> Ruby's a bloated joke. I don't want an object interface to literals
I should feed troll posts such as above, but I can't resist. The entire gzipped ruby source code is 998k. That's small enough to fit on a floppy. Now how is that bloated?
I've programmed in Perl for 4 years and Ruby for 1 year. Ruby has become the _only_ language I need to get the job done at work(writing data aquisition and analysis software at an environmental lab).
Ruby's standard library is analogous to Perl's, and it's one-tenth the size. It's object system is extremely robust and mature. The fact that everything is a first-class object makes ruby great. It's consistent, and you're sitting here complaining about the fact that it does something right that almost all other Object Oriented languages do wrong! If you don't want to treat a literal like an object then don't, but don't confuse "well designed" with bloated.
I work in a medium sized company where the majority of our users write their data to a network share provided by a samba server. It's a simple solution where there is one public directory, which is mapped as a consisitent drive letter under windows from machine to machine. I do a nightly backup of the public drive via cron in case anybody gets stupid and deletes the entire directory. None of the data being written there is that important, so security isn't really an issue. It just provides a convienent place for people to save files that can be accessed from any workstation in the lab.
A few computers in the lab do have critical data on them. For those, I make their important directories available via windows file sharing, and mount them on our linux backup server using smbmount. Those directories are rsynced to continually backed up master directories nightly, and then the entire backup server is backed up to tape. All in all, it's a pretty simple solution, but it works fine for our intents and purposes, and it's saved my ass more than once!
Every time I hear about this type of thing, the exact same question springs into my mind. How is user accountability enforced in this type of "wide open" network enviroment. Normally, people can be back-tracked to their ISP, and a name can be connected to an IP for a given time frame. What's to stop someone from using these public networks as a means to perform malicious behaviour anonymously? In a setup like I'm picturing, there wouldn't even be a need to spoof your IP address.
I just grokked this off of the gnome mailing list here.
> Btw: Why there has not been any updates for sawfish lately?
Rumor has it that John was employed by Apple and that as part of the employment contract he's no longer allowed to develop sawfish.
So there you have it! Before you start flaming back and forth about what's better, think about the logistics behind using a WM that's no longer being maintained.
Gentoo Linux is an excellent distro that is very similar to Sorceror in the fact that you compile everything from scratch. It uses a Free-BSD style ports system, and it has a command-line driven package tool that's similar to debian's apt-get. The portage tree is huge and contains thousands of apps. One major advantage over Sorceror is that Gentoo has a very active development community, and it isn't in any danger of dissappearing anytime soon. If you want a distro where everything is compiled explicitly for your hardware for blistering fast speed, you should check out Gentoo. It's my favorite distro, and I've tried virtually all of them.
I just wanted to mention that Gentoo is the coolest distribution that I've ever tried. It has quite a time consuming install process because everything is compiled from scratch; however, that's the power behind the distro. _EVERYTHING_ is compiled specifically for your hardware, and you specify global compiler optimisations that you want applied to each and every package. The package manager, portage, is based on the FreeBSD port system, but it's rewritten in Python with many added features (i.e., better handling of dependencies, fine-grained package management, "fake" (OpenBSD-style) installs, safe unmerging, system profiles, virtual packages, config file management, etc...). It has the ease of Debian's apt mixed with the better performance of custom compiled binaries, and let me tell you, it flies! It includes custom patched kernels with the preemptive, scheduler, XFS, and many other features already patched in! Running Gentoo and Win2k Pro dual boot on my machine, I can tell you that Gentoo (w/ KDE2) is noticably faster and more responsive, and I never thought I'd say that about X under Linux, but it's true! If you haven't done so, try Gentoo today!
This is not a troll. It's simply a question of why so many slashdot headline descriptions start off sensibly and subject-oriented but end with some completely off-topic, blatently offensive and generally incorrect remark?
Taco and Michael do it the most, but I've seen other posters doing it is well, and I can't help but think that it's probably intentional to some degree just to stimulate conversation in the comments section. A prime example on this post would be, math majors and EE's - something to liven up your drab dull existence today. If I was a math major or EE, that would piss me off. Period.
Come on guys, if you want a website with less than a 20/80 percent signal to noise ratio respectively then climb out of your little sandbox and start acting like professional adults. P.S., if this gets moderated as troll or flamebait, then you're completely brain-dead and didn't read it... so go ahead and mod down appropriately(I know you will).
I'm not sure if this just changed with the latest release or not, but --enable-optimize no longer accepts an argument of the compiler optimizations as described in the parent to this comment. The./configure will croak if you put the ac_add_options --enable-optimize in your.mozconfig. The proper way to set this option is to export the MOZ_OPTIMIZE_FLAGS variable before you run configure, setting it to whatever flags you want passed to the compiler during the build. You also need to include the ac_add_options --enable-optimize line in your.mozconfig with NO arguments, or it will ignore any flags that have been specified in the MOZ_OPTIMIZE_FLAGS variable. Also, seeing as how many of us are using the most modern x86 processors, it would be advisable to set -march and -mcpu to i686 rather than pentiumpro. I'm in the process of rebuilding the lizard now, and I'm quite curious as to what kind of empirical performance increases I'm going to see.
I've tried festival on Linux, and it's output is always really fuzzy and hard to understand. Do any of you know of any alternative programs that are more discernable in their delivery of voice? I would love to have my Linux box talk to me like one of those sexy Imac operators...
I guess he forgot to put his C program to stress test the kernel inside of a block. Anyway, the #include line is missing a header file to include. It's supposed to read:
#include
Hope this helps.
The following bands fall DIRECTLY into the stereotypical emo category(and what a dumb word emo is to say the least):
Alkaline Trio, The Get Up Kids, and Hot Water Music
I have a very special place in my heart for HWM seeing as how we live in the same town, and I've hung out with them on numerous occassions...
As far as indie rock is concerned, I don't see any Sebadoh or Archers Of Loaf on his list, so I'll assume that he's talking about modern indie-rock(which is quite a bit different from early 90's indie rock).
The Pixies are pretty undefinable, so I guess that would leave The Ataris for their sheer DIY work ethic... I haven't heard Coldplay or Fairview, so I couldn't say about them... Anyway, I wouldn't listen to any of those emo bands at the top(way too poppy) except for HWM's earlier work (Forever and Counting, Fuel For The Hate Game, Finding the rhythms, Neverender, and Push For Coin). They kinda pooped out after that. If you're looking for resources on great emo music, I would highly suggest this website. http://www.fourfa.com/. It breaks it down by generation and accurately describes the various sounds coming out of different regions of America.
Oh yeah... Don't forget to check out my band;-)
http://drink.to/adl
Flash has been available for linux for a LONG time. It's been working under mozilla for many releases. Just go to a website that requires flash, and when the dialog box pops up to prompt you to get the plugin, press continue(or whatever). It's all very straighforward.
I've recently noticed the addition kernel debugging under the kernel hacking section. Is this adding support for the long debated kernel debugger, or is it just a new name for the Magic SysRq key?
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Nice try at a troll. You got in way too late in the game though. REMEMBER, you have to post early! If you don't get in early, the slashbots will ignore you because nobody reads more than the first 20 comments anyway. The fabricated details of massive software development and meeting Linus personally are nice touches. I would like to see more of your work. Your introduction is rational enough that some piss-brained moderator will throw points your way just because they're too lazy to read your whole comment; however, you should be less subtle as you get further along. Plus, BSD zealots aren't quite as tempermental as Linux zealots, so maybe you should swing your argument the other way next time. Be more maniacal... It makes it more fun. For a reference, check out some of my recent work here.
Per your advice, I've just reniced it to -20, and it does seem to be a bit more responsive. I've always hated how sluggish X is, as it's a sad state of affairs to have a state of the art kernel with a station wagon of a windowing system sitting on top of it. My usual benchmark is to just open mozilla, activate the side-bar and drag it left and right. You just gotta love that refresh... NOT!
I find it ironic that there is so much debate over the speed of various window managers and desktop environments when they're all at the mercy of X. Some of you may take this as a flame, but I'm going to say it anyway. The raw performance of the XFree86 architecture is grossly inferior to any other modern architecture out there. Granted, I love Linux, and it's my favorite operating system; however, if you compare the responsiveness of X to say BeOS, Mac, or Windows, it's marginally slower. I've used X on many different computers including a dual PIII-450 with a 32 Meg video card, and regardless, refresh rates are slugish on anything that requires a redraw. I know that we're tied to X due to the fact that just about every graphical toolkit that runs under linux is tied to its deprecated API, but if it wasn't for the thousands of features that X provides that one application or another depends on, we could probably produce a drop-in replacement that utilizes modern concepts and provides a sleek, elegant, trimmed down, and easy to program in native API. We all know that will never happen, but that's also why we'll never have a standardized look and feel throughout applications. I'm all for diversity, but if we're going to tout linux as the next big thing and try to take it to the next level(The Desktop), we'll never make it given our current state of affairs. At the moment, XFree86 is the cement shoes that will drag linux on the desktop to the bottom of the ocean.
I bought Diablo 2 when it came out and played it happily for many weeks. Then one fateful day my roomate emerged through the front door media play bag in hand. "Ooh Ooh what's in the bag?!", I cried. "Everquest". After watching him wade trod around the MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER 3d universe for a couple hours, I was on my way to Media Play to get my copy. Life has never been the same since then. I lost my girlfriend. I lost my job. Hehe, not really, but I have logged well over 100 hours developing my character, and I've found it much more stimulating than Diablo 2 ever was. Instead of playing with 8 people at a time, you play with 1500. Not to mention that there are countless spells, monsters, zones, etc. I guess it's all just personal preference, but I've never once had any desire to play Diablo 2 since.
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> Ruby's a bloated joke. I don't want an object interface to literals
I should feed troll posts such as above, but I can't resist. The entire gzipped ruby source code is 998k. That's small enough to fit on a floppy. Now how is that bloated?
I've programmed in Perl for 4 years and Ruby for 1 year. Ruby has become the _only_ language I need to get the job done at work(writing data aquisition and analysis software at an environmental lab).
Ruby's standard library is analogous to Perl's, and it's one-tenth the size. It's object system is extremely robust and mature. The fact that everything is a first-class object makes ruby great. It's consistent, and you're sitting here complaining about the fact that it does something right that almost all other Object Oriented languages do wrong! If you don't want to treat a literal like an object then don't, but don't confuse "well designed" with bloated.
Why should I need crypto when I have palladium to ensure the security of my PC anyway?
I work in a medium sized company where the majority of our users write their data to a network share provided by a samba server. It's a simple solution where there is one public directory, which is mapped as a consisitent drive letter under windows from machine to machine. I do a nightly backup of the public drive via cron in case anybody gets stupid and deletes the entire directory. None of the data being written there is that important, so security isn't really an issue. It just provides a convienent place for people to save files that can be accessed from any workstation in the lab.
A few computers in the lab do have critical data on them. For those, I make their important directories available via windows file sharing, and mount them on our linux backup server using smbmount. Those directories are rsynced to continually backed up master directories nightly, and then the entire backup server is backed up to tape. All in all, it's a pretty simple solution, but it works fine for our intents and purposes, and it's saved my ass more than once!
Better pen up the cattle boys, I can see a slashdot brewin' up on the horizon.
I suddenly find myself wondering if this is the first barn slashdot has ever taken down...
Every time I hear about this type of thing, the exact same question springs into my mind. How is user accountability enforced in this type of "wide open" network enviroment. Normally, people can be back-tracked to their ISP, and a name can be connected to an IP for a given time frame. What's to stop someone from using these public networks as a means to perform malicious behaviour anonymously? In a setup like I'm picturing, there wouldn't even be a need to spoof your IP address.
LOL - a troll can often be identified by the hallmark "Fortune 500 company" line... I should know, I used to use it myself.
I hope that there's a way to scale down those icons. Personally, I can't stand having a desktop that looks like it was drawn with crayola crayons.
I just grokked this off of the gnome mailing list here.
> Btw: Why there has not been any updates for sawfish lately?
Rumor has it that John was employed by Apple and that as part of the employment contract he's no longer allowed to develop sawfish.
So there you have it! Before you start flaming back and forth about what's better, think about the logistics behind using a WM that's no longer being maintained.
Gentoo Linux is an excellent distro that is very similar to Sorceror in the fact that you compile everything from scratch. It uses a Free-BSD style ports system, and it has a command-line driven package tool that's similar to debian's apt-get. The portage tree is huge and contains thousands of apps. One major advantage over Sorceror is that Gentoo has a very active development community, and it isn't in any danger of dissappearing anytime soon. If you want a distro where everything is compiled explicitly for your hardware for blistering fast speed, you should check out Gentoo. It's my favorite distro, and I've tried virtually all of them.
I just wanted to mention that Gentoo is the coolest distribution that I've ever tried. It has quite a time consuming install process because everything is compiled from scratch; however, that's the power behind the distro. _EVERYTHING_ is compiled specifically for your hardware, and you specify global compiler optimisations that you want applied to each and every package. The package manager, portage, is based on the FreeBSD port system, but it's rewritten in Python with many added features (i.e., better handling of dependencies, fine-grained package management, "fake" (OpenBSD-style) installs, safe unmerging, system profiles, virtual packages, config file management, etc...). It has the ease of Debian's apt mixed with the better performance of custom compiled binaries, and let me tell you, it flies! It includes custom patched kernels with the preemptive, scheduler, XFS, and many other features already patched in! Running Gentoo and Win2k Pro dual boot on my machine, I can tell you that Gentoo (w/ KDE2) is noticably faster and more responsive, and I never thought I'd say that about X under Linux, but it's true! If you haven't done so, try Gentoo today!
This is not a troll. It's simply a question of why so many slashdot headline descriptions start off sensibly and subject-oriented but end with some completely off-topic, blatently offensive and generally incorrect remark?
Taco and Michael do it the most, but I've seen other posters doing it is well, and I can't help but think that it's probably intentional to some degree just to stimulate conversation in the comments section. A prime example on this post would be, math majors and EE's - something to liven up your drab dull existence today. If I was a math major or EE, that would piss me off. Period.
Come on guys, if you want a website with less than a 20/80 percent signal to noise ratio respectively then climb out of your little sandbox and start acting like professional adults. P.S., if this gets moderated as troll or flamebait, then you're completely brain-dead and didn't read it... so go ahead and mod down appropriately(I know you will).
not quite... that would only read the first line of FILE. don't forget about the record separator variable, $/. correct code is as follows.
$/++;
open(FILE, "$ARGV[0]") || die("No input: $!");
$code = <FILE>;
eval $code;
close(FILE);
not trying to be a know-it-all... but it's important for such interpreters to work correctly.
I'm not sure if this just changed with the latest release or not, but --enable-optimize no longer accepts an argument of the compiler optimizations as described in the parent to this comment. The ./configure will croak if you put the ac_add_options --enable-optimize in your .mozconfig. The proper way to set this option is to export the MOZ_OPTIMIZE_FLAGS variable before you run configure, setting it to whatever flags you want passed to the compiler during the build. You also need to include the ac_add_options --enable-optimize line in your .mozconfig with NO arguments, or it will ignore any flags that have been specified in the MOZ_OPTIMIZE_FLAGS variable. Also, seeing as how many of us are using the most modern x86 processors, it would be advisable to set -march and -mcpu to i686 rather than pentiumpro. I'm in the process of rebuilding the lizard now, and I'm quite curious as to what kind of empirical performance increases I'm going to see.
I've tried festival on Linux, and it's output is always really fuzzy and hard to understand. Do any of you know of any alternative programs that are more discernable in their delivery of voice? I would love to have my Linux box talk to me like one of those sexy Imac operators...
I guess he forgot to put his C program to stress test the kernel inside of a
block. Anyway, the #include line is missing a header file to include. It's supposed to read: #include Hope this helps.I think I can help you here...
;-)
The following bands fall DIRECTLY into the stereotypical emo category(and what a dumb word emo is to say the least):
Alkaline Trio, The Get Up Kids, and Hot Water Music
I have a very special place in my heart for HWM seeing as how we live in the same town, and I've hung out with them on numerous occassions...
As far as indie rock is concerned, I don't see any Sebadoh or Archers Of Loaf on his list, so I'll assume that he's talking about modern indie-rock(which is quite a bit different from early 90's indie rock).
The Pixies are pretty undefinable, so I guess that would leave The Ataris for their sheer DIY work ethic... I haven't heard Coldplay or Fairview, so I couldn't say about them... Anyway, I wouldn't listen to any of those emo bands at the top(way too poppy) except for HWM's earlier work (Forever and Counting, Fuel For The Hate Game, Finding the rhythms, Neverender, and Push For Coin). They kinda pooped out after that. If you're looking for resources on great emo music, I would highly suggest this website. http://www.fourfa.com/. It breaks it down by generation and accurately describes the various sounds coming out of different regions of America.
Oh yeah... Don't forget to check out my band
http://drink.to/adl
*Travis
Flash has been available for linux for a LONG time. It's been working under mozilla for many releases. Just go to a website that requires flash, and when the dialog box pops up to prompt you to get the plugin, press continue(or whatever). It's all very straighforward.
I've recently noticed the addition kernel debugging under the kernel hacking section. Is this adding support for the long debated kernel debugger, or is it just a new name for the Magic SysRq key?
Nice try at a troll. You got in way too late in the game though. REMEMBER, you have to post early! If you don't get in early, the slashbots will ignore you because nobody reads more than the first 20 comments anyway. The fabricated details of massive software development and meeting Linus personally are nice touches. I would like to see more of your work. Your introduction is rational enough that some piss-brained moderator will throw points your way just because they're too lazy to read your whole comment; however, you should be less subtle as you get further along. Plus, BSD zealots aren't quite as tempermental as Linux zealots, so maybe you should swing your argument the other way next time. Be more maniacal... It makes it more fun. For a reference, check out some of my recent work here.
Per your advice, I've just reniced it to -20, and it does seem to be a bit more responsive. I've always hated how sluggish X is, as it's a sad state of affairs to have a state of the art kernel with a station wagon of a windowing system sitting on top of it. My usual benchmark is to just open mozilla, activate the side-bar and drag it left and right. You just gotta love that refresh... NOT!
Why is this modded as funny?! I know I'm being a jerk, but those binary strings don't translate to anything in ascii.
my remaining options are perl, tcl or awk.... hmmm.
Too late for perl as well.
PerlOS is already well underway.
I find it ironic that there is so much debate over the speed of various window managers and desktop environments when they're all at the mercy of X. Some of you may take this as a flame, but I'm going to say it anyway. The raw performance of the XFree86 architecture is grossly inferior to any other modern architecture out there. Granted, I love Linux, and it's my favorite operating system; however, if you compare the responsiveness of X to say BeOS, Mac, or Windows, it's marginally slower. I've used X on many different computers including a dual PIII-450 with a 32 Meg video card, and regardless, refresh rates are slugish on anything that requires a redraw. I know that we're tied to X due to the fact that just about every graphical toolkit that runs under linux is tied to its deprecated API, but if it wasn't for the thousands of features that X provides that one application or another depends on, we could probably produce a drop-in replacement that utilizes modern concepts and provides a sleek, elegant, trimmed down, and easy to program in native API. We all know that will never happen, but that's also why we'll never have a standardized look and feel throughout applications. I'm all for diversity, but if we're going to tout linux as the next big thing and try to take it to the next level(The Desktop), we'll never make it given our current state of affairs. At the moment, XFree86 is the cement shoes that will drag linux on the desktop to the bottom of the ocean.
Can you provide a link to that debate?
I bought Diablo 2 when it came out and played it happily for many weeks. Then one fateful day my roomate emerged through the front door media play bag in hand. "Ooh Ooh what's in the bag?!", I cried. "Everquest". After watching him wade trod around the MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER 3d universe for a couple hours, I was on my way to Media Play to get my copy. Life has never been the same since then. I lost my girlfriend. I lost my job. Hehe, not really, but I have logged well over 100 hours developing my character, and I've found it much more stimulating than Diablo 2 ever was. Instead of playing with 8 people at a time, you play with 1500. Not to mention that there are countless spells, monsters, zones, etc. I guess it's all just personal preference, but I've never once had any desire to play Diablo 2 since.