Certainly you are correct. I don't think they ought to take ALL of Mandrake's stuff, but the sheer fact that it even is GPLd would give them a starting point to work from, wouldn't it?
And GUI tools that don't respect the manual changes suck royally.
Anyhow, I'm not a developer, and I've not even got my Debian CDs yet, so I was really only throwing out an idea that fit with the threads. *shrugs*
That's right, guilt people into paying for free software!
News flash: most people don't really care about Linux or what company survives, but only want what's best for them. By yelling at people and calling them names because they don't pay for something doesn't mean that they will start paying now. No, they will move on to a different distro.
People these days grow up believing that you shouldn't pay for things, especially software, music, and movies. The RIAA, MPAA, or whoever yelling at everyone to pay for it didn't stop people from warezing music and movies, did it? Mandrake has repeatedly asked for financial help from it's users, and where did it get them? Bankruptcy. Yes, you are right, their business model may have sucked, and yes, people aer assholes because they are cheap and want to demolish a company that gave them Mandrake. But your cry is basically going to fall on deaf ears.
People don't care these days, and the companies like Mandrake are going to suffer, and unless someone comes up with some sort of business plan that works around that, then there will be many more companies that follow suit.
Maybe, just maybe, all this time, SuSE has had the right idea.
Why would I want to buy a different operating system and another hard drive just to install games that I can play in Linux anyhow? I fail to see your reasoning.
I don't have THAT much time that I have to play every hyped up unoriginal game that hits the shelves. I don't get that much free time to even play the 30 or so Linux games that I do already own.
I do really want to play games on my computer, but there is still no reason why I can't just use Linux.
And as far as Linux being a hassle goes, have you not ever had a BSOD or DLL conflicts or any other common Windows problem? If you *really* want to play games without any extra effort, you'd buy a PS2 or an XBox.
...will this allow Microsoft operating systems to actually install???
And what about Internet Explorer? How will it check if IE has a nasty hole in it that will allow someone to format my hard drive just by visiting a webpage?
And Microsoft Office? Will it let me install that?
Will it let ANY Microsoft software be installed at all?
I don't even want to know how you knew that "Big Black Cock" was the name of a magazine.
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I believe that Ark Linux has it's place amongst the distros, and if you do it right, it will be easily better than Lycoris and Lindows.
I am still using Mandrake, and I hope that they don't decide to change directions like Red Hat did. I may have to look at using Debian. In fact, I'm gonna try Woody (I hated Potato) soon enough.
I prefer to have the 50 editors, 4 DEs, 20 WMs, and 30 MP3 players. I just don't have to install the ones that I don't want to. Mandrake is, thus far, the perfect distro for me. Ark Linux would be a step backwards for me, but that doesn't mean that it can't be good too.
I'll test the distro after you release a non-alpha/beta 1.0 release, and decide if I should recommend others to use it or not. I wish you luck.
So what? You didn't specify that in your original challenge. I assumed that you knew that you can't add custom content to a PS2 game, but instead you were just being an ass.
Oh, and by the way, the main reason that *I* was waiting for 3 years to by Neverwinter Nights was for the single-player game. Not everyone in the world wants online-only games. Not everyone wants to create custom content. Not everyone.
You never specified that. You said a "game like NWN" which could mean how it plays. I guess your point is that users can't add content to games for consoles, but my point is that if I had a PS2, I could play those games, whereas if I have Linux, I can't play NWN. At least not yet.
In any case, I was just answering your question, and I still feel that my answer was valid.
It never ceases to amaze me how a simple news announcement about a game running on a different operating system than Windows can attract so many people who talk out their ass and are here for the primary purpose of trolling.
How can you say that Linux doesn't "run games well" just because Windows XP has more games available?
Have you ever compared the performance of any Linux game with Windows games? Of course not. If you have, you'd clearly see that in some cases, Windows is better, as you say, but in other cases, Linux is better. Therefore, you can not say that one performs better than the other.
As for Windows having so many great games, well... There are more factors that I base my operating system on than just a wide choice of games.
For one, the ratio of crap games to total games for Linux is much better than the same ratio for Windows. Do Linux users get the opportunity to buy crap such as Pool of Radiance? No. What about Extreme Paint Brawl, Extreme Paint Brawl 2, or Extreme Paint Brawl 4? No. What about Snowmobile Racing? No. What about Extreme Paint Brawl 3? No (and neither do Windows users, luckily). Point is, we may not have that many games to choose from, but the games that we do get are quality games. Sure, you may not have warezed^W bought them yet because they aren't hyped up like 99% of the games you probably do run, but if you actually try the game, it is just as good as the next game. I would never have known how good Majesty was had I not played the Linux port. The same will be true of the newly announced ports. I've not heard of them until yesterday.
I don't use Linux because it's free, as you say. If you ever actually gave it a chance and tried to learn how to use it (if you have the capability to learn how to use an OS that doesn't look like it was designed in Flash by some kindergarten kids) then you would not want to go back to Windows. Whether you believe it or not, Windows *is* restrictive. It doesn't let me do half of the stuff that I want to do. To put it bluntly, it sucks for someone who knows how to use a computer more than just by clicking on icons.
If you don't mind, would you stop stereotyping Linux users as people who warez software? I know, you most likely do it because somewhere, deep down inside of you, you have some sort of heart (maybe not much of one, but it's a heart nonetheless) and it tells you that you have to insult others to make up for your own shortcomings in life.
The reality is that people warez software REGARDLESS OF WHAT OPERATING SYSTEM THEY RUN.
However, I'm sure that the percentage of Linux users who don't is much higher than that of Windows users (not counting the poseurs that run WineX to play their warezed copies of WC3 (oh hell, counting them too even)).
Alot of my friends play WarCraft III and Battlefield 1942, and they continually bombard me with comments like "get Windows again so you can play with us." To that I ask them to buy me a copy of the game and I'll consider it, and they promptly reply that they can burn me a copy of their copy, which was burned from someone elses copy, which was downloaded from KaZaa. Out of all of the people that I know that play WarCraft III, not a single one of them actually bought it. Same goes for BF1942. And yet somehow it is people like me, people that actually pay for games they play, that get labelled as software "pirates" and the like. Hell, I've even bought games that I don't play, mainly because I don't have time. How is it fair? The operating system that you use doesn't have any effect on how much software you pirate. If it does, and you want to argue it, then you have to wake up to your own arguments that Windows has much more and "better" software, which would increase the amount of warezing going on now, wouldn't it? Of course it would.
Like you say, if anyone wants a large quantity of games, they can use Windows, sure. But if anyone wants a decent, stable, working OS that does exactly what you tell it to do, nothing more, and nothing less, then they use Linux, and get their gaming fix from a console or make due with what they've got to choose from. Me? I have just got a PSone so I can buy lots of cheap (as in price) games locally. I do buy games online from TuxGames (ask Michael Simms), as well as via eBay and a few local EBs that have old Loki stock.
The problem that we have here is twofold - we can't boycott buying CDs, because if we do, the RIAA will claim that the lack of sales is due to increased piracy, and we can't buy more CDs because the RIAA covers up their sales figures.
The RIAA is continually getting stupider and stupider as time goes on.
Soon they will be selling music on CDs that crash computers, blow speakers, ruin automobile decks, and automatically erase after 12 hours.
I don't know what we can do anymore.
I am amazed at the people here who haven't bothered to even contact BioWare directly about this.
They can't use DivX because the license for them costs too much - $XXX thousand is steep, for a Linux port...
They are most likely going to go with MPEG, as this is what Loki had to do with some of their games.
And the client's delay most likely has nothing to do with the videos - rather, they would release a client without videos temporarily and add their support in later. They probably just put the information on the client page to inform us of what they are doing.
But alas, their efforts are for naught, as usual, as the Linux users don't give a damn. They whine that there isn't enough information, and then when BioWare provides more, the Linux users hurl more stones at them because they just don't release a non-functioning client.
Very sad indeed. No wonder Blizzard doesn't listen to Linux users anymore. And soon, BioWare won't either.
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The person writing Battle Pong today might be writing Unreal 3 tomorrow.
When do I start???!!?
Certainly you are correct. I don't think they ought to take ALL of Mandrake's stuff, but the sheer fact that it even is GPLd would give them a starting point to work from, wouldn't it?
And GUI tools that don't respect the manual changes suck royally.
Anyhow, I'm not a developer, and I've not even got my Debian CDs yet, so I was really only throwing out an idea that fit with the threads. *shrugs*
You mean, like OS X?
No, he means like Lindows.
That's right, guilt people into paying for free software!
News flash: most people don't really care about Linux or what company survives, but only want what's best for them. By yelling at people and calling them names because they don't pay for something doesn't mean that they will start paying now. No, they will move on to a different distro.
People these days grow up believing that you shouldn't pay for things, especially software, music, and movies. The RIAA, MPAA, or whoever yelling at everyone to pay for it didn't stop people from warezing music and movies, did it? Mandrake has repeatedly asked for financial help from it's users, and where did it get them? Bankruptcy. Yes, you are right, their business model may have sucked, and yes, people aer assholes because they are cheap and want to demolish a company that gave them Mandrake. But your cry is basically going to fall on deaf ears.
People don't care these days, and the companies like Mandrake are going to suffer, and unless someone comes up with some sort of business plan that works around that, then there will be many more companies that follow suit.
Maybe, just maybe, all this time, SuSE has had the right idea.
It wouldn't hurt to try, at least for some things.
Mandrake's installer is pretty good, but a few improvements can be made.
Also, the config tools (the ones that work) are great.
However, I don't think that it would happen, given that it hasn't happened yet, and Mandrake's tools are all released under the GPL.
They had better watch who they step on...
And if I were them, I'd start calling it GNU/Lindows, for their sake.
I think I'll make a new OS based on BSD.
I'll call it Bindows. Then I'll steal all the Lindows users.
Who's with me?
Oh wait, it's been done.
I guess I never got to the level with the shotgun.
Well, when BSD gets keyboard support, I'm sure someone will start looking at it more seriously as an alternate operating system.
Why would I want to buy a different operating system and another hard drive just to install games that I can play in Linux anyhow? I fail to see your reasoning.
I don't have THAT much time that I have to play every hyped up unoriginal game that hits the shelves. I don't get that much free time to even play the 30 or so Linux games that I do already own.
I do really want to play games on my computer, but there is still no reason why I can't just use Linux.
And as far as Linux being a hassle goes, have you not ever had a BSOD or DLL conflicts or any other common Windows problem? If you *really* want to play games without any extra effort, you'd buy a PS2 or an XBox.
Some people can use P2P software legally, without downloading things that they have no right to download.
I fail to see how come they are allowed to do this.
...will this allow Microsoft operating systems to actually install???
And what about Internet Explorer? How will it check if IE has a nasty hole in it that will allow someone to format my hard drive just by visiting a webpage?
And Microsoft Office? Will it let me install that?
Will it let ANY Microsoft software be installed at all?
I don't even want to know how you knew that "Big Black Cock" was the name of a magazine.
I believe that Ark Linux has it's place amongst the distros, and if you do it right, it will be easily better than Lycoris and Lindows.
I am still using Mandrake, and I hope that they don't decide to change directions like Red Hat did. I may have to look at using Debian. In fact, I'm gonna try Woody (I hated Potato) soon enough.
I prefer to have the 50 editors, 4 DEs, 20 WMs, and 30 MP3 players. I just don't have to install the ones that I don't want to. Mandrake is, thus far, the perfect distro for me. Ark Linux would be a step backwards for me, but that doesn't mean that it can't be good too.
I'll test the distro after you release a non-alpha/beta 1.0 release, and decide if I should recommend others to use it or not. I wish you luck.
So what? You didn't specify that in your original challenge. I assumed that you knew that you can't add custom content to a PS2 game, but instead you were just being an ass.
Oh, and by the way, the main reason that *I* was waiting for 3 years to by Neverwinter Nights was for the single-player game. Not everyone in the world wants online-only games. Not everyone wants to create custom content. Not everyone.
You never specified that. You said a "game like NWN" which could mean how it plays. I guess your point is that users can't add content to games for consoles, but my point is that if I had a PS2, I could play those games, whereas if I have Linux, I can't play NWN. At least not yet.
In any case, I was just answering your question, and I still feel that my answer was valid.
Show me one game on the console like NeverWinter Nights.
Mmk.... Summoner and Summoner 2.
Dude, just look at that Zelda game on the Gamecube!
That just _screams_ harcore!
It never ceases to amaze me how a simple news announcement about a game running on a different operating system than Windows can attract so many people who talk out their ass and are here for the primary purpose of trolling.
How can you say that Linux doesn't "run games well" just because Windows XP has more games available?
Have you ever compared the performance of any Linux game with Windows games? Of course not. If you have, you'd clearly see that in some cases, Windows is better, as you say, but in other cases, Linux is better. Therefore, you can not say that one performs better than the other.
As for Windows having so many great games, well... There are more factors that I base my operating system on than just a wide choice of games.
For one, the ratio of crap games to total games for Linux is much better than the same ratio for Windows. Do Linux users get the opportunity to buy crap such as Pool of Radiance? No. What about Extreme Paint Brawl, Extreme Paint Brawl 2, or Extreme Paint Brawl 4? No. What about Snowmobile Racing? No. What about Extreme Paint Brawl 3? No (and neither do Windows users, luckily). Point is, we may not have that many games to choose from, but the games that we do get are quality games. Sure, you may not have warezed^W bought them yet because they aren't hyped up like 99% of the games you probably do run, but if you actually try the game, it is just as good as the next game. I would never have known how good Majesty was had I not played the Linux port. The same will be true of the newly announced ports. I've not heard of them until yesterday.
I don't use Linux because it's free, as you say. If you ever actually gave it a chance and tried to learn how to use it (if you have the capability to learn how to use an OS that doesn't look like it was designed in Flash by some kindergarten kids) then you would not want to go back to Windows. Whether you believe it or not, Windows *is* restrictive. It doesn't let me do half of the stuff that I want to do. To put it bluntly, it sucks for someone who knows how to use a computer more than just by clicking on icons.
If you don't mind, would you stop stereotyping Linux users as people who warez software? I know, you most likely do it because somewhere, deep down inside of you, you have some sort of heart (maybe not much of one, but it's a heart nonetheless) and it tells you that you have to insult others to make up for your own shortcomings in life.
The reality is that people warez software REGARDLESS OF WHAT OPERATING SYSTEM THEY RUN.
However, I'm sure that the percentage of Linux users who don't is much higher than that of Windows users (not counting the poseurs that run WineX to play their warezed copies of WC3 (oh hell, counting them too even)).
Alot of my friends play WarCraft III and Battlefield 1942, and they continually bombard me with comments like "get Windows again so you can play with us." To that I ask them to buy me a copy of the game and I'll consider it, and they promptly reply that they can burn me a copy of their copy, which was burned from someone elses copy, which was downloaded from KaZaa. Out of all of the people that I know that play WarCraft III, not a single one of them actually bought it. Same goes for BF1942. And yet somehow it is people like me, people that actually pay for games they play, that get labelled as software "pirates" and the like. Hell, I've even bought games that I don't play, mainly because I don't have time. How is it fair? The operating system that you use doesn't have any effect on how much software you pirate. If it does, and you want to argue it, then you have to wake up to your own arguments that Windows has much more and "better" software, which would increase the amount of warezing going on now, wouldn't it? Of course it would.
Like you say, if anyone wants a large quantity of games, they can use Windows, sure. But if anyone wants a decent, stable, working OS that does exactly what you tell it to do, nothing more, and nothing less, then they use Linux, and get their gaming fix from a console or make due with what they've got to choose from. Me? I have just got a PSone so I can buy lots of cheap (as in price) games locally. I do buy games online from TuxGames (ask Michael Simms), as well as via eBay and a few local EBs that have old Loki stock.
I was with you right up until that last line.
There's a cool game called Cube, and if it gets better, THAT would be a neat game to see included in distros.
omg lolololol roflrofl
The problem that we have here is twofold - we can't boycott buying CDs, because if we do, the RIAA will claim that the lack of sales is due to increased piracy, and we can't buy more CDs because the RIAA covers up their sales figures. The RIAA is continually getting stupider and stupider as time goes on. Soon they will be selling music on CDs that crash computers, blow speakers, ruin automobile decks, and automatically erase after 12 hours. I don't know what we can do anymore.
I am amazed at the people here who haven't bothered to even contact BioWare directly about this.
They can't use DivX because the license for them costs too much - $XXX thousand is steep, for a Linux port...
They are most likely going to go with MPEG, as this is what Loki had to do with some of their games.
And the client's delay most likely has nothing to do with the videos - rather, they would release a client without videos temporarily and add their support in later. They probably just put the information on the client page to inform us of what they are doing.
But alas, their efforts are for naught, as usual, as the Linux users don't give a damn. They whine that there isn't enough information, and then when BioWare provides more, the Linux users hurl more stones at them because they just don't release a non-functioning client.
Very sad indeed. No wonder Blizzard doesn't listen to Linux users anymore. And soon, BioWare won't either.
Raven used it for SoF2, and I believe JK2 used it as well... If I remember right, that is.