Missing are free 3D drivers, too. In fact, on a dual core Atom with PowerVR GPU and ubuntu 13.04, basic xv video output wasn't working properly so you barely have a 2D driver.
8MB is considerably bigger than the BIOS chip on my 3GHz dual core PC, maybe 32x bigger (I don't know exactly what chip it is. I think the BIOS image is well under 100KB anyway).
To me the CPU is meant to be used in embedded systems, where you don't necessarily need ethernet or USB or something else. What's announced here is a low cost general purpose and development board. The integrated 512K of special RAM means it can maybe be used without external memory chips. It's like having a PC that can boot DOS without memory DIMMs.
Which is more likely, your unsubstantiated shit or the website / IT system not able to create like a quarter million user accounts in one hour? I assume there's that kind of burst load or even worse - what do the worst 10 minutes look like? It's obviously hard to bring up a completely new service which experiences that kind of load on day 1 hour 1, just give them time to tune their system, add more servers, tune or upgrade their mainframes if they're using that. People are sweaty busy scrambling to fix the situation.
What's funny is the american sense of entitlement to have some web or gizmo shit work instantly no matter what, whether they pay for it or not, and then they'll all butthurt because of very meeble welfare (food stamps are very low) or because of a new system that helps the working class buy overpriced and weak healthcare.
And it's pretty stupid to disable all these websites. They only would have saved money if they had actually powered down the machines, which they obviously didn't do. So, it was just pointless politicking.
Showing a static html "This site is closed blah blah blah" is congruent with powering down the machines, a PC in a basement can serve that. Importantly the IT staff isn't paid and is out of work.
Thanks, that sounds interesting, I think I've seen it mentioned it somewhere. It might do great things for FirefoxOS, and the web in general. You can see it the other way around : compiling fast code to asm.js:-)
I'm not fearing it that much, these days. - if your app supports X11, you will still able to run it with ssh -X, whether the host it's on runs Wayland, X or nothing at all. An app can conceivably support only X11, only Wayland or both. It's possible the vast majority of stuff you'll run is in the first or 3rd category. - if every Wayland window is a dumb pixel buffer and the VNC-like streaming is more integrated rather than bolt-on like now, it becomes trivial to stream only the app and not a whole desktop (Microsoft has supported this too since Windows 2008).
If the end you can even benefit from the situation, as you can choose between X11 and bitmap streaming on an app-per-app basis and without needing to install and set up additional servers. Even streaming 3D accelerated programs might become possible, eventually.
It's a bit of a joke, but I think it's real too. Most vegans I met are low income (bouts of seasonal work and unemployment, informal or shared dwelling) so it's not trivially easy to maintain a good balance at all times. Non vegans get away easily (I eat animal flesh about weekly) I still got to see awesome colored dishes. I tell myself I'm too uneducated to buy a nice set of vegetables and too lazy to cut them to pieces.
fun yes but the support for the actual music is a bit sad, if you had a heteregeneous collection. A friend insisted on XMMS, so I installed it on squeeze, semi-manually, it was a throwback to not being able to play.wma,.mpc or even.flac. Damn you if you dare having accented characters, spaces, russian letters or any "illegal characters" in filenames or ID3. Maybe you can add plug-ins after hunting and building them. The issues allowed us to let it go without too much grief.
GNOME itself is irrelevant, but it can damage other DEs and apps because they're in charge of GTK3, and they can cause more work to Cinnamon devs (more stuff to fork) if they fuck with the backends. Unity uses Gnome3 stuff too, did they fork some stuff I don't know (I never ran Unity barring once on Ubuntu 11.04, and it's not like I can try it in a VM because of the 3D). If they still use straight Nautilus, further feature removals in Nautilus can damage Unity.
So I read the stories about GNOME like this one, because they maintain lots of stuff they're responsible for breaking or not breaking, and I like reading a few GNOME-related flamewars.
lol, if you want to suspend on gnome3 on a desktop, you need to buy or make yourself a "virtual lid" you connect on USB and close, I guess.
Is it mandatory sleep on closed lid? Or was that a macintosh thing. I think I once read about it. Of course suspend on closing the lid can be completely undesireable (what about the downloads, file shares, music, movie playback..)
And what happens if you don't have 3D? (remote use, VM, ill-supported hardware). Well on Atom dual-core you can have llvmpipe, so I guess you will have 100% CPU spikes to draw 2D windows in OpenGL. Well done.
I have similar software, but a much better computer with an old 7600GT, it says "you should see a spinning cube" but I see a flashing garbled thing. Maybe that's because I'm now running the free driver (nouveau) instead of the nvidia one. I remember running the WebGL demo with fishes in a bowl and a couple others.
I didn't know WebGL would be picky with drivers. It does work btw, that must be because javascript is offloading work to the WebGL API, which then uses the drivers and graphics card so relatively smooth stuff can be shown when it works. If for some reason you critically need WebGL, you'll have to use llvmpipe as the OpenGL implementation, it's slow as fuck but might work (the good thing is it's reliably slow)
Real vegans have health problems anyway, including being very irritable. I think I'm pescatarian, plus poultry. And cheese. And well, I very rarely get fish as I'm under the impression it's overfished.
Performance differences negligible? The most advanced thing I've run in javascript was Wolf3D. I remember javascript doom was not playable (it's not available anymore, because of unauthorized use of the game assets). Java has smooth Minecraft and whatever stuff, for example Text Express from Zylom which is a little game that runs very smooth ; you can barely run a Tetris in javascript and it will look like a Windows 3.1 freeware, use shit ton of CPU, make the whole web browser slow.
No, it's called Google Earth (or before that, Nasa Worldwind). I had it run on a netbook with software OpenGL. It's available on cell phones too.
As for your PPC, that sucks, but if it's powerful (like a dual core G5) and if you run an increasingly recent linux distro (debian, ubuntu?) maybe you can have some improvement over time. Like being able to view more youtube videos, rendered as H264 or WebM over HTML5.
I rember reading about a SGI tech demo that did a Google Earth like thing, on high end SGI hardware with a shit ton of storage. High zoom levels were probably limited to a couple points of interest. See, it's fast Internet and big storage that enable this application, foremost. The rendering can be done with 90s tech. Earth data is many terabytes.
This looks like someone thought it was a nicer variant of : IF ERRORLEVEL == 9 goto line9: IF ERRORLEVEL == 8 goto line8: ... IF ERRORLEVEL == 2 goto line2:
Dunno what you mean by "emulated 32bit", Intel had 64bit itanium with emulated or hardware assisted emulation of x86 32bit. It was crap and sold on computers that cost the same as a house or a car. Then they had 64bit Pentium 4 (and Xeon Pentium 4), not very great but a full 64bit x86 CPU.
"Radeon X1250" was also a chipset based around Radeon 9600/9700 tech, and its users were shafted with dropped driver support. Current "Radeon 8660D" is kind of a cut-down Radeon 6970. So you have Radeon 7000 series (barring some OEM and laptop models) with a more recent and advanced architecture than Radeon 8000 series:D
As AMD now wants to boast about their GCN and HSA, they thus needed to introduce R5, R7, R9 as a naming clean up.
I had trouble managing the screen saver / screen blanking, when I had two "Screen Saver" entries plus the power management options. One of the "Screen Saver" tool would say some stuff like "the daemon appears to not be running, do you want.. yes/no/cancel". I would configure "idleness" setting somewhere, screen saver timing somewhere else and it'd be a race between which stuff triggers first (I needed between one or two hour time out to watch full screen flash video). I would come back home and find out the monitor had not switched to stand by, wasting kilowatt-hours adding up to real money (I was running a massive CRT)
tl;dr, this was confusing stuff there, especially when running a Mate desktop with some Gnome 3 stuff (like running Nemo, the nautilus fork, or having gnome-terminal as the default terminal emulator). Xfce seems cleaner in only launching Xfce stuff and not being messed up by other DEs. Still some crap : in start menu/Settings, I have two "Bluetooth" entries. It's okay as I don't have a bluetooth adpater, but same spelling, same icon.. If I come to need it I'll have to work out which is the "right" one.
Alright, maybe it will be picked up more explicitly by future distros. I've read it's originnally "mate display manager", and a fork of gdm 2.20. From googling some people have it on debian sid, Arch AUR, or ubuntu with ppa. It's conflicts with gdm (lol! that's almost a feature)
Does mdm work? (It presume it stands for "mint display manager"). From the description, it says it support XDMCP. It's like everything went rogue or DE-specific, so Mint wrote a replacement that can do everything. The current version has crazy eye candy too : http://segfault.linuxmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mdm.png Using HTML, which sounds crazy at first but the thing just shows up and it must mean anyone can give it any look.
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Missing are free 3D drivers, too. In fact, on a dual core Atom with PowerVR GPU and ubuntu 13.04, basic xv video output wasn't working properly so you barely have a 2D driver.
8MB is considerably bigger than the BIOS chip on my 3GHz dual core PC, maybe 32x bigger (I don't know exactly what chip it is. I think the BIOS image is well under 100KB anyway).
To me the CPU is meant to be used in embedded systems, where you don't necessarily need ethernet or USB or something else.
What's announced here is a low cost general purpose and development board.
The integrated 512K of special RAM means it can maybe be used without external memory chips. It's like having a PC that can boot DOS without memory DIMMs.
Which is more likely, your unsubstantiated shit or the website / IT system not able to create like a quarter million user accounts in one hour? I assume there's that kind of burst load or even worse - what do the worst 10 minutes look like?
It's obviously hard to bring up a completely new service which experiences that kind of load on day 1 hour 1, just give them time to tune their system, add more servers, tune or upgrade their mainframes if they're using that. People are sweaty busy scrambling to fix the situation.
What's funny is the american sense of entitlement to have some web or gizmo shit work instantly no matter what, whether they pay for it or not, and then they'll all butthurt because of very meeble welfare (food stamps are very low) or because of a new system that helps the working class buy overpriced and weak healthcare.
And it's pretty stupid to disable all these websites. They only would have saved money if they had actually powered down the machines, which they obviously didn't do. So, it was just pointless politicking.
Showing a static html "This site is closed blah blah blah" is congruent with powering down the machines, a PC in a basement can serve that. Importantly the IT staff isn't paid and is out of work.
Nope, the current plan is to support it on 68060.
When I tried it at least, the debian iso was not compatible with unetbootin. I had to set up a PXE booting server.
Thanks, that sounds interesting, I think I've seen it mentioned it somewhere. It might do great things for FirefoxOS, and the web in general. You can see it the other way around : compiling fast code to asm.js :-)
I'm not fearing it that much, these days.
- if your app supports X11, you will still able to run it with ssh -X, whether the host it's on runs Wayland, X or nothing at all.
An app can conceivably support only X11, only Wayland or both. It's possible the vast majority of stuff you'll run is in the first or 3rd category.
- if every Wayland window is a dumb pixel buffer and the VNC-like streaming is more integrated rather than bolt-on like now, it becomes trivial to stream only the app and not a whole desktop (Microsoft has supported this too since Windows 2008).
If the end you can even benefit from the situation, as you can choose between X11 and bitmap streaming on an app-per-app basis and without needing to install and set up additional servers.
Even streaming 3D accelerated programs might become possible, eventually.
It's a bit of a joke, but I think it's real too.
Most vegans I met are low income (bouts of seasonal work and unemployment, informal or shared dwelling) so it's not trivially easy to maintain a good balance at all times. Non vegans get away easily (I eat animal flesh about weekly)
I still got to see awesome colored dishes. I tell myself I'm too uneducated to buy a nice set of vegetables and too lazy to cut them to pieces.
fun yes but the support for the actual music is a bit sad, if you had a heteregeneous collection. .wma, .mpc or even .flac. Damn you if you dare having accented characters, spaces, russian letters or any "illegal characters" in filenames or ID3. Maybe you can add plug-ins after hunting and building them. The issues allowed us to let it go without too much grief.
A friend insisted on XMMS, so I installed it on squeeze, semi-manually, it was a throwback to not being able to play
qmmp is not my stuff but I can recommend Audacious (gtk2 GUI) or Deadbeef (like Audacious gtk3, but properly working)
GNOME itself is irrelevant, but it can damage other DEs and apps because they're in charge of GTK3, and they can cause more work to Cinnamon devs (more stuff to fork) if they fuck with the backends.
Unity uses Gnome3 stuff too, did they fork some stuff I don't know (I never ran Unity barring once on Ubuntu 11.04, and it's not like I can try it in a VM because of the 3D). If they still use straight Nautilus, further feature removals in Nautilus can damage Unity.
So I read the stories about GNOME like this one, because they maintain lots of stuff they're responsible for breaking or not breaking, and I like reading a few GNOME-related flamewars.
lol, if you want to suspend on gnome3 on a desktop, you need to buy or make yourself a "virtual lid" you connect on USB and close, I guess.
Is it mandatory sleep on closed lid? Or was that a macintosh thing. I think I once read about it. Of course suspend on closing the lid can be completely undesireable (what about the downloads, file shares, music, movie playback..)
And what happens if you don't have 3D? (remote use, VM, ill-supported hardware). Well on Atom dual-core you can have llvmpipe, so I guess you will have 100% CPU spikes to draw 2D windows in OpenGL. Well done.
I have similar software, but a much better computer with an old 7600GT, it says "you should see a spinning cube" but I see a flashing garbled thing. Maybe that's because I'm now running the free driver (nouveau) instead of the nvidia one. I remember running the WebGL demo with fishes in a bowl and a couple others.
I didn't know WebGL would be picky with drivers. It does work btw, that must be because javascript is offloading work to the WebGL API, which then uses the drivers and graphics card so relatively smooth stuff can be shown when it works.
If for some reason you critically need WebGL, you'll have to use llvmpipe as the OpenGL implementation, it's slow as fuck but might work (the good thing is it's reliably slow)
Real vegans have health problems anyway, including being very irritable.
I think I'm pescatarian, plus poultry. And cheese. And well, I very rarely get fish as I'm under the impression it's overfished.
Performance differences negligible?
The most advanced thing I've run in javascript was Wolf3D. I remember javascript doom was not playable (it's not available anymore, because of unauthorized use of the game assets). Java has smooth Minecraft and whatever stuff, for example Text Express from Zylom which is a little game that runs very smooth ; you can barely run a Tetris in javascript and it will look like a Windows 3.1 freeware, use shit ton of CPU, make the whole web browser slow.
No, it's called Google Earth (or before that, Nasa Worldwind). I had it run on a netbook with software OpenGL. It's available on cell phones too.
As for your PPC, that sucks, but if it's powerful (like a dual core G5) and if you run an increasingly recent linux distro (debian, ubuntu?) maybe you can have some improvement over time. Like being able to view more youtube videos, rendered as H264 or WebM over HTML5.
I rember reading about a SGI tech demo that did a Google Earth like thing, on high end SGI hardware with a shit ton of storage. High zoom levels were probably limited to a couple points of interest. See, it's fast Internet and big storage that enable this application, foremost. The rendering can be done with 90s tech. Earth data is many terabytes.
This looks like someone thought it was a nicer variant of :
...
IF ERRORLEVEL == 9 goto line9:
IF ERRORLEVEL == 8 goto line8:
IF ERRORLEVEL == 2 goto line2:
line1:
...
do stuff
goto line9:
line2:
blah blah
goto 9:
9:
Dunno what you mean by "emulated 32bit", Intel had 64bit itanium with emulated or hardware assisted emulation of x86 32bit. It was crap and sold on computers that cost the same as a house or a car. Then they had 64bit Pentium 4 (and Xeon Pentium 4), not very great but a full 64bit x86 CPU.
"Radeon X1250" was also a chipset based around Radeon 9600/9700 tech, and its users were shafted with dropped driver support. :D
Current "Radeon 8660D" is kind of a cut-down Radeon 6970. So you have Radeon 7000 series (barring some OEM and laptop models) with a more recent and advanced architecture than Radeon 8000 series
As AMD now wants to boast about their GCN and HSA, they thus needed to introduce R5, R7, R9 as a naming clean up.
I had trouble managing the screen saver / screen blanking, when I had two "Screen Saver" entries plus the power management options. One of the "Screen Saver" tool would say some stuff like "the daemon appears to not be running, do you want.. yes/no/cancel". I would configure "idleness" setting somewhere, screen saver timing somewhere else and it'd be a race between which stuff triggers first (I needed between one or two hour time out to watch full screen flash video). I would come back home and find out the monitor had not switched to stand by, wasting kilowatt-hours adding up to real money (I was running a massive CRT)
tl;dr, this was confusing stuff there, especially when running a Mate desktop with some Gnome 3 stuff (like running Nemo, the nautilus fork, or having gnome-terminal as the default terminal emulator). Xfce seems cleaner in only launching Xfce stuff and not being messed up by other DEs.
Still some crap : in start menu/Settings, I have two "Bluetooth" entries. It's okay as I don't have a bluetooth adpater, but same spelling, same icon.. If I come to need it I'll have to work out which is the "right" one.
Alright, maybe it will be picked up more explicitly by future distros. I've read it's originnally "mate display manager", and a fork of gdm 2.20. From googling some people have it on debian sid, Arch AUR, or ubuntu with ppa. It's conflicts with gdm (lol! that's almost a feature)
Does mdm work? (It presume it stands for "mint display manager"). From the description, it says it support XDMCP. It's like everything went rogue or DE-specific, so Mint wrote a replacement that can do everything. The current version has crazy eye candy too :
http://segfault.linuxmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mdm.png
Using HTML, which sounds crazy at first but the thing just shows up and it must mean anyone can give it any look.