Opening up DRM'd media so that it can legally be used in more situations by someone with a valid license is not the same as rampant piracy. Removing DRM so that consumers have a choice over how and when to use content they have paid for is a great thing.
It is regrettable that these developments are also massive boosts for piracy, but without this sort of action there would be no DVD playback on Linux.
"Don't get all worked up over me buying it to play games on it."
Umm, he's not, did you even read his post?
He's getting upset at people criticising him for playing with linux on it. That's what. That all these people pretending to be geeks are now criticising folks for playing with new things on new systems.
You want it to play games, fine, but asking why he plays with other options for it, telling him (or me for that matter) that it's stupid and a waste off time is not acceptable, intelligent or inquisitive.
What if Torvalds had rolled over and decided Linux was a waste of time because it would be quicker just to buy windows?
Its true that it doesn't have the market share of the Xbox, yet. However for most of last year it was happily outselling the MS offering here in the UK.
I love this "PS3 is a total flop" meme. It's really funny and so obviously fanboi driven.
The PS3 has sold around 60% (last I saw) of the number of units the Xbox has. It has some genuinely interesting recent developments (flower, Noby Noby boy, though I don't really get it) a decent catalog and much nicer hardware than the 360 (power, memory slots, standard USB for controllers,, BluRay, doesn't sound like an aircraft taking off) and a lot of other cool stuff. Not a flop, sorry.
I have all three, I use the Xbox and PS3 about equally and barely ever the Wii. Wii just doesn't have the sorts of games I like, somehow. And I like everything from GTA to Katamari...
I honestly don't know the penetration of the PC into the living room. There's no reason for it not to be there, with big LCDs having HDMI and VGA inputs, but I'm afraid I don't know the market.
t it would be difficult to aim for that sort of sector, but I really don't know. Not an expert!
Few to none, that's true. However I'm not aware of PC games that support multiple controllers and split-screen play. I guess it depends on your priorities.
Whilst that's true, there's no legal problem (IMHO, though untested in court) to downloading the legal firmware for a PSP and then applying the hacks/patches to it to open it up.
Not that I actually use it for homebrew. Genesis emulation and running my (owned) games from memory stick is a good enough reason for me.
PC games are fine if you want to sit in your bedroom on your own. Personally I like consoles and playing with friends/housemates who are in the same room.
Perhaps how I describe it but it isn't nonsense to anyone willing to objectively look at the science.
Well, there's what you said (and I apologise if I misinterpreted) - that it's another theory that somehow accounts for the fossil record by positing that all species developed from primordial micro-organisms without and branching or speciation - and there's what I could find from google (that bubbles in the ocean propagated early genetic material.
AFAICT your description is directly contradicted by genetic/DNA evidence. And the second thing is not incompatible with any other theory
This entire labeling something false or misleading and deliberately dishonest before even exploring them because they don't fit you mold is exactly what the problem is
Please read up on the origins of the current "ID" movement and their "thin end of the wedge" strategy, a cynical attempt to use people's loyalty to god to try and divorce them from scientific thought, in order to try and go back to some sort of simpler panacea in which people believed preachers and scripture over the evidence.
You have already shown this problem when you labeled a plausible theory as nonsense when there wasn't enough time for you to find information on it and evaluate it, your not interested in science or scientific theory
I would genuinely appreciate enlightenment on any alternate theories that can account for even a good proportion of the genetic and fossil evidence we have. I looked for bubble theory and found only something about the propagation mechanisms of either abiogenesis or panspermia, not a competing theory to evolution. Absolutely genuinely, I would love to read about it/them.
"You have already shown this problem when you labeled a plausible theory as nonsense when there wasn't enough time for you to find information on it and evaluate it, your not interested in science or scientific theory"
I did investigate, couldn't find anything. What you described is flatly contradicted by evidence.
"Any alternative is going to look like nonsense until it plays out on it's own merits."
Any alternative will have to fit the current evidence as well as (or preferably better than) our current theory. AFAICT there are no others that do this.
It appears to me they are drawing it from science itself in much the same ways I just criticized you and Dawkins for being closed minded and unscientific.
Then I would suggest you are naive, a shill for ID/Creationism or a troll. Hopefully the former as I have addressed you honestly so far. This is a religious motivation and nothing else. If they want to prevent someone from coming to say something they find offensive because of their beliefs, or prevent someone coming specifically to say something offensive about their beliefs, then that would at least be honest. There are no valid competing theories I or anyone else is aware of.
Again, if you have access to material that shows this attitude to be wrong then I would welcome it. Don't call me closed minded because I am sceptical, given that every attempt to present another theory in recent years has been a religious attack on the basis of evidence based science rather than an actual valid theory.
So you support legislative censure based on the statement of multiple valid theories because you think there could be other valid theories.
Whilst it's possible, the fact is that evolution happened. "Bubble theory" as you describe it is a nonsense, and the other competing "theores" we have now are not only false but deliberately dishonest.
And where do you think the legislature are drawing their standpoint?
Dawkins does not argue "Evolution happened therefore there is no god".
He argues evolution happened and also god is a pretty ridiculous proposition.
Big difference.
Why does the GP not understand what a fallacy is? I think it's you. A fallacy is an invalid argument. You said Dawkins makes many of these and therefore his arguments are invalid. The GP showed you that they were not false arguments and therefore you don't get to dismiss them so easily.
The point is, calling it delusional is just as not-scientific and irrational as calling it absolute truth, unless you can find proof that there is no god.
No, it isn't.
Sorry.
The philosophical question of whether or not there could be or is some sort of deity, sure, that's debatable and unprovable. Making a judgement one way or another on any sort of god, particularly a non-manifesting non-interfering god, is not possible.
BUT, making the decision that one exists, that you know what it's like and what it wants, and basing your behaviour on these, all without a shred of evidence is tantamount to delusional behaviour.
Difference being that genuine belief in god does fit a delusional pattern.
However, I don't believe that all that many christians have anything more than anything much more than a wishful thiking attitude to the whole thing and like being told that they are good people.
Multiple computers, laptop touchpads and normal mice, firefox and iceweasel.
It's a software thing. The mail client opens because sometimes (IIRC) there's a "send link" option that opens a mail client to send the link to (presumably) a friend.
As mentioned before, mouse gestures sorts it out, but it is damn annoying.
"Get it. Play it. Enjoy it. Pay for it. In this order."
Once I've played it I have no incentive to pay. That's just how I work, and many others too.
Actually, what would be great would be to go back to the shareware model. This is happening more and more with downloadable demos, even on console systems.
Firstly I would prefer the transfer not to have to involve a broker, in this case steam.
Secondly I'd prefer not to let steam set the price for selling it back, though to be fair they can't screw you any more than the bricks'n'mortar stores do. I'd like cash too, not tie-in to their network. Just because I might usually put the money towards more games doesn't mean I definitely want to do so.
Thirdly, if they allowed lending or selling to others then that would be great. Much better than selling it back to them because you then get to sell it on at a cheaper price to an actual person, and buy second-hand at a cheaper price.
Would I always buy digital? Maybe. I usually buy games mail-order anyway, and if they made these concessions to first-sale and the right of resale then the convenience would probably outweigh any attachment I have to physical media. Plus I wouldn't have to have so much shelf-space given over to game boxes.
Can't see steam, Wiiware, Xbox or PSN actually doing any of this though. In their eyes they would be expending effort to cut into their own revenue streams, and there's no government forcing them to treat downloaded games in an equivalent way to physical ones.
That said, I'm sure there will be a lawsuit along presently.
Right-click is a nightmare on linux platforms (don't know if it affects others, I'm exclusively a linux shop these days).
It randomly follows an action rather than bringing up the menu about one time in ten. Opening up email programs, choosing a new window, bringing up link properties... needs fixing, badly. (Workaround for fellow sufferers - install mouse gestures add-on)
Also it seems really really processor-hungry on one of my machines. Wish I knew why.
"I can. And neither of us worries about ever returning it."
You can lend downloaded game content to friends? How, oh great and wise one, is this acheived with steam, XBLA or PSN? Or are we talking piracy?
"I'd have a hard time to find a sucker who would buy the physical copy as well.
ebay, game stores, whatever. You can get some value back.
"I can give it away whether I'm done with it or not."
So piracy then? That's the solution?
Personally I'd like DRM free stuff that I can buy, sell, transfer etc. Until then I'll buy disks or do without (other than for cheap-ass stuff like Flower/XBLA).
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Opening up DRM'd media so that it can legally be used in more situations by someone with a valid license is not the same as rampant piracy. Removing DRM so that consumers have a choice over how and when to use content they have paid for is a great thing.
It is regrettable that these developments are also massive boosts for piracy, but without this sort of action there would be no DVD playback on Linux.
"Don't get all worked up over me buying it to play games on it."
Umm, he's not, did you even read his post?
He's getting upset at people criticising him for playing with linux on it. That's what. That all these people pretending to be geeks are now criticising folks for playing with new things on new systems.
You want it to play games, fine, but asking why he plays with other options for it, telling him (or me for that matter) that it's stupid and a waste off time is not acceptable, intelligent or inquisitive.
What if Torvalds had rolled over and decided Linux was a waste of time because it would be quicker just to buy windows?
Its true that it doesn't have the market share of the Xbox, yet. However for most of last year it was happily outselling the MS offering here in the UK.
I love this "PS3 is a total flop" meme. It's really funny and so obviously fanboi driven.
The PS3 has sold around 60% (last I saw) of the number of units the Xbox has. It has some genuinely interesting recent developments (flower, Noby Noby boy, though I don't really get it) a decent catalog and much nicer hardware than the 360 (power, memory slots, standard USB for controllers,, BluRay, doesn't sound like an aircraft taking off) and a lot of other cool stuff. Not a flop, sorry.
I have all three, I use the Xbox and PS3 about equally and barely ever the Wii. Wii just doesn't have the sorts of games I like, somehow. And I like everything from GTA to Katamari...
I honestly don't know the penetration of the PC into the living room. There's no reason for it not to be there, with big LCDs having HDMI and VGA inputs, but I'm afraid I don't know the market.
t it would be difficult to aim for that sort of sector, but I really don't know. Not an expert!
All of these do split-screen co-op? That's good.
OTOH film conversions usually suck... And flight sims never were my thing.
Few to none, that's true. However I'm not aware of PC games that support multiple controllers and split-screen play. I guess it depends on your priorities.
Well, media streaming is handled by the NSLU2 and the consoles, no need for a pc.
Checking those links I do on my eee901.
No dispute that a pc in the living room is good, but gaming? Consoles are every bit as good and the games more inclined towards co-op.
At a restaurant I don't have the option to pay (if I enjoyed it) or just walk out (if I didn't think that much of it).
It's not about mutual respect, it's about human nature. At a restaurant, if I don't pay they call the cops, different situation.
Whilst that's true, there's no legal problem (IMHO, though untested in court) to downloading the legal firmware for a PSP and then applying the hacks/patches to it to open it up.
Not that I actually use it for homebrew. Genesis emulation and running my (owned) games from memory stick is a good enough reason for me.
PC games are fine if you want to sit in your bedroom on your own. Personally I like consoles and playing with friends/housemates who are in the same room.
Perhaps how I describe it but it isn't nonsense to anyone willing to objectively look at the science.
Well, there's what you said (and I apologise if I misinterpreted) - that it's another theory that somehow accounts for the fossil record by positing that all species developed from primordial micro-organisms without and branching or speciation - and there's what I could find from google (that bubbles in the ocean propagated early genetic material.
AFAICT your description is directly contradicted by genetic/DNA evidence. And the second thing is not incompatible with any other theory
This entire labeling something false or misleading and deliberately dishonest before even exploring them because they don't fit you mold is exactly what the problem is
Please read up on the origins of the current "ID" movement and their "thin end of the wedge" strategy, a cynical attempt to use people's loyalty to god to try and divorce them from scientific thought, in order to try and go back to some sort of simpler panacea in which people believed preachers and scripture over the evidence.
You have already shown this problem when you labeled a plausible theory as nonsense when there wasn't enough time for you to find information on it and evaluate it, your not interested in science or scientific theory
I would genuinely appreciate enlightenment on any alternate theories that can account for even a good proportion of the genetic and fossil evidence we have. I looked for bubble theory and found only something about the propagation mechanisms of either abiogenesis or panspermia, not a competing theory to evolution. Absolutely genuinely, I would love to read about it/them.
"You have already shown this problem when you labeled a plausible theory as nonsense when there wasn't enough time for you to find information on it and evaluate it, your not interested in science or scientific theory"
I did investigate, couldn't find anything.
What you described is flatly contradicted by evidence.
"Any alternative is going to look like nonsense until it plays out on it's own merits."
Any alternative will have to fit the current evidence as well as (or preferably better than) our current theory. AFAICT there are no others that do this.
It appears to me they are drawing it from science itself in much the same ways I just criticized you and Dawkins for being closed minded and unscientific.
Then I would suggest you are naive, a shill for ID/Creationism or a troll. Hopefully the former as I have addressed you honestly so far. This is a religious motivation and nothing else. If they want to prevent someone from coming to say something they find offensive because of their beliefs, or prevent someone coming specifically to say something offensive about their beliefs, then that would at least be honest. There are no valid competing theories I or anyone else is aware of.
Again, if you have access to material that shows this attitude to be wrong then I would welcome it. Don't call me closed minded because I am sceptical, given that every attempt to present another theory in recent years has been a religious attack on the basis of evidence based science rather than an actual valid theory.
So you support legislative censure based on the statement of multiple valid theories because you think there could be other valid theories.
Whilst it's possible, the fact is that evolution happened. "Bubble theory" as you describe it is a nonsense, and the other competing "theores" we have now are not only false but deliberately dishonest.
And where do you think the legislature are drawing their standpoint?
Evolution doesnt support anything, it just is.
Dawkins does not argue "Evolution happened therefore there is no god".
He argues evolution happened and also god is a pretty ridiculous proposition.
Big difference.
Why does the GP not understand what a fallacy is? I think it's you. A fallacy is an invalid argument. You said Dawkins makes many of these and therefore his arguments are invalid. The GP showed you that they were not false arguments and therefore you don't get to dismiss them so easily.
Problem with that?
"thank you for proving his point."
And thank you for missing mine. He's wrong.
The point is, calling it delusional is just as not-scientific and irrational as calling it absolute truth, unless you can find proof that there is no god.
No, it isn't.
Sorry.
The philosophical question of whether or not there could be or is some sort of deity, sure, that's debatable and unprovable. Making a judgement one way or another on any sort of god, particularly a non-manifesting non-interfering god, is not possible.
BUT, making the decision that one exists, that you know what it's like and what it wants, and basing your behaviour on these, all without a shred of evidence is tantamount to delusional behaviour.
Difference being that genuine belief in god does fit a delusional pattern.
However, I don't believe that all that many christians have anything more than anything much more than a wishful thiking attitude to the whole thing and like being told that they are good people.
Seriously? 45% really believe in ID/Creationism?
God dammit my fellow human beings are fucking stupid.
It's seriously not that.
It's nothing to do wih long clicks or delays in releasing, it really chooses one at random, even with the shortest, cleanest clicks.
I have a horrible feeling it's just FF. I've switched to epiphany on my netbook and it's a lot smoother. It's gecko based too.
I'm sure it does a lot less, but FF seems to be doing too much.
Multiple computers, laptop touchpads and normal mice, firefox and iceweasel.
It's a software thing. The mail client opens because sometimes (IIRC) there's a "send link" option that opens a mail client to send the link to (presumably) a friend.
As mentioned before, mouse gestures sorts it out, but it is damn annoying.
No, In-your-endo!
"Get it. Play it. Enjoy it. Pay for it. In this order."
Once I've played it I have no incentive to pay. That's just how I work, and many others too.
Actually, what would be great would be to go back to the shareware model. This is happening more and more with downloadable demos, even on console systems.
Interesting questions.
Firstly I would prefer the transfer not to have to involve a broker, in this case steam.
Secondly I'd prefer not to let steam set the price for selling it back, though to be fair they can't screw you any more than the bricks'n'mortar stores do. I'd like cash too, not tie-in to their network. Just because I might usually put the money towards more games doesn't mean I definitely want to do so.
Thirdly, if they allowed lending or selling to others then that would be great. Much better than selling it back to them because you then get to sell it on at a cheaper price to an actual person, and buy second-hand at a cheaper price.
Would I always buy digital? Maybe. I usually buy games mail-order anyway, and if they made these concessions to first-sale and the right of resale then the convenience would probably outweigh any attachment I have to physical media. Plus I wouldn't have to have so much shelf-space given over to game boxes.
Can't see steam, Wiiware, Xbox or PSN actually doing any of this though. In their eyes they would be expending effort to cut into their own revenue streams, and there's no government forcing them to treat downloaded games in an equivalent way to physical ones.
That said, I'm sure there will be a lawsuit along presently.
Right-click is a nightmare on linux platforms (don't know if it affects others, I'm exclusively a linux shop these days).
It randomly follows an action rather than bringing up the menu about one time in ten. Opening up email programs, choosing a new window, bringing up link properties... needs fixing, badly. (Workaround for fellow sufferers - install mouse gestures add-on)
Also it seems really really processor-hungry on one of my machines. Wish I knew why.
"I can. And neither of us worries about ever returning it."
You can lend downloaded game content to friends? How, oh great and wise one, is this acheived with steam, XBLA or PSN? Or are we talking piracy?
"I'd have a hard time to find a sucker who would buy the physical copy as well.
ebay, game stores, whatever. You can get some value back.
"I can give it away whether I'm done with it or not."
So piracy then? That's the solution?
Personally I'd like DRM free stuff that I can buy, sell, transfer etc. Until then I'll buy disks or do without (other than for cheap-ass stuff like Flower/XBLA).
Steam? DRM-less?
So when I've finished playing a game I can give it to a friend or sell it second hand? Right?
Didn't think so.