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"Anonymous" Hacks Palin's Private Email
netbuzz writes "'Anonymous,' best known for its jousts with Scientology, has apparently hacked Sarah Palin's private Yahoo email account. Contents, including sample emails, an index, and family photos, have been posted by Wikileaks, which calls them evidence that the GOP vice presidential candidate has improperly used private email to shield government business from public scrutiny." Note that there is no easy way to tell if the material on Wikileaks is genuine or a hoax. Update by J : Genuine.
Attacking Scientology is one thing. We all know that it is a crock of crap. However, when somebody hacks a VP candidate, the FBI and Secret Service will react strongly.
Translation: Wikileaks has been down for hours.... Wonder why?
"Be light, stinging, insolent and melancholy"
...must change passwords asap. No wait. Doh!
Pardon my ignorance, but who is this Sarah Palin, and why is she in the news all of a sudden?
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
She's kind of got this whole hot milfy soccer mom look to her. I'd jam my cock into every orifice of her hot little body.
The only VP candidate I'd ever spank it to.
So far only two emails, some personal photos, a contact list and some inbox screenshots have been posted. Nothing incriminating.
Fight the power.
The password was "lipstickpig".
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/group-posts-e-m.html
It has been confirmed by her campaign and Amy McCorkell, the sender of one of the emails that has been posted.
This might be the first time the Secret Service has encountered the Streisand Effect.
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Ok I followed the link. It's not a rickroll.
I am Sarah Palin here. My password is obamasucks.
...is mostly known for posting their dicks on /b/.
she's the mother of a famous hockey player.
Note that there is no easy way to tell if the material on Wikileaks is genuine or a hoax.
But it sure provides powerful blackmail opportunity for someone who holds the well-documented other end of the email exchange. It has been noted that Sarah does have a predilection for hiring former high school classmates. What do they have on her?
If you post it, they will read.
Note that there is no easy way to tell if the material on Wikileaks is genuine or a hoax.
Wired has confirmed from one sender, Amy McCorkell, that the displayed message from her to Sarah Palin is genuine.
good , time to see what the lady has been really stealing er up too
C'mon guys. We all know that e-mail isn't very secure. I personally don't have anything in any of my e-mail accounts that I would be concerned about anyone else reading -but I'd still be offended if someone posted it public.
This is in poor taste.
Since when is it 'hacking' to guess that her email password is her zip code? You can't hack stupidity and ignorance.
Sarah Palin is proof that there is no glass ceiling for women, as long as you're not ugly, have fufilled your reproductive obligations, don't have any actual power, will be subordinate to a man, seem clueless, and hiring you will keep a black man out of the white house.
I keep reading from a variety of sources that using personal email means surely she was hiding things from public scrutiny, from possible subpoenas, etc.
Okay, if you see proof of illegal activity in her email, then she was likely hiding it. But the public can't read her work email either. Using personal email does not necessarily prove motive or wrong-doing.
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famed for its exposure of unethical behavior by the Scientology cult
yah, 30+ years after it was known to the general public.
Sacred cows make the best burgers.
Why it's real:
Why it's a hoax:
that a right-wing country-bumpkin would be using 'yahoo'.. who woulda thunk?
This wouldn't have even been an issue if she'd used encryption.
Maybe high-profile leaks like this will help convince the public at large that encryption is beneficial, even if you aren't doing anything wrong.
The society for a thought-free internet welcomes you.
This is a really good reason why they should NOT be using their private email. Sure, using the government systems opens them up to having their corruption on record, but having it on something like Yahoo mail opens it up to something like this, potentially exposing WAY more information than that. Not that government email is unhackable, but I'd certainly expect it to be at least a little bit more secure.
When you use a private account to conduct public business, it really seems just that the account suddenly becomes a public one.
My employer gives me my own e-mail address to use for work and my work and personal e-mails never end up in the wrong account. For anything else to happen would be more than a simple mistake.
If this is true, I think it's possible that Anonymous has just painted a gigantic bulls-eye on a free internet.
I am all for ferreting out corruption, but what I worry about is how many will paint this: "Terrorist Rogue Hacker attacks Vice Presidential Candidate."
What limits are there on privacy now? I hope I am wrong.
She should have been using Hotmail.
HEY TOM CRUISE!!!!
If you're reading this, then I tell you that your hokey sci-fi, pseudo-religion CULT is a crock of crap.
And I also think you're a faggot weenie too.
So there.
PS: Your acting sucks too.
I tend to put myself in other people's shoes, and here I definitely feel I would feel miserable if my e-mails and family photos were exposed to the world. Not because I have something terrible to hide, but just because it's such a cruel thing to do.
Slashdot readers and posters are very big on privacy - well, this is one grave (and I think extremely insensitive) breach of a person's privacy.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
it occurred to me the other day, the real reason for McCain choosing Sarah Palin has nothing to do with her leadership capabilities, its that she distracts people from the horrible failures of the Bush presidency. If the pundits tongues are wagging non-stop about Palin, that probably means they aren't spending too much time talking about Bush which is good for McCain. If the American people are repeatedly reminded of what a horrible failure the Bush White House has been, and what a big cheerleader McCain has been for said administration(at least since the Iraq war anyway), the less likely they are to vote for McCain.
All Palin has to do is keep the spotlight on her for the next 2 months and McCain may actually stand a chance.
Monstar L
That "Anonymous" is an IMPOSTER!!! I'm the Real Anonymous. I'm SO gonna kick that poser's ass! You don't believe me? Look up my handle.
As noted by others, its already been confirmed, but what they got into was not the juicy gov.sarah@yahoo.com address that's the potential subject of investigation, just her personal yahoo address. Since then though, both gov.palin and gov.sarah have been removed - pastebin.com/f652c44fb.
I can't believe she gets so little spam at yahoo. My yahoo account is overrun with spam, even years after I've stopped using it. She's definitely paying someone off...
I really wish that they would post most of the messages and their contents online. I think it would be very interesting to see the quality (or lack) of thought in her communications with other people. In the one sent sample in the zip file, it seems like she might actually be a little nutty. great.
Password was Lipstick or Mooseburger?
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
Recover password. Enter date of birth and zipcode. Happy hacking.
Let's see, hackers break into her personal email account... and SHE's the one "improperly using private email"???? Right...
Sure, they CLAIM it's "evidence" blah blah blah but a first year law student would know that regardless of the content it would be inadmissible in court because it was obtain illegally. Given that, the only conclusion is that this is yet another pathetic attempt to try her in the court of public opinion which was, is, and always will be a crock of excrement.
The site's either been Slashdotted, or the Secret Service has had the people who run it killed. In either case, you can see the article via the Coral Cache if you want.
This is no fun, you mean I don't get to DoS anyone this time?
'For the horde', 'We are legion', and all that jazz...
No?
While this is clearly unauthorized access, what law would be used to prosecute?
It's not a governmental or official account, it's personal email.
Nothing of "value" was stolen (remember, this is private correspondence), and nothing seems to have been added or destroyed.
Obviously, if this were US Mail it would be a crime, but it's not. It's email, which is far less protected.
I suppose one might claim that using your zip code for your password is really not much more secure than ROT13, and wouldn't necessarily pass muster as a strong defense, but clearly these people did not have Palin's permission (everyone with tin foil hats and their hands up - no, I don't think this isn't a political stunt).
So, /. non-laywers, what offense would this fall under, what are the punishment guidelines, and what is the case law?
(sorry for posting anonymously...I'm not on my PC and don't feel like logging in)
Not even one gratuitous "And then the idiots not only believed me, but then cheered wildly!! Can you believe what incredible morons they are?"
This seems to spell out why, besides being able to avoid public oversight, someone shouldn't be using private email accounts to conduct government business. Shouldn't the bigger question be, why was she using a private email, accessible from any public network, that more easily exposed the people of Alaska, as well as herself, to hackers?
1. Anyone hacking into anything should be shot.
2. If this happened to The One or Hilliary, 90% of Slashdot would be shitting their pants with indignation and outrage.
3. It's funny how the left is always whining about privacy but they seem to be the worst when comes to invading it.
http://pastebin.com/f652c44fb
The "something or other" suggested is conducting public business using private email. For Federal officials, that's illegal, because it amounts to hiding your paper trail. Don't know if Alaska has a similar law for State officials, but even if it doesn't, hiding her actions is not what you'd expect from the reformer Palin claims to be.
Of course, even if proven, Palin will just add these charges to her list of Things That Never Happened, like her initial support for the Bridge to Nowhere.
that Sarah Palin is a Scientologist KGB operative!
Fuck Scifags! Ms. Palin is hot, I would totally fuck her.
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"McCain-Palin 2008 Campaign Manager Rick Davis: 'This is a shocking invasion of the Governor's privacy and a violation of law. The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these emails will destroy them. We will have no further comment'..."
When someone does this sort of hacking/eavesdropping/snooping to a government official, it's called "a shocking invasion of...privacy and a violation of law."
When the government does it to you, it's called the "Patriot Act."
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket." -- Eric Hoffer
If I were to leave my job, my employer would have an awfully strong case for getting access to my email to see what if anything there might be the company's.
This would seem to be no different to me. If a government employee uses their personal email account in the course of doing their job, then that email account becomes important to their employers.
Now, the method used to gain access to the email here is suspect, but I think it is the right result from the wrong method.
How come Slashdot never gets Slashdotted?
I think that I understand the reasoning of anonymous actions, in that s/he thinks Palin is doing wrong, and s/he wants to call attention to it.
This may just backfire, and generate support for Palin, thereby defeating his actions purpose. Indeed, this type of attack could even be used as a method for generating support by Palins camp.
The end is not justified by the means, and these types of attacks should not be pursued, either by the attacker, nor by the readers of such "information".
..........FULL STOP.
So, if she lied in the investigation about using personal email for business purposes (I don't know if she's been deposed, and if she has been what she said), wouldn't she be be guilty of perjury if this exposure is valid?
Since Clinton was impeached for perjury about lying over a sexual liaison, I would think lying about official email usage would qualify.
This could, indeed, get interesting. (and not in a good way - no matter which side you're on, this kind of corruption hurts America no matter which party gets caught at it)
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Guess what? You can't legally imprison government officials either — but they can do it to you... Because they are, uhm, government officials. Get over it.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Some group doing this is not helpful. All it is going to do is give Republicans a rallying cry for even more draconian laws governing email and the internet should they get elected in November.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
I don't like Palin or the entire McCain campaign in the least... but how is this even remotely acceptable? We cry and bitch and moan about warrantless government wiretapping, yet when some group of a-holes breaks into an elected official's personal email account and posts screenshots on the web, we see it as just some more dirt on a candidate. The best word that describes that is "despicable."
Mark this as flamebait all you want, but people running for public office have constitutional rights too. I've always considered Anonymous a bit shady in their dealings, and this justs seals the deal.
Matt Damon or Lindsey Lohan would do the same to you, if you tell them, Obama is a crock... With Barbara Streisand singing a notch lauder to drown your screams...
Seriously, there is a good reason, Romans considered entertainers to be among the lowest class of citizens — above only prostitutes... They weren't even allowed to serve in the regular army units.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Evidence obtained in violation of the law may not be used against someone, even if the person violating the law is not acting on behalf of law enforcement.
Can't get to the wikileaks site, but if the summary is correct, then this is interesting because in Florida, with the Sunshine Law, this could result in her prosecution. In Florida you cannot conduct, or even discuss, government business in private.
http://www.fsne.org/sunshine2005/news/history/index.shtml
For example, W. D. Childers went to jail for discussing government business in private.
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/08/State/Ex_Florida_Senate_pre.shtml
Not sure if Alaska has something similar.
"You cannot find out which view is the right one by science in the ordinary sense." - C.S. Lewis on Intelligent Design
Congratulations to whomever is responsible for breaking into Mrs. Palin's email account.
You just guaranteed that McCain/Palin will win the US presidential elections in November, by demonstrating that there is no low that the Democrats will not sink to. You've managed to piss off a great many ordinary Americans and give them evidence that Democrats can't be trusted with a burnt-out match, much less control of the US government.
We Republicans have done an excellent job of losing the elections in 2008, and thanks to you we're going to win in spite of ourselves.
Thank you once again.
She uses FIREFOX! I'd vote for her!
rewriting history since 2109
1) Yahoo e-mail account
2) Password was her zip code
3) Prominent public figure
4) No attempt to disguise her identity in the user name
Are the over 30 year olds really that stupid? This is stuff I'd expect from my grandmother, not a governor/VP candidate.
The sad thing is the media isn't going to note that her behavior was unsafe. Instead it will be the dirty hacker's fault, nevermind that the account has likely been "hacked" several times. Even if it hasn't it sure as hell would be if this info wasn't made public and the account was shut down.
It will really twist my nuts if:
1) Everything in the account becomes a inadmissible when an investigation of the legality of the account is conducted.
2) The issue of the McCain/Palin ticket's technological illiteracy is not brought up. Maintaining the security of your e-mail account is something every user has to be able to do, and that includes using a real password. And, no, I don't think Biden's a competant human either, but the top of that ticket hasn't really given me reason to worry, yet...
Fuck, people are stupid. But nevermind that, it's those damn tricky kids... so crafty these days!
There is no evidence whatsoever to link this "anonymous" to the "anonymous" that's protesting scientology.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Unbelievable. This is beyond reasonable investigation into this woman's background. Slashdot readers, among other sites, feel this type of behaviour can be condoned and perhaps even encouraged. I guess it plays somewhat to the geek in us, but it also plays to the adolescent perspective that seems to dog the democrats.
Its just curious that the conservative politician's email was haxxed and not the Democrats.
If the Big O's email was hacked, there would be a congressional investigation, along with the requisite charges of racism. Riots in the streets,
Why is it that Americans hate their politicians so and feel compelled to dig up dirt about persons in the public eye?
People need to stop treating Sarah Palin as a target. I know all this stuff anonymous does seems all funny and all, but you people don't know the kind of affect it has on people.
http://www.eonline.com/videos/v31601_Chelsea_Lately_Leave_Sarah_Alone.html
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This wouldn't have even been an issue if she'd used encryption.
Hear, hear. You don't need a reason to encrypt your mail beyond the fact that it is your mail. Looking at my gmail inbox, I guess you can tell something about date and time of mailing, frequency of mailing to particular addresses, and get a view into what a message is about through the subject line - and that's more than anyone should know already by just looking at my inbox. It's very satisfying to look at my gmail account and see all those encrypted messages in the inbox as well as encrypted copies to self.
Fuck 'em. If they want to read my mail, they at least have to work at it. And then suffer the disappointment of endless shit from my family about taking my Mother shopping Saturday morning. :)
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You have to remember Anonymous includes quite a few people who are just vandals and persons whom love to tear things down and cause grief. They get off on the drama and misery caused by their antics.
It's entirely likely that some scientologit did this and claimed that "anonymous" was behind it. Google for "operation freakout" for another example of the criminal nut-cult framing an innocent party for a crime.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
If ever running for political office, make all passwords 40 characters of nothing intelligble whatsoever...same with all secret questions usable to answer password, all zip codes, birthdates, etc. in these forms are something other than anything that has ever related to me...
Then just write it all down somewhere because there's no way I'll remember it all, keep it in my good friend Linda Tripp's office because she'll never do anything to betray me :-)
...in bed
Great job, guys! It's too bad she didn't have any dirty secrets on there, it seemed to be the most typical inbox someone like her could have. Therefore, you have a new assignment. Hack more crappy politicians, like McCain! Oh wait, you'd have to show him how to use the tubes first...
He's done action films!
excuse me, but she lost her privacy rights on that account right at the moment she sent the first government related email, or replied to a government related email.
the fact that we weren't in the know in regard to her violation of law, her illegal act before the hacking, doesnt make her any more right about the matter. a crime is being committed, you just dont have proof.
its like someone filming a gang operation and publishing it, and then gang coming up and claiming that their privacy rights were violated.
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I'm always spotting "Palin" in amongst a bunch of news articles on digg or whatever and thinking "oh sweet! Michael Palin!". It never is but I still get my hopes up. Kindly use her full name in summaries for people like me :)
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, watch it -- I'm huge!
Never put in writing anything that you wouldn't say [in public] [to the person's face]. It's an old adage. Oh, sure, if I ran for congress and my history here at /. got printed, I'd have some explaining to do. But, on the whole, I'm a sarcastic, dark humored bastard. If my email were released to the public at large, I doubt there'd be much of interest. Then again, I'm not interesting enough to be running for President/VP.
Of course, if I don't hear much else good from either side I may be writing my own name in this November. Either that or Bill and Opus.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
That's the number I remember from high school. We had a discussion about how old Reagan would really be when he finished up.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
the behaviour that cant be condoned is palin using her private email to DODGE THE RULE OF LAW to conduct government business like she was shopping.
that woman may become the president of u.s., god forbid. the damage that she may cause is the concern of every citizen on the face of this earth.
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Oh the howls that would come from the left if this were Obama, but leftists and other Obama supporters will sing the praises of "Anonymous", Gawker and Wikileaks over this massive breach of law. But then, no one pays attention to Obama's past--he gets a free pass from the MSM.
... I'll say it again. Palin is Cheney with lipstick. The loyalty fixation, the end justify the means attitude, the secrecy... Can you imagine Cheney as president? That's what we'll get if McCain gets elected and croaks in office.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
account recognizes
b-day 2/11/64
ZIP code 99687
for password change.
The zip code is of course that of Wasilla, Alaska.
It would seem that the republican VP candidate is at least twice as security aware as Paris Hilton. Paris' had just one security question, the name of her dog (Tinkerbell), while Palin had two extremely obvious security questions.
Of course, two times "nothing much" is not a lot at all..
Can't wait for the inevitable photoshopped/parody emails to start circulating.
but now we do.
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That the other site carrying these is Gawker ought to tell you, how low Obama's fans are willing to stoop.
I'm always amused (although in a frustrated way) at the cognitive dissonance that shows itself when matters like this arise. So there are Obama supporters who do things that one might call unsavory. Have you seen, also, the bullshit that some McCain supporters spew?
If Obama's wacko supporters mean that Obama is terrible, then McCain's wacko supporters mean that McCain is terrible. It's disingenuous to look at certain people and make broad, sweeping generalizations. "Obama's fans" include myriad different people. As do McCain's, and so on. Is it really that hard for you to see that people on both sides of this particular debate are slinging mud? I ask this in all honesty, because while I can see that there are supporters of both candidates who are less than honorable, I'm genuinely not sure that you can see that.
Anyhow, don't you think that it would make the slightest bit more sense to look at the candidates, and the people involved directly in the campaign, rather than the fan clubs?
All of Wikis Mirrors are shutdown, Uncle Sam Does not Mess around
https://s.p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/ssl/wikileak/2008/02/wikileaksorg_dns_problems_partly_censored_by_temporary_restraining_order.html
For, then you would have used your personal email to ESCAPE PUBLIC OVERSIGHT and violate citizen's rights to information and public scrutiny of your actions.
excuse me, but personal miseries or privacy or psychology doesnt mean shit, if you are trying to undo people who you are sworn to serve. anyone who does that, should be made feel miserable.
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It's not like Scientology is above framing somone for a crime:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)
Agreed. Our political leanings aside, this is just wrong. If I don't want someone looking at my email. (And I don't. Thank you GPG) then I shouldn't be going out of my way to look at someone elses. Yes, I know she's a public figure. Yes, I know she broke the law. I get all that, I really do. However, it's also wrong for anonymous to violate her privacy like that.
They had nominated Michael Palin instead!
wired confirmed that mccain campaign confirmed the hacking, and one of mail senders confirmed it was one of her emails in there :
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/group-posts-e-m.html
our summary still says there is no way to confirm ingenuity of the wikileaks material - you dont need to - mccain campaign confirmed it.
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And in other news, it appears Palin has made an appearance on a piece of toast...
Why didn't Anonymous simply get an archive of all her mail using POP or something? Maybe then we could analyse this mail with a bit more scrutiny. Some personal pictures and some silly emails aren't very useful.
If she is sending the emails to Public accounts how is she hiding them? I'm not internet wizard, but wouldn't the recipient have the email?! Wouldn't the smoking gun be let's say an email to Dick Cheney "ihuntwithguns@yahoo.com" that contained discussion on matters relating to the her work?
I mean maybe she isn't the brightest apple on the tree, and she has no idea that the communication can be monitored at both ends. Or maybe she is an evil mastermind that will get out of any probe by claiming it is in public record cause of the recipient. Either way there is more to the story.
Hacking the account of even a "nobody" is a pretty bad Federal felony. The officials are generally too busy with other things to really investigate it, but I'll bet this case has been pushed right to the very top of the stack.
SOMEONE will be doing serious PMITA time for this if they are in the USA. If not... well... they will be found here inside of 3 days.
The Feds are most assuredly not going to screw around on this hacking case.
Anybody can call themselves anonymous.
The wikileaks site seems to be slashdotted at the moment.
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
Why?
Simply because the next President and Vice President will be chosen for perhaps 50% on the strength of their respective programmes, and for the other 50% on the strength of their personality. As in "Do we feel that we can trust that person to take the helm for 4 years?".
That's why trying to dig up dirt on candidates is part of the procedure. If they can stand that test, they're either clean or adequately adept at covering up. I personally see little difference between snooping in someone's private life using private detectives and hacking into his (or her) email account.
Now whatever their political color, I think that most Americans would be Ok with McCain as a person. Nevermind his age, his health, his policies, or his party. McCain comes across as someone who won't panic in a tight corner, who won't flip and start pushing the nuclear button, who won't let his personal feelings get in the way of necessary politics, and who won't stick his head in the sand when there's bad news. You may or may not agree with his policies and his ideas, but at least he's reliably and predictably biased in certain directions.
When it comes to Governor Palin, I'm not convinced. Being a relative outsider she hasn't really had so much time in the limelight as the other candidates, so her past and personal quirks haven't been looked at in as much detail.
Personally I'm scared of having someone as VP who doesn't know what the Bush doctrine is, who doesn't know why we went into Iraq, who felt that "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't." (see http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/17/palin_mayor/). That level of ignorance coupled with that level of contempt for rules (in my view) creates a level of unpredictability which is very uncomfortable in someone who might become president on medical grounds. Such ignorance is Ok for Joe Sixpack, but not Ok for a candidate VP. If I had to choose between Palin and Cheney, Cheney would get my vote. I find his political ideas abhorrent, but at least I can trust him to have thought them through. By the same token, I find Hillary no more likeable than Palin, but at least I trust Hillary to know what she's doing.
What I can discern of Palin's political ideas doesn't appeal to me either, and I have grave doubts about her intellectual abilities.
In this respect I find the following disturbing:
(see http://www.sa
Outside of the US, there is a non-zero possibility that the issue will be handled by a stealth plane dropping a bomb on a house.
all secret services are as of now controlled by neocon shit that belongs to republican party. has been so since 2001.
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All I saw in the screenshots posted up on Wired has been delivery acknowledgements, and stuff that looks political and personal.
It's illegal to use official accounts for personal and political use. All I can see so far is that she did what she was SUPPOSED to do - separate the official and unofficial traffic properly.
If the official account had been hacked with these messages in it, then the attack would have been misuse of State resources for political purposes.
a guy served 30 years in senate, and as head of one of the most busy, most stress inducing commissions. that surely has to be a total waste.
....
he should have sit and got fat like mccain instead.
holy mother of god
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Sure, I'm happy to leave her alone -- so long as she promises to leave all of us alone. Her socially reactionary politics scare the bejebus out of me, and apparently quite a few other people too. With McCain 72 and quite possibly cancerous, a McCain win would put Palin a hop, skip, and cardiac jump from being in the driver's seat. If we're supposed to leave her alone, we need some guarantee that she's not going to do everything in her power to mold the country's society into her own warped ideal.
And so far, nothing she's said has been anything but highly alarming.
(If you were trying to be funny, sorry for missing your point -- your link just went to a generic E! list of videos, and I saw nothing specific about Palin.)
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
And thus, by conducting state business on an outside, cheapo email account instead of the state-provided one she was supposed to use, Sarah Palin has exposed state business data to hacking, public exposure in potentially inappropriate ways, and corruption of data.
Shame on her!
Karma can be a real bitch!
Go fellow democrats. Show the republicans what we really are. We can't defeat them on our on terms so let's hack them! Yay us!
Morons!
i dont get whether you are living in a parallel reality in which you have more choices or something.
...
you have 2 choices : obama. or mccain.
any sane individual chooses the better of available choices when offered.
unless you have the means to transfer a green martian to be president and magically set things straight that is
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Don't give the word more power than it already has. Anonymous doesn't exist. Anonymous is many individuals that act on a whim. Or in other words, everybody IS part of anonymous if you refuse to show your identity.
Also, no, anonymous is not only /b/. It's everybody.
Given her track record of cutthroat competition and back-room politicking, you can all but guarantee that just about the first mistake McCain makes that could get him impeached, she'll be the one leaking the information. "To protect the people's interest" of course...
She'll do just about anything that she can to gain power.
But, yes, there does appear to be a mixing of private and job related emails, which is not supposed to happen.
The amount of paranoia, hypocrisy, cynicism and lack of critical thought here (both the action and the majority of posts) is astounding and somewhat depressing. She is just a person. It is possible to show some respect at that level? Happens to be on a bit of a Forest Gump ride. Could happen to anyone. She is either incompetent, in which case all the "evil secrecy paraonia" crap is unjustified, or she is quite competent and all this muck racking is just a cheezy way of not truly challenging the beliefs you are clearly so afraid of. How much are you a participant or even active agent in this circus? Hacking like this is an invasion of privacy. Hyperbole aside about the Patriot act. Get a clue about ends and means, think harder about what you really believe in.
as of this moment you should be getting concerned about how your candidate wantonly tries to evade the rule of law, and violate your rights.
but morons like you deserve such candidates though.
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Has anyone been able to access ANY of the Wikileaks mirrors? I've made it through about half of the list I found, but none of them are working. Some do come up, but they're just recently domain parked or squatted.
Any news? Any at all???
Bravo, Anonymous!
First Scientology, now you're fighting the corrupt attempt of a government official to shield her official state business from scrutiny...
I think we ARE seeing the freedom fighters of the future here.
I had to report this is Ireport from CNN http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-88988 everyone leave a review please...
Someone who at one end believes in Creation (therefore rejecting the very science that gives us - unfortunately - nuclear weapons, and the ability to refine petroleum products as well, not to mention explaining their very existence in a way the Bible (oddly!) omits) - and at the other end believes in an imminent Apocalypse (more irrationality). You would put the fate of Civilisation past present and future in their hands?
you had me at #!
Am I the only one who thinks this stinks of a Scientology setup? They've been known pose as their enemies and send fake threats to government officials before. They might not be above hacking Palin's email account and trying to pin it on 4chan and Wikileaks.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
I can't believe that the Anonymous that protested against Scientology is doing this. We should form a mob at their next protest and beat them.
Ruaro, Randall P (GOV) Draft letter to Governor Schwarzenegger / Container Tax Thu, 8/28/08 12KB Read
Ruaro, Randall P (GOV) FW: DPS Personnel and Budget Issues Tue, 8/19/08 11KB Read
Ruaro, Randall P (GOV) Court of Appeals Nominations Sat, 8/16/08 11KB Read
Nizich, Michael A (GOV) another records request Fri, 8/15/08 5KB Read
Nizich, Michael A (GOV) FW: CONFIDENTIAL Ethics Matter Thu, 8/7/08 5KB Read
Remember... ZG9uJ3QgZm9yZ2V0IHRvIGRyaW5rIHlvdXIgb3ZhbHRpbmU=
There's a posting here from someone that observed the entire episode:
The story behind the Palin e-mail hacking
Pre-emptive warning: it's a partisan blog, but the explanation is quoted in full.
Short version:
The original cracker attributed his /b/ posting to another yahoo.com address. He claims to have done all this through a single proxy, but admits that he is a bit scared of the FBI at the moment.
No fan of celebrities either, but have you you ever seen Sean Hannity's America? Check out his bits on Holy Water and weeping statues. If you're not laughing hysterically, then you're his target audience. God help you.
or is wikileaks down? I keep getting a Time Out error every time I try to access it
Quit whining. This is helping your canidate. The more the republicans distract from real issues with this tabloid crap, the less people are concerned with real issues, like Bush's War or health insurance. This is a gift to McCain, not Obama.
I guess I should mention that Randy Ruaro is Sarah Palin's deputy chief of staff.
Remember... ZG9uJ3QgZm9yZ2V0IHRvIGRyaW5rIHlvdXIgb3ZhbHRpbmU=
sounds like she is acting like a typical self-righteous neocon nutjob. looking at the stuff, it isn't all that evil, but she obviously thinks she is better than anyone else. The neocons will vote for her, that is the point.
good work anonymous
Or maybe your equation of !atheist == stupid is wrong, Einstein.
>> 4) No attempt to disguise her identity in the user name
Are you new to the internet? You've never seen firstname.lastname@randommail.com used before?
- sigs are for wimps.
...if it were me doing the hacking I would only have posted it if it revealed some kind of malfeasance. Being no saint myself, I'm willing to give Anonymous the benefit of the doubt. Wish I had the skills and courage to do something like that if it seemed in the interest of full disclosure.
-- thinkyhead software and media
Actually I think the likelihood she was duped by phishing is greater. It'd be much easier to phish a yahoo account than brute force its password.
But Palin is a public menace even before she gets her hands on nuclear weapons.
Imagine, something scarier than Dick Cheney. Just as ugly though.
you had me at #!
As a Canadian I have almost zero interest in this but I do need to ask: "Has anyone looked at the domain affixed to the the supposed Sean Parnell email?" The domain is not owned by the state of Alaska but by a media outlet in California. Emails that come from government sources usually have the core state domain: in this case "ak.us" I dunno about anyone else here but it just doesn't seem to add up. In this case I would have to call foul. There really isn't enough evidence. IF Palin was actually using this email address for business there would be a lot more traffic in the account. Funny enough almost all of the email subjects say "Hello". Unless somebody is sending me spam I can't remember the last time I received an email with the subject line "Hello"
Feminists all over the spectrum from Gloria Steinem to Jessica Valenti decry the insulting tokenism of Palin's appointment. In many ways, there could not be a more abhorrent candidate from the point of view of women's rights.
you had me at #!
A couple of the images have been Coral'd:
I noticed that her sent items mailbox is blank. Deleting government emails and their responses is a clear violation of standard record retention policies. In a legal case, failure to keep records of emails is seen as a clear violation(same as willfully destroying evidence) and in a legal case, would result in a loss of said case or a summary judgment against you.
Where are the responses?
P.S. I deal with this in RL - keeping *everything* in case of a future legal challenge or in this case, a document/information request if you are a public official is well known and considered mandatory in business and government.
http://pastebin.com/f652c44fb
Her abuse of public powers belongs in the public domain.
Palin promised cooperation with the investigation, before "Keating 5" McCain found out she's just as "maverick" as he is.
"I can't imagine how things could get any worse!" (some guy) "That could just be failure of imaginatioÂn on your p
Just undoing mistaken moderation.
I want the person with their finger on the button to think that they're going to murder billions, not send them all to happy fluffy fucking cloud world.
POTUS is no job for someone with a world view that's more conservative than the one espoused by the Catholic church.
ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
Val Kilmer might be running for governor of new mexico. In the news right now.
you owe your ass to them. they have shown you the potential vp (hell, even presidential) candidate of your country wantonly ignores law while conducting government business - YOUR business.
you owe infinite amounts of ass to them for saving your sorry single ass from living under such a shameless power abuser for the next 4 years.
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Ok someone tell me what /b/ is?
you dolt.
what you said basically means 'richard nixon had the right to withhold the tapes he was recording from watergate scandal investigators - because they were a private affair'.
its stupidity at its best.
this woman purposefully used a private email in order to avoid investigation of her conduct while doing government business - PEOPLE'S RIGHTS. constituents.
apparently she doesnt recognize constituent rights or anything - her rights are what matters, not theirs. she thinks she can wantonly ignore laws if it suits her.
there can be no privacy or rights in doing this.
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Yup anym. is prob from other countries or in Palins case. And I quote,'
"I CAN SEE RUSSIA FROM WHERE I LIVE!"
anonymous is not even remotely associated with obama.
and karl rove isn't running McCain's campaign. you are ignorant.
They're using their grammar skills there.
Driven
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Palin is trusting, which based on where she lives, is plausible. I heard most people in Canada don't bother to ever lock their doors. Using your zip code when the e-mail is self identifying is kinda stupid though.
People justifying this is bullcrap though, if someone walked into your house and started snooping around while you were taking out the trash, you'd want them arrested. Think of an web e-mail account as a free apartment. You don't own the property itself but what is inside is still yours (at least until you move out).
People sometimes forget the correct government e-mail account but remember the personal account. They send it to your personal account. There's no "undo" for sending e-mails unless you are under a MS exchange server. You tell them to stop doing that next time you see them in the hallway. This isn't her sending stuff out from the account, this is her receiving e-mail.
I hears anonymous likes scientology now.
"Contents, including [...]family photos[...]have been posted by Wikileaks, which calls them evidence that the GOP vice presidential candidate has improperly used private email to shield government business from public scrutiny"
Riiiiight... I can see how hacking someone's email account and publishing their private photos is proof of their misconduct... Not!
You people are sick. I bet if anyone were to do this sort of thing to Barak Obama we wouldn't hear the end of it from left-wing nutcases. You sure showed us who the real "oppressors of freedom" are, didn't you? Keep up the good work!
They crossed the line.
If she had her e-mails forwarded to her yahoo account, would this be less of an issue?
That's absurd, I don't think that Republicans deserve equal treatment, their beliefs are just too damn insane.
Which is why I don't support the Democrat party or Obama.
I really appreciate this Slashdot. Wikileaks is DOWN. the horror, the horror !
this was not an act of /b/ or anyone on 4chan. this was ebaums world trying to be /b/. end of story.
Cryptome has a copy of the wikileaks posting.
http://cryptome.org/palin-email.zip
Wikileaks and all of the mirrors are down.. some are hosted out of the country.. does anyone else find it chilling the reach of the government onto the internet?
This story is going to fade away..
Year Zero
not mars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_and_Kodos
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
There's no evidence that Anonymous was behind the epilepsy thing, and many have suggested that Scientologists did it to discredit Anonymous.
And what evidence is there that Scientologists did it? Sauce for the goose and all that.
Sure Anonymous was behind the epilepsy thing, it may just be a completely different Anonymous from the anti-Scientologists and a completely different Anonymous from the one responsibly here. No single groups owns the name, and even if they did they could hardly enforce that ownership.
I know this because I am Anonymous!
http://cryptome.org/palin-email.zip
It's pretty clear the majority of Anonymous is for Obama. I would even put this down to the demise of /n/. moot just couldn't take Obama getting trashed any more because moot is supporting him.
Obama's well documented intentions on firerarms preclude me from ever voting for him ever in one million years.
Maybe if Palin didn't think this was a partisan witchhunt and that she was going to get a fair shake, she'd be more forthcoming. But the fact is it's Obama-supporting Democrats going after her for political reasons.
And oh, BTW, not everyone agrees that you have a right to see your Governor's or your President's work e-mail. There is the concept of executive privilege, that if people can't give an executive candid advice without seeing it posted in Wikileaks, they won't give it. So, you want Barack Obama or John McCain not to be able to get candid advice from their advisors after the election? You really think your political heroes - FDR, Lincoln, Ron Paul, whoever you worship - didn't say things privately that would make them look bad?
This fear that one's private thoughts and actions will be exposed to the public does not lead to better government. It leads to government officials (and future ones) playing it safe, not "thinking outside the box," not joining controversial groups like the ACLU or the Federalist Society, for fear their e-mails will be subpoenaed in some partisan show trial or Senate confirmation hearing.
I have a friend who I used to have fabulous political and legal talks with. But now he is a federal judge, and will no longer commit such thoughts to e-mail, for fear of having to answer to Joe Biden or Chuck Schumer in some future confirmation hearing. That's who we want running government: dumbed-down, play-it-safe, non-controversial thinkers out there, bland vanilla, risk-adverse, PC types. When we get Bush v. Kerry in an election, don't ask why better people don't run for office.
This is all a larger part of a problem Pat Buchanan has recently pinpointed: The criminalization of politics. Now anything a politico does is suddenly indictable. These activities used to be just rough politics as usual, but now they are criminal. Whether it's Watergate or Iran Contra or Lewinsky or firing US Attorneys or blowing intel on WMD (or did you forget the Cuban Missile Crisis?), all things presidents have always done. Now it's all impeachable or indictable or at least show trialable. And have we really gotten better government for it?
It's funny, Slashdotter's howl when, God forbid, an employer wants to read their work e-mail, test them for drugs, or judge them based on their Facebook page. But God forbid an executive wants some private, candid advice.
Slashdot "libertarians": Small government for me, big government for those I disagree with. -1, I disagree with you
"no publicity is bad publicity"
Spoken like someone who knows nothing about marketing. One of the first things I was taught in my marketing classes is how that is a crock.
Bad publicity has bankrupted companies, people and countries. It's drove people to suicide. There IS bad publicity.
It's too bad they missed out on the opportunity to play with her before revealing the hack. They could have sent forged mail from people she knows to draw out some incriminating information or edited her address book so that outgoing messages would be intercepted in newly minted webmail accounts.
Someone went through the password recovery dialog and was able to guess answer "Where did you meet your spouse?".
Can someone give me the rationale for those password recovery mechanism that are usually far weaker than the passwords themselves? They seem like such a blatantly bad idea, that I must be missing something in failing to understand why they exist at all
Prime numbers are exactly what Alan Greenspan says they are -S. Minsky
Interestingly hacker did not managed to find any smoking gun which most of her opponents here failed to notice in their hatred of the woman. In fact he turned out to be a complete idiot. Once he decided to help Obama by illegal means, he should have added some fake compromising email so it could have been "discovered". Palin turned out to be honest public official. So in the end it only has proven again, that Democrat supporters will cheat, lie, do anything legal or not to steal this election. The empty suit is losing public support, so his supporters must really worry about his prospects. How about generating 1960 typewriter memo about some "crime" of Palin. Just don't forget to write it again on the modern word processor.
JAM
Obama's got as many scandals around him. If a Republican had been a patron of Reverend Wright's church for 20 years, his candidacy would have been over. The media would never let anyone forget it.
However, Obama's a Democrat. Even more, he's a black Democrat. They were so desperate to elect him that they turned on Hillary Clinton (even Matt Drudge got in on the act) and disenfranchised her millions of supporters, even though she won the popular vote!
It was two things: a thirst for power and a desire to disgrace Bush's exit from the White House by electing a Democrat. So Republicans chose the most un-Bush Republican and a woman for VP. Democrats found out Obama had gotten a free ride of hype for two years and had never been challenged--now he's no longer the celebrity.
For crying out loud, even the Senate has tightened up for Republicans. I don't know why Democrats always assume the public is going to flock to them just because they're Democrats...this is usualy the point in the election where they start getting bitter and insulting Americans for being dumb because they're not voting for THEIR guy.
"Sufferin' succotash."
Noted feminist Lindsay Lohan.
Personally, I believe that she might have had it "hacked" so she could "delete" her account. You know, the account that has all the evidence being sought for the investigation being conducted on her in Alaska. The NYT reported that she used her "private" email for business because it was not subject to either freedom of information requests OR subpoenas. She recently refused to cooperate with the "troopergate" investigation that started before she was even mentioned as a VP candidate because, she said, Obama operatives had parachuted into Alaska and were trying to discredit her.
Color me shocked. I had thought all potential candidates for high public office were vetted for having ever used a PC attached to a network directly. Plausible deniability is what aides are for. That's why aides filter your email, and "interpret" it over an encrypted voip line for trivial stuff, and important stuff is conveyed in person directly without witnesses.
That's why they know nothing about tech issues. Getting plugged in is just too dangerous to your public career.
And while I'm at it, why isn't "Special Prosecutor" a permanent position? Do we have to go through the farce of pretending we're not going to investigate phantom coverups of every President, Vice President, the candidates for same, and supreme court nominee from now until the end of time? We could save the bucks on the turnover and we'd get faster amusement process just by keeping a pair of teams on permanent staff.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
If Palin were a moderate more traditional type of christian I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be this kind of fuss, after all there are plenty of examples of previous candidates (successful and otherwise).
OTOH, if say Biden was a _moderate_ Muslim I can see the GOP being all other him for the same reasons... then again a muslim vice-presidential candidate is about as likely as a black president or a female president... Oh Wait! :-P
It is both unfortunate and ironic that the United States' sociopolitical life is so dominated by something which its founding fathers were at great pains to explicitly single out as something that must be avoided at all costs. Of course the founding fathers were blinded by their enlightenment thinking into believing that religion could be reduced to the status of a personal system for moral guidance whereas the great majority of human history shows that, it is first and, in some parts of the world, foremost a political and legal system; Halakha or Sharia anoyone?
The doctrine of separation of church and state maybe etched in legal stone, but within the minds of the polity it is very blurred indeed.
At first I thought citing Matt Damon as a source was just another Team America reference about uppity actors, but then I read what he said. Holy shit. How you believe we originated really matters on whether you should have control of nuclear codes? Considering recent results from politicians with experience, I think I'll go for the hockey mom.
Andy Warhol got it right / Everybody gets the limelight
Andy Warhol got it wrong / Fifteen minutes is too long.
I'm a "fundamentalist" Christian (watch my karma go down :-) ), however, I don't believe I am a nutjob. I believe that many people who claim to be Christian today don't act like it, and thus, our country has a bad impression of Christians.
While there are a few issues I believe being a Creationist would have an effect on, for the most part, I'm not sure what would be entirely different. Some issues are not entirely Christianity-related, but opinion-related.
There a host of other issues out there, but that's where I revert into state's rights :-). That is because I believe the Founding Fathers intended a system based on the rights of states, and the citizens.
Too bad, you know, if you actually LOOKED at the screens, you'd see that, although they're between people with whom she's interacted with politically, they're of more of a personal nature (as in "Hey, hope your campaign goes well, praying for you" and "Don't let those negative ads get you down") rather than the "public business being conducted privately" scandal you all seem to think this is. Plus half the subject lines consist simply of "hello". Wow, what a scandal.
Sure, those people shouldn't be using their government e-mail addresses to contact Palin privately, but that's their own mistake for not having a private e-mail address, and not Palin's. I think that's where the confusion is coming from.
Somebody's posted a link to a mirror of the Wikileaks download, now why don't you all download it and actually look at it instead of immediately assuming that it is what people are trying to say it is.
I will admit one thing. The hackers at Anonymous who did this have guts. Doesn't matter if it's just one private email account. You piss people off who have friends in high places and they'll crush you. I'm not talking about putting you in jail, that's too obvious. Most likely, if these guys are actually found (I would not like to have the secret service after me), they'll bleed dry in the courts, they'll never be able to get a decent job anywhere in the US for the rest of their lives.
>> PS: Your acting sucks too.
"Magnolia" (by P.T. Anderson) removes all doubt about badassity of Tom Cruise as an actor. He's just unbelievably good in that movie.
at least one person on that ticket knows how to use em
Still none of these sites are available. There's obviously another story here. Why are these sites down? Are they simply overloaded? That would be a story all by itself. I think not, however, because if they were, that would imply that at someone was able to read the information posted, and we'd be seeing excerpts, etc. So who wiped out wikileaks? How? And by who's authority?
And as others have asked: why is tapping Sarah Palin's email such an egregious crime, when eavesdropping on the rest of America is OK? If she has nothing to hide ... oh wait.
If high government officials expect to have any authority when it comes to enforcing the law, then they damn well better start respecting the law themselves.
Today, The Onion provided a glimpse into the GMail Inbox of the other major candidate.
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
The emails may or may not be all that interesting (probably are a bit) but that all the Wikileaks sites have been taken out shows that the US government is able and willing to take out websites at will. Stupid 1st amendment. Even better is that a government agency took out websites for a political purpose.
Those who hacked her account broke the law and I hope they get to spend a few years as Bubba's girlfriend. And BTW, all the tinfoil hats around here who get twitchy when they see an AT&T truck in the neighborhood ought to be screaming for blood about now. They certainly would be if the hackers had targeted anyone other than a right-wing politician.
Ok, let's forget about the partisan debate for a second and call this election for what it is... in a time of pretty steep national crisis we have picked the worst candidates to represent the respective parties...
I mean, there's no one with any real executive experience on either ticket. Sure, Palin has some as governor, but if Obama would have had some brains and put any Democratic governor from a state he needs to win on the ticket, Palin's "experience" becomes a joke.
This is my sig.
Is going to get a LONG stay in Club Fed. Alaska also has very strong privacy laws. Also, "reporters" who knowingly published them better be lawyering up.
Corporatism != Free Market
I would expect hackers to post more than a screenshot. If hackers did it, where's the text dump? Has Anonymous actually accepted responsibility?
It's convenient that the email account got deleted, when she's under investigation. If the text is never published in full, she could benefit far more than she loses by this.
Bullsh&t,
Of course there's an easy way to tell,
Sarah Palin can authorize Yahoo to release a certified copy of her email account in total.
It's easy and fool proof.
Part of the way a democracy ensures openess is to punish closedness with rumor.
You don't like rumor - be open.
That's the rules and they ain't nuttin hard about it.
Sarah Palin does not use Yahoo Mail. Alaska has their own domain name and Sarah Palin was accused of using government email and that email is gov.palin@yahoo.com that anyone could have created instead of governor@alaska.us.gov which looks more like a government email address.
Anonymous got very sloppy on that one, created a fake Yahoo account and fake AOL and other freemail accounts pretending to be her friends and emailing "chain letters" to her. The style of writing of many of those emails looks like The Daily Kos, Kuro5hin, IWETHEY, and other liberal web sites participating in creating fake accounts to do a smear.
I ought to know as I created fake accounts on those liberal web sites and know of others who have done it as well, and then got mad at me for doing it much better than they did. I was Donald Trump and other figures and used them to troll them back when they created fake accounts to troll me and others. I quit doing that, but seems they are doing what I got accused of doing. I have experience in these matters, so I know how to spot fake accounts better than most people.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
It wasn't the password, it was one of several questions on Yahoo's password recovery questionnaire.
ob. Schneier:
http://www.schneier.com/essay-214.html
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Is it me, or are the domains "disappeared" now?
That government executive you talk about is employed BY and FOR the people so the people should know everything about what they do at work.
And you will then get leaders who can't get candid advice from their staffers, who will instead pander to the dumb public, rather than telling their bosses what they need to hear. And you'll get bad governors and bad government.
This idea that you have the right to essentially place a YouTube camera in the Oval Office is ludicrous (you don't), and it will lead to playing to the camera, instead of doing their jobs, i.e., the Judge Judy effect.
Oh, and nice mod abuse whoever modded grandparent "flamebait." Who did I flame exactly? Unbelievable.
Slashdot "libertarians": Small government for me, big government for those I disagree with. -1, I disagree with you
The Anonymous Impaler will likely be uncategorically, alphabetically, flatteringly IMpaled for such treachery. Shame! Shame! (sarcasm off)
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
now Anonymous made Palin look like a victim of vicious liberal hacker attacks and this has swung more Liberal voters over to McCain as they think Obama put them up to it.
When Matt Damon did that "Dinosaurs lived 4000 years ago as creatures of Satan" smear attack on Palin it made more Blue Dog Democrats support McCain in the polls because they thought Obama put him up to it.
Obama is not behind these smears, it is the Ultra-left Wing of the Democratic Party on The Daily Kos, Kuro5hin, IWETHEY, Moveon.org, /b/, and other liberal web sites and blogs as well as Hollywood actors and actresses. If they really wanted Obama to win they would just STFU and let Obama cover the issues and how he will fix them and McCain won't fix them. All the Ultra-Left Wingers are doing is scoring "own goals" in this politcal soccer game.
Like when they faked that Palin in a bikini holding a rifle, it made Palin more popular with the male population because she had an 18 year old body with her 35 year old face Photoshopped on it.
These smear tactics and smear web sites only sabotage Obama's campaign, because he promised he isn't a politician and does not do smears. So either Anonymous doesn't know what they are doing, or they are really McCain supporters and want to torpedo Obama's campaign and get four more years of Neocons in the White House?
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
This probably is a different set of people than the Scientology protesters. Sure, they're part of the same loose collection, but it's not like Anonymous is some exclusive club or anything. In fact, I think the whole point is that just anybody can call themselves Anonymous.
I guess a lot of people really don't grasp that they didn't even initially start out as a group with a name, it's a moniker slapped on them by some idiot at Fox News. All these activists, miscreants, hackers, and anarchists are only linked by a few humor websites they go to, and many of these "shenanigans" are pulled off by one or two people rather than a large group anyway.
Think of it like this. If somebody blows up a market in the Gaza Strip, we're going to hear that it was a terrorist attack, which of course it was. But what sort of terrorist? Al Qaeda? The PLO? Maybe just some guy fed up with the struggle? It's not really accurate to lump them all together.
'The activist group called "anonymous," best known for its jousts with the Church of Scientology...'
Activist group. What has this come to?
Palin herself used "gov.sarah" in one of her e-mail addresses, but the hackers targeted her "gov.palin" account. Her husband used "fek9wnr" in his address. "Fe" is the representation for iron, and "k9" is an abbreviation for canine. Todd Palin was the winner of the grueling Iron Dog snowmobile race, and "fek9wnr" also is Todd Palin's vehicle license tag in Alaska.
It wasn't immediately clear how hackers broke into Palin's Yahoo! account, but it would have been possible to trick the service into revealing her password knowing personal details about Palin that include her birthdate and ZIP code. A hacker also might have sent a forged e-mail to her account tricking her into revealing her own password.
someone who belives in creationism should not be an (old) heartbeat away from the football.
You mean like Obama, who as an avowed Christian by definition believes in a Divine Creator? Or perhaps like JFK, LBJ, RMN, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and both Bushes.
Your comment reveals ignorance, intolerance, bigotry, irrational fear, and hate... and I'm not talking about Palin.
Turns out it's better to avoid email if you're famous and you value your privacy.
Does this strike anybody as similar to the Watergate break-ins? Time for somebody to hack Obama's account; then we'll see the uproar about privacy.
> Would you condone the same type of tactics in digging up Obama's past?
They've already done that. Unless you believe that people were trawling through videos of his former church just for fun.
I don't know what you mean by "all locked up" but anything he published is probably out there somewhere, though you may have to go to the university library for it and people may not have kept decade-old syllabi. In other words, I don't think any of that stuff is "hidden" so much as no one knows where to find it.
But there ARE people digging. It's called "oppo research" and both parties are quite good at it. You might not be able to find all their stuff online, but they make use of it whenever it suits their purposes.
following that link is the smartest thing i've done in weeks
Unethical? Yes - without doubt. I wouldn't even consider doing it myself. Illegal? Is it? What laws actually protect the integrity of a free email service? Is it regarded the same as snail mail?
I am unable to log in to any of the links for wikileaks and i tried with tor and other proxys. does anyone have a working link or a way to access the data from leaks?
I love it! A whole post, consisting of nothing but a long Python quote, gets modded "5, Insightful". I love it!!!!
And all these years people thought I was just trying to be funny!
Lemon curry???
Anonymous, in addition to being responsible for 85% of all quotes ever made, is the source of 91% of all internet truth and justice and 12.56% the daily recommended dosage of Vitamin Q. Anonymous is void of human restraints, such as pity and mercy. Those who perform reckless actions or oppose Anonymous will be eliminated. Failure is not tolerated. Enemies are to be dealt with swiftly and efficiently. Anonymous must work as one. No single Anonymous knows everything. Anonymous is everyone and noone. You are. I am. Everyone is. Anonymous is humanity when the gloves come off.
Then nothing has been violated. We just got the transparency!
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This is not the same "Anonymous" group that attacked the CoS. In fact, calling the people that do these kinds of things a cohesive group is really naive. The culture that surrounds anonymous image boards has qualities that resemble that of a mob and a research group simultaneously.
It starts like this. Someone posts a bit of information that catches interest. This could be the address of a Scientology building, or the fact that Palin has a yahoo account (which was reported a while ago on major news outlets). This interest leads to prodding around. In Palin's case, her email was easily compromised, as the answer to her security question (What is your ZIP code?) was public knowledge. Finding out about the email address, finding the name of the email address, checking the security question, finding the answer, and attempting to reset the password are all separate actions likely performed by different people without the knowledge or encouragement of the others.
As much blame could be placed on Palin for using Yahoo to conduct official business as is being placed on this invented enemy of democracy for exposing this. Palin should be thankful that this hole was exploited without anything damaging being released.
This Yahoo account would be a great opportunity for another country to Blackmail a VP candidate (or) if this hadn't been revealed until she became VP well.....
I've worked in Government, and I'm aware that backdoor politicking comes with the territory for job advancement, one reason I probably won't work there again. The responsibility is to the public. The public trusts you to work *for* them to benefit them. This is the case whether at some low level job, management or as a political figure. In doing this: 1) Behind the scenes outside of public record 2) Under lax security 3) Communicating with other members of government under these pretenses is absolutely disgraceful. Ripe for blackmail if there's damaging e-mails, photos or other accounts. More than anything its an erosion of public trust.
Whatever happens in the election, I hope that all politicians will be reminded of their civic obligations. Then again, it probably won't. And I'm wouldn't doubt the democrats are doing it too.
Besides, the CIA is definitely not known to often intrude into other countries' businesses....
Don't quote me on this.
Anonymous is dead. I saw his tomb. He was a soldier.
Palin is the candidate of the Republican party. The party that has been in power for the last 8 years and is responsible for MASSIVE, illegal surveillance. So we might be reading her mail now, but they've been reading all of ours.
Okay, so Slashdot doesn't believe in using "hacking" to refer to ingenious programming or coding techniques, and doesn't give a rats ass about the jargon file. I get that; I accepted that.
But if we're going to use this term to describe breaking into computer systems, do we really need to be so generous as to allow "guessing the security question" to be included under this term? What's next, "hacking MySpace"?
And Anonymous? Please, lets not let this stuff get to their heads any more than it has. You're just encouraging them!
Okay, okay, I know: I should just give up on Slashdot.
Stop being a bunch of dumb shits. Yes, I'm looking at you Slashdot editors!
Surely the most serious issue here is not whether a private email account was hacked or whether Sarah Palin tried to hide things from scrutiny, but the fact that she is putting government information - potentially sensitive and confidential - on a server outside government control. If this was a private company, she would probably be dismissed. It isn't much different from taking your work laptop computer home and leaving it in your car, something that usually has serious repercussions if it gets stolen.
This is something that should worry most American citizens - that and the fact that she seems to be even more ignorant about and less interested in international affairs than Bush. I really don't understand why it is that America keept electing politial leaders based on whether they appear to be good parents, "likeable" or good enough liars to look sincere when they talk about God. shouldn't they be elected for being good leaders, who have the knowledge and wisdom to handle the task? Who have the best interest of their people in mind? Who, in short, are aware that they are public servants and not divinely appointed kings?
Anyway, this is democracy, and America will get the leader they need; if you elect the McCain/Palin team, apparently you didn't learn the lesson with Bush and need another lesson.
This is starting to look like a Karl Rove setup job. Most of what I have seen is fairly meaningless but it keeps her in the media spotlight and portrayed as they want her to be
- Poor Sarah those mean lefties are picking on her.
Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
by the secret services weren't committing a crime.
Palin is. Even if all she's done is use her Y! account to mail her staff at the government address for personal messages.
It's illegal and unethocal (and Palin lied to the investigators) if she used that account for official communication.
But the 42,000 taps made by the NSA were for 41448 people who have committed nothing wrong. Out of the rest, no more than one or two were committing acts that fall under the control of the remit for the tapping.
So they won't seize her computers they'll just ask and believe her when she says "no, I'm not using my private email to conduct government business" and leave.
This doesn't work for the plebian, nor for the powerful who have annoyed the more powerful.
They should now seize her computers and undergo investigation to retrieve all emails on that account. They won't, they'll spend all their time looking for the "perpetrator" of this attack.
Attacking Scientology is one thing. We all know that it is a crock of crap. However, when somebody hacks a VP candidate, the FBI and Secret Service will react strongly.
It's not because the guy who did it was lurking and posting in places where "Anonymous" resides, that it's the same people that attacked Scientology...
Criminals refuse to identify themselves....
Sports at 11....
An SQL query goes to a bar, walks up to a table and asks, "Mind if I join you?"
I think since we should have full discloser Senator Biden should release all his email on his personal email accounts (if he has any) during the same time period.
Does it matter if she's sent emails to .gov addresses? Those will be public record anyway
I don't like Palin and I think it should be ok to spy on people I don't like!
I know who's "Anonymous"! It's Ted Danson!
Lighten up, "have you ever heard of Skara Brae on the Orkney Islands? Occupied from 3100 BC and with advanced sewer system." No, I haven't and doubt many others have either, and as much as that information will help me sleep better at night knowing all those people could crap hygienically I think next time you watch a film you should maybe not analyse every detail to extremes. Next you will be telling us that Brian wasn't the messiah just a very naughty boy.
Got proof of that?
I heard that the hack was easy, they just guessed her password: whitewitch
shit is going down and anon just did an amazing thing.
go 4chan
You should know that.
Her Password was "popcorn" people...... Anyway, since it was a yahoo account and they technically own the account, there was never a crime against the Gov only Yahoo correct
the consumer, contrary to popular opinion, is not always right
The consumer is right, but the problem is that we've screwed up our educational system K-12, among other things, by arguing over ideological lines rather than practical ones. Extreme liberals want to fill classrooms with a bunch of white guilt stuff about slavery, the indians and the holocaust, and extreme conservatives, want to teach about Jesus. Well, here's the problem. Jesus and the Holocaust are all well and good, but they don't help kids learn how to do anything useful.
The biggest shortfall in our engineering right now is that kids actually aren't learning how to make things and be comfortable doing so from an early age. Every classroom needs to have legos and blocks for the younger ones, and in high school, you need to have CNC machines, CAD systems, chemistry labs and in the very least, every school district should have an electron microscope. People only believe in all of this earth is flat gobbledygook because all the tools that science has may as well be on another planet too, but if you put all of this stuff in kids hands, and from an early age... many can learn to think like engineers and scientists because they will be engineers and scientists. I know this sounds expensive, but, I am all for capping federal spending on entitlements for the elderly so that we can, instead, really just load up on our schools. I have no problem with a redistribution of wealth in education because it is in the best interests of the money'd classes to have smart people to someday become stewards of their corporations, rather than the retards that we have to day.
I mean, just imagine a classroom where you integrated engineering with algebra and then calculus so that, people can grasp and visualize things. You could easily show multiplication as an area and a volume problem with legos and show how calculating lets you know much material you need before you make it. You can use smaller and smaller blocks to plant the seeds of understanding limits and then calculus and then work in building shapes out of various curves and using the calculus to know how many blocks you need. Kids can learn about atoms and molecules by actually looking at them in an STM, and could have real chemistry sets and real motors and real generators and yes, lets cap lawsuits against public schools because some kids are going to get hurt playing with this stuff, but, such occasional injury is the risk that we have to accept to become a society of learning how to do things. But, at the end of the day, a young man or woman coming out of high school should have built their own electric motor, their own internal and external combustion engine, their own simple logical gate, their own computer, and synthesized a couple of different kinds of complex chemicals. I mean, I think teflon is something you could make.
None of this is even really out of the ordinary from what Americans had a century ago. Kids back then worked on farms and so got a good sense of how to fix things and make things because well, there wasn't like a Best Buy you would just return something too and things were so valuable that you just couldn't throw them away to get a new one. We need to put the positive aspects of that environment in place too.
Also, we really need to stop it with this first amendment crap taken to an extreme and get all of the junk off of the media. Parental responsbility is all well and good, but just about everyone is a parent, and you know there is a larger societal responsibility to not be programming ourselves with a steady diet of bad human behavior, violence, and smut.
This is my sig.
She may mixing business and pleasure(how I have no idea) but remember that when you take office , any gov. office you have ridiculous hours and are always on call when something goes wrong. You can't separate the two, your life become the position you have chosen to take. When they say that she is mixing her personal and professional life, I am expecting something like using gov. funds to hire herself strippers every night or something....not using her private cell phone to make a call to a gov. official (which may possibly be because she could not reach another phone in time...?)
I am extremely disappointed at the perpetrators of this publishing Palin's contacts' email addresses. If she was using a Yahoo! account for state business then she should be reprimanded for it but the fact is that even the POTUS may want to send personal communications to friends and family of a completely private nature that should be off limits to anyone but the sender and recipient. A politician discussing state policy is doing state business but a friend asking for advice on how to handle a problem teenager simply is not public business. Her friends and family don't deserve what they are certain to get as a result of their addresses being made public. I am sure that even now every one of those email inboxes is being bombarded with email, probably to the point that they are rejecting new email for being too large. I really feel for Bristol; the garbage that is certain to be arriving in her inbox must be simply horrible. A good friend had an accidental pregnancy at 17 and believe me, girls in this situation are already having enough problems that they don't need to world to say word one to make things worse. I suspect that every one of her contacts will now need to get a new address because somebody else violated the law and Yahoo's rules.
Politicians put themselves in the spotlight by running for office but their families are no part of this. While I oppose Obama and almost everything he endorses, I would be equally upset if his mailbox were hacked and his contacts' emails were exposed. Michelle and Todd and all these candidates' kids simply don't deserve to have their lives invaded because somebody opposes their parent/spouse.
You might also want to consider that the current Republican Administration currently owns controlling shares in the largest insurance company in the country, as well as two major investment bankers.
Don't forget the mortgage business as well -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have been pretty much nationalized in all but name.
I wonder these people are in the same group that vandalized the GOP office in Sarasota, FL
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
quoted from http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/17/the-story-behind-the-palin-e-mail-hacking/
should clear up some things. also, if you read the comments it seems the perpetrator is really fucked now... 20 year old son of some democratic rep from tennessee
" I missed the original incident, but monitored the discussion and repostings afterward to see what I could learn about what had happened and who was responsible.
There are several misconceptions and errors in most accounts of this story, including your post. Most significantly, the perpetrator(s) were not members of an infamous group of hackers. I donâ(TM)t blame you for misunderstanding this, because in all the media coverage regarding the war with Scientology the media has completely failed to explain what Anonymous is.
Anonymous is not exactly a group. It is people using the umbrella of a web discussion board for cover to be as offensive, funny, strange, or whatever as they want.
Hereâ(TM)s the short version: there is a site called 4chan.org. It is an image posting site based on a popular Japanese site. The site contains multiple boards, each of which is dedicated to a particular subject. The most notorious of these boards is called /b/. /b/ is the board dedicated to random images. /b/tards, as its denizens are called, are interested only in their own amusement. Their sense of humor runs the gamut from sick to cruel to merely strange. Lolcats, as made famous by http://www.icanhascheezburger.com, originated on /b/. A lot of memes start there. There is a lot of racist humor â" pictures of excited and happy black people in proximity to fried chicken abound. There is a lot of pornography. Sometimes itâ(TM)s child pornography, although posting that is moderator grounds for banning â" no, itâ(TM)s not a pedophile ring; /b/tards post it because they think doing so is funny.
4chan does not log participants. Most people donâ(TM)t use or have usernames, and post instead as âoeAnonymous.â And every so often, a number of /b/â(TM)s anonymous denizens decide to make somebodyâ(TM)s life hell. Sometimes itâ(TM)s a random person who offends /b/â(TM)s sense of propriety. Sometimes itâ(TM)s a forum dedicated to a serious topic. Sometimes itâ(TM)s Scientology. And Tuesday, it was Sarah Palin. Or it would have been.
Sarah Palinâ(TM)s email account was hacked by one person. Not a group.
This person read her emails, then posted the username and password on /b/. This happened at about 4 in the morning on Tuesday. The idea was that the sea of Anonymous /b/tards would download the emails, upload porn, and cause all manner of mischief. Anonymous is not a group of hackers. Anonymous is more like gremlins. They are hyperactive adolescents in search of amusement and joy, which they often get by upsetting people and making messes. Thatâ(TM)s what was happening here. Anonymous did not hack the account. A hacker tried to throw Sarah Palin to Anonymous. Not all of Anonymous was having it. One person threw a crowbar in the works. Other /b/tards were displeased to miss a chance at the lulz. The moderators stepped in. The thread was deleted.
Later, other individuals created threads reposting screencaps of emails and the inbox, and put together a collection of these files. All mentions of these were purged by the moderators. So then some bright /b/tards decided to email what little stuff they had to the media.
Thatâ(TM)s pretty much it.
This afternoon, in a thread that was later deleted, an indi
I heard this on the news today, Palin's campign reported they were "outratged by the blatent violation of privacy" when Anonymous hacked her e-mail (go Anon!). However, the government spys on EVERYONE on the Internet. They probaly have every e-mail Palin has ever sent.
So why should it be any different when her private e-mails are relased online? The government already invades her privacy...
I wonder if they got to them....
Ok this is new...some guy named Kal Korff is claiming he found out exactly who did this using something called "nanobots"
Its on his lame ass website www.kalkorff.com
smells like BS to me
"Maybe high-profile leaks like this will help convince the public at large that encryption is beneficial, even if you aren't doing anything wrong. "
And if you are? No one here has discussed the ramifications of that choice so far.
The whole "Security question" idea is a flawed way of providing security. A majority of websites use generic questions, like "What's your mother's maiden name", "What was the name of your first school teacher", "First pet's name?", etc.
If someone were to simply provide the REAL answer to these questions, it's remarkably easy to use social engineering to extract the information from someone. Anyone could find out your mother's maiden name! Public records! First teacher's name? Old yearbooks.
It's very easy to do this with an average person - but a politician whose entire life has been reported on, blogged about, and put under the public eye - makes it a whole lot easier. Her entire life story is on the Internet and on TV! All one has to do is do some Googleing... and the information is right there.
We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget
And hacking into her personal account (assuming that this is legit) is not illegal? Give me a freakin break!
I'm still not convinced that these are real, or at least staged. I've had a yahoo account for years that was only set up for using the IM, I never used it for any real emailing. Right now I have over 4000 messages in the inbox, all junk, and another 4000 in the spam folder. With stats like that on an unused account, something just doesn't seem right on an active account.
Even my "professional" email account gets more spam than her, and all that has been used for is sending resumes to employers when I was job hunting and setting up accounts on legitimate websites.
I'd expect that a personal account would be tied to other things like online accounts, subscriptions, etc...and being a government official she would probably be on some things like this, and there is nothing. Yahoo's spam filter just isn't that good to make her inbox that clean when an unused account is full of crap.
Matt Damon
have a mirror of this data. If it was stout enough to have wikileaks taken out, then there must be something they really did not want us the people to see.
If this data is that secret, it would be instant go to gitmo card.
I thought this was interesting. Apparently, the "hackers" used Ctunnel.com to proxy to Yahoo! mail accounts, and everything they did is completely traceable.
640YB ought to be enough for anybody.
Easily hacking someone's email account to prove a violation of government laws regarding personal email = bad
Getting a computer tech to help you hack someone's computer account and recover files to prove ethics violations = OK
http://www.itbusiness.ca/IT/client/en/Home/News.asp?id=49774
One of these is wrong.
pot... meet kettle
I've tried to explain to my friends that one's position on human life status is only associated with religion thanks to the media and that the real question is one of mental models of fetal development.
Unfortunately, most people don't build a mental model. They just look at popular platforms, and if they're religious they feel they should fall neatly into one bucket, if not, they should fall into the other.
Your mind is clear / The things that you fear / Will fade with how much you / Believe what you hear
This thread is now about tanks.
Why then is McCain tumbling in the polls? Why is Palin's favorability tumbling? Why is Palin's unfavorability now higher than that of McCain, Biden or Obama?
Are you so certain this pick was brilliant?
Hey there DaveV1.0 --
I'm not trying to justify the hacking at all. My reply was in response to techsoldaten's, which stated simply that we should leave Palin alone, which presumably includes any critical view of her at all. My reply was written from the perspective that anyone running for public office had better be up for some serious scrutiny.
As to the morality of the hack, I'm still sifting through this one to some extent. Regardless of *who* gets hacked, the hacking itself is troublesome. Given that this is a public figure who has apparently been using the now-hacked account for devious shenanigans, my general impression is that *both* Anonymous *and* Palin should be prosecuted. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that.
While personally thankful that the hacking exposed otherwise hidden illegal and immoral behaviour that the public indeed deserves to know about, I am also concerned that letting Anonymous off the hook would prompt a black-/grey-hat fishing expedition to hack everyone's accounts in the hopes of finding something juicy, which is effectively no better than having the NSA tapping everything -- and neither is acceptable.
To extend a thought experiment a bit, though, the questions of "to hack or not to hack" and "to tap or not to tap" have only two fair answers, one of which is very uncomfortable for most people -- either no one should be hacked / tapped / surveilled, or everyone should. Either we should know no one's hidden business, or we should know everyone's. However, in real-world terms, since the powers that be will never accept letting everyone else into their business, the only approach even marginally realizable is privacy for all.
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
"The bottom line is that both Obama and Palin have been at their presidency-qualifying jobs (Senator & Governor) for less than four years."
Hey, good: you got the talking points memo.
Let's compare Obama:
Columbia grad (Pol. Sci.).
President of the Harvard Law Review (Harvard Law grad).
Wrote a bestselling book on race relations in the U.S. that also won a Grammy for "best spoken word" in 2004.
Taught Constitutional Law at U. Chicago Law School for 12 years (1992-2004).
Illinois Senator 1997-2004 (where he was the Chair of Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee).
U.S. Senator 2005-present (garnering 3,555,586 votes)
Palin:
B.S. in Comm. Journalism from U. of Idaho
3rd place in the Miss Alaska contest.
Sports reporter for KTUU-TV.
City council of Wasilla, AK (pop. 6300) 1992-1994 (garnering 530 votes), and 1995-1996 (garnering 413 votes).
Mayor of Wasilla, AK (pop. 6300) 1996-2002
2002-2006, various political appointments in AK
2007-2008, Governor of AK, the 47th state by population, garnering 114,697 votes.
How any of the right wingnuts can say "Sarah Palin has more experience" with a straight face is comical at best, and desperation at worst.
Shoutz to the hacker for posting her daughters phonenumber!!!
1-907-982-9061
What exactly does password security mean to you?
It means I decide whether I'm more worried about losing the password or more worried about getting hacked. If the latter, I choose a "gobbledygook" password and get very irritated when the site then asks for a "security question" which, if I were to follow the instructions and type in the name of my dog or the city in which I was born, would drastically reduce the level security offered from 62^L possibilities to a mere few thousand likely choices.
I don't mind if the site alerts me that my chosen password isn't very secure and I won't take offense at hints on how to make it better, but dammit if I choose a bad password anyway don't mess with me. And don't, don't, don't render the security meaningless with a "security question" that you had to resort to asking because your regular password rules were too complex for folks to deal with.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
Despite all the discussion about how naughy Palin is for using a private email account to hide the secret conspiracies and bad things she is emailing about, the point remains that the hackers got full access to her account and FOUND NOTHING.
ahhaah Bristol's phonenumber is listed in the inbox!
even better- her default password for the voicemail is 9999
The story behind the Palin e-mail hacking
By Michelle Malkin â September 17, 2008 07:31 PM
This afternoon, I mentioned an infamous group of hackers whose Internet bulletin board was the gathering place for those who bragged about and publicized the Sarah Palin private e-mail hacking.
A tech-savvy reader who monitors the hackersâ(TM) site e-mailed me a detailed explanation of how it went down, who was responsible, and how someone with a conscience warned a friend of the Palin family of the crime (language warning):
I missed the original incident, but monitored the discussion and repostings afterward to see what I could learn about what had happened and who was responsible.
There are several misconceptions and errors in most accounts of this story, including your post. Most significantly, the perpetrator(s) were not members of an infamous group of hackers. I donâ(TM)t blame you for misunderstanding this, because in all the media coverage regarding the war with Scientology the media has completely failed to explain what Anonymous is.
Anonymous is not exactly a group. It is people using the umbrella of a web discussion board for cover to be as offensive, funny, strange, or whatever as they want.
Hereâ(TM)s the short version: there is a site called 4chan.org. It is an image posting site based on a popular Japanese site. The site contains multiple boards, each of which is dedicated to a particular subject. The most notorious of these boards is called /b/. /b/ is the board dedicated to random images. /b/tards, as its denizens are called, are interested only in their own amusement. Their sense of humor runs the gamut from sick to cruel to merely strange. Lolcats, as made famous by http://www.icanhascheezburger.com, originated on /b/. A lot of memes start there. There is a lot of racist humor â" pictures of excited and happy black people in proximity to fried chicken abound. There is a lot of pornography. Sometimes itâ(TM)s child pornography, although posting that is moderator grounds for banning â" no, itâ(TM)s not a pedophile ring; /b/tards post it because they think doing so is funny.
4chan does not log participants. Most people donâ(TM)t use or have usernames, and post instead as âoeAnonymous.â And every so often, a number of /b/â(TM)s anonymous denizens decide to make somebodyâ(TM)s life hell. Sometimes itâ(TM)s a random person who offends /b/â(TM)s sense of propriety. Sometimes itâ(TM)s a forum dedicated to a serious topic. Sometimes itâ(TM)s Scientology. And Tuesday, it was Sarah Palin. Or it would have been.
Sarah Palinâ(TM)s email account was hacked by one person. Not a group.
This person read her emails, then posted the username and password on /b/. This happened at about 4 in the morning on Tuesday. The idea was that the sea of Anonymous /b/tards would download the emails, upload porn, and cause all manner of mischief. Anonymous is not a group of hackers. Anonymous is more like gremlins. They are hyperactive adolescents in search of amusement and joy, which they often get by upsetting people and making messes. Thatâ(TM)s what was happening here. Anonymous did not hack the account. A hacker tried to throw Sarah Palin to Anonymous. Not all of Anonymous was having it. One person threw a crowbar in the works. Other /b/tards were displeased to miss a chance at the lulz. The moderators stepped in. The thread was deleted.
Later, other individuals created threads reposting screencaps of emails and the inbox, and put together a collection of these files. All menti
Anyone else unable to get to wikileaks? It has been down since sometime last night. I tried a bunch of other domains/mirrors and ip addresses but all of them are down. Anyone know whats up?
I haven't yet seen the material posted on Wikileaks nor know how U.S. law is written about state officials email correspondence being public records but if the law is anything similar to Canada's and she did use her personal email address for state business; then I agree with everyone stating that her personal account should fall under the same laws that her state email address does and be public records.
If the allegations about her purposefully and knowingly using the personal account to circumvent public record laws then she is a criminal and should not be holding public office nor be a candidate for VP.
If the allegations are not true then she is simply an idiot.
OT: I know this is off-topic, but I've been looking for just such a tool for a while. I use "Classic Yahoo! Mail". Yes, I know. There's better out there, but I've had it for so long, it's been easier to keep using it than to change. And, fear of irrecoverably destroying e-mails when I do try to switch over.
I just took a spin through the available screens and tabs (again) and did not see anything that would allow me to download my entire Yahoo mailbox to my local PC. If I could do THAT (and do a restore from the D/L, too), then I'd feel more comfortable about exploring other e-mail apps.
Ideally, I'd like to download everything: e-mails, address book, folders, and the like.
So, how DO I download a copy of my Yahoo mailbox? What have you used and what problems, if any, did you run into?
First Moveon.org er ah Anonymous did Fake Sarah Palin quotes and many of those quotes are in the fake emails.
Then The Daily Kos er ah Anonymous did a Photoshop of Sarah Palin in a bikini holding a gun.
Then IWETHEY and Kuro5hin er ah Anonymous did fake Twitter and chat logs pretending to be Sarah Palin
Now all of the Anonymous groups tag teamed and joined up to create a fake Yahoo account and spam some of Sarah Palin's real friends and family members to think it was her new email address and then wrote fake emails as well to make it look real. They got her friends and family and trolled them with the fake Yahoo account.
I know because I used to be a member of those groups when I worked for a law firm and they told me to do those things or get fired. When I refused to do those things anymore they did whatever they could to stress me out and make me quit. When that didn't work they fired me for being sick from all of the stress they put on me.
So the only retard is you and others who think all of that is real and not faked by Anonymous.
Anonymous got Bush elected in 2000 and 2004 by doing the same pranks for lulz, now they will get McCain elected in 2008 by doing the same thing. If they don't want that to happen, they'd better quit right now and let Obama speak for himself on the issues. Because of the campaign sticks to the issues, Obama will win hands down. If more smear tactics and fake accounts are used, McCain and Palin will look like the victims of the Obama/Biden campaign that is up to ditry tricks again like Slick Willy and Moveon.org use as well as Hollywood phonies like Michael Moore, etc.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
last name 'Coward'?
I can't help but be amused that the mainstream media is getting its first real taste of /b/tards. Welcome to the Internet that you've ignore over the past decade of your "discovery of the Web", reporters/op-ed writers!
It's been confirmed that one of the emails was real. That doesn't prove that none of them were faked. But this is /. and we're not talking about God, so we don't need irrefutable proof.
People, wikileaks was not slashdotted, it was taken down (blocked in the U.S.) as a result of this investigation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks#Hack_of_Sarah_Palin.27s_Yahoo_account
I am very surprised that this isn't making a your rights online splash on slashdot, because China, the Scientologists, the CIA, and several others have tried and failed to take this site down.
If a Republican had been a patron of Reverend Wright's church for 20 years, his candidacy would have been over. The media would never let anyone forget it.
Right. That's why it was only the #1 media obsession for a couple of weeks, followed by Obama giving a major speech regarding it and other racial matters. Because the media dropped the ball on it. Your complaint is with the voters, who insisted on not caring as much as you think they should have, not the media.
People, wikileaks was not slashdotted, it was taken down (blocked in the U.S.) as a result of this investigation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks#Hack_of_Sarah_Palin.27s_Yahoo_account
I am very surprised that this isn't making a your-rights-online splash on slashdot, because China, the Scientologists, the CIA, and several others have tried and failed to take this site down.
This is a dirty trick to discredit Anonymous. Anonymous is a single issue organization opposed to Scientology, they are not politically campaigning against the Republicans.
To state the obvious, your nick gives your belief system away and at least reduces your credibility in commenting on religious matters. A conservative view doesn't equal radical and by no means infers anyone would be more likely to use nuclear weapons.
But I guess now they're going to shut off the internets. Clearly the internets are full of evil doers.
They are arguing about it here and they do post on Kuro5hin and other sites that Orion mentioned. They even name the snitch that gave up the password. They admit to creating a bunch of bogus emails. A lot of comments got hidden to get rid of evidence and Rusty had to delete some comments and that diary might get deleted as well to hide Kuro5hin's part of it.
(though this practically goes without saying) ...yes, obviously anti-abortionists here, as in most places, are heavily anti sex-education, anticonception (condoms and pills could be a lot cheaper if part of the price was covered from gov funds, and there was such project...but no go) and premarital sex generally.
Meanwhile number of children who have children skyrockets...
One that hath name thou can not otter
"...just painted a gigantic bulls-eye on a free internet."
Uh, how so? Illegally breaking into a private e-mail account will have what repercussions on an "open" internet?
"I am all for ferreting out corruption"
By whom and by what means?
Activists such as the Anonymous group often by definition have an "end justifies the means" mentality.
You don't support that mentality in law enforcement or the judicial system, so why do you support it in individuals?
"...but what I worry about is how many will paint this: "Terrorist Rogue Hacker attacks Vice Presidential Candidate.""
How about: Criminal exposes other potential Criminal on a hunch?
What's wrong with painting them as what they are?
Yep, that's me, I'm all into (church lady voice) Saaaaaaatan.
Hate to break it to you, but you and the Satanists are on the same side of the fence as far as I'm concerned. The idea of an immediate and personal god is frankly meaningless to me, and therefore so is the apocryphal devil.
I've got no significant beef with religion. Hell, I go to church more than most Christians because I think my kid needs to understand the material/spiritual dichotomy, and religion is the easiest way to instill that.
But there is a vast gulf between normal religion and Creationist bullshit. If you are such a zealot that you honestly believe that the world was literally created in 6 days, and is only 6000 years old, you do not need to be in public office in any form you need to be in a nuthouse.
ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
they use /b/ like a drug to control people's behaviors with it. This is not something the neocons, conservatives, moderates, libertarians, or even independents do, but only liberals do. It is all part of a much bigger plan that I and others have talked about for the past decade or so.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
Wait and see if the Secret Service kicks their butts from here to Guantanimo.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
Dear Mods --
The "Troll" mod is not for posts that you simply disagree with. It is meant for posts that are clearly trying to troll. Generally speaking, this is defined as:
(From the Wikipedia article)
So, was my post:
Possibly. Then again, these days, anything political seems to be controversial, so the point is debatable.
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
Please, folks, if you disagree with someone's post, reply and at least add something to the discussion. Be aware of what the negative modding options are actually supposed to be used for. Modding posts "troll" just because you disagree is counterproductive.
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
That was a dumb move by someone to hack a candidates e-mail. And even though it sounds cheesy I think Anonymous is just name that hackers use like a symbol, like that stupid V for Vendetta movie.
Ok, I don't particularly care for Palin; but I am not for hacking her email. Granted she is a moron for using her zip code for a password. My dog knows better than that, though he might use cat. Anyway, she is a professed PIM junky. Not sure but I think she is using a Blackberry. In any case, she may not have access to a server through her work. Whether it is right or wrong, I know a lot of people who use Yahoo and Google to forward their work email so they can access it remotely. I work in IT and don't condone this, but it is done.
There are so many other untrustworthy things about her, I guess we can add this to the list, but again, I'm against all hacking of others data.
Who is the paranoid fringer joke now?
Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot!
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
Now that's something that needs to be assessed, urgently, before Election Day. With her credentials she wouldn't even merit an advisory position to a secretary of state. But apparently it's Ok for her to be pushed into the VP seat without further notice, and possibly even the President's seat. The sheer contempt for the need for any sort of qualification for the office staggers me, even after having seen politics play out for decades.
As such things seem to work, putting her on the ticket is excellent political calculation. McCain is an elder male, so complement his ticket with a young female. McCain is a long-standing Senator, so complement him with a complete outsider. Makes sense from all perspectives but one. What has Palin done so far, and what is she likely to do in case she becomes VP or even President?
If this question is to be answered, then conventional sources are to be preferred of course. However, in this special case unconventional sources may have a role to play too.
Perhaps the best way I've seen my worries expressed (better than I can do it) is by Bradley Burston in this article here: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1021317.html.
I don't think that you have a basis to accuse me of believing "that she does not rate equal treatment under the law". Counter to what you postulate I do not begrudge her her legal rights. What I do is, on balance, to condone a transgression that infringes on her legal rights, i.e. hacking into her email account. That is something different. In itself that's also wrong, and I admit it.
However, given that the person and her husband are currently sabotaging an official probe into the question as to whether or not she abused the powers of her office, I believe that the ethical aspects my opinion are more or less balanced given the seriousness of the consequence if someone were to be elected who later turns out to be flawed in this way.
What you are pleased to call "nebulous and handwaving reasons, mostly extreme bias" are in my opinion very good reasons to scrutinise this candidate for high office, who has been sprung on us a mere 50 days before election day and who may be hiding serious flaws.
Government reads my email without warrant or permission or legal authority: quit whining and don't even think about trying to sue anyone.
Citizens read the email of someone who is potentially going to be the most powerful person in the country: FBI, secret service, etc. get involved immediately and people are probably going to jail with only half of a trial.
Sounds about right to me.
Winnar!
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