Actually, having now looked at the info on wikipedia, you're right. There are certainly a greater array of different GPUs, but they still use the same one across a couple of models with various features locked or turned down.
It would have been more correct on my part to say they do it less than they did a few years ago, perhaps.
I remember when the difference between the top of the line and the mid range was locked cores/pipelines and a few MHz, unlockable at your own risk if you wanted to see if the dormant hardware had fab errors or was just locked...
The "purposely neutering a product" is something that pretty much every CPU and Video card manufacturer does.
Having read about the last couple of generations of nVidia cards - not so much any more. They all use different processors, not neutered variants of the same one like they used to.
If the politicians have already decided, if they think they would stand to lose face in front of the politicians from other countries, they'll sign it regardless. Look at the Iraq war for an example. Over a million marched against that in the UK capital, did anyone listen?
Hell no.
A few thousand marching, writing to politicians, whatever, it's a blip they'll find really easy to ignore.
There's no way to get some stuff, so I torrent it.
Give me a way (preferably easy) to get the stuff I want to watch for a reasonable price, and I will. My history of music purchase through amazon should stand as enough evidence of that.
'Piracy' in many cases could be pretty easily converted to profit. Not all, not by a long way, but in many cases.
But instead the industry fights to stay in the dark ages, to limit the distribution of its own content and make it damned inconvenient even when things are available in your area. They are belligerent, stupid dinosaurs who resist common sense and good business practice.
And roguewave claim to make things easier that we already find pretty easy - cross platform and parallel programming.
There's no magic to making things work in a parallel fashion, people have been doing it for decades. Roguewave seem to be capitalising on the "threads are hard" mindset, which I fundamentally do not subscribe to.
No, and no. There *is* plenty of new stuff to learn, sure, always will be.
However this doesn't detract from my original point - saying "anything they learn now will be entirely useless in X years" is an argument without merit.
Oh sure, but you've got a lot of software thinking skills and you know a few languages. That you would have to pick up a book to pick up new standard library capabilities is not to say that the skills you picked up in the 90s (while I was at school and University) are useless. You may have to buy the book and learn the facilities in the standard library, but you'd be a heck of a lot faster about it than someone not familiar with and of the C/C++ family or languages, or no language at all.
And frankly (between you and me) the C std libs haven't changed all that much in forever. Especially as MS refuse to support updated C standards in their compilers, and most places I've worked want multi-platform code with windows binaries compiled using MS tools. I'd love to program in C11, but the age of the systems and compilers we use prohibits it.
Not really much difference TBH. C11 looks like it adds a few (really very few) features, but the age of the systems and the compilers used in a lot of places prohibits taking advantage of any of these.
C99 introduced more stuff, but even *that* is little use in cross platform code and in a world where Microsoft's C compilers don't (and likely won't ever) implement C99.
So.... no, you don't really even have to keep up with standards. There hasn't been a new one that's relevant to me since before I started professional work.
You're wasting your breath. I've followed this line of argument with "cheekyjohnson" before, and it gets down to the fact that (s)he doesn't believe in the idea of a broad-based education being useful either for the purposes of exposing kids to things they may study later on ("they can do it on their own time") or because it's personally enriching/useful throughout life ("I can't think of the last time me or anyone I know used knowledge of history").
1) What language? Unless you decide to keep up in programming languages whatever you learn is going to be completely and uterly useless.
Hi there!
I'm a C programmer! Been doing it since the turn of the century, as I understand it I was over 20 years late to the party but it's *still* going strong now.
Please, this "it all changes so fast" meme is tired and done.
Is it impossible, in the modern world, to have advanced and standard classes?
I ask because when I learned mathematics we were put into ability groups very early on. People often changed between groups as the grew and learned, but at any given time it cut down on both bored advanced kids and bored behind kids.
I disagree with it being a waste of time for 'the rest' too. Why is it any more of a waste of time than other school subjects?
Uhhh... it really depends on the market you're in. If there are only a handful of people in your city that can, say, code in C and C++ with a fwew years experience under their belts, then you may have to pay that to keep people.
That's not an unreasonable salary for an experienced dev, DBA or unix guy where I live.
There are a few million addresses locked up in old class A networks. If you bother to look at the consumption rate you'd realise that even if all of these addresses were returned to the pool they would buy a few weeks and then we'd be right back where we started.
I believe the IPv6 gospel, I really do, it would be lovely not to have this hanging over our heads... BUT I'm pretty sure I've been hearing that refrain for several years now.
No, but it does allow a piece of malware to listen on arbitrary ports, trivially turning your local machine into an internet-visible server - something that I have seen system intruders attempt.
If there is no value in this then why do people arguing for UPnP and against NAT care so much about the ability? We can just work around it!
UPnP is a security risk anyway, it allows any client to punch whatever holes it likes in a useful barrier.
Yes, this makes some machines into client-only boxes (without intervention), rather than full citizens of the net. This is absolutely, positively A GOOD THING.
But I thought that NAT was horribly broken and downright evil according to the priests of IPv6?
I thought part of the holy doctrine was that there was enough space for NAT to be discarded as it provides no possible benefits, evar and breaks the internet?
(Me, I like NAT, I'm fairly happy that my devices are not globally addressable.)
Viva la revoluzione, my friend but seriously...are you going to hold out forever?
Hell Yes!
If enough of us do it, those profiteering assholes at Big Internet$ will be forced to deal with us on our terms and open up all that extra space they're holding out on.
What extra space you say? Ever heard of a number greater than 255?
It's a conspiracy I tell you. They're all in it! Google, Micro$oft, IBM, The Queen, the Vatican, the Getty's, the Rothchild's and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up! They're trying to keep our eyes shut to the truth!
Wake up! We have all the IPv4 addresses we need! Why at home all my machiens in the 478.921.357.* range!
Yes, but a blatant copy-paste of a post about SOPA and the US, that specifically mentions how un-American something is, is not useful in a discussion of India and facebook.
Slashdot Mirror
Actually, having now looked at the info on wikipedia, you're right. There are certainly a greater array of different GPUs, but they still use the same one across a couple of models with various features locked or turned down.
It would have been more correct on my part to say they do it less than they did a few years ago, perhaps.
I remember when the difference between the top of the line and the mid range was locked cores/pipelines and a few MHz, unlockable at your own risk if you wanted to see if the dormant hardware had fab errors or was just locked...
Having read about the last couple of generations of nVidia cards - not so much any more. They all use different processors, not neutered variants of the same one like they used to.
None of it matters at all.
If the politicians have already decided, if they think they would stand to lose face in front of the politicians from other countries, they'll sign it regardless. Look at the Iraq war for an example. Over a million marched against that in the UK capital, did anyone listen?
Hell no.
A few thousand marching, writing to politicians, whatever, it's a blip they'll find really easy to ignore.
If you believe that you'll believe anything.
RT is the most obviously biased pile of arse I've ever seen. It's a Russian propaganda exercise.
The BBC is still pretty impartial, and I have a lot of respect for Al-Jazeera, but RT? Please, it's bullshit.
There's no way to get some stuff, so I torrent it.
Give me a way (preferably easy) to get the stuff I want to watch for a reasonable price, and I will. My history of music purchase through amazon should stand as enough evidence of that.
'Piracy' in many cases could be pretty easily converted to profit. Not all, not by a long way, but in many cases.
But instead the industry fights to stay in the dark ages, to limit the distribution of its own content and make it damned inconvenient even when things are available in your area. They are belligerent, stupid dinosaurs who resist common sense and good business practice.
Just FYI - STL is a C++ thing.
And roguewave claim to make things easier that we already find pretty easy - cross platform and parallel programming.
There's no magic to making things work in a parallel fashion, people have been doing it for decades. Roguewave seem to be capitalising on the "threads are hard" mindset, which I fundamentally do not subscribe to.
In C?
No, and no.
There *is* plenty of new stuff to learn, sure, always will be.
However this doesn't detract from my original point - saying "anything they learn now will be entirely useless in X years" is an argument without merit.
Oh sure, but you've got a lot of software thinking skills and you know a few languages. That you would have to pick up a book to pick up new standard library capabilities is not to say that the skills you picked up in the 90s (while I was at school and University) are useless. You may have to buy the book and learn the facilities in the standard library, but you'd be a heck of a lot faster about it than someone not familiar with and of the C/C++ family or languages, or no language at all.
And frankly (between you and me) the C std libs haven't changed all that much in forever. Especially as MS refuse to support updated C standards in their compilers, and most places I've worked want multi-platform code with windows binaries compiled using MS tools. I'd love to program in C11, but the age of the systems and compilers we use prohibits it.
Not really much difference TBH. C11 looks like it adds a few (really very few) features, but the age of the systems and the compilers used in a lot of places prohibits taking advantage of any of these.
C99 introduced more stuff, but even *that* is little use in cross platform code and in a world where Microsoft's C compilers don't (and likely won't ever) implement C99.
So.... no, you don't really even have to keep up with standards. There hasn't been a new one that's relevant to me since before I started professional work.
You're wasting your breath. I've followed this line of argument with "cheekyjohnson" before, and it gets down to the fact that (s)he doesn't believe in the idea of a broad-based education being useful either for the purposes of exposing kids to things they may study later on ("they can do it on their own time") or because it's personally enriching/useful throughout life ("I can't think of the last time me or anyone I know used knowledge of history").
It's pretty sad really.
Hi there!
I'm a C programmer! Been doing it since the turn of the century, as I understand it I was over 20 years late to the party but it's *still* going strong now.
Please, this "it all changes so fast" meme is tired and done.
It doesn't.
Is it impossible, in the modern world, to have advanced and standard classes?
I ask because when I learned mathematics we were put into ability groups very early on. People often changed between groups as the grew and learned, but at any given time it cut down on both bored advanced kids and bored behind kids.
I disagree with it being a waste of time for 'the rest' too. Why is it any more of a waste of time than other school subjects?
Uhhh... it really depends on the market you're in. If there are only a handful of people in your city that can, say, code in C and C++ with a fwew years experience under their belts, then you may have to pay that to keep people.
That's not an unreasonable salary for an experienced dev, DBA or unix guy where I live.
One art please! /zoidberg
So... how do you address a packet to a system behind a NAT?
I'm quite serious, I really don't know. I know of NAT traversal techniques, but they usually involve the client cooperating.
I believe the IPv6 gospel, I really do, it would be lovely not to have this hanging over our heads... BUT I'm pretty sure I've been hearing that refrain for several years now.
No, but it does allow a piece of malware to listen on arbitrary ports, trivially turning your local machine into an internet-visible server - something that I have seen system intruders attempt.
If there is no value in this then why do people arguing for UPnP and against NAT care so much about the ability? We can just work around it!
UPnP is a security risk anyway, it allows any client to punch whatever holes it likes in a useful barrier.
Yes, this makes some machines into client-only boxes (without intervention), rather than full citizens of the net. This is absolutely, positively A GOOD THING.
But I thought that NAT was horribly broken and downright evil according to the priests of IPv6?
I thought part of the holy doctrine was that there was enough space for NAT to be discarded as it provides no possible benefits, evar and breaks the internet?
(Me, I like NAT, I'm fairly happy that my devices are not globally addressable.)
Also if you stick this in Adblock Plus -
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BannerController&cache=/cn.js&303-4
you can still use the site.
There are wikipedia mirrors and rip-off sites that will profit from this for a day, and pretty much only a day.
In the mean time, every one of those people looking for an alternative has at least been made aware that there's a problem.
Hell Yes!
If enough of us do it, those profiteering assholes at Big Internet$ will be forced to deal with us on our terms and open up all that extra space they're holding out on.
What extra space you say? Ever heard of a number greater than 255?
It's a conspiracy I tell you. They're all in it! Google, Micro$oft, IBM, The Queen, the Vatican, the Getty's, the Rothchild's and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up! They're trying to keep our eyes shut to the truth!
Wake up! We have all the IPv4 addresses we need! Why at home all my machiens in the 478.921.357.* range!
Why would you need a tax for that? That should be a basic part of the bargain.
Not in a discussion of India proposing censorship of facebook, no.
Yes, but a blatant copy-paste of a post about SOPA and the US, that specifically mentions how un-American something is, is not useful in a discussion of India and facebook.