huge difference (#13146) by Anonymous Reader on 2002.05.11 13:21
I am not a lawyer (thankfully), but I do know that if I pay for something, and it fails, I am entitled to compensation. If it fails from negligence or designed error, then there can be punitive damages. But let's examine the case of a Linux/BSD web server, running Apache, MySQL, and PostNuke.
To be safe, I download for free a non-commercial Linux such as Debian, or FreeBSD. I might be mistaken, but both are developed by groups of people, and anyone is allowed entry if they are competent enough coders. But a group is not a company. The whole corporation/private/public/IPO thing. I acquire, freely and legally, a copy of their work. They might have benefactors and patrons, but that isn't the same as employers.
So I download Apache, MySQL, and PostNuke. All fall under the same category. Maybe MySQL doesn't, then just replace MySQL/PostNuke with Perl/DBI.
So now a huge bug develops, a hole so large, it had to be coded in Redmond. I lose all my data, my competitors get my secrets, and I'm on unemployment line next to Enron execs. Who do I have to blame?
Let's see, someone or some people worked on a project that was supposed to do some particular task. They made it freely available, source and all, so that others might work on it as well. They made no claims about it's security, stability, etc. Others may have, but they did not misrepresent the software in any way.
I did not contribute, but I saw an opportunity to use their work. So I did. They received nothing from me, not money, not anything. And, the whole time, the company kept no secrets about the product, and in fact, by making the source available, does just the opposite.
There was no intent to decieve, nor any misrepresentation. By not purchasing the product nor any sort of service contract, I entered into no agreement with the group.
Going in, I understand the risks. I assume the responsibility if problems occur. This is 180 degrees different from microsoft, since they make plenty of claims, and since there is a legal agreement between a company and microsoft, and because they are marketing a product with known liabilities.
No, free/open source software doesn't stand to be shut down, rather it stands to gain tremendously. The problem is for companies like RedHat which sell and service open source software. So, form the commercial standpoint, it hurts linux companies who don't have billions to spend on lawyers, like er um, microsoft. But it doesn;t hurt open source software.
I've recently been laid off, despite carefully not choosing a dot com type of company. Specialising in security - so I though my job was safe, especially due to the current trend of paranoia. Guess what? VCs who were about to fund us, walked away, leaving us(the company) in the shit. However, enough of how I got into this mess, and on with my observation. Most contractors I've come across (with the exception of two or three) are just complete typical MSCE idiots. God knows how they even passed the MSCE (not that I've taken one, though I hear they are quite easy). These contractors are now unable to find jobs, due to the dot com bubble bursting and so they turn to permament work. So they're going for similar jobs as me, a staunch perm person. These guys get all the interviews because they have "lots" of experiance - mostly through upping their experiance in something from "I looked at X, while doing a Y project" to "Expirianced in X and Y". So I apply for a job through an agency and get silently filtered out, due to so called "lack of experiance". Only last week I had to berate a stupid agents manager about his attitude - "you cant do this job because you havent worked in a consultancy like Anderson" - even when the job was a developer position! The few interviews I've been on people have told me that most of the "highly technical" candidates fail badly at the technical interview... which furthers my suspicions that my CV isn't going to the places I apply for... This annoys me tremendously. I expect soon that I will been told that since I dont have a LCE/MSCE/Other "professional" qualification that I'm unsuitable for development. Maybe it's time for me to become a contractor?
BLEH !
(Apologies to the few contractors out there - and MSCEs - that actually know what they're on about.)
ADSL was originally intended for digital TV (and pay per play movies/timeshifted TV) over telephone lines, and look what it is used for now. These people do something similar over wireless in the UK... I nearly signed up for them, though my leasehold agreement forbids external antennas... With ITV Digital going titsup.com it looks like cable for me.
I'm considering using these myself. at £100/$100 price margin they really rock... I'm about to evaluate these beauties, they seem to really be quite neat
you: "Oi Android, come over here" it: "I'm sorry dave, I can't do that"
you: "Damn - I forgot to build the rest of you" it: "I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side."
you: "What *are* you talking about" it: "I think you ought to know that I'm feeling very depressed."
you: "Hmm..." it: "I mentioned to you that I had this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side? That I had asked for them to be replaced but they never were?"
it: See if you can guess which parts of me were never replaced? Go on, see if you can guess."
Re:What's the REAL speed?
on
802.11b at 22mbps
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This is why it is so bad: (quote) The problem is that doing [using) yEnc within MIME will break the current MIME specification, and very likely cause problems with existing software.You cannot add yEnc to MIME without first having two small changes made in the MIME specs. Bypassing the standards process would basically sabotage MIME by making it so that coding to the spec will produce software that doesn't work in the real world (end quote)
Anyhow do we really need yet another damn standard for posting stuff. We're still having trouble with people posting html messages on usenet (Thanks outlook) - not to mention email...
Usenet really isnt the place for posting pics of you shagging your favorite goat near the railway lines, or the latest mpegs of enterprise etc.
In fact, lets kill off mime altogether, and get this multimedia crap out of our inboxes. Email/Usenet is for plain text, period.
Bah humbug.:-)
okay so I/do/ use outlook occasionally, and sometimes email attachments but only as a last resort.
Apologies if this has been said, but wtf do you need an IDE for? make, and vi/pico/emacs not good enough for you ?
What about a powerful email tool? Well, there is elm/pine/mutt (in increasing order of preference)
There are java versions of ssh, or use the infamous PuTTY.
There are a million and one shell companies that you can buy an account from for a few dollars/pounds/groats a month. (Yes I run a small shell provider). Some even are free!
Another Example of these "Euro Teen Sluts" cyber squatters, the have registered a name confusingly similar to http://www.jades.org/ which they just dropped the "s". So instead of getting an Elite (In the Bell and Braben sense) you get http://www.jade.org/ a f**king porn site, complete with embarrasing ON CLOSE popups.
These people should be beaten repeatedly with blunt objects until they see the error of their ways.
Looking through the whois records for the three sites (kdhxfm88.org tclconsortium.org jade.org) I get this:
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the.com,.net, and.org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
>>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:01:06 EST >>>Whois Database last updated on: Thu Nov 8 03:32:02 2001>>>Whois Database last updated on: Thu Nov 8 03:32:02 2001>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:01:06 EST DOMAIN FOR SALE - ENTER HERE -
5 Pechatnikova 33
Yerevan, 335010
AM
Domain Name: TCLCONSORTIUM.ORG
Administrative Contact:
Web Master admin@segod.com
http://x.segod.com
5 Pechatnikova St., #33
Yerevan, 375010
AM
Phone- 208.978.3555
Fax- 208.978.3555
Technical Contact:
Web Master admin@segod.com
http://x.segod.com
5 Pechatnikova St., #33
Yerevan, 375010
AM
Phone- 208.978.3555
Fax- 208.978.3555
Record updated on 2001-04-09 03:35:56.
Record created on 2001-04-09.
Record expires on 2002-04-09.
Database last updated on 2001-11-08 17:45:53 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.EEEX.NET 66.51.203.30
NS2.EEEX.NET 66.51.203.31
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the.com,.net, and.org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: JADE.ORG
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: DOMAIN-FOR-SALE.MANCY.COM
Name Server: EMAIL-OFFERS.MANCY.COM
Updated Date: 05-nov-2001
>>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:01:06 EST
With the advent of DirectX 8 openGL has a worthy competitor.
So why then, has is it so hard to use?(so I hear)
OpenGL, probably the easiest api I've used. Nice and clean, simple, and CROSS PLATFORM. Couple with SDL and openAL you have something that beats the directX technology into a cocked hat.
But why don't games use it?
They do not *CARE* about cross platform, or whatever us open source geeks want, so no linux games.
Sure cross platform is one of my goals, whenever I write something. But when your audience is either windows or console its much easier to have a engine porting project, than make it opengl.
We must also take note, that open GL wasn't designed for games, directx was. Our current obscession with opengl is probably to do with carmack and quake.
And to be honest, windows (graphics)drivers for opengl have been pants upto a year ago, where as directxs been a gaming api since 95ish
Now can we shut up about opengl and directx please ?
NARRATOR: In A.D. 2001, another trek was beginning.
CAPTAIN: What happen?
MECHANIC: Someone set us up the slashdot!
OPERATOR: We get signal.
CAPTAIN: What!
OPERATOR: Main screen turn on.
CAPTAIN: It's you!!
CATS: How are you gentlemen!! All your webservers are belong to us. You are on the way to destruction.
CAPTAIN: What you say!!
CATS: You have no chance to survive make your time. Ha ha ha ha....
OPERATOR: Captain!!
CAPTAIN: Turn off every Switch!! You know what you doing. Upgrade Bandwidth!! . For great justice.
Him
1. He installed unauthorized software on machines
2. He stood to make financial gain out of this act
3. He should be berated for this action.
Them
1. 59 cents per second for data traffic? I don't think so.
2. Was this a well thought out action, or just a political/knee jerk reaction ?
3. 15 years in prison? !! Why, this man hasn't harmed others in this action - apart from his future employment prospects (I wouldn't employ him)
4. This happened 2 years ago, wouldn't it be just easier to forgive and forget?
I also did something similar, although I was in the UK, and at uni, my account got frozen, and I had difficulty persuading them to give me an account for my final year. My point is common sense prevailed, I was berated, and understood the whys and wherefores, I should of known better.
Even though I only ran it over a weekend over all the uni's unix boxen I could find, by Monday Afternoon my account was frozen. I wasn't sued or expelled for my minor indiscretion, just had to apologize.
This will be another point to add to my "Why I shouldn't move to the USA" list. Goddamn Americans, I'm glad we gave you independance:-)
Fine, Oz gets the raw end of the deal with DVDs, and the consumer protection people are planning to deal with it. GOOD FOR THEM!
The film industry pundits that pushed for regioning seem to have forgotton one important point. This is a global economy! If I want to buy goods from abroad I should not be prevented from doing so. This is not restricted to DVDs. The computer console industry are just as bad too. (not that I own, or plan to own a console)
Other examples include computer hardware/consumer electronics , why in the UK can they justify selling at $1=£1 ?
We the consumer have been taken from behind by big business for so long, that big business will do anything (like push for DMCA-alikes all over the world) so they can continue walking all over "us"; Freedom of speech, constitutional and human rights be damned!
Maybe I've read too much cyberpunk, but doesn't it look like the (Mega) Corporations run things now?
*sigh* I'm tired of reading the same type of posts over and over again. Why instead of posting on/. Why don't you pester your elected representatives (Or alternatly just vote at your elections rather than sit on your asses being online) ? Do you really thing Blair, Bush, *insert your leaders name here* or their aides actually read this stuff? No I didn't think so.
Okay, at first I thought this was going to be a half baked idea, indeed the domain hierachy is a quite sensible recommendation (personally I hate seeing domain b*st*rdisation like *.uk.com uk.*.com etc. anyhow thats a different rant altogether:-)
Reading on, store and forwarding in nodes? Sounds like another fido/uucp implementation to me... not that I disagree that high latency links shouldn't have a store or forwarding system they *should*. But if one already has a workable system, why invent another?
On a lighter note, its a good thing(tm) that people are thinking about this now rather than implementing some half-assed propriatry system.
huge difference (#13146)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.05.11 13:21
I am not a lawyer (thankfully), but I do know that if I pay for something, and it fails, I am entitled to compensation. If it fails from negligence or designed error, then there can be punitive damages. But let's examine the case of a Linux/BSD web server, running Apache, MySQL, and PostNuke.
To be safe, I download for free a non-commercial Linux such as Debian, or FreeBSD. I might be mistaken, but both are developed by groups of people, and anyone is allowed entry if they are competent enough coders. But a group is not a company. The whole corporation/private/public/IPO thing. I acquire, freely and legally, a copy of their work. They might have benefactors and patrons, but that isn't the same as employers.
So I download Apache, MySQL, and PostNuke. All fall under the same category. Maybe MySQL doesn't, then just replace MySQL/PostNuke with Perl/DBI.
So now a huge bug develops, a hole so large, it had to be coded in Redmond. I lose all my data, my competitors get my secrets, and I'm on unemployment line next to Enron execs. Who do I have to blame?
Let's see, someone or some people worked on a project that was supposed to do some particular task. They made it freely available, source and all, so that others might work on it as well. They made no claims about it's security, stability, etc. Others may have, but they did not misrepresent the software in any way.
I did not contribute, but I saw an opportunity to use their work. So I did. They received nothing from me, not money, not anything. And, the whole time, the company kept no secrets about the product, and in fact, by making the source available, does just the opposite.
There was no intent to decieve, nor any misrepresentation. By not purchasing the product nor any sort of service contract, I entered into no agreement with the group.
Going in, I understand the risks. I assume the responsibility if problems occur. This is 180 degrees different from microsoft, since they make plenty of claims, and since there is a legal agreement between a company and microsoft, and because they are marketing a product with known liabilities.
No, free/open source software doesn't stand to be shut down, rather it stands to gain tremendously. The problem is for companies like RedHat which sell and service open source software. So, form the commercial standpoint, it hurts linux companies who don't have billions to spend on lawyers, like er um, microsoft. But it doesn;t hurt open source software.
rob mandel
^^^----- Posted anonymously here
I've recently been laid off, despite carefully not choosing a dot com type of company. Specialising in security - so I though my job was safe, especially due to the current trend of paranoia. Guess what? VCs who were about to fund us, walked away, leaving us(the company) in the shit. ... which furthers my suspicions that my CV isn't going to the places I apply for ... This annoys me tremendously. I expect soon that I will been told that since I dont have a LCE/MSCE/Other "professional" qualification that I'm unsuitable for development. Maybe it's time for me to become a contractor?
However, enough of how I got into this mess, and on with my observation. Most contractors I've come across (with the exception of two or three) are just complete typical MSCE idiots. God knows how they even passed the MSCE (not that I've taken one, though I hear they are quite easy).
These contractors are now unable to find jobs, due to the dot com bubble bursting and so they turn to permament work. So they're going for similar jobs as me, a staunch perm person. These guys get all the interviews because they have "lots" of experiance - mostly through upping their experiance in something from "I looked at X, while doing a Y project" to "Expirianced in X and Y". So I apply for a job through an agency and get silently filtered out, due to so called "lack of experiance".
Only last week I had to berate a stupid agents manager about his attitude - "you cant do this job because you havent worked in a consultancy like Anderson" - even when the job was a developer position!
The few interviews I've been on people have told me that most of the "highly technical" candidates fail badly at the technical interview
BLEH !
(Apologies to the few contractors out there - and MSCEs - that actually know what they're on about.)
ADSL was originally intended for digital TV (and pay per play movies/timeshifted TV) over telephone lines, and look what it is used for now. ... I nearly signed up for them, though my leasehold agreement forbids external antennas ... With ITV Digital going titsup.com it looks like cable for me.
:P
These people do something similar over wireless in the UK
Oh yes, can someone give me a job?
How about:
. jsp?motherboardId=21
0 chassis.jsp
...
http://www.viavpsd.com/product/epia_mini_itx_spec
and
http://www.viavpsd.com/products/epia_compatible%2
I'm considering using these myself. at £100/$100 price margin they really rock
I'm about to evaluate these beauties, they seem to really be quite neat
you: "Oi Android, come over here"
it: "I'm sorry dave, I can't do that"
you: "Damn - I forgot to build the rest of you"
it: "I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side."
you: "What *are* you talking about"
it: "I think you ought to know that I'm feeling very depressed."
you: "Hmm..."
it: "I mentioned to you that I had this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side? That I had asked for them to be replaced but they never were?"
it: See if you can guess which parts of me were never replaced? Go on, see if you can guess."
Yes,
What he said.
This is why it is so bad:
:-)
/do/ use outlook occasionally, and sometimes email attachments but only as a last resort.
(quote)
The problem is that doing [using) yEnc within MIME will break the current MIME specification, and very likely cause problems with existing software.You cannot add yEnc to MIME without first having two small changes made in the MIME specs. Bypassing the standards process would basically sabotage MIME by making it so that coding to the spec will produce software that doesn't work in the real world
(end quote)
Anyhow do we really need yet another damn standard for posting stuff. We're still having trouble with people posting html messages on usenet (Thanks outlook) - not to mention email...
Usenet really isnt the place for posting pics of you shagging your favorite goat near the railway lines, or the latest mpegs of enterprise etc.
In fact, lets kill off mime altogether, and get this multimedia crap out of our inboxes. Email/Usenet is for plain text, period.
Bah humbug.
okay so I
Apologies if this has been said, but wtf do you need an IDE for? make, and vi/pico/emacs not good enough for you ?
... nor get outlook trojans/viruses etc.
What about a powerful email tool?
Well, there is elm/pine/mutt (in increasing order of preference)
There are java versions of ssh, or use the infamous PuTTY.
There are a million and one shell companies that you can buy an account from for a few dollars/pounds/groats a month. (Yes I run a small shell provider). Some even are free!
Oh other stuff
web: lynx/links
ftp: ftp(!)/ncftp
file manager?: unix prompt/midnight commander
Now, okay, you cant do much image work, or see your porn
You really need a local windoze box for all that.
Now why do you need a GUI for?
Can anyone imaging a beowulf cluster of these?
;-)
(Apologies)
Are lans suddenly "exciting" now ?
I find them extremely tedious, and full of 12 year old CS cheaters^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hplayers
(fp)
mod this guy up. He talks sense!
I hate it when I hit Submit instead of Preview
Another Example of these "Euro Teen Sluts" cyber squatters, the have registered a name confusingly similar to http://www.jades.org/ which they just dropped the "s". So instead of getting an Elite (In the Bell and Braben sense) you get http://www.jade.org/ a f**king porn site, complete with embarrasing ON CLOSE popups.
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
These people should be beaten repeatedly with blunt objects until they see the error of their ways.
Looking through the whois records for the three sites (kdhxfm88.org tclconsortium.org jade.org) I get this:
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: KDHXFM88.ORG
Registrar: ADDRESS CREATION
Whois Server: whois.addresscreation.com
Referral URL: http://www.addresscreation.com
Name Server: NS1.EEEX.NET
Name Server: NS2.EEEX.NET
Updated Date: 05-nov-2001
>>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:01:06 EST >>>Whois Database last updated on: Thu Nov 8 03:32:02 2001>>>Whois Database last updated on: Thu Nov 8 03:32:02 2001>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:01:06 EST DOMAIN FOR SALE - ENTER HERE -
5 Pechatnikova 33
Yerevan, 335010
AM
Domain Name: TCLCONSORTIUM.ORG
Administrative Contact:
Web Master admin@segod.com
http://x.segod.com
5 Pechatnikova St., #33
Yerevan, 375010
AM
Phone- 208.978.3555
Fax- 208.978.3555
Technical Contact:
Web Master admin@segod.com
http://x.segod.com
5 Pechatnikova St., #33
Yerevan, 375010
AM
Phone- 208.978.3555
Fax- 208.978.3555
Record updated on 2001-04-09 03:35:56.
Record created on 2001-04-09.
Record expires on 2002-04-09.
Database last updated on 2001-11-08 17:45:53 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.EEEX.NET 66.51.203.30
NS2.EEEX.NET 66.51.203.31
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: JADE.ORG
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
Name Server: DOMAIN-FOR-SALE.MANCY.COM
Name Server: EMAIL-OFFERS.MANCY.COM
Updated Date: 05-nov-2001
>>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:01:06 EST
I think Unsolicited commercial email should be
;-)
regarded "corporate terrorism against consumers"
Can we send in the troops now Mr Bush ?
With the advent of DirectX 8 openGL has a worthy competitor.
So why then, has is it so hard to use?(so I hear)
OpenGL, probably the easiest api I've used. Nice and clean, simple, and CROSS PLATFORM. Couple with SDL and openAL you have something that beats the directX technology into a cocked hat.
But why don't games use it?
They do not *CARE* about cross platform, or whatever us open source geeks want, so no linux games.
Sure cross platform is one of my goals, whenever I write something. But when your audience is either windows or console its much easier to have a engine porting project, than make it opengl.
We must also take note, that open GL wasn't designed for games, directx was. Our current obscession with opengl is probably to do with carmack and quake.
And to be honest, windows (graphics)drivers for opengl have been pants upto a year ago, where as directxs been a gaming api since 95ish
Now can we shut up about opengl and directx please ?
thx gg pld bye
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/introducing/e liza/
heh, well at least if I reply to someone I do not post as "anonymous coward".
heh
But not better language it seems :-)
Hell you cannot even spell COLOUR right.
damn right :-)
NARRATOR: In A.D. 2001, another trek was beginning.
CAPTAIN: What happen?
MECHANIC: Someone set us up the slashdot!
OPERATOR: We get signal.
CAPTAIN: What!
OPERATOR: Main screen turn on.
CAPTAIN: It's you!!
CATS: How are you gentlemen!! All your webservers are belong to us. You are on the way to destruction.
CAPTAIN: What you say!!
CATS: You have no chance to survive make your time. Ha ha ha ha....
OPERATOR: Captain!!
CAPTAIN: Turn off every Switch!! You know what you doing. Upgrade Bandwidth!! . For great justice.
no? oh suit yourself:-)
Him
1. He installed unauthorized software on machines
2. He stood to make financial gain out of this act
3. He should be berated for this action.
Them
1. 59 cents per second for data traffic? I don't think so.
2. Was this a well thought out action, or just a political/knee jerk reaction ?
3. 15 years in prison? !! Why, this man hasn't harmed others in this action - apart from his future employment prospects (I wouldn't employ him)
4. This happened 2 years ago, wouldn't it be just easier to forgive and forget?
I also did something similar, although I was in the UK, and at uni, my account got frozen, and I had difficulty persuading them to give me an account for my final year. My point is common sense prevailed, I was berated, and understood the whys and wherefores, I should of known better.
Even though I only ran it over a weekend over all the uni's unix boxen I could find, by Monday Afternoon my account was frozen. I wasn't sued or expelled for my minor indiscretion, just had to apologize.
This will be another point to add to my "Why I shouldn't move to the USA" list. Goddamn Americans, I'm glad we gave you independance
Fine, Oz gets the raw end of the deal with DVDs, and the consumer protection people are planning to deal with it. GOOD FOR THEM!
/. Why don't you pester your elected representatives (Or alternatly just vote at your elections rather than sit on your asses being online) ? Do you really thing Blair, Bush, *insert your leaders name here* or their aides actually read this stuff? No I didn't think so.
The film industry pundits that pushed for regioning seem to have forgotton one important point. This is a global economy! If I want to buy goods from abroad I should not be prevented from doing so. This is not restricted to DVDs. The computer console industry are just as bad too. (not that I own, or plan to own a console)
Other examples include computer hardware/consumer electronics , why in the UK can they justify selling at $1=£1 ?
We the consumer have been taken from behind by big business for so long, that big business will do anything (like push for DMCA-alikes all over the world) so they can continue walking all over "us"; Freedom of speech, constitutional and human rights be damned!
Maybe I've read too much cyberpunk, but doesn't it look like the (Mega) Corporations run things now?
*sigh* I'm tired of reading the same type of posts over and over again. Why instead of posting on
OMG! :-)
:-)
:-)
Noooooooo! I'd rather die
no, seriously
Okay, at first I thought this was going to be a half baked idea, indeed the domain hierachy is a quite sensible recommendation (personally I hate seeing domain b*st*rdisation like *.uk.com uk.*.com etc. anyhow thats a different rant altogether :-)
Reading on, store and forwarding in nodes? Sounds like another fido/uucp implementation to me... not that I disagree that high latency links shouldn't have a store or forwarding system they *should*. But if one already has a workable system, why invent another?
On a lighter note, its a good thing(tm) that people are thinking about this now rather than implementing some half-assed propriatry system.