"Any third party that does not drop out and endorse one of the existing candidates (generally in exchange for concessions on their favorite issues) takes votes away from the candidate that most closely represents their views."
And when both major candidates represent a continuation of corporate rule and just-beneath-the-surface corruption?
What if your third party is all about rejection of the current hegemony of two?
Your reasoning assumes that one of the two majors is acceptable to everyone.
Login cookies, on the other hand, are easy. Read up on the recently publicised gmail (and other webmail) hack that doesn't require a password, just the cookie that's often sent over plain comms.
And therein lies the failure of democracy. It has become a fight between tribes, not aa genuine appraisal of what is best for oneself, ones country and the world.
Yeah, but look what they turned up - more evidence that republican policy is to use private email accounts for official communications in order to avoid disclosure requirements.
This being the case, Anonymous should be applauded.
"It's very hard to prove negatives (and historical events)--you know that."
But it's very easy to falsify a set of theories that make many many positive claims. Strangely nobody has managed this.
"No one has the amount of time required to test and prove it though"
FAIL. Speciation has been observed in the wild and recreated in the lab. A huge wealth of fossil and DNA evidence helps. Evolution is proven. The fine tuning of the mechanisms behind it are still being discovered. You probably get evolution mixed up with the big bang, abiogenesis and pretty much the whole of scientific knowledge and method though. A typical creationist thing, blur the terms of the debate and mix everything together.
"Counterexamples do wonders for disproving positive statements but..."
There are no counterexamples. Not a single one.
"it will take rather an elegant mathematical proof (which as I said, we are working on) to convince scientists. "
the creationist take on information theory has been discussed elsewhere in this thread and does not hold up to examination. It's just more misdirection and bullshit.
"[And, of course, Creationists have been offering counterexamples for a while a la Darwin's statement 'if it can be shown that one of these creatures could not have possibly evolved over time via a series of slight modifications, then my entire theory would fall apart'.]"
Now you're making me laugh. This is pitiful.
"The key here is that natural selection cannot 'select' a mutation unless there is a working machine to start from."
You're a very clever idiot, talking yourself into ever more incredible corners you think you can abuse to your own ends, trying to bend science and mathematics to support your insane notions. Good luck to you, but it's a doomed exercise because you're still trying to fit reality to your preconceived fairytales.
"There's actually quite a bit of evidence to the contrary."
Like with creationism, there isn't any.
"1 - The earth goes through cycles on its own."
Whoa, whoa, I thought the world was only 6000 years old, when was there time for cycles?
2 - The sun is heating up.
No it isn't. It's very quiet at the moment, spotwise, and the output has ben static for as long as we've been able to measure.
" How do you think all of our carbon emissions caused the sun to starting heating up?"
I don't have it here with me right now. It's at home. If you're not willing to take my word for it, I can't say I care that much, I've no reason to lie though.
As another example, the Neo Freerunner, in early boot presents a USB ACM interface. This is something else that "just works" on linux (as of modern kernels) but windows requires an extra driver for, which may or may not exist at this point.
I also find Linux supports legacy hardware better, which may well be of interest in Peru.
Something else I just thought of. My HP all-in-one printer, scanner, copier I have on the network (Photosmart 2575). Windows requires you download at the very least a 40MB installer, and that's if you're savvy enough to download the business version from HP's site, and not the 200+MB "consumer" version that installs god-knows-what.
On Ubuntu Linux I just went to Printers->Add Printer and clicked on Network printer. It found it and configured it straight off. Linux hardware support is really geting good, quick, comprehensive and easy.
To be honest I was more anticipating the "Who cares about a USB to Serial converter (or freerunner)? Nobody but you linux geeks" response.
I said "We're smarter than them. In the geeky, pure-intellect, tough-maths-problem way. Many of them are overly loud, arrogant and annoying. Somehow they make more money and are always travelling places and have great cars though..."
Implying that they're smarter than us in a lot of ways that mystify and confuse geeks.
"That will work only if your boss is an idiot and doesn't realize that you cost money."
No, the boss is an idiot if he doesn't grant this, so long as it doesn't put back other things you're working on. The US federal space mandates IPv6 compatibility in software, as do a lot of enterprises now.
Not every manager is constantly focused on the next five minutes. Only the bad ones.
Windows XP supports both, but in a really weird way. There's no dual stack, and if your app wants to do both 4 and 6 it has to open two listening ports, one for each.
Well, not only that, but I've got my own/8 anyway in the 10 space or/16 in the 192.168 space. NAT means my devices are not publicly addressable, which I like, so there's no real need for change.
However, we must consider that we in the western world have grabbed most of the IPv4 addresses already, and that expansion will be needed as the rest of the world comes online
A USB to serial converter i bought the other week. Just works on linux, windows XP and Vista don't recognise it and can't find a driver even when they go online to search.
"Just because the theory behind how we got here doesn't mean other theories are wrong."
if biblical creation were to be correct (how laughable!), we would have to pretty much abandon everything from biology, astrophysics, geology, chemistry (molecular physics)... Not to mention that there's no use in predictive science if the god factor might kick in at any moment and change things however he/she/it feels.
No, there is no science in a created world.
"I think that if the evolutionists and other scientists who want to prove Creationists wrong once for and for all, the evolutionists, et al. should take every argument Creationsists have (e.g., arguments involving geological evidence and biological evidence interpreted in favor of evolution, et al.) and everything in the Bible and address each one. Be the "bigger man" and address each "fact" that Creationsists use for their evidence and refute each one."
It's been done, many times over. See talkorigins.org
the thing is, you refute the creationists point and then the very next day you see them spouting teh same bullcrap again. Facts and explanations having made no difference at all.
Creationists are fundamentally dogmatic and wilfully ignorant.
"In fact, when you take a close look at them, most are in it for the notoriety"
Complete fucking bullshit.
"Most scientists do not have the time or energy to rock the boat with regards to evolution--there's just too much already invested in it (and it fits too nicely with the secular worldview which is so convenient)."
Right, so they're in it for the notoriety, divas as you say, but nobody's going to rock the boat and contradict evolution. You've managed to be inconsistent with yourself by sentence three. If there was a single scarp of evidence that contradicted, or even contraindicated evolution, you don't thinkg some "diva" would jump on it for the notoriety?
You're an idiot.
"And as for climate change-- it's simply a pivot point for the Democrats/liberals. It's a symbiotic relationship between unscrupulous politicians and scientists (who are in it for the funding)."
yes, that's all it is, because of the heaps of evidence showing it to be nonsense. Oh, wait, no, everything's pointing towards it being not only a real phenomenon but caused by human activities. The only people with a problem with it are those with a financial interest in denial.
If those arguments are about the nature of being, why we're here, general religious and theological stuff, sure.
If those arguments are being used to deceive children about the nature of reality, and win legislation on religious grounds, then no. That's where the line is. I don't care if you live in fairyland, just don't warp your kids' minds with it or force it on me.
You'll be paying a little more. After all, they know you're paying for online service already, so you're the kind of guy who'll part with a bit of cash for an extra-double-plus-good online experience. You are the primary target.
it's not like they get any of that gold account money anyway.
Not all of them, and even then there's a hell of a lot more stuff that "just works" in linux these days, without having to find a cd, or go hunting on the internets.
Some manufacturer with little to know corporate responsibility will abuse this. Another with little to know corporate oversight of their dev department will break it accidentally (maybe by putting the new guy on it). Other people will abuse it deliberately in hard hacks. Open source hard/firm/software will make it adjustable.
Bad plan, democracy, when half the expected device population is dumb and the other half abusive.
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"Any third party that does not drop out and endorse one of the existing candidates (generally in exchange for concessions on their favorite issues) takes votes away from the candidate that most closely represents their views."
And when both major candidates represent a continuation of corporate rule and just-beneath-the-surface corruption?
What if your third party is all about rejection of the current hegemony of two?
Your reasoning assumes that one of the two majors is acceptable to everyone.
Why, why does any sane individual do that, when any sane individual knows one of them will get in and the difference will be minimal?
Any sane individual will at that point play a longer game of trying to boost the chances of a new party taking off.
Login cookies, on the other hand, are easy. Read up on the recently publicised gmail (and other webmail) hack that doesn't require a password, just the cookie that's often sent over plain comms.
And therein lies the failure of democracy. It has become a fight between tribes, not aa genuine appraisal of what is best for oneself, ones country and the world.
"Does this change in the least that Gov. Palin's privacy was rudely violated with a criminal act."
Yes, it absolutely does.
She should be charged, not the crackers. They are doing the public a service by exposing a politician trying to get around disclosure rules.
Yeah, but look what they turned up - more evidence that republican policy is to use private email accounts for official communications in order to avoid disclosure requirements.
This being the case, Anonymous should be applauded.
"It's very hard to prove negatives (and historical events)--you know that."
But it's very easy to falsify a set of theories that make many many positive claims. Strangely nobody has managed this.
"No one has the amount of time required to test and prove it though"
FAIL. Speciation has been observed in the wild and recreated in the lab. A huge wealth of fossil and DNA evidence helps. Evolution is proven. The fine tuning of the mechanisms behind it are still being discovered. You probably get evolution mixed up with the big bang, abiogenesis and pretty much the whole of scientific knowledge and method though. A typical creationist thing, blur the terms of the debate and mix everything together.
"Counterexamples do wonders for disproving positive statements but ..."
There are no counterexamples. Not a single one.
"it will take rather an elegant mathematical proof (which as I said, we are working on) to convince scientists. "
the creationist take on information theory has been discussed elsewhere in this thread and does not hold up to examination. It's just more misdirection and bullshit.
"[And, of course, Creationists have been offering counterexamples for a while a la Darwin's statement 'if it can be shown that one of these creatures could not have possibly evolved over time via a series of slight modifications, then my entire theory would fall apart'.]"
Now you're making me laugh. This is pitiful.
"The key here is that natural selection cannot 'select' a mutation unless there is a working machine to start from."
You're a very clever idiot, talking yourself into ever more incredible corners you think you can abuse to your own ends, trying to bend science and mathematics to support your insane notions. Good luck to you, but it's a doomed exercise because you're still trying to fit reality to your preconceived fairytales.
"There's actually quite a bit of evidence to the contrary."
Like with creationism, there isn't any.
"1 - The earth goes through cycles on its own."
Whoa, whoa, I thought the world was only 6000 years old, when was there time for cycles?
2 - The sun is heating up.
No it isn't. It's very quiet at the moment, spotwise, and the output has ben static for as long as we've been able to measure.
" How do you think all of our carbon emissions caused the sun to starting heating up?"
YOU FAIL. AGAIN.
And remember citizen, that you're in PUBLIC, so you can have no expectation of privacy!!
Forget the fact that if private citizens try this (tracking people's movements), it's called stalking.
Project Gutenberg :)
There's a bit of a difference between "apt-cache search foo" and "hunt down a foo capable program on the internets".
Having huge software repos at your fingertips, programming tools included, is a huge benefit.
I don't have it here with me right now. It's at home. If you're not willing to take my word for it, I can't say I care that much, I've no reason to lie though.
As another example, the Neo Freerunner, in early boot presents a USB ACM interface. This is something else that "just works" on linux (as of modern kernels) but windows requires an extra driver for, which may or may not exist at this point.
I also find Linux supports legacy hardware better, which may well be of interest in Peru.
Something else I just thought of. My HP all-in-one printer, scanner, copier I have on the network (Photosmart 2575). Windows requires you download at the very least a 40MB installer, and that's if you're savvy enough to download the business version from HP's site, and not the 200+MB "consumer" version that installs god-knows-what.
On Ubuntu Linux I just went to Printers->Add Printer and clicked on Network printer. It found it and configured it straight off. Linux hardware support is really geting good, quick, comprehensive and easy.
To be honest I was more anticipating the "Who cares about a USB to Serial converter (or freerunner)? Nobody but you linux geeks" response.
Did you miss the sarcasm?
I said "We're smarter than them. In the geeky, pure-intellect, tough-maths-problem way. Many of them are overly loud, arrogant and annoying. Somehow they make more money and are always travelling places and have great cars though..."
Implying that they're smarter than us in a lot of ways that mystify and confuse geeks.
By all means continue to rant though.
"That will work only if your boss is an idiot and doesn't realize that you cost money."
No, the boss is an idiot if he doesn't grant this, so long as it doesn't put back other things you're working on. The US federal space mandates IPv6 compatibility in software, as do a lot of enterprises now.
Not every manager is constantly focused on the next five minutes. Only the bad ones.
Windows XP supports both, but in a really weird way. There's no dual stack, and if your app wants to do both 4 and 6 it has to open two listening ports, one for each.
Well, not only that, but I've got my own /8 anyway in the 10 space or /16 in the 192.168 space. NAT means my devices are not publicly addressable, which I like, so there's no real need for change.
However, we must consider that we in the western world have grabbed most of the IPv4 addresses already, and that expansion will be needed as the rest of the world comes online
A USB to serial converter i bought the other week. Just works on linux, windows XP and Vista don't recognise it and can't find a driver even when they go online to search.
"Just because the theory behind how we got here doesn't mean other theories are wrong."
if biblical creation were to be correct (how laughable!), we would have to pretty much abandon everything from biology, astrophysics, geology, chemistry (molecular physics)... Not to mention that there's no use in predictive science if the god factor might kick in at any moment and change things however he/she /it feels.
No, there is no science in a created world.
"I think that if the evolutionists and other scientists who want to prove Creationists wrong once for and for all, the evolutionists, et al. should take every argument Creationsists have (e.g., arguments involving geological evidence and biological evidence interpreted in favor of evolution, et al.) and everything in the Bible and address each one. Be the "bigger man" and address each "fact" that Creationsists use for their evidence and refute each one."
It's been done, many times over. See talkorigins.org
the thing is, you refute the creationists point and then the very next day you see them spouting teh same bullcrap again. Facts and explanations having made no difference at all.
Creationists are fundamentally dogmatic and wilfully ignorant.
"In fact, when you take a close look at them, most are in it for the notoriety"
Complete fucking bullshit.
"Most scientists do not have the time or energy to rock the boat with regards to evolution--there's just too much already invested in it (and it fits too nicely with the secular worldview which is so convenient)."
Right, so they're in it for the notoriety, divas as you say, but nobody's going to rock the boat and contradict evolution. You've managed to be inconsistent with yourself by sentence three. If there was a single scarp of evidence that contradicted, or even contraindicated evolution, you don't thinkg some "diva" would jump on it for the notoriety?
You're an idiot.
"And as for climate change-- it's simply a pivot point for the Democrats/liberals. It's a symbiotic relationship between unscrupulous politicians and scientists (who are in it for the funding)."
yes, that's all it is, because of the heaps of evidence showing it to be nonsense. Oh, wait, no, everything's pointing towards it being not only a real phenomenon but caused by human activities. The only people with a problem with it are those with a financial interest in denial.
If those arguments are about the nature of being, why we're here, general religious and theological stuff, sure.
If those arguments are being used to deceive children about the nature of reality, and win legislation on religious grounds, then no. That's where the line is. I don't care if you live in fairyland, just don't warp your kids' minds with it or force it on me.
Oh don't worry.
You'll be paying a little more. After all, they know you're paying for online service already, so you're the kind of guy who'll part with a bit of cash for an extra-double-plus-good online experience. You are the primary target.
it's not like they get any of that gold account money anyway.
Not all of them, and even then there's a hell of a lot more stuff that "just works" in linux these days, without having to find a cd, or go hunting on the internets.
I'm sure it's possible, but it sounds like a recipe for device warfare, not cooperation.
This is exactly why I use asbsetos food wrap and drink only out of cups made from coal.
Cheers, I think my brain's going odd. I *know* that, but somewhere between brain and fingers it got lost.
My first thought too -
Some manufacturer with little to know corporate responsibility will abuse this. Another with little to know corporate oversight of their dev department will break it accidentally (maybe by putting the new guy on it). Other people will abuse it deliberately in hard hacks. Open source hard/firm/software will make it adjustable.
Bad plan, democracy, when half the expected device population is dumb and the other half abusive.