This is the sort of job visual basic (classic) can be good at. Interaction with MS objects is simple in this environment and theres plenty of help in the IDE. It lives on a machine quite nicely and is certainly quick enough since most operations will be at the speed of the apps, excel word or ado for the data.
All very "enterprisey"(-4 years) and works on everything from 95 to now with minimal effort just install office and your app and everything is there.
Write a new extractor for each report required and let it grab data as required and push it into the outputs.
Its macro-macros.
ot: does the.net experience appeal? theres gotta be some VB devs hanging around here - where have you lot started moving to since v6.0 'closed' its doors?
Afterall it is an online community of folks. No age restrictions and I'm sure some congress folks could have things to say about the GNAA type trolling.
before you say anything - yes i know the slashdot stereotype doesn't have the same bling factor as myspace in the eyes of the teens, but the principal remains.
One would assume they mean the keys to stored data. If you generated a new key every session what would be the point of keeping all that random data (because by throwing the key away every day everything you do is lost)?
First, I am glad they said in the UK, because 100mbit cyber cafes aren't special everywhere.
Also, I notice they have had to tip toe around what it can be used for:
Adrian Hosford of BT said: "It would be possible to use the cafe's computers to download in less than 15 minutes a file the equivalent size of the DVD version of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, with its 19,000 illustrations, 629 audio and video clips and 100,000 articles.
It seems like they are trying almost too hard to explain how quick it is, afterall, I never rate my downloads in terms of how many "dvd copies of a paper encyclopedia with illustrations and video clips" I just say its shit-hot. We need it in terms we can understand like how many TPG/s can we view? will google earth run smoothly without appearing to break up or pixelate no matter where I zoom or rotate to? can I wipe out my friends in CS:S by having a l33t connection?
Another article I was reading earlier about this mentions why the special people were chosen to open it:
The new internet café will be officially declared open by Helston Community College pupils Chloe Smith and James Evans, both aged 17, who have demonstrated outstanding acumen in the field of information technology.
Not too much of a change, more like making use of the resources slashdot has to offer. Auto moderation and overviews using the threshholds might follow the thread but they lack the important part. it does require editing to make it work.
Obviously you play it by ear. Theres no point in wasting your upstream bandwidth uploading the entire source tree to every release of your software to the FTP when noone is requesting it.
Its much more sensible to upload your modifications and inform people where the corporate supported base code resides.
If needs change and people start having trouble obtaining the base code or begin requesting the merged source of every release then you change tact, get some more webspace/bandwidth and start uploading everything (by this time, the number of visitors and users will be so much higher that you should have a business model in place to absorb hosting costs, even if it is donation driven)
All this is supposed to encourage you to use section (a) and distribute the source code with the binaries.. why is that so hard?
Because it will make every download practically 10 times bigger across the entire board benefitting only the handful of people who might actually be interested in the code. They currently have a viable means of getting that code so why make it difficult for everyone?
I don't think the net is ready for it yet (38mb to download firefox vs about 5 currently, 350mb for openoffice 90-120 currently)
There is no requirement to keep the source code available online to every single release you have ever done, but it makes SENSE to keep it stored away on CD inside a filing cabinet. If somebody comes to you in 3 years with a request to the source code, you can return the EXACT code he had from the release he is requesting.
It is not breaking any clause of the GPL and would infact be a worthy test of a company to produce such data.
The daytime software I work on is closed source, however we use the same thinking there. I can go into our files and produce a CD containing the entire code and packages for every single release of the software we have made since the DOS days.
To my knowledge however we have only ever required it ONCE. If it were open source, why would I waste the space to keep that online? (there are around 90 release CDs available, each around 400mb)
Remember, this applies equally to kernel hackers as well as people creating derivatives from other GPL software.
From: mrAngry@snootygits.com Subject: I want the source code to your system!
Polite Reply: If you would like the source code you are welcome to have it. Please note however that I have only made changes to a few of the thousands of x system source files.
There are 2 ways that you can have it, the simplest being go to my upstream system writer and download the base code which I used and see the src folder on my FTP/CVS/web server for my own modifications.
Otherwise I am willing to post you a CD/DVD containing the entire source code (original and my modifications). I cannot unfortunately upload the entire x GB folder since I do not have the bandwidth to spare. Please note however, there will be an administration and postage charge of £10 if you require a DVD image.
have a nice day.
Anyone making source modifications to a system must have at least one source copy of the original so be respectful but don't waste your time worrying about it.
The speed of this turnaround was mainly due to being able to take off from the same spot it landed on. Its like the old Lunar Lander games where you just boost back up into the sky after refueling.
Ok, there seems to be some errors and misfirings here, so I will attempt to clarify and align some dates and times.
Because of the lack of evidence, I have to bring things from numerous sources.
The article "AICN under fire" attributed earlier in this discussion as having the first archived comment was spidered by the internet archive on January 13th 1998 at 19:44:55. This is not the earliest slashdot article and comment I found. During the same spidering run by the archive, the spider grabs more than a single page. slashdot has a link to previous article which can be followed in the archive.
Intel Releases 266 Pentium (sidenote: wow, I had one of those for ages) Pentium Bug Jasper Nuyens Fri Jan 09 at 4:20PM EST
Just a question that came into my mind:
is the (quiet old) pentiumbug still 'working' on this faster processor? I don't know much of processor-development but I understood it takes alot of time to finish such a thing.... just curious.
Jasper:)
A sibling poster has remarked that slashdot cannot find any of its comments for the 1998 year, this appears to be correct. The first comment in the live slashdot database appears to come on 1st January 1999.
This probably marked a change in the database and web interface format because previously (and concurrently as it happens) the articleID was a numeric. I found the same article had been archived as well as being live using its old artnum variable and the new date format.
This ties the articles with their origins, and extrapolating back at about 2-3 articles per day brings the artnum back to the start which roughly matches up with with the Chips&Dips days (if I were creating a system it makes sense to start with article 1)
Don't get me wrong, I do goto digg and I read some of the postings and agree in total it gets the pulse.
Diggnation is perhaps the best thing to come from it and using the top X tables would be more stable for myself, but the standard front page moves too quickly for my liking.
We complain about dupes here on slashdot, but purely because such a small group of people get to clear the articles there are a lot less than on digg. A dupe (which is fresh to 1000's of people who don't watch the front page like a hawk) can be dugg up and down at the same time with both sides being right.
Slash (for all our bitching) does eliminate most of this by simply avoiding the issue, whilst that may mean we miss an article then so be it, I'm not going to cry that I missed it first time round.
What I don't know won't hurt me. I don't think theres been a large story completely bypassed by slashdot yet - sure they might be late, but thats down to us not submitting eye catching postings.
I live in England and I agree with your coffee/advice line. Whenever I have some time (just meandering around shopping etc) I will stop and talk to some of the folks and most are happy to sit and have a cuppa (sometimes its the first hot thing they have had all day).
In England we have a magazine called The Big Issue which is sold by agents who are homeless or at risk of being. They purchase the magazine at wholesale price (60p) and sell to the public keeping the difference.
I usually pay £2 per issue (even though the cover price is £1.40) purely out of respect for them getting of their arses and doing something to solve the problem.
In all seriousness, there are many homeless folks in this world not all of them have the opportunity to get back on their feet.
Most homeless people aren't there by choice and there are lots of folks who are just 1 pay check away from joining them, spare a thought when your walking around town and if you have some change give generously.
Of course it cannot be that easy, but as the CEO of a company (even a charitable) you earn a salary. That salary is likely to be many times more than yours or mine. Even if those children did nothing more for the rest of their lives, they have a guaranteed income, they are set for life.
Slashdot Mirror
This is the sort of job visual basic (classic) can be good at.
.net experience appeal? theres gotta be some VB devs hanging around here - where have you lot started moving to since v6.0 'closed' its doors?
Interaction with MS objects is simple in this environment and theres plenty of help in the IDE.
It lives on a machine quite nicely and is certainly quick enough since most operations will be at the speed of the apps, excel word or ado for the data.
All very "enterprisey"(-4 years) and works on everything from 95 to now with minimal effort just install office and your app and everything is there.
Write a new extractor for each report required and let it grab data as required and push it into the outputs.
Its macro-macros.
ot: does the
Afterall it is an online community of folks.
No age restrictions and I'm sure some congress folks could have things to say about the GNAA type trolling.
before you say anything - yes i know the slashdot stereotype doesn't have the same bling factor as myspace in the eyes of the teens, but the principal remains.
WTF are you on about, this rides BELOW the operating system.
It has no feasible way of detecting this because the host OS runs exacly as it did before completely oblivious that its not sitting on raw hardware.
There is no spoon.
One would assume they mean the keys to stored data.
If you generated a new key every session what would be the point of keeping all that random data (because by throwing the key away every day everything you do is lost)?
the 61 dishes were there already.
Its a massive communications centre.
the cafe is just a tiny part of it which they have hooked into the direct net feed.
Like having the microwave at springfield nuclear power plant linked directly to the reactor core.
First, I am glad they said in the UK, because 100mbit cyber cafes aren't special everywhere.
Also, I notice they have had to tip toe around what it can be used for:
Adrian Hosford of BT said: "It would be possible to use the cafe's computers to download in less than 15 minutes a file the equivalent size of the DVD version of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, with its 19,000 illustrations, 629 audio and video clips and 100,000 articles.
It seems like they are trying almost too hard to explain how quick it is, afterall, I never rate my downloads in terms of how many "dvd copies of a paper encyclopedia with illustrations and video clips" I just say its shit-hot.
We need it in terms we can understand like how many TPG/s can we view?
will google earth run smoothly without appearing to break up or pixelate no matter where I zoom or rotate to?
can I wipe out my friends in CS:S by having a l33t connection?
Another article I was reading earlier about this mentions why the special people were chosen to open it:
The new internet café will be officially declared open by Helston Community College pupils Chloe Smith and James Evans, both aged 17, who have demonstrated outstanding acumen in the field of information technology.
from here.
(Yes, sisco appear to be hyping this more than the BBC, but then again they supplied some of the high tech equipment.
Not too much of a change, more like making use of the resources slashdot has to offer.
Auto moderation and overviews using the threshholds might follow the thread but they lack the important part.
it does require editing to make it work.
Well done timothy.
Obviously you play it by ear.
Theres no point in wasting your upstream bandwidth uploading the entire source tree to every release of your software to the FTP when noone is requesting it.
Its much more sensible to upload your modifications and inform people where the corporate supported base code resides.
If needs change and people start having trouble obtaining the base code or begin requesting the merged source of every release then you change tact, get some more webspace/bandwidth and start uploading everything (by this time, the number of visitors and users will be so much higher that you should have a business model in place to absorb hosting costs, even if it is donation driven)
All this is supposed to encourage you to use section (a) and distribute the source code with the binaries.. why is that so hard?
Because it will make every download practically 10 times bigger across the entire board benefitting only the handful of people who might actually be interested in the code.
They currently have a viable means of getting that code so why make it difficult for everyone?
I don't think the net is ready for it yet (38mb to download firefox vs about 5 currently, 350mb for openoffice 90-120 currently)
Please don't send the black helicopters.
;)
Here in England, the helicopters are navy blue with pinstripes
Exactly my thinking.
There is no requirement to keep the source code available online to every single release you have ever done, but it makes SENSE to keep it stored away on CD inside a filing cabinet.
If somebody comes to you in 3 years with a request to the source code, you can return the EXACT code he had from the release he is requesting.
It is not breaking any clause of the GPL and would infact be a worthy test of a company to produce such data.
The daytime software I work on is closed source, however we use the same thinking there.
I can go into our files and produce a CD containing the entire code and packages for every single release of the software we have made since the DOS days.
To my knowledge however we have only ever required it ONCE. If it were open source, why would I waste the space to keep that online? (there are around 90 release CDs available, each around 400mb)
Remember, this applies equally to kernel hackers as well as people creating derivatives from other GPL software.
From: mrAngry@snootygits.com
Subject: I want the source code to your system!
Polite Reply:
If you would like the source code you are welcome to have it.
Please note however that I have only made changes to a few of the thousands of x system source files.
There are 2 ways that you can have it, the simplest being go to my upstream system writer and download the base code which I used and see the src folder on my FTP/CVS/web server for my own modifications.
Otherwise I am willing to post you a CD/DVD containing the entire source code (original and my modifications). I cannot unfortunately upload the entire x GB folder since I do not have the bandwidth to spare.
Please note however, there will be an administration and postage charge of £10 if you require a DVD image.
have a nice day.
Anyone making source modifications to a system must have at least one source copy of the original so be respectful but don't waste your time worrying about it.
If you think the original logo was bad, take a look at the songbird bugzilla page.
THey have the logo with cramps, the runs and throwing up.
lovely.
The 26 hour turnaround was for the DC-X.
The speed of this turnaround was mainly due to being able to take off from the same spot it landed on.
Its like the old Lunar Lander games where you just boost back up into the sky after refueling.
Looks very impressive.
Please see this comment.
I did some digging last night and followed on with this thread discussion.
Suffice to say you were close, but there are earlier comments stored inside the archive from the same spidering run.
Ok, there seems to be some errors and misfirings here, so I will attempt to clarify and align some dates and times.
... just curious.
:)
.org/slashdot.cgi?mode=article&artnum=411
Because of the lack of evidence, I have to bring things from numerous sources.
The article "AICN under fire" attributed earlier in this discussion as having the first archived comment was spidered by the internet archive on January 13th 1998 at 19:44:55.
This is not the earliest slashdot article and comment I found.
During the same spidering run by the archive, the spider grabs more than a single page. slashdot has a link to previous article which can be followed in the archive.
Following this link leads to comments starting on the 9th of January 1998 at 16:20:
Intel Releases 266 Pentium (sidenote: wow, I had one of those for ages)
Pentium Bug
Jasper Nuyens
Fri Jan 09 at 4:20PM EST
Just a question that came into my mind:
is the (quiet old) pentiumbug still 'working' on this faster processor? I don't know much of processor-development but I understood it takes alot of time to finish such a thing.
Jasper
A sibling poster has remarked that slashdot cannot find any of its comments for the 1998 year, this appears to be correct.
The first comment in the live slashdot database appears to come on 1st January 1999.
Moving back onto the articles, slashdot articles appear to begin in the live slashdot database on 1st January 1998:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=98/01/01/012000
This probably marked a change in the database and web interface format because previously (and concurrently as it happens) the articleID was a numeric.
I found the same article had been archived as well as being live using its old artnum variable and the new date format.
This ties the articles with their origins, and extrapolating back at about 2-3 articles per day brings the artnum back to the start which roughly matches up with with the Chips&Dips days (if I were creating a system it makes sense to start with article 1)
http://web.archive.org/web/19980113193426/slashdot
And its live version:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=98/01/09/122900
Now, a couple of questions for Taco (if he finds out about my little big of digging),
Do the artnum references actually go all the way back to the C&D database?
what happened to the earlier comments and articles? (it looks like a choice to simply upgrade the db to me)
do you still have them from your C&D/early slash days? (theres an archive grabbed and stored from Chips & Dips in July '97 here)
Was the time between C&D and slashdot a quick changover with essentially no stopping, or did you have a break for a while?
Mini timeline
yyyy mm dd artnum notes
1997 07 29 0xxx Front Page: Chips & Dips archive
1998 01 01 0xxx Article: Become 007 On The Internet First live article, no comments
1998 01 08 0403 Index: Smurf Attacks First article reference in archive (lo
How about going back to the proto-slashdot!
Chips & Dips was Rob's college "blog" which eventually became slashdot.
Some guy has made a page and archive of it, its clear to see the ancestry.
Don't get me wrong, I do goto digg and I read some of the postings and agree in total it gets the pulse.
Diggnation is perhaps the best thing to come from it and using the top X tables would be more stable for myself, but the standard front page moves too quickly for my liking.
We complain about dupes here on slashdot, but purely because such a small group of people get to clear the articles there are a lot less than on digg.
A dupe (which is fresh to 1000's of people who don't watch the front page like a hawk) can be dugg up and down at the same time with both sides being right.
Slash (for all our bitching) does eliminate most of this by simply avoiding the issue, whilst that may mean we miss an article then so be it, I'm not going to cry that I missed it first time round.
What I don't know won't hurt me.
I don't think theres been a large story completely bypassed by slashdot yet - sure they might be late, but thats down to us not submitting eye catching postings.
Diggs problem is the speed of the article flow.
Its like a mashup of slash and fark in fast forward.
Theres never enough time to savour an article.
Slash has the posting speed just about right and the subject matter is spot on.
This article is complete fake, and you know how I know...
Malda knows his subject, and he's a good editor, but in the end, he's just no match for the power of the multitudes.
Only kidding, slash is home I won't believe its dying until netcraft confirms it.
I live in England and I agree with your coffee/advice line.
Whenever I have some time (just meandering around shopping etc) I will stop and talk to some of the folks and most are happy to sit and have a cuppa (sometimes its the first hot thing they have had all day).
In England we have a magazine called The Big Issue which is sold by agents who are homeless or at risk of being.
They purchase the magazine at wholesale price (60p) and sell to the public keeping the difference.
I usually pay £2 per issue (even though the cover price is £1.40) purely out of respect for them getting of their arses and doing something to solve the problem.
I am less tolerant towards outright begging.
Wake up scuttle, you can't run a story like this without linking to thinkgeek!
There's no place like 127.0.0.1
In all seriousness, there are many homeless folks in this world not all of them have the opportunity to get back on their feet.
Most homeless people aren't there by choice and there are lots of folks who are just 1 pay check away from joining them, spare a thought when your walking around town and if you have some change give generously.
I did try looking for this information but couldn't find it.
Thank you for clarifying this and obviously I stand corrected.
Of course it cannot be that easy, but as the CEO of a company (even a charitable) you earn a salary.
That salary is likely to be many times more than yours or mine.
Even if those children did nothing more for the rest of their lives, they have a guaranteed income, they are set for life.
Can you say the same about yourself?
Hang on a minute.
Only one of the 5 charities benefiting from this are to none family members:
The contributions will go to foundations headed by Buffett's three children, Susan, Howard, and Peter, and to the Susan Thompson Buffett Foundation.