perhaps you meant exporting?
I never did. I compared a system where you have the US outsourcing to other countries, one system where you outsource manufacturing, another IT work. They are 2 different industries, with different employees, but the system of offshoring is the same.
US companies choose a country where labor is cheaper, and export it there. There IS a comparisson, you are just twisting my words to argue against it.
They are slaves to a system that does not provide proper worker protections. They make wages. Slaves are usually provided for in some way, be it housing or food or whatever, so even slaves are paid in some way. They would die otherwise, and thus be useless to their owners.
Ok, dumbass troll, I'll bite.
I'm from Florida. I do not have a "southern twang" or a northern slant, I guess you could say I have an "american accent", which means I don't have specific slurs that you could pick out.
My customers tend to be from the west coast or central areas of the US. They can understand me fine.
My primary (and only) language is English. People who speak another primary language usually have an accent when speaking in a secondary language. Don't be stupid.
Care to post as non-AC so you could actually respond without hiding?
I don't make a lot of money, so I don't have a lot of decision about essentials. I try. Yes, when buying consumer goods.
No, you misunderstand. I don't have an accent, the OTHER agents they talk to do. We have call centers in and outside of the US. They are happy when they get someone w/o an accent.
Because indian workers do not work under the same conditions as amarican workers. Healthcare, employee rights, the list goes on. I do not support slave wagesin other companies, I do not support the oppression that exists in China in the manufacturing sector. Supporting offshoring just lowers the quality of life in America.
India and China should fight for workers rights just like the US and Europe had to. I don't believe in giving money to oppressive systems, when I can avoid it.
Nobody said there was better work in India. Ask the customers that I talk to every day on the phone, they will tell you that they hate speaking to foreigners.
There is a difference between outsourcing and offshoring.
I am COMPLETELY against offshoring, but outsourcing is OK. Outsourcing just means you are contracting a company to do something for you. Now personally, I thing this is a bad idea in MANY situations where it is overused, because you lose a level of control when you outsource to someone else. You should expect lower quality. In some instances though, it does pay to have someone else do it rather than build your own infrastructure.
Now Offshoring means you are getting cheap/slave labor from outside the country. I don't condone this at all. At least the money for outsourcing stays local/national, instead of going overseas to a country with poor labor laws.
This is not a slashdot issue. Just because the people are writing software, doesn't mean it is a technological issue.
This is a business issue. Is my contractor delivering? What do they have done? Ask to see it. What milestones have been met, and what is being done to resolve the remaining issues? Perhaps your agreement with the outsourcee needs to be rethought, it sounds like it wasn't planned very well.
I have absolutely ZERO experience in outsourcing and writing scripts as a job, and ZERO experience in managing a business and relations. These are obvious answers to obvious questions that do not belong on Slashdot.
If you just tried to save a buck by outsourcing, then you deserve to get burned. You are just jumping on the outsourcing bandwagon without making sound business decisions. There is a level of control lost when you outsource something. You sound like you have no method of feedback and reassurance. Shame on you.
A good guideline goes bad like the laws of physics and mathmatics go bad, which means not very often, or not at all.
Usability is a fundamental property. The human body and mind work in certain ways, and just because computers and technology have changed, it shouldn't affect usability at all. If anything, technology gives you more ability to conform to usability guidelines.
The church has said the same thing for the last 2 millenia. You are the only ignorant one, denying science and denying fact.
If it were left up to the church, we'd still be farming peasant land owned by some rich asshole.
Knowing that Games in general are not a subset of the population means that we are a demographic which can be a good thing as companies start thinking of us a targe audience.
What?!? Run that by me again. How does not ebing a subset of the population make one into a demographic? It's that what a demographic IS? A category to put someone in? Hence, a SUBSET?
Actually, that was a pretty reasonable review. They didn't massacre it for it's violence, they just said it wasn't very good for christians.
I like the quote at the end, " it makes no allowances for the Christian gamer. " Like they expected Rock Star games to have you witness at the end and find Jesus. Lol.
But seriously, they didn't berate the game, they didn't complain that it was killing society, and why won't someone think of the children? An altogether responsible review. No, I don't agree with their outlook, but I don't see anything wrong with it. As long as they aren't trying to keep ME from playing it.
First of all, you can't assume he watches the news. It is every citizens responsibility to be aware of the laws (which is arguably impossible, but I digress).
Second, it is not proven wether people are trying to "take down planes" by blinding the pilots. Until you produce some kind of evidence, it is not proven. There are idiots out there that will just hear something on TV about this and just play around with a pocket laser because they are stupid. I call these people "dumb rednecks". And then there are people out there who are actually trying to take down planes, possibly using lasers to distract/blind the pilots. I call these people "terrorists". Terrorists don't care about the 25 year sentence. Terrorists don't even care if you kill them in the process, if they have made the decision to give their own life to their cause. They don't care about our laws, and trying to scare them by making an example of someone does nothing.
There are no laws forcing stupid people not to reproduce, unfortunately. There would be no Bush daughters, that is a bad thing depending on how you look at it. "Safer to the general public" is a very subjective point of view. We don't lock up senior citizens because they are shitty drivers. We don't lock up kids because they don't know better and do stupid shit. Well, sometimes we do.
I was halfway through your first paragraph, wondering what Rod Stewart had to do with gaming, when I realized my eyes are playing tricks on me. I misread "red star".
Bizarre.
All they have to do is mess up X-Play to lose me forever. Put someone with a BRAIN who is in touch with the AUDIENCE in charge of the channel, huh? Give it to Leo or SOMEONE. Because marketing is about to market me OUT of their audience.
TV is all about selling the largest audience possible to the advertisers, not satisfying niche markets. Look at radio. Focus groups and marketting and bean counting are destroying everything.
The powers that be decided they don't care about what techTV was, just what can make them a more general, larger audience, which they can sell to advertisers.
I wish I could pay $1 an episode to download XPlay...
Going price for episodes on DVD for various shows is about $5 apiece. Figure 4 eps per DVD @ $20. Not that XPlay is available. I don't even know what XPlay is.