Umm, no, once again, please point out exactly where it is I said anything about it being ok because it's a different crime.
"So, how is illegal different than illegal?"
Yes, let's just call everything rape and be done with it shall we?
Fucking moron.
"Anyway, you never answered my question: How is your standard boilerplate argument going to stand up in a court of law? Any court of law would say, "You're right!! It's not theft!! It's copyright infringement, which, just so, happens to be illegal, too - you fucking idiot!!""
I didn't say it was a defence, I said it was different and governed by different laws. I do think AND say that you're fucking retarded. Go play in traffic.
"Actually, no, because the copy wasn't obtained by lawful means. You are depriving its rightful owner of a product it could sell or otherwise dispose of as it saw fit."
Hate to break it to you, but no he isn't. You haven't in any way taken a physical item from them, or prevented them from making more. Your logic sucks.
I now have the good, expensive Vaio SZ, which is a great machine.
BUT for travelling around with and especially for an extended vacation (a month in aus later this year) I want something cheap and above all small and light. 13" is too big. The 901 has 1GB of RAM, a reasonable chip and a reasonable display. Sounds perfect.
Before this current spate of really small and low priced laptops, I'd have had to go for a Vaio TZ, and they are NOT cheap.
IMHO, it depends on the company, but expecting much in the way of loyalty from your employer is misplaced. On the other hand, if they find you valuable (and you're making them money) then they have every reason to be happy with you.
No, it's not stopping anyone making jobs. In fact if anything the only thing it'll do is encourage them to make their own rather than buy in.
It's not long term protection, it just ensures that on takeover you are considered as having been continuously employed in one company, and get the rights and responsibilities that come with it.
There's no reason at all you can't lay people off, it's just that they enjoy (under TUPE) the same rights as other workers in your organisation. Don't see anything wrong with that, personally.
That all sounds like the makings of a really varied and interesting life to me. I'm hoping someday I'll have the guts to leave my comfort zone (software engineering), but the thing is I'm good at it (most of the time) and it's difficult to launch off into the unknown.
Yeah, there's no guarantee of anything much in this life, but also no harm in taking a relaxed look at your options rather than jumping ship at the first sign that something might go wrong. Things will go wrong:)
"Most geeks realize that Windows for a few dollars extra (or the same price) is worth it, even if you're not a fan of Windows."
You mean as a free extra and you then move to Linux? Like you may as well have the XP licenseif it's free?
Because most (software) geeks I know don't run windows at all any more unless they have to do something for work that isn't Linux compatible. And that's not a lot these days.
Also, on the 901, it's a choice of windows or another 8G of SSD. I'll be getting the Linux model.
that's the problem. You can't take from that experience that it's a corporate strategy or something they've considered and targeted. No, it's the idiot sales advisor giving his idiot opinion, as usually happens in dixons.
I saw someone in Dixons asking a sales advisor if the Xbox360 wireless adaptor would work on his network. He explained how he had a wireless router, a laptop and a Mac. "Oh, no, it's not Mac compatible, that won't work for you".
And like I have on many occasions before, I waited for the moron to sidle off to lie and make stuff up with another set of customers before quietly saying "he doesn't know what he's talking about, you'll be fine".
Of course then I got the guilt because the 360 wireless controller is extremely overpriced and nobody should be spending 60 pounds on that.
"Remember a lot depends on how much you are willing to accept as a reduction in pay which ultimately will happen at some point."
Not necessarily. Been through 2. First ended in a payoff and redundancy, the second resulted in more money as they realised how useful I can be when properly motivated:)
I went through something similar a couple of times within a few months a little while ago. First time round I got a lot of reassuring "we want your expertise" noises, then a payoff and a goodbye. Then I got a new job at a small company and it happened again.
Second time it was another big company (let's call them "large indigo") and we had all the same talks and speeches and the same reassurances, only they actually meant it. Unfortunately it's very hard to tell this. Anyway,I'm still with them and am not only very happy (and in the same job) but it's kinda cool having the opportunity to move around the company and the world once you're on the inside.
In my opinion it's also about effort - I've put in this much effort and given the result away. If you want to use it you'll give your effort away too, otherwise do it yourself.
"A GPL advocate sees an entirely different situation. To him, it is the code that comes first, and the applications built from that code are a secondary consideration."
Before I stopped reading because the writer is an idiot. This is both inssulting and a straw man argument.
"This is a trivially solved problem; you give the voter a piece of paper which can be used to verify their vote when combined with voting records, but which is not sufficient to prove you voted one way or another on its own."
If the voter has a way to verify how they voted, then so does the third party, which makes the voter subject to bribery or extortion.
"We've been doing this kind of thing in cryptography for a long time, it's nothing new."
If you make it possible for the voter to confirm their own vote then you make it possible for people to be forced to show who they voted for in order to keep their job/car/fingers. We do not want this.
"What the US needs is more people who can get above the level of petty politics and willing to be active in protesting, activism,..."
Good luck with that, you filthy, counter-culture, unrealistic, pot-smoking hippie.
Not my opinions, but I think you'll find most people will write you off as a smelly peacenik if you start protesting stuff. They have been well trained in this respect.
Sorry, but this vote-checking has been used to oppress people many times and is one of the key things the secret ballot seeks to prevent. It stops people buying votes, it stops people forcing votes and it stops the associated violence.
"Americans have always been such a bunch of hypocritical cowards."
No, it's just a fact that when you open up a system to be abused like this it'll be taken over by gangs and cabals of the powerful to the detriment of the weak.
I'm glad you think you'd go down fighting, that's up to you. Personally my life is the most important thing to me and I wouldn't. And that is how the system goes into rapid decline.
And if you think your boss would be the only one interested then you're a fool. There are all sorts of social and physical pressures that can be put on people when there is a way, even by force, to find out how they voted.
Maybe the cheif of police is best friends with your local congressman, he could make your life very difficult unless you "voluntarily" show him how you voted.
This scheme would be a terrible weakness in a democratic nation.
Unofficial vote "verifying" is a key method in the arsenal of corrupt dictators the world over and throughout history. It's been happening in Zimbabwe in the last few weeks.
Anonymity is the only defence, and that means no "log on and check" system.
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Umm, no, once again, please point out exactly where it is I said anything about it being ok because it's a different crime.
"So, how is illegal different than illegal?"
Yes, let's just call everything rape and be done with it shall we?
Fucking moron.
"Anyway, you never answered my question: How is your standard boilerplate argument going to stand up in a court of law? Any court of law would say, "You're right!! It's not theft!! It's copyright infringement, which, just so, happens to be illegal, too - you fucking idiot!!""
I didn't say it was a defence, I said it was different and governed by different laws. I do think AND say that you're fucking retarded. Go play in traffic.
"Don't give be this bullshit story that you're "test-driving" it to see if it's worth buying"
Please point out where I said anything other than that they are different. Fuck off.
"I'd love to see you try to use that argument in a court of law."
Thankfully, courts of law, unlike your retarded self, know the difference between copyright infringement and theft.
Information under copyright is a different sort of property to physical property. That is why we have different laws. Get some fucking IP education.
No, doesn't work. Appropriating and taking imply that the original owner is deprived of their property.
Those are not equivalent things. Your property is something physical you own, not a set of rights.
Copyright is a social contract between producer and consumer, to the benefit of the whole of society, not some sort of natural right.
"Actually, no, because the copy wasn't obtained by lawful means. You are depriving its rightful owner of a product it could sell or otherwise dispose of as it saw fit."
Hate to break it to you, but no he isn't. You haven't in any way taken a physical item from them, or prevented them from making more. Your logic sucks.
I now have the good, expensive Vaio SZ, which is a great machine.
BUT for travelling around with and especially for an extended vacation (a month in aus later this year) I want something cheap and above all small and light. 13" is too big. The 901 has 1GB of RAM, a reasonable chip and a reasonable display. Sounds perfect.
Before this current spate of really small and low priced laptops, I'd have had to go for a Vaio TZ, and they are NOT cheap.
IMHO, it depends on the company, but expecting much in the way of loyalty from your employer is misplaced. On the other hand, if they find you valuable (and you're making them money) then they have every reason to be happy with you.
No, it's not stopping anyone making jobs. In fact if anything the only thing it'll do is encourage them to make their own rather than buy in.
It's not long term protection, it just ensures that on takeover you are considered as having been continuously employed in one company, and get the rights and responsibilities that come with it.
There's no reason at all you can't lay people off, it's just that they enjoy (under TUPE) the same rights as other workers in your organisation. Don't see anything wrong with that, personally.
Cool!
That all sounds like the makings of a really varied and interesting life to me. I'm hoping someday I'll have the guts to leave my comfort zone (software engineering), but the thing is I'm good at it (most of the time) and it's difficult to launch off into the unknown.
Yeah, there's no guarantee of anything much in this life, but also no harm in taking a relaxed look at your options rather than jumping ship at the first sign that something might go wrong. Things will go wrong :)
"Most geeks realize that Windows for a few dollars extra (or the same price) is worth it, even if you're not a fan of Windows."
You mean as a free extra and you then move to Linux? Like you may as well have the XP licenseif it's free?
Because most (software) geeks I know don't run windows at all any more unless they have to do something for work that isn't Linux compatible. And that's not a lot these days.
Also, on the 901, it's a choice of windows or another 8G of SSD. I'll be getting the Linux model.
Dixons are morons.
that's the problem. You can't take from that experience that it's a corporate strategy or something they've considered and targeted. No, it's the idiot sales advisor giving his idiot opinion, as usually happens in dixons.
I saw someone in Dixons asking a sales advisor if the Xbox360 wireless adaptor would work on his network. He explained how he had a wireless router, a laptop and a Mac. "Oh, no, it's not Mac compatible, that won't work for you".
And like I have on many occasions before, I waited for the moron to sidle off to lie and make stuff up with another set of customers before quietly saying "he doesn't know what he's talking about, you'll be fine".
Of course then I got the guilt because the 360 wireless controller is extremely overpriced and nobody should be spending 60 pounds on that.
"UK where TUPE regulations protect employees' packages when transferring to a new company"
I'm certainly glad my package is protected, otherwise new managers could be real ball-breakers :)
"Remember a lot depends on how much you are willing to accept as a reduction in pay which ultimately will happen at some point."
Not necessarily. :)
Been through 2. First ended in a payoff and redundancy, the second resulted in more money as they realised how useful I can be when properly motivated
Just what I was thinking - do both!
I went through something similar a couple of times within a few months a little while ago. First time round I got a lot of reassuring "we want your expertise" noises, then a payoff and a goodbye. Then I got a new job at a small company and it happened again.
Second time it was another big company (let's call them "large indigo") and we had all the same talks and speeches and the same reassurances, only they actually meant it. Unfortunately it's very hard to tell this. Anyway,I'm still with them and am not only very happy (and in the same job) but it's kinda cool having the opportunity to move around the company and the world once you're on the inside.
So, YMMV, but don't be too pessimistic.
Good point, but that's not the only reason.
In my opinion it's also about effort - I've put in this much effort and given the result away. If you want to use it you'll give your effort away too, otherwise do it yourself.
I got this far -
"A GPL advocate sees an entirely different situation. To him, it is the code that comes first, and the applications built from that code are a secondary consideration."
Before I stopped reading because the writer is an idiot. This is both inssulting and a straw man argument.
"This is a trivially solved problem; you give the voter a piece of paper which can be used to verify their vote when combined with voting records, but which is not sufficient to prove you voted one way or another on its own."
If the voter has a way to verify how they voted, then so does the third party, which makes the voter subject to bribery or extortion.
"We've been doing this kind of thing in cryptography for a long time, it's nothing new."
It seems a lot like DRM to me.
If you make it possible for the voter to confirm their own vote then you make it possible for people to be forced to show who they voted for in order to keep their job/car/fingers. We do not want this.
"What the US needs is more people who can get above the level of petty politics and willing to be active in protesting, activism,..."
Good luck with that, you filthy, counter-culture, unrealistic, pot-smoking hippie.
Not my opinions, but I think you'll find most people will write you off as a smelly peacenik if you start protesting stuff. They have been well trained in this respect.
She gets an Apple laptop every day?
Whilst I'm sure she's making a sweet resale profit, isn't that a bit wasteful?
Umm, if that system is known, then all your oppressor has to do is take your receipt and check online.
Look, it's like DRM, if you have *any* way to verify your vote then so does the local gang that are under the protection of the local ruling party.
And when that man has a gun?
Sorry, but this vote-checking has been used to oppress people many times and is one of the key things the secret ballot seeks to prevent. It stops people buying votes, it stops people forcing votes and it stops the associated violence.
"Americans have always been such a bunch of hypocritical cowards."
No, it's just a fact that when you open up a system to be abused like this it'll be taken over by gangs and cabals of the powerful to the detriment of the weak.
I'm glad you think you'd go down fighting, that's up to you. Personally my life is the most important thing to me and I wouldn't. And that is how the system goes into rapid decline.
Transparency in voting is a BAD thing.
And if you think your boss would be the only one interested then you're a fool. There are all sorts of social and physical pressures that can be put on people when there is a way, even by force, to find out how they voted.
Maybe the cheif of police is best friends with your local congressman, he could make your life very difficult unless you "voluntarily" show him how you voted.
This scheme would be a terrible weakness in a democratic nation.
It's not just jobs.
It's fingers, toes, legs...
Unofficial vote "verifying" is a key method in the arsenal of corrupt dictators the world over and throughout history. It's been happening in Zimbabwe in the last few weeks.
Anonymity is the only defence, and that means no "log on and check" system.