FYI, The Canary Islands are a part of Spain, which is a democracy since 25 years. Pssh! But is it AMERICAN democracy? Go-it-along, damn-the-consequences, where-is-my-cowboy-hat-and-bible democracy?
Tourists? We have Disney world. What the hell would they want to see in Spain? They must come here and buy our junk imported from China!
This is america. We just get a cowboy in office and invade if we want something done, consequences be damned. G W will go in there with Dick Cheney and tell them that the homeland is at risk, and jail them all in some little island off the coast of florida.
Don't get me wrong, Saddam was a bad bastard. I am sure there were a lot of people in Iraq glad to see him go. But there were also a lot of people, who quite frankly didn't give a shit. They got on with their lives and weren't too affected by what went on elsewhere.
The same could be said for some other bad bastards in history. Hitler. Are you going to follow your line of reason to it's logical conclusion and say that we shouldn't have gone after him?
I agree with just about everything else you said, but this is just stupid.
My personal thoughts is something NEEDED to be done, but definately not military action.
This isn't as cut-and-dry as you make it out. It certainly is a crime. But one download != one lost sale. There is no physical theft involved, no one was DEPRIVED of anything. Someone who may or may not have bought that item got it for free.
I find it funny that they try to attach huge $$$ amounts to downloads. To make you pay for the crimes of others, in addition to your own.
You have then robbed society of 48 man-years of time, an equivalent loss to a murder.
Comic book guy: Worst.... Analogy... Evar!
15 seconds time lost to nonproductivity is not equivalent in any way, shape, or form to loss of life. People lose time every day to a lot of insignificant things. The problem with spam is the network resources that it consumes, and the fact that it is recurring, bordering on harassment. I wouldn't care if I got ONE spam message every once in a while. I see shitty advertisements every day. The problem with spam is the volume, and the fact that you can't opt-out.
Man, there are some REALLY rabid anti-spam people out there. I mean, I TOTALLY despise advertising. I block ads. I try to stay away from TV. I get pissed off at the radio when I keep flipping channels and there is nothing but ads. But I don't equate it to murder.
With regards to gaming, I think 27 would qualify as non-whippersnapper. Video games started to pickup in the 80's. Anything before that was silly "move the red dot towards the blue square!" stuff. Technology really only allowed a story to be included in the 80's. Some will say that old games left more to the imagination, but I don't believe it. Where is the imagination and deep back-story for Pacman? Galaga? Frogger? Burgertime? No. Those are just reflex-testers as far as gaming goes. People who are 27 now were alive when games started to tell stories, but it was still hard enough that you had to leave something to the imagination. Now there is no need, you can show pretty much whatever you want at this point. I happen to like the games of today. Personally I wasn't too impressed with the old stuff. I think it may be because I didn't really get any skill until later in life, which enhanced my enjoyment. I had a Commodore 64, but I didn't really know what to do with it. It was more of a headache than anything else. I actually started to learn when I got my first 286, and I really started enjoying console games on the SNES. I had a NES, but I kind of sucked at most of the games.
I also happen to know that the human brain is wired for nostalgia. Your brain was forming some of it's important pathways at that point in your life, so of course you have a soft-spot for the transformers. The Atari, Nintendo or whatever.
So yes, being 26, I think I can talk about the "whippersnappers" and get away with it.
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A business model for genetics and cloning? Kind of like how diet pills promote a model for science and healthy living.
I won't support it. And I have ethical reasons for not supporting it, and I have a right to voice those ethical reasons, in hopes that other people will realize the downsides to this as well, and not support it either.
I believe in genetic research and cloning. But I think a better question is: why do we have a government in the US that doesn't support this research, that is afraid of science?
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No, I am complaining that a company is providing an alternative to pet adoption. Not that people are willing to spend big bucks on it.
Norad is a joint effort between the US and Canada. The Canadians are in on it, Eh.
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I said stupid/horrible, this falls under the first category, not the 2nd. If I, for one, have to "welcome our new reanimated kitty overlords", then it falls under category 2.
My point is that this is irresponsible, and ignoring it is irresponsible. No, it isn't important to take up arms and march on the Savings & Clone offices with my pitchfork raised. And no, it isn't important enough for people to protest it. But I do feel it is important to let people know that paying $50,000 for a semi-cloned cat is lame when you can get a great NEW pet from a shelter for 3 order of magnitude less.
The woman has every right to flush her money down the toilet. My beef is not with her. I encourage stupid people to rid themselves of their money and put it back into the economy where it may do some good.
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which could be applied to any of a billion other things daily
Agreed. But if I started to complain about those, I'd be labeled as Anarchist/anti-capitalist/blame-america-firster, etc. Also they weren't posted on slashdot.
True. I have to comment on this for the trolls out there.
While Linux is the GNU operating system, he doesn't really have any right to call it GNU/Linux. It's like saying Model T/Ferrari, or Wright/747, or even IBM PC. Oh wait:)
It is accurate to describe it as a GNU operating system (errr, in so much as linux can be called an operating system, since it is just a kernel).
You are confusing complexity for magic. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't make it magic.
Animals feel fear, happiness, and sadness. They do not possess the capability for higher learning and reason (beyond simple consequences), but they can be taught. What is it specifically about humans that makes them have this magical "soul" thing you are talking about? Humans have a higher capacity for communication, manipulation (physical and emotional), and cognitive thinking (that is, awareness, perception, reasoning, and judgment). That is not to say that animals are without some degree of these qualities.
I'm amused by your "no amount of shocking will bring you back comment". I wonder if you are serious about all of this, or are just so out of touch that you would reduce cloning to a frankenstein experiment. You managed to get on slashdot and write with correct punctuation, at least.
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You are irresponsible. If everyone turned their heads from all the stupid/horrible things that people do, the world would be an even worse place than it is now.
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Yes, and there are millions of children in oprhanages wating to be adopted. Literally. Maybe people should stop having kids and adopt instead huh?
And yet there are huge waiting lists to adopt a child. Perhaps it has something to do with beaurocracy rather than preference? There isn't much waiting for a pet.
I don't think this will take off. There just aren't that many stupid rich people to keep something like this afloat.
I see this as only catering to the clinically insane. The rich, clinically insane, but insane nonetheless. Oh, well, I suppose if there's cash to be made, why not make it?...
I almsot see it as a DUTY to rid stupid people of their money.
Corporate responsibility is a thing of the past, but I hope GS&C give some money to the SPCA.
I also really hope stuff like this is outlawed by President Bush, however. Someone might try to clone him, and people could vote for the clone in 2008.
First his clone would have to be a citizen. And it has to be at least 35 years old. 2039 perhaps? And I doubt his right-wing followers would go that far, hypocrisy aside.
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There are a lot of animals in shelters that need a home. If you create a "clone" of your pet, it won't be your original pet, it will just kind of resemble it. Personality is not born, it is acquired.
I commend them for the science, but abhor the stupid commercialism of this.
Your car recording your speed and position and giving it to authorities (respect my authori-tay!) is possible now. The infrastructure to support automated driving at 150mph is WAY off.
There are still cars 50+ years old driving around. Are you going to share the roads with them? Not safe. Or just expect them to modify their cars to work? Won't happen, too much money involved. Some countries in Europe require your vehicle to be in exquisite shape, not even messed up paint or rust to drive. I couldn't possible imagine this happening in the US.
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FYI, The Canary Islands are a part of Spain, which is a democracy since 25 years.
Pssh! But is it AMERICAN democracy? Go-it-along, damn-the-consequences, where-is-my-cowboy-hat-and-bible democracy?
Tourists? We have Disney world. What the hell would they want to see in Spain? They must come here and buy our junk imported from China!
Why isnt' anyone asking what these kids were doing with spray paint? I thought you had to be 18 for spray paint.
Back when laws used to make sense, they decided not to let kids buy spray paint and glue. Now they want to ban the games?
This country blows.
Please. They will welcome us with open arms! Welcome us as heros come to relieve them from the evil axis of volcanoes.
There is evidence that the volcanoes are developing WMD.
Casinos? We don't need to give them squat. We will take their oil or coconuts or whatever, and leave them with democracy, and they will owe US.
and would the locals let you?
This is america. We just get a cowboy in office and invade if we want something done, consequences be damned. G W will go in there with Dick Cheney and tell them that the homeland is at risk, and jail them all in some little island off the coast of florida.
Don't get me wrong, Saddam was a bad bastard. I am sure there were a lot of people in Iraq glad to see him go. But there were also a lot of people, who quite frankly didn't give a shit. They got on with their lives and weren't too affected by what went on elsewhere.
The same could be said for some other bad bastards in history. Hitler. Are you going to follow your line of reason to it's logical conclusion and say that we shouldn't have gone after him?
I agree with just about everything else you said, but this is just stupid.
My personal thoughts is something NEEDED to be done, but definately not military action.
This isn't as cut-and-dry as you make it out. It certainly is a crime. But one download != one lost sale. There is no physical theft involved, no one was DEPRIVED of anything. Someone who may or may not have bought that item got it for free.
I find it funny that they try to attach huge $$$ amounts to downloads. To make you pay for the crimes of others, in addition to your own.
This country really is all about money now.
You have then robbed society of 48 man-years of time, an equivalent loss to a murder.
Comic book guy: Worst.... Analogy... Evar!
15 seconds time lost to nonproductivity is not equivalent in any way, shape, or form to loss of life. People lose time every day to a lot of insignificant things. The problem with spam is the network resources that it consumes, and the fact that it is recurring, bordering on harassment. I wouldn't care if I got ONE spam message every once in a while. I see shitty advertisements every day. The problem with spam is the volume, and the fact that you can't opt-out.
Man, there are some REALLY rabid anti-spam people out there. I mean, I TOTALLY despise advertising. I block ads. I try to stay away from TV. I get pissed off at the radio when I keep flipping channels and there is nothing but ads. But I don't equate it to murder.
With regards to gaming, I think 27 would qualify as non-whippersnapper. Video games started to pickup in the 80's. Anything before that was silly "move the red dot towards the blue square!" stuff. Technology really only allowed a story to be included in the 80's. Some will say that old games left more to the imagination, but I don't believe it. Where is the imagination and deep back-story for Pacman? Galaga? Frogger? Burgertime? No. Those are just reflex-testers as far as gaming goes. People who are 27 now were alive when games started to tell stories, but it was still hard enough that you had to leave something to the imagination. Now there is no need, you can show pretty much whatever you want at this point. I happen to like the games of today. Personally I wasn't too impressed with the old stuff. I think it may be because I didn't really get any skill until later in life, which enhanced my enjoyment. I had a Commodore 64, but I didn't really know what to do with it. It was more of a headache than anything else. I actually started to learn when I got my first 286, and I really started enjoying console games on the SNES. I had a NES, but I kind of sucked at most of the games.
I also happen to know that the human brain is wired for nostalgia. Your brain was forming some of it's important pathways at that point in your life, so of course you have a soft-spot for the transformers. The Atari, Nintendo or whatever.
So yes, being 26, I think I can talk about the "whippersnappers" and get away with it.
A business model for genetics and cloning? Kind of like how diet pills promote a model for science and healthy living.
I won't support it. And I have ethical reasons for not supporting it, and I have a right to voice those ethical reasons, in hopes that other people will realize the downsides to this as well, and not support it either.
I believe in genetic research and cloning. But I think a better question is: why do we have a government in the US that doesn't support this research, that is afraid of science?
No, I am complaining that a company is providing an alternative to pet adoption. Not that people are willing to spend big bucks on it.
Norad is a joint effort between the US and Canada. The Canadians are in on it, Eh.
I said stupid/horrible, this falls under the first category, not the 2nd. If I, for one, have to "welcome our new reanimated kitty overlords", then it falls under category 2.
My point is that this is irresponsible, and ignoring it is irresponsible. No, it isn't important to take up arms and march on the Savings & Clone offices with my pitchfork raised. And no, it isn't important enough for people to protest it. But I do feel it is important to let people know that paying $50,000 for a semi-cloned cat is lame when you can get a great NEW pet from a shelter for 3 order of magnitude less.
The woman has every right to flush her money down the toilet. My beef is not with her. I encourage stupid people to rid themselves of their money and put it back into the economy where it may do some good.
which could be applied to any of a billion other things daily
Agreed. But if I started to complain about those, I'd be labeled as Anarchist/anti-capitalist/blame-america-firster, etc. Also they weren't posted on slashdot.
True. I have to comment on this for the trolls out there.
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While Linux is the GNU operating system, he doesn't really have any right to call it GNU/Linux. It's like saying Model T/Ferrari, or Wright/747, or even IBM PC. Oh wait
It is accurate to describe it as a GNU operating system (errr, in so much as linux can be called an operating system, since it is just a kernel).
Sorry. You can mod this offtopic now.
You're right. And now that you mention it, there is a certain resemblance between George Bush and a chimpanzee, both physically and mentally.
Typical republicans, crossing the ethical lines (merging human and animal) but trying to legislate morality for everyone else.
You are confusing complexity for magic. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't make it magic.
Animals feel fear, happiness, and sadness. They do not possess the capability for higher learning and reason (beyond simple consequences), but they can be taught. What is it specifically about humans that makes them have this magical "soul" thing you are talking about? Humans have a higher capacity for communication, manipulation (physical and emotional), and cognitive thinking (that is, awareness, perception, reasoning, and judgment). That is not to say that animals are without some degree of these qualities.
I'm amused by your "no amount of shocking will bring you back comment". I wonder if you are serious about all of this, or are just so out of touch that you would reduce cloning to a frankenstein experiment. You managed to get on slashdot and write with correct punctuation, at least.
You are irresponsible. If everyone turned their heads from all the stupid/horrible things that people do, the world would be an even worse place than it is now.
Yes, and there are millions of children in oprhanages wating to be adopted. Literally. Maybe people should stop having kids and adopt instead huh?
And yet there are huge waiting lists to adopt a child. Perhaps it has something to do with beaurocracy rather than preference? There isn't much waiting for a pet.
I don't think this will take off. There just aren't that many stupid rich people to keep something like this afloat.
I see this as only catering to the clinically insane. The rich, clinically insane, but insane nonetheless. Oh, well, I suppose if there's cash to be made, why not make it? ...
I almsot see it as a DUTY to rid stupid people of their money.
Corporate responsibility is a thing of the past, but I hope GS&C give some money to the SPCA.
I also really hope stuff like this is outlawed by President Bush, however. Someone might try to clone him, and people could vote for the clone in 2008.
First his clone would have to be a citizen. And it has to be at least 35 years old. 2039 perhaps? And I doubt his right-wing followers would go that far, hypocrisy aside.
There are a lot of animals in shelters that need a home. If you create a "clone" of your pet, it won't be your original pet, it will just kind of resemble it. Personality is not born, it is acquired.
I commend them for the science, but abhor the stupid commercialism of this.
They talk about containers, DTrace, and ZFS in one breath, and then insert and editors note explaining what drivers are in the next.
Ah. I think I was confusing Dennis Hopper and John Lithgow subconciously. I don't know why.
Some people will look for excuses to rant on individual liberty in anything.
This from an AC.
Your car recording your speed and position and giving it to authorities (respect my authori-tay!) is possible now. The infrastructure to support automated driving at 150mph is WAY off.
There are still cars 50+ years old driving around. Are you going to share the roads with them? Not safe. Or just expect them to modify their cars to work? Won't happen, too much money involved. Some countries in Europe require your vehicle to be in exquisite shape, not even messed up paint or rust to drive. I couldn't possible imagine this happening in the US.