My dad wrote me a multiplication test game for our C64 when I was young (much younger than this kid) and made the screen change colour when you got it right.
From then on I tried to figure out how to change screen colours, make stuff scroll, deal with input... it went from there. Soon I was trying to alter the code for games (the ones written in BASIC anyway, there were a good few) and see what happened.
Whatever it is I advise something that is simple but gets immediate results. That's what turned me on to computing at the beginning - making these wonderful machines do tricks for me, and doing things with them that other people can't or don't even think about.
Oh, you're good with computers because you can know how to use word? Well check *this* shit out!
No, they aren't different operating systems. The same binaries (dependencies aside) run on them all.
"This is what makes it funny to me every time someone talks about installing software that isn't packaged for their "distribution". Do you whine about how hard it is to install an OS X application on Windows or vice-versa?"
No, but people whine when Vista won't run something they used under XP, which is more like the situation here.
The multitude of distributions are WAY more similar than any of them is to any other Unix/POSIX-like OS.
It's all there, little to no fucking around, it's even got a search utility for when you want more. There are even gui versions. This doesn't only cover install but searching and downloading.
Far easier than going out on the web and trying to find some free windows software to do what you want.
3. keeping data on your own company servers, with a secure offsite backup facility.
Is it more secure?
That remains to be proven. I prefer to keep things as untransmitted as possible. Especially in a commercial situation.
And it's not like they'd have the only copy of the document. Sharing it with google can only increase your risk of them either losing, exposing or using your private information.
I don't have a stash of porn either. In fact I have nothing to hide. That doesn't mean I want to share all of my information with third parties, even if they swear blind they won't look at it.
Security: The data never leaves the company network vs it travels over the net and then gets stored by people I don't know
Risk: The data never leaves the company network vs it travels over the net and then gets stored by people I don't know
"Unlike your employer, they just manage that risk."
You have no idea who I work for but I'll tell you this, it ain't Bub's Computer shack in South Buttfuck, Nowhere. Even if it was, it doesn't matter. trusting other companies to look after data is a bad plan from start to finish. Just look at all the leaks and losses.
I know this is google and you'd fellate every last employee of theirs if you could, but that doesn't make it either a good idea or a solved problem.
I don't care if google is staffed exclusively by Ophanim (closest rank of angels to god), I'm not willing to trust a third party with my stuff, and neither should any self respecting company.
Paradise is going a bit far, but it definitely true that the US 'vision' of cuba handed down by the authorities is not the same picture that people in europe or other parts of the world see.
You're a twat because both have been more than adequate (and more adequate than Windows) for workstation use for over a decade.
If you want to argue about the desktop market, which is an entirely separate market and user base then go ahead. But sun (and SGI amongst others) had the workstation market sown up for a long time. If you don't know how to use them as a workstation that's your problem.
OK, well you have your reasons. None of them are anything that affects me.
I'm a software engineer that works in C. Scoff you may but 30 some years on and it's still No2 language on the planet. Anyhow, I meet relatively few that actually use photoshop for anything remotely tricky, In fact it seems most people use photoshop for a bit of copy and paste.
In fact I hear this a lot - GIMP isn't photoshop! Well 1) did you pay for photoshop? Didya? Really? and 2) what do you do? cut/paste/trim/maybe the odd sepia effect?
Don't do ASP so don't give a fuck about mono. Don't own MS Office and don't see it's any better than OO.o 2.x (Again, what is it lacking that you need?)
Never used evolution because thunderbird is fine...
Reviewing your post, you have nothing at all against gnome there, not a single sausage. You have windows software you want to run. Well good luck to you, but railing against window managers is just fucking stupid when what you really have a problem with is moving to any OS but windows.
Please elaborate on how gnome sucks and/or gets in the way?
I use it on my main linux client/workstation machine at work (in a big multinational), my Solaris workstation and also on my home Linux box. I have yet to see it get in the way.
I'm genuinely interested in the problems people are having with it, because I've found it so simple.
OK, I guess if they're using the kernel mods then that's different, but if they're just using the EFI emulator then that's not a modified version.
Not that it should be different, I don't see the problem (other than the pedantic legal issue and the fact that apple don't like competition) with what they're doing.
And candy is not necessarily bad - it's simple (to use) and appeals to lots of people. I know my OS of choice isn't something I'd recommend to my mother, and neither is windows any more.
Linux is more like a clove sweet or a bitter beer - kids don't really like it and it's a taste you have to acquire.
(Yes, I know MacOS has UNIX under the candy, I also know a fair few geeks that like it)
"That's the whole point of copyright. A party is given exclusive right to make copies and license others to do so. Copyright law is very broken in favor of anyone who holds it and has the money to go to court"
Do you want to explain how Psystar are breaking copyright law? Because I don't get it. Psystar aren't making copies of the OS, they're buying them and reselling them.
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Ah yes, that lovely old fallacy, everyone that smokes pot ruins their life in doing so.
Just like everyone that ever had a beer is a hopeless drunk and lives in a gutter.
Depends where you're wearing the hat.
My dad wrote me a multiplication test game for our C64 when I was young (much younger than this kid) and made the screen change colour when you got it right.
From then on I tried to figure out how to change screen colours, make stuff scroll, deal with input... it went from there. Soon I was trying to alter the code for games (the ones written in BASIC anyway, there were a good few) and see what happened.
Whatever it is I advise something that is simple but gets immediate results. That's what turned me on to computing at the beginning - making these wonderful machines do tricks for me, and doing things with them that other people can't or don't even think about.
Oh, you're good with computers because you can know how to use word? Well check *this* shit out!
Did you miss the part where I said there are GUIs to do the same stuff?
I think you're a moron with an agenda, not an actual user.
No, they aren't different operating systems. The same binaries (dependencies aside) run on them all.
"This is what makes it funny to me every time someone talks about installing software that isn't packaged for their "distribution". Do you whine about how hard it is to install an OS X application on Windows or vice-versa?"
No, but people whine when Vista won't run something they used under XP, which is more like the situation here.
The multitude of distributions are WAY more similar than any of them is to any other Unix/POSIX-like OS.
It is wrapped into downloadable program installers.
What the FUCK do you think the point of the apps was?
They're a wrapper and a repository for what was once a windows-like nightmare of trying to hunt down the installer for the software you want.
SO you last used linux in the 90s?
apt-get install
yum install
It's all there, little to no fucking around, it's even got a search utility for when you want more. There are even gui versions. This doesn't only cover install but searching and downloading.
Far easier than going out on the web and trying to find some free windows software to do what you want.
3. keeping data on your own company servers, with a secure offsite backup facility.
Is it more secure?
That remains to be proven. I prefer to keep things as untransmitted as possible. Especially in a commercial situation.
And it's not like they'd have the only copy of the document. Sharing it with google can only increase your risk of them either losing, exposing or using your private information.
Don't you mean Mr Apollo?
You can beat up bullies 'til they cry
"Oh lah! Oh, crikey! Let go, you rotter! Don't punish me!"
Yes, just give me ten years of your life, and I'll trade in that puny flab for living muscle..
Physique you deserve!
Strong!
Chest and shoulders to hold your shirt!
Five years ago, I was a four stone apology
Today, I am two separate gorillas.
No tiresome exercises, no tricks,
no unpleasant bending, Wrestle poodles and win!
Play beach ball! Shave your legs! Lope over walls!
Tease people! Brush them aside as though they were matchsticks!
Impress your friends!
I don't have a stash of porn either. In fact I have nothing to hide. That doesn't mean I want to share all of my information with third parties, even if they swear blind they won't look at it.
Security:
The data never leaves the company network
vs
it travels over the net and then gets stored by people I don't know
Risk:
The data never leaves the company network
vs
it travels over the net and then gets stored by people I don't know
"Unlike your employer, they just manage that risk."
You have no idea who I work for but I'll tell you this, it ain't Bub's Computer shack in South Buttfuck, Nowhere. Even if it was, it doesn't matter. trusting other companies to look after data is a bad plan from start to finish. Just look at all the leaks and losses.
I know this is google and you'd fellate every last employee of theirs if you could, but that doesn't make it either a good idea or a solved problem.
I'd see the traffic. As would other people. That wouldn't stay secret very long.
I can use it offline and store my files locally.
I'm not relying on a third party to transport and store my confidential data.
These are different levels of trust.
Same objection I always had with GMail.
Google is then in charge of your data.
I don't care if google is staffed exclusively by Ophanim (closest rank of angels to god), I'm not willing to trust a third party with my stuff, and neither should any self respecting company.
OK, I have three linux boxes at home (1 x86_64 ubuntu laptop, 2 debian arm systems) and 5 at work, alongside an HP box and a solaris workstation.
I was actually impressed at the short install time for win2k8, it's really quite snappy.
It's true that I do have a windows box at work... but it's just because we build our software on windows too.
It's computer number 7 after the redhat laptop, the solaris workstation, the 3 SuSE and redhat boxes and the HPUX server.
No it isn't.
I'm no fan of the Wii Graphics - frankly on an HDTV they look shit - but it can do 576p, a little better.
Paradise is going a bit far, but it definitely true that the US 'vision' of cuba handed down by the authorities is not the same picture that people in europe or other parts of the world see.
You're a twat because both have been more than adequate (and more adequate than Windows) for workstation use for over a decade.
If you want to argue about the desktop market, which is an entirely separate market and user base then go ahead. But sun (and SGI amongst others) had the workstation market sown up for a long time. If you don't know how to use them as a workstation that's your problem.
OK, well you have your reasons. None of them are anything that affects me.
I'm a software engineer that works in C. Scoff you may but 30 some years on and it's still No2 language on the planet. Anyhow, I meet relatively few that actually use photoshop for anything remotely tricky, In fact it seems most people use photoshop for a bit of copy and paste.
In fact I hear this a lot - GIMP isn't photoshop! Well 1) did you pay for photoshop? Didya? Really? and 2) what do you do? cut/paste/trim/maybe the odd sepia effect?
Don't do ASP so don't give a fuck about mono. Don't own MS Office and don't see it's any better than OO.o 2.x
(Again, what is it lacking that you need?)
Never used evolution because thunderbird is fine...
Reviewing your post, you have nothing at all against gnome there, not a single sausage. You have windows software you want to run. Well good luck to you, but railing against window managers is just fucking stupid when what you really have a problem with is moving to any OS but windows.
Twat.
Seriously, you sir are a complete gimp.
Please elaborate on how gnome sucks and/or gets in the way?
I use it on my main linux client/workstation machine at work (in a big multinational), my Solaris workstation and also on my home Linux box. I have yet to see it get in the way.
I'm genuinely interested in the problems people are having with it, because I've found it so simple.
OK, I guess if they're using the kernel mods then that's different, but if they're just using the EFI emulator then that's not a modified version.
Not that it should be different, I don't see the problem (other than the pedantic legal issue and the fact that apple don't like competition) with what they're doing.
I am indeed a linux user.
And candy is not necessarily bad - it's simple (to use) and appeals to lots of people. I know my OS of choice isn't something I'd recommend to my mother, and neither is windows any more.
Linux is more like a clove sweet or a bitter beer - kids don't really like it and it's a taste you have to acquire.
(Yes, I know MacOS has UNIX under the candy, I also know a fair few geeks that like it)
"That's the whole point of copyright. A party is given exclusive right to make copies and license others to do so. Copyright law is very broken in favor of anyone who holds it and has the money to go to court"
Do you want to explain how Psystar are breaking copyright law? Because I don't get it. Psystar aren't making copies of the OS, they're buying them and reselling them.
The funny thing is, you probably have exactly the same hardware.
You just chose to use an OS made of candy.