Modded to 0, flamebait. I certainly couldn't have predicted that.:-D
Good job Slashdotters, you really _dont_ have a herd mentality. The parent post is still not insightful, in fact it is completely wrong. But it is +5 because it says what we want to hear!
Express a non-leftist position, get modded down. Slashdot, defender of Freedom. The Freedom to Agree with us.
Typical hypocrisy of the left. We Defend Individual Freedoms, well, the ones we tell you to. The Freedom to Disagree with the Leftist Agenda is not one of them.
Sad. It is also the reason your political influence is waning as fast as it is. You ever more frequently speak without any reason or thoughfulness, only hypocrytical stances filled with absurd hyperbole. You marginalize yourselves.
Resolution for what? Sadam still being the legal leader of his country?
I din't realize faked elections where you get 100% of the vote qualified as legal.
Did he have WMD? Nope.
He didn't? What did he drop on the Kurds and Iranians? What were those test on the Tigris water showing? Oh wait, you mean he had but *possibly* hid, destroyed or desposed of, I get it.
Was he a threat to our "allies"?
- To Kuwait, whose citizens now hate us? Not really.
They hate us? I guess you have not been there. Last I was there, they were quite grateful for expelling Saddam after he had raped their women and looted their country.
To Israel? HAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, right.
Good argument. HAHAHAHAHA, I will have to try that sometime. I know, missiles landing in your backyard are not a threat.
To Saudi Arabia, homeland of most of the 9/11 terrorists? No.
Another well-substantiated argument. Why that sand is going to keep Saddam away the same way it worked for the Kuwaitis and Iranians.
Try watching something other than CNN once in awhile and form a rational, balanced opinion instead of the horsecrap you just tried to spew - which was of course moderated up in typical Slashdot herd liberalism mentality, regardless of its merits. It was about as insightful as a goatse post.
I, I've been watching you. I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya. Said I, I'm litigatious. Nerd, I'd love to show ya, show ya.
(chorus) My lawsuit love, yeah. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh! I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya. Lawsuit love. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh! Nerd, I'm gonna own ya, own ya.
You, you're an OS star. I think I wanna swipe it, swipe it. I ain't playin', said I am quite litigatiuos. Take you to my crib, rip you off.
(chorus) My lawsuit love, yeah. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh! I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya. Lawsuit love. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh! Nerd, I'm gonna own ya, own ya.
Come on Linus, where's your guts? You wanna make love or what?
I wanna take you to my cage, lock you up and hide the key. You only get water and to look at MFC. Then you'll have a breakdown and give your code to me.
(chorus) My lawsuit love, yeah. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh! I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya. Lawsuit love. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh! Nerd, I'm gonna own ya, own ya.
I think I wanna... I wanna file my case.
(chorus) My lawsuit love, yeah. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh! I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya. Lawsuit love. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh! Nerd, I'm gonna own ya, own ya.
Lawsuit love, that's right. Can't nobody fuck with me? I got 80 lines of crappy code, I got a contract with IBM too. And I'm all the way wild Torvy. All the things I could do to you.
If it helps advertisers understand what ads people watch and why then you will get better ads. Better ads = more ads people will watch. More ads people will watch will result in higher quality ads, ones that might actually provide information that is useful to you or even somewhat entertaining.
This has to be better than the endless flood of mindless ads they shove at us now. As long as the information is only used in the aggregate, I see only positives from this.
I hear and understand you now as well. It is refreshing to have an intelligent thread/communication here. They seem rare these days.:)
You are right, I was making a legal distinction and posted a doctionary definition. I am lazy and m-w.com is in my Moz toolbar.:-D I should have used the legal definition from a US statute.
I also agree with the comment below yours however on what they mean by immaterial. If it qualified as theft (legally) that is what the RIAA would be seeking as the penalty.
That's correct, but it requires the removal or deprivation of the use of of the property from another.
Let's forget music for a minute. If you write a book, and I photocpy/make/print 1,000,000 unauthorized copies of it, I haven't stolen anything. I have deprived you of possible earning and income, but you have at no time had this money in your posession, so I haven't stolen, I have deprived.
I have indeed commited a crime however and will be punished. The infraction is a violation of copyright, not theft.
Just to be clear, I am not defending illegal file traders, I am just placing it in its appropriate context. They aren't thieves or pirates. Yarr!
What's even funnier is the guy misidentifying something as theft when it is clearly and undeniably affixed in the law as coyright infringment is the only one who got modded up.
Be completely wrong - get karma. I love Slashdot.:-D
No, you haven't stolen a thing. You have made an illegal copy. A copyright infringement.
Theft: 1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property
You have deprived noone of their property. You have illegally copied it.
I honestly don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping this simple, factual idea.
Well if anybody has enough attorneys and money to bring the Patent Problem into the spotlight, it is Wal-Mart and their 9 gazillion dollars in revenue.
Sorry but once all DVDs are re-released under DRM no classics will be able to be used.
If nobody buys them, they won't be released with DRM. The media companies are there to make money. It is people that shrug their shoulders and buy them anyway that are allowing them to widen the scope.
As for no entertainment, buy a concert ticket, see a broadway show, do any one of a number of things. Movies and bad spoon fed music aren't the only games in town. -- Vote on the AIX license revocation.
Thanks for the clarification. I think you are right about it being Sun, actually. It would explain why both SCO and Sun claim that Sun is in the clear. Also, the second licensee is supposed to be just a modification to a pre-existing licensee, which of course Sun is.
Am i reading that wrong, or does that say "Microsoft gets to fund our FUD campaign, and we will give them 210,000 stock options, so that they can sell them and make back the licensing costs as our stock get artificially inflated stock price".
Am I losing my mind or did they just give Microsoft a way of purchasing FUD and then getting (at least some) of their FUD money back?
I read SCO's comments differently. To me they seem to be saying "there are tons of other stuff based on Linux out there now. Like TiVo and embedded devices. We deserve royalty payments for all of this stuff too!".
Brazil mandated that since all government data must be accessible by the populace, so must the tools to access it, as they can't be locked into a situation where the vendor controls the data.
Which is why my original post said I was OK with mandating open sourced file formats and protocols.
I think all the governments who are concerned with this type of situation (and that should be all of them) should work on enhancing open office's formats, as they are open. Then we can have Universal Word Processing format and Universal Spreadhseet Format and anyone will be able to exchange information with anyone else. And any software company or developer can incorporate the ability to read and write those formats. We can thus break the stranglehold MS currently has on information.
I respectfully disagree with your position, but I do understand it. And I am ok with that too.:-) -- Who do YOU think owns Unix?
IMO, and that is all it is, an opinion, if you mandate that software must have a particular license than you have forced yourself into choosing from that particular subset of software (that which is licensed in the way you have mandated). You thus automatically exclude what may be better, but not "licensed according to the mandate" software.
This is just as wrong as if a country mandated 80% Microsoft. Mandate open file formats and protocols, but don't mandate people or agencies MUST use a specific type of software. -- Who do YOU think owns UNIX?
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Yawn. I suggest you improve your reasoning skills so you don't have to resort to name calling in the future.
Please tell the unwashed masses, especially the morons like myself, why freedom to choose the license I wish to isn't freedom.
Dude, license your code however you want to and let others do the same. That is freedom, not the preachy stuff you just wrote.
Not very hard, is it?
Modded to 0, flamebait. I certainly couldn't have predicted that. :-D
Good job Slashdotters, you really _dont_ have a herd mentality. The parent post is still not insightful, in fact it is completely wrong. But it is +5 because it says what we want to hear!
Express a non-leftist position, get modded down. Slashdot, defender of Freedom. The Freedom to Agree with us.
Typical hypocrisy of the left. We Defend Individual Freedoms, well, the ones we tell you to. The Freedom to Disagree with the Leftist Agenda is not one of them.
Sad. It is also the reason your political influence is waning as fast as it is. You ever more frequently speak without any reason or thoughfulness, only hypocrytical stances filled with absurd hyperbole. You marginalize yourselves.
Resolution for what? Sadam still being the legal leader of his country?
I din't realize faked elections where you get 100% of the vote qualified as legal.
Did he have WMD? Nope.
He didn't? What did he drop on the Kurds and Iranians? What were those test on the Tigris water showing? Oh wait, you mean he had but *possibly* hid, destroyed or desposed of, I get it.
Was he a threat to our "allies"?
- To Kuwait, whose citizens now hate us? Not really.
They hate us? I guess you have not been there. Last I was there, they were quite grateful for expelling Saddam after he had raped their women and looted their country.
To Israel? HAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, right.
Good argument. HAHAHAHAHA, I will have to try that sometime. I know, missiles landing in your backyard are not a threat.
To Saudi Arabia, homeland of most of the 9/11 terrorists? No.
Another well-substantiated argument. Why that sand is going to keep Saddam away the same way it worked for the Kuwaitis and Iranians.
Try watching something other than CNN once in awhile and form a rational, balanced opinion instead of the horsecrap you just tried to spew - which was of course moderated up in typical Slashdot herd liberalism mentality, regardless of its merits. It was about as insightful as a goatse post.
Fucking fucking losers... alright, I have karma to burn (and enemies to make I guess)...
:-P
Considering I saw this under Ford Explorers making coffee, I take it yours does not make decaf.
With apologies to Morris Day & The Time.
... I wanna file my case.
SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
I, I've been watching you. I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya.
Said I, I'm litigatious. Nerd, I'd love to show ya, show ya.
(chorus)
My lawsuit love, yeah. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya.
Lawsuit love. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
Nerd, I'm gonna own ya, own ya.
You, you're an OS star. I think I wanna swipe it, swipe it.
I ain't playin', said I am quite litigatiuos. Take you to my crib, rip you off.
(chorus)
My lawsuit love, yeah. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya.
Lawsuit love. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
Nerd, I'm gonna own ya, own ya.
Come on Linus, where's your guts? You wanna make love or what?
I wanna take you to my cage, lock you up and hide the key.
You only get water and to look at MFC. Then you'll have a breakdown and give your code to me.
(chorus)
My lawsuit love, yeah. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya.
Lawsuit love. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
Nerd, I'm gonna own ya, own ya.
I think I wanna
(chorus)
My lawsuit love, yeah. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
I think I wanna sue ya, sue ya.
Lawsuit love. SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
Nerd, I'm gonna own ya, own ya.
Lawsuit love, that's right. Can't nobody fuck with me?
I got 80 lines of crappy code, I got a contract with IBM too.
And I'm all the way wild Torvy. All the things I could do to you.
SCO-wee-oh-wee-oh!
Lawsuit love. Yes! That's it. Ha haa!
If it helps advertisers understand what ads people watch and why then you will get better ads. Better ads = more ads people will watch. More ads people will watch will result in higher quality ads, ones that might actually provide information that is useful to you or even somewhat entertaining.
This has to be better than the endless flood of mindless ads they shove at us now. As long as the information is only used in the aggregate, I see only positives from this.
The link you are looking for I believe is this:
a rc hives.php?id=65
http://www.lindows.com/lindows_michaelsminutes_
It's nice to see a legal perspective on the case, but what I want is to hear how a 7th grader feels about the case.
Go to your Slashdot preferences; set story comments to ON.
HTH!
I hear and understand you now as well. It is refreshing to have an intelligent thread/communication here. They seem rare these days. :)
:-D I should have used the legal definition from a US statute.
You are right, I was making a legal distinction and posted a doctionary definition. I am lazy and m-w.com is in my Moz toolbar.
I also agree with the comment below yours however on what they mean by immaterial. If it qualified as theft (legally) that is what the RIAA would be seeking as the penalty.
That's correct, but it requires the removal or deprivation of the use of of the property from another.
Let's forget music for a minute. If you write a book, and I photocpy/make/print 1,000,000 unauthorized copies of it, I haven't stolen anything. I have deprived you of possible earning and income, but you have at no time had this money in your posession, so I haven't stolen, I have deprived.
I have indeed commited a crime however and will be punished. The infraction is a violation of copyright, not theft.
Just to be clear, I am not defending illegal file traders, I am just placing it in its appropriate context. They aren't thieves or pirates. Yarr!
What's even funnier is the guy misidentifying something as theft when it is clearly and undeniably affixed in the law as coyright infringment is the only one who got modded up.
:-D
Be completely wrong - get karma. I love Slashdot.
No, you haven't stolen a thing. You have made an illegal copy. A copyright infringement.
Theft:
1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property
You have deprived noone of their property. You have illegally copied it.
I honestly don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping this simple, factual idea.
Stop stealing.
Nobody is stealing. They are infringing on someone's copyright. Big difference.
Dude, he didn't call it Microsoft for no reason.
Well if anybody has enough attorneys and money to bring the Patent Problem into the spotlight, it is Wal-Mart and their 9 gazillion dollars in revenue.
I'm anti people without a sense of humor.
Be careful or I will release the Fembots. Wait till you see their knee-jerks.
--
Closing Windows. Opening Eyes.
Linux-Universe
Dear Engineers,
Somebody power up one of the lasers and aim at the plaintiff's attorneys.
Thank you,
Geeks for Tort Reform
--
Closing Windows. Opening Eyes.
Linux-Universe
Sorry but once all DVDs are re-released under DRM no classics will be able to be used.
If nobody buys them, they won't be released with DRM. The media companies are there to make money. It is people that shrug their shoulders and buy them anyway that are allowing them to widen the scope.
As for no entertainment, buy a concert ticket, see a broadway show, do any one of a number of things. Movies and bad spoon fed music aren't the only games in town.
--
Vote on the AIX license revocation.
Thanks for the clarification. I think you are right about it being Sun, actually. It would explain why both SCO and Sun claim that Sun is in the clear. Also, the second licensee is supposed to be just a modification to a pre-existing licensee, which of course Sun is.
Am i reading that wrong, or does that say "Microsoft gets to fund our FUD campaign, and we will give them 210,000 stock options, so that they can sell them and make back the licensing costs as our stock get artificially inflated stock price".
Am I losing my mind or did they just give Microsoft a way of purchasing FUD and then getting (at least some) of their FUD money back?
I read SCO's comments differently. To me they seem to be saying "there are tons of other stuff based on Linux out there now. Like TiVo and embedded devices. We deserve royalty payments for all of this stuff too!".
Brazil mandated that since all government data must be accessible by the populace, so must the tools to access it, as they can't be locked into a situation where the vendor controls the data.
:-)
Which is why my original post said I was OK with mandating open sourced file formats and protocols.
I think all the governments who are concerned with this type of situation (and that should be all of them) should work on enhancing open office's formats, as they are open. Then we can have Universal Word Processing format and Universal Spreadhseet Format and anyone will be able to exchange information with anyone else. And any software company or developer can incorporate the ability to read and write those formats. We can thus break the stranglehold MS currently has on information.
I respectfully disagree with your position, but I do understand it. And I am ok with that too.
--
Who do YOU think owns Unix?
IMO, and that is all it is, an opinion, if you mandate that software must have a particular license than you have forced yourself into choosing from that particular subset of software (that which is licensed in the way you have mandated). You thus automatically exclude what may be better, but not "licensed according to the mandate" software.
As I said, just my opinion.
--
FSF's Lawyer Speaks Out On SCO
This is just as wrong as if a country mandated 80% Microsoft. Mandate open file formats and protocols, but don't mandate people or agencies MUST use a specific type of software.
--
Who do YOU think owns UNIX?