What I don't want is a hacked together, unsupported one-man project on what seems to be fairly generic hardware. "Ubuntu eee" is such a thing, at present, and not the official distro.
At the present time I'm not aware of anyone having managed to get advanced mode going on the distribution that comes with the 901. That's why I consider it a bit of a toy OS. I should have said toy desktop perhaps.
Either way, I'm a debian true believer that recently defected to ubuntu on the desktop.
I wish my EEE 901 had shipped with ubuntu too, instead of Xandros.
Not that it's bad for beginners, but I'm not sure I want such a toy OS. I know Ubuntu eee exists, but I'd musch rather have the official distro. Or debian...
UK law is littered with precedent for people winning large payouts from employers after dismissal for toy reasons.
Even if they make your life uncomfortable enough that you feel you have to leave and actually resign, you can successfully sue for "constructive dismissal".
The US really is a special case for employment law compared to most of the rest of the civilised world, where people have rights when they are employed.
I'm interested because I have a Vaio SZ670 I bought towards the end of last year, Vista bundled with it. Ubuntu doesn't support the fingerprint reader, and I had some problems with sound, but the networking (wireless and otherwise) "just worked".
So not all the vista certified wireless NICS fail.
Mostly it depends on the manufacturer anyway. The more cooperative they are, the better the support. People like intel and ralink, that just open source their drivers, are great.
1. Depends on the wireless NIC. Many are now supported out of the box. But not all, it's true.
2. Video card support is exemplary these days in ubuntu at least. What problems are you having?
Compositing is a bit iffy - compiz and multi screens is flaky as hell - but it's better than no compositing WM at all in windows.
My experience of late is that linux device support is actually better than the MS offering. I'll admit that when it doesn't work straight off, the steps to take to get hardware working are less than obvious.
They can market it how they like. It remains the fact of the matter that OS X is an operating system for pretty generic hardware, and apple sell it as a separate product already.
Please describe how pointing out that one particular group in politics is intolerant, hypocritical and has ridiculous arguments is either hypocritical, intolerant or ridiculous in itself?
BTW, I'm no democrat either, but the right wing take the cake in this arena.
Everyone loses because a computer company is no longer able to indulge in practices which would be monopolistic if they were larger? And are of dubious legality anyway?
"Would you dare to ship "Windows Vista" on a no name CDR and sell it on street next to police station?"
This is utterly different to that situation, there is no copyright infrginrmrnt going on here, they are paying for the OS.
If you can't take an OS you have PAID FOR and install it on almost identical non-apple hardware, then the law is an ass.
"Apple wouldn't exist if their hardware/software combination magic didn't work."
Bullshit. Apple have sold their image to the masses. Psystar are pretty irrelevant to the apple market at the moment. They might eat into microsoft's though.
It's the corrupt assholes that pay lip service to the electorate during campaigns and then go right back to screwing them for money the minute it's all over.
The big two party systems is the problem, not the people that it's driven to cynicism.
Eh, no, Open Source refers to licenses. Some of what they're doing is under GPL and some under Apache. If/when it gets releases to the public it will be open source, regardless of whether the cathedral model is in use.
Android apparently runs a load of Apache and GPL licensed stuff - so where's the source guys?
I want to run it on my Neo Freerunner as it's not looking like the openmoko guys are going to be geting a solid phone platform available any time soon...
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There's nothing wrong with Ubuntu.
What I don't want is a hacked together, unsupported one-man project on what seems to be fairly generic hardware. "Ubuntu eee" is such a thing, at present, and not the official distro.
At the present time I'm not aware of anyone having managed to get advanced mode going on the distribution that comes with the 901. That's why I consider it a bit of a toy OS. I should have said toy desktop perhaps.
Either way, I'm a debian true believer that recently defected to ubuntu on the desktop.
I wish my EEE 901 had shipped with ubuntu too, instead of Xandros.
Not that it's bad for beginners, but I'm not sure I want such a toy OS. I know Ubuntu eee exists, but I'd musch rather have the official distro. Or debian...
You haven't heard of blackberry?
Or the company that broke 40% market share in the mobile handset market earlier this year?
Which rock have you been under? It must be a big one.
Again, US centric.
Over here in the UK I have yet to see an iPhone. I know that the girlfriend of one of my friends has one, but that's it.
Nokia is the dominant force in this market.
OK, but when a small steel ball rolls towards a magnet, where does that energy come from?
I'm just curious, it's a long time since I did physics.
UK law is littered with precedent for people winning large payouts from employers after dismissal for toy reasons.
Even if they make your life uncomfortable enough that you feel you have to leave and actually resign, you can successfully sue for "constructive dismissal".
The US really is a special case for employment law compared to most of the rest of the civilised world, where people have rights when they are employed.
"We are all over these Olympics here in the UK. Everyone I know is watching"
I'm also British and I don't know anyone that cares.
Oh, except for the chinese girl I work with. Other than that, nobody gives a crap that I know.
Which new Vista Certified ones?
I'm interested because I have a Vaio SZ670 I bought towards the end of last year, Vista bundled with it. Ubuntu doesn't support the fingerprint reader, and I had some problems with sound, but the networking (wireless and otherwise) "just worked".
So not all the vista certified wireless NICS fail.
Mostly it depends on the manufacturer anyway. The more cooperative they are, the better the support. People like intel and ralink, that just open source their drivers, are great.
Really? are they?
Do you have proof that they're installing a modified MacOS X and not just using EFI emulation underneath?
Because that's what it sounds like they're doing to me.
Oh right, I forgot about vista....
Actually there's a third party add-on for XP by the name of yodm, and that'll give you the cube, which is all I'm interested in.
Vista just blows...
1. Depends on the wireless NIC. Many are now supported out of the box. But not all, it's true.
2. Video card support is exemplary these days in ubuntu at least. What problems are you having?
Compositing is a bit iffy - compiz and multi screens is flaky as hell - but it's better than no compositing WM at all in windows.
My experience of late is that linux device support is actually better than the MS offering. I'll admit that when it doesn't work straight off, the steps to take to get hardware working are less than obvious.
Yes, and the vast majority of linux users have x86 hardware.
You just try using binary drivers on another architecture.
The users might not care but system builders/designers (and hackers) have a whole lot better time with open source drivers.
Not to mention they can be edited by the whole community.
For linux, OSS drivers just ARE better.
They can market it how they like. It remains the fact of the matter that OS X is an operating system for pretty generic hardware, and apple sell it as a separate product already.
EULAs are a very very iffy subject in law.
Ehh, no.
Sonic was always FAR superior to the mario bullcrap. Sega also had the Ecco series going for them.
There was no catch-up or imitation.
Plus the Megadrive/Genesis was black, which made it way cooler.
Please describe how pointing out that one particular group in politics is intolerant, hypocritical and has ridiculous arguments is either hypocritical, intolerant or ridiculous in itself?
BTW, I'm no democrat either, but the right wing take the cake in this arena.
Everyone loses because a computer company is no longer able to indulge in practices which would be monopolistic if they were larger? And are of dubious legality anyway?
Frankly I think everyone wins at that point.
"Would you dare to ship "Windows Vista" on a no name CDR and sell it on street next to police station?"
This is utterly different to that situation, there is no copyright infrginrmrnt going on here, they are paying for the OS.
If you can't take an OS you have PAID FOR and install it on almost identical non-apple hardware, then the law is an ass.
"Apple wouldn't exist if their hardware/software combination magic didn't work."
Bullshit. Apple have sold their image to the masses. Psystar are pretty irrelevant to the apple market at the moment. They might eat into microsoft's though.
Conservative views are ridiculous though.
Every time a repub is allowed to speak they come out with hypocrisy and intolerance.
Be fair, it's not slashdot that's the problem.
It's the corrupt assholes that pay lip service to the electorate during campaigns and then go right back to screwing them for money the minute it's all over.
The big two party systems is the problem, not the people that it's driven to cynicism.
That's good to hear.
Would it be wrong of me to ask if there might be a freerunner compatible version? Or is that something for the community to look at?
"Open Source"
Eh, no, Open Source refers to licenses. Some of what they're doing is under GPL and some under Apache. If/when it gets releases to the public it will be open source, regardless of whether the cathedral model is in use.
OK, but that still seems to me like they've not yet opened up anything other than what they have to.
Which is fine, but I was hoping for more. I'm impatient like that, see :)
Oh I know they don't *have* to, but being good citizens (lol) it would be nice if they opened up ahead of time to give people chance to play with it.
Android apparently runs a load of Apache and GPL licensed stuff - so where's the source guys?
I want to run it on my Neo Freerunner as it's not looking like the openmoko guys are going to be geting a solid phone platform available any time soon...