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UK to get Public Wireless LAN
shanksd1 writes "The IEE Review for May reports that BT is announcing the UK's first public access wireless LAN, with a little help from Motorola and Cisco. 400 wireless hotspots of range 100m should be implemented by June 2003, and 4000 by June 2005. These 500 kb/s access points will be located in hotels, railway stations, airports, bars and
coffee shops."
Will the EMP from the coming nuclear war in central Asia adversly effect my reception on the public wireless LAN here in the UK?
Hey India : "Turn on main screen!"
Given BT's appalling record on broadband so far, I find it hard to get excited about this.
Will you be able to access the network of cameras that are all over the place over there? That would make for an interesting service....
Twinkies sure taste good for something that is 68% air.
Gee, between the DMCA, CBDTPA, the Content Protection Status Report, a Congress that's bought and paid for (not by us the people), and the *AA's, perhaps it's time to move to Europe..
Maybe its just a lack of caffeine, but I can't find anything regarding a wireless network on those two linked pages....
When will we wake up and adopt this in the USA? This is an awesome idea.
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Does anyone trust a telecom company that puts spaces in their directory names, thus causing problems with some web browers? Not to mention, it's just bad style. Damn kids. Don't know how to do anything anym...grumble grumble..
http://www.btplc.com/innovation and technology/
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I couldn't find anything on the links provided above. Google found me this:
BBC
Ah, when Stellarium gets the ability to track satellites, THEN i'll be more than happy to go wireless with my net connection.
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I may be missing something here but I can't find the IEE article in question. One link goes to the IEE's main page, the other to BT. I've looked around the IEE site and even used their site search facility but found nothing!
What strange madness is this?
Hijacking someone's 802.11 connex and ordering some smack--maybe even charge it to their [insert charming British expression for "Credit Card" here].
"What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
100 meters doesn't seem like much to get excited about..
Until the internet radically changes? Eventually all of Europe and the United states will be wireless networks, and perhaps backbones wont seem as important? It makes me wonder if P2P will be come a necessity in other ways. Hang on tight guys, but it will be a while before a major wireless push hits the US.
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screw this, i'm moving to brittan (sp, yea yea i know, i'm stupid)!
whoa! my underwear!
unless you're a Buddhist.
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The 2nd form is correct while the first is not.
You will only be able to use the MickeySoft network with Disney approved laptops and pdas. You will of course have to get another passport because your entering a strange new world aboard the good ship enterprise owned by the Borg in Redmond. Bill Gates now owns the Queens ass. Elections anyone in the UK. Tony Blair is the Queens puppet just watch Prime Ministers Questions Time but the British people are the greatest. The question must be put forth as to the Monarchy why in hell do we have a Queen who is hell bent on selling us out to Bill Gates.
cambridge thought it would be a good idea to give people public bikes
....
;-)
they got stolen by a few people and then they didnt try it again
it'll be the same with the wireless points some people will abuse it and all the rest of us wont be able to use it
who cares really
I want my 384Kbs to my mobile phone NOW......
then I dont have to share my bandwidth if I dont want to
regards
john jones
p.s. it also means that I can stream my MP3's from home (as well as Mpeg
We call credit cards "flexible friends" in Britain, as they are made with plastic and help us out when we need dosh.
HTH HAND
Get away from me, you're stealing my bandwidth!
That's in Amsterdam. It would be a good thing tho...
In Stockholm if you have a laptop with a wlan card you can sniff for open access points from wlans used by companys.
Quite a lot of them don't use encryption or locked down MAC addresses so you can leech bandwidth from about half a dussin open networks while sipping coffee at a nice cosy coffee shop.
I imagine this must be ten times worse in big cities like NY.
I don't know anybody who calls them that... "Flexible Friend" was the term used in advertisments for 'Access' cards (before they decided they'd call themselves Mastercard like the rest of the world).
... we just call them bloody credit cards ;)
If you want a British term, try 'plastic' or 'the never never' in ways such as "Yeah, I got it on plastic" or "She's paying for it on the never never"... Then again these terms aren't used much either... hmm
Every time I hear about this type of thing, the exact same question springs into my mind. How is user accountability enforced in this type of "wide open" network enviroment. Normally, people can be back-tracked to their ISP, and a name can be connected to an IP for a given time frame. What's to stop someone from using these public networks as a means to perform malicious behaviour anonymously? In a setup like I'm picturing, there wouldn't even be a need to spoof your IP address.
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When is San Diego going to get something like this?
Brussels, May 24 (Bloomberg) -- Jon Filipek, a partner at the Brussels office of Weil Gotshal & Manges LLP who specializes in data-protection matters, comments on the European Commission's probe into Microsoft Corp. on charges that its system to collect personal information breaks privacy rules. The 15-nation European Union's executive arm said it has ``concerns'' about the legality of Microsoft's Passport account, which stores identification so Internet users don't have to re- enter it for different programs and Web sites. ``The jurisdictional issue is very interesting. Do these activities fall under the directive when European Web-users themselves input their data onto a U.S.-based server? ``The commission's advisers have taken a hard-line position on this in the past. They have said effectively that even a small dot-com without any European operations can fall under the directive if, for example, they transmit a cookie to the computer of a European Web-user.'' On possible sanctions against Microsoft: ``It will be mainly up to the national governments to enforce the rules. They have the authority to impose fines, confiscate databases and block transmissions of data, for example.''
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By winning the patent case that they own hyperlinks! These guys aren't nice. If every website in the world has to pay them, then they'll be able to put up wireless networks everywhere! Which would you rather have?
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The security issues involved with wireless networking are well published and well exploited. The proliferation of wireless networking will make these exploits more prevalent and more well publicized, which will ultimately decrease demand for these services in general and make it harder to push new services in the future. This service also provides a means for additional non-wireless exploits to transpire in a more anonymous fashion. Additionally ubiquitous access will cannibalize some of their other services, like data over cellular. Doesn't make sense. There seems to be a direct correlation between wires and profit. I think the nation of Christmas Island has the best "ubiquitious connectivity model."
...well, there is a 2 pound charge for every hyperlink clicked while accessing the LAN...
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
For a moment I thought RMS got an elementary particle named after him, Stallmanium.
all the wireless traffic must be sent without encryption because terrorists could use the network
The RA (equiv to FCC over here) has not actually licensed any commercial use of the 802.11 band here yet and it may be BT trying to force a decision from them.
As yet what they propose is illegal in the UK.
Consume the net anyone?
BT announced their intentions a while ago about getting into this space...The fact still remains that it is illegal in the UK sell 802.11b bandwidth at the moment (AFAIK). They are banking on the fact that the government will change the laws regarding this (It does seem fairly likely).
Once the laws have changed expect a lot more public for-profit WLAN's to emerge.
I can't wait until someone actually puts them in though. Broadband in public spaces is sorely missing. If BT were smart they would build a 802.11b/Bluetooth AP into every phone box in the country. You can already SMS/Phone/Internet access at all the new ones anyway, adding wireless would be a small cost increment.
/b
PS: It is legal to use WLAN in business in the UK but not to provide a commercial service from it. So having a WLAN connection in your cafe and chargin for it is not OK, having a WLAN in the office for staff to use is OK.
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sure, they are allowed to use WEP all they want. WEP is about as private as a glass house.
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I suspect that this is purely a ploy by BT. Look, regulator, so we haven't rolled out broadband. But it's obsolete anyway: we're going wireless. Real soon. You wouldn't want us to raise the rentals to pay for a technology no-one will want, would you?
Should give them another few years of failing to make progress.
Back in 1990, I was talking to some guys from BT labs. The future was going to be video phones. They were just 6 months from commercialising the technology.
All the above, of course, is just my personal opinion.
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when installing all those cameras to spy on their citizens.
This is not a new idea - it was suggested years ago in an article in Wired.
Actually nobody in the UK (apart from the criminals) does anything but enthusiastically support the CCTV systems, particularly when a child goes missing.
As a district councillor I have been invited several times to visit our council's control room, but haven't bothered to find time yet because, whilst it would be an interesting visit, it's not a bit deal as I have precisely 0 constituents worried about CCTV who need to be reassured. (I think that in fact anyone who asks to visit the control room will get a tour. So in fact I think we already have public access to the CCTV pictures.)
The only complaints we get are that CCTV sometimes fails to catch criminals; and that there aren't enough CCTV cameras, which is a complaint we get every time there is a crime not covered by the camera system.
[Of course, in a country where everyone is entitled to own guns and they have more shootings than we have burglaries they might simply be used to being victims of crime as a way of life, and "privacy" nutters might, with the backing of the NRA, make more noise than they do here?]
I regularly get asked what a "gumbie" is by my American friends. Remember the parent article next time an Englishman says to you "I appear to have locked myself out of my hotel room. Do you happen to have a gumby on your person I may use?"
We already have public access wireless in the UK - look at this for instance.
And this is running at a faster rate!
Blair is Campbells b1tch, not the Queens, just watch Paxman.
Go to the BBC website and look at their jam cams, these are police cctv cameras.
see here!
Then there are all the initiatives to setup free access WLANs:
http://www.bawia.org/wirelessnets.html
You'd save money on lots of other expenses we normally incur here:
* Steaks, Hamburgers, other beef products
* Football/Baseball/Hockey Tickets
* Dental care
* DirectTV subscription
* Ammo
* Starbucks
Hmm, it looks like I might save hundreds a month!
Wouldn't that be more like a MAN (Metropolitan) or WAN (Wide Area Network)? Didn't read the article, so I don't know if it's for a city or the whole UK, but it seems like it's definitely NOT a LAN.
tmegapscm
serious restrictions on where the police can put them
The police don't put them anywhere.
Not here, in Cambridge, anyway - it's run by the local council under democratic control, which means me and 41 other councillors. I can assure you that we get endless requests for extensions to the system and have not had a single complaint except where the system has failed to catch a criminal.
Sure, the council-employed operators cooperate with the police, but the police don't get to see anything that the council employees don't think they're entitled to according to the rules. For example, there needs to be a reasonable certainty that there is something serious in progress right now before the privacy screening can be turned off.
Yeah, with "comedies" like Friends coming over, I don't know why we even bother!!
Seriously, just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it's not funny!
BT are simply trying to squash the free-Wireless networks springing up all across the UK. High-speed, free internet without going through the local loop? As if BT would ignore it.
You'll probably see them moving to make public wireless illegal soon, or at least to difficult to do properly.
Now is the most important time to setup a wireless network in your local community! Or join an existing one!
It's called LEAP - look into it.
An Australian ISP (Alphalink) was just awarded a Carrier Licence to undertake a similar programme in Australia - although they are only going to be deploying in two site with more to come depeneding on interest.
I hope telstra doesn;'t follow - if their performance in ADSL is anything to go by, their 802.11x performance will be flapping every 10 minutes!
Subject says it all :)