Bwhahaha! Its damn true - I am a zip car wh0re! they even put one down stairs from where I live:)
Re:Take the "5 days with Firefox" challenge
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Had every site needed to be developed to the strictest standard, there would have been no web as we know it. no geocities sites with tons of information about lubricated guitar stands and no family run sites dedicated to pygmy possum care... useability is now, and has been for a while a strong focus. this makes sense for a public space. and M$ saw that years ago, and decided to allow thier browsers to compensate for non compliant code.
a few years ago, it was common for a site to need to work well with browsers that have cookies turned off. nowdays, the climate is such that we (developers) recognize that users are making a choice, and business owners have the choice wether or not to invest in the (dwindling) 1% of web users not supporting cookies.
agreed. a great deal of quality of service, customer service and promotional funds are usually piped out of a marketing / retention budget. that budget will be the first to go - with the quality rapidly declining after.
"The solution is to provide motivation to write for someone else."
We call that motivation "a fat salary and promise of a bonus". Your average geek is up all night after working thier shift at seven 11 working on thier project. why not hire them as full timers... let them work thier 40 - 55 hour week and pay them. wait. nevermind... then they will have to work under a project manager or something.
One possibility would be an annual award program which could include - for example - a "best documentation" category. The combination of a cash prize (it needn't be large) plus the bragging rights for having won could provide the necessary nudge to improving open-source code.
People work hard for a given reward. Not the promise of "maybe attaining" an award. Cmon... Darpa couldnt get anyone to come up with an automonmous (fruk spelling) that worked... and thier offer was a million dollars.
the other roadblock here is: it takes more than one person to complete a good project. Programmers arent UI experts. Nor do they magically get imbued with the command over the english language needed for WELL WRITTEN documentation. Shit. Nor do they want to / ARE CAPABLE OF TESTING at the "Im a dumbass user" level.
"What does the world get for the 10% Microsoft tax on every PC?"
K. who buys a new computer for $450?!?!! Also -- generally, you can choose to purchase a computer from one of the larger companies with no operating system installed (this is SORT OF a server option... but not really). point is: it is a convinience, and a tool which ENABLES a user to use thier computer with the interface and conventions that they have been using for years.
You could always buy a lindows pc...
$45 bucks is nothing. I get a PC with an OS installed, as well as a bunch of mediocre software. My time, which is billed out at an hourly rate is not wasted on a basic install. (Yeah. I may format it a week later anyway - but still - its a convinience.)
the replies to this post are old world and utilitarian. they heed from a time when one needs to be concerned about things like processor power, memory, etc. Its the year two fucking thousand four. Think about and embrace moores law a bit and stop whining every time an ioda of processessing power is "wasted" on the user experience.
If the general public was not interested in thier user experience, no one would be using a GUI... but we all are. Ignoring the specific intricacies of these GUIs and looking at shaps -- we all are using pretty much the same gui. Its flat. Usable to a certain extent, and relies on aging metafors that are boring and damn pedestrian. You "open" your "files" --- Ill explore concepts.
good prediction... someone has read up on longhorn. Think about this: Why SHOULDNT a desktop management system utilize a 128 mb card that is just sitting there? You can use your good ol bash shell... while your kids navigate thier "information" using mock meatspace experiences.
"files" are passe. its relations... memories and information that people want. it does not need to be flat.
"If you are aware of the limitations, and strictly stay inside of them, I suppose it would work. However, you're talking about HTML. It is a markup language. It's not that hard to prototype a site directly in it if it's static content. "
Couldnt agree with you more.... but there are a few things ignored here. The first is -- a client (usually the marketing director or other similar position) does not care about having "HTML" built. they care about having a good looking website. bells. whistles. 3D FLAMING FUCKING LOGOS, etc. All stuff you can (sort of) do in HTML -- but why would you?
Instead - you use a combination of graphics, and HTML. Not because you are lazy... but because you CANNOT produce the same results with plain ol' HTML as you can with html and images.
Anything else is purist bullshit. seriously. its great that your site uses zero graphics, takes.003 seconds to download and runs on an apache running soda bottle.... but - its damn ugly, and THAT DOESNT EXCITE PEOPLE.
its not like the checks are made out to "cash". they still get processed and get sent back to the issuers bank. At which point the transaction that Phox Blue has received $1300 is recorded.
Now - the issueing party will likely report THAT on thier returns, etc - so - now there is a missing 1300 bucks. That happens once a week for a year - almost 68k. Fat chance that will go unnoticed.
You are correct. In fact, I am not talking about web trends aggregate data - I am reffering to the statistics of a few sites that I run. One of which is a relatively large musical instrument retailer, and the other is one of NYC's largest real estate companies. So - to better hone my erroneously broad statement:
Musicians dont use Firefox
People looking to move into NYC dont use firefox
People already living in NYC and are interested in selling thier homes dont use firefox.
Does anyone else really count?!?!
truth is - sorta. A tech / geek centric site will obviously attract larger fringe groups...
"For the first time since Internet Explorer 3.0 was released, I am seeing people switching browsers in droves"
Droves you say?! is that future sight?! firefox comes up less than WEBTV in most of the webtrends reports I am seeing. I look at the statistics for a number of frequently used (100k visitors a day) sites and do not see firefox gaining users. (note - Ill happily eat my words if the statistics show a significant increase.) but still... droves?
Joe User does not give a fuck about standards... in fact - he is HAPPY to view websites that have broken table tags and still display in IE. Joe user wants to continue not thinking and have stuff given to him. for that reason alone, Internet Explorer will continue to be the most used windows browser, and until the tides turn on the desktop operating system situation, IE will stay in its comfy place.
this is such a typical, weak, anti establishment remark. Starbucks espresso is fine. Fine / good as a mater of fact. its thier DRIP that blows. (typically over roasted and burnt tasting). Now I will go and happily fork over $3.73 form my quad espresso.
Nice. The packages look like they are vacuum sealed. o2 it is. Dumbasses! Would it of been that hard to go photosensitive?!?!?!? this DVD is good for 5 - 6 plays?
Does anyone here have a clue on how this stuff works? If its really TIME based - and not usage based -- is it then an 02 sensitive material that just turns black as it oxidizes?
I am wondering if these things couldnt just be "dipped" in some sort of really clear sealant that would inhibit the oxidation process.
then again, instead of going through all if this trouble -- I could just BUY THE REAL DVD for 3x the cost and have it forever.
Mixed success rates because its being rated by companies working in different industries. for instance, Delliotte and Touche (fcuk spelling) creates cheesy access applications to be used for something like cashier audits... these are created based on the individual needs of a client. they are used for a few months... then reports are generated and they are generally not used much after that point.
with that said - who cares about REAL quality control on an app like this. if it works... well enuf for the time its used - D&T is happy. they minimized costs by outsourcing and got the job done (good enough)
Now, a *REAL* tech company may not have the same experience. partly because they have a higher bar to measure quality.
No - we are saying that removing control and the ability to interface with someone in meat space may limit the benefits that arise from real time collaboration. Not to mention obstacles like language and time conflicts.
Does this mark apples first true mass market attempt since the early 80's?! For some time now, price points have kept apple product away from "less-than-upper-middle-class". At just over 100 beans, my kid brother could buy one.
Again, reverting back to economics, and a bit of wartime logic. the bigger/better the stronghold, the larger the booty.
Think of the econimic incentive to create the "next" bigger and better thing when in fact there ARE only a handful left. Instant rockstardom for any newcomers that make a splash.
Business drives technology. If a [tech] provider cannot grasp simple business -- where is the stability & longevity of thier product?
I understand your apprehension towards "lock-in", but understand this: capitalism can be a great accelerator of product evolution. What you call "lock-in" -- some call "strategy".
Strategy can enforce a sort of stronghold on a given sector.... that stronghold can be COMPLETELY artificial (strat based), Based on good product, or on a combination of strategy based and "good enough". that stronghold ensures that product "moving in" on that given territory will need to be ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BETTER than what's currently out there.
I dont know that we have seen a quality difference like that since doze 3.1 vs ANYTHING ELSE.
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Bwhahaha! Its damn true - I am a zip car wh0re! they even put one down stairs from where I live :)
Had every site needed to be developed to the strictest standard, there would have been no web as we know it. no geocities sites with tons of information about lubricated guitar stands and no family run sites dedicated to pygmy possum care... useability is now, and has been for a while a strong focus. this makes sense for a public space. and M$ saw that years ago, and decided to allow thier browsers to compensate for non compliant code. a few years ago, it was common for a site to need to work well with browsers that have cookies turned off. nowdays, the climate is such that we (developers) recognize that users are making a choice, and business owners have the choice wether or not to invest in the (dwindling) 1% of web users not supporting cookies.
agreed. a great deal of quality of service, customer service and promotional funds are usually piped out of a marketing / retention budget. that budget will be the first to go - with the quality rapidly declining after.
"The solution is to provide motivation to write for someone else."
We call that motivation "a fat salary and promise of a bonus". Your average geek is up all night after working thier shift at seven 11 working on thier project. why not hire them as full timers... let them work thier 40 - 55 hour week and pay them. wait. nevermind... then they will have to work under a project manager or something.
One possibility would be an annual award program which could include - for example - a "best documentation" category. The combination of a cash prize (it needn't be large) plus the bragging rights for having won could provide the necessary nudge to improving open-source code.
People work hard for a given reward. Not the promise of "maybe attaining" an award. Cmon... Darpa couldnt get anyone to come up with an automonmous (fruk spelling) that worked... and thier offer was a million dollars.
the other roadblock here is: it takes more than one person to complete a good project. Programmers arent UI experts. Nor do they magically get imbued with the command over the english language needed for WELL WRITTEN documentation. Shit. Nor do they want to / ARE CAPABLE OF TESTING at the "Im a dumbass user" level.
"What does the world get for the 10% Microsoft tax on every PC?"
K. who buys a new computer for $450?!?!! Also -- generally, you can choose to purchase a computer from one of the larger companies with no operating system installed (this is SORT OF a server option... but not really). point is: it is a convinience, and a tool which ENABLES a user to use thier computer with the interface and conventions that they have been using for years.
You could always buy a lindows pc...
$45 bucks is nothing. I get a PC with an OS installed, as well as a bunch of mediocre software. My time, which is billed out at an hourly rate is not wasted on a basic install. (Yeah. I may format it a week later anyway - but still - its a convinience.)
the replies to this post are old world and utilitarian. they heed from a time when one needs to be concerned about things like processor power, memory, etc. Its the year two fucking thousand four. Think about and embrace moores law a bit and stop whining every time an ioda of processessing power is "wasted" on the user experience.
If the general public was not interested in thier user experience, no one would be using a GUI... but we all are. Ignoring the specific intricacies of these GUIs and looking at shaps -- we all are using pretty much the same gui. Its flat. Usable to a certain extent, and relies on aging metafors that are boring and damn pedestrian. You "open" your "files" --- Ill explore concepts.
good prediction... someone has read up on longhorn. Think about this: Why SHOULDNT a desktop management system utilize a 128 mb card that is just sitting there? You can use your good ol bash shell... while your kids navigate thier "information" using mock meatspace experiences.
"files" are passe. its relations... memories and information that people want. it does not need to be flat.
I see the future! said the flatlander.
"If you are aware of the limitations, and strictly stay inside of them, I suppose it would work. However, you're talking about HTML. It is a markup language. It's not that hard to prototype a site directly in it if it's static content. "
.003 seconds to download and runs on an apache running soda bottle.... but - its damn ugly, and THAT DOESNT EXCITE PEOPLE.
Couldnt agree with you more.... but there are a few things ignored here. The first is -- a client (usually the marketing director or other similar position) does not care about having "HTML" built. they care about having a good looking website. bells. whistles. 3D FLAMING FUCKING LOGOS, etc. All stuff you can (sort of) do in HTML -- but why would you?
Instead - you use a combination of graphics, and HTML. Not because you are lazy... but because you CANNOT produce the same results with plain ol' HTML as you can with html and images.
Anything else is purist bullshit. seriously. its great that your site uses zero graphics, takes
its not like the checks are made out to "cash". they still get processed and get sent back to the issuers bank. At which point the transaction that Phox Blue has received $1300 is recorded.
Now - the issueing party will likely report THAT on thier returns, etc - so - now there is a missing 1300 bucks. That happens once a week for a year - almost 68k. Fat chance that will go unnoticed.
Musicians dont use Firefox
People looking to move into NYC dont use firefox
People already living in NYC and are interested in selling thier homes dont use firefox.
Does anyone else really count?!?!
truth is - sorta. A tech / geek centric site will obviously attract larger fringe groups...
excellent point. We dont need to make the same comparison to the slashdotters's (fkuc spelling) favorite selection of operating systems - do we?
"For the first time since Internet Explorer 3.0 was released, I am seeing people switching browsers in droves"
Droves you say?! is that future sight?! firefox comes up less than WEBTV in most of the webtrends reports I am seeing. I look at the statistics for a number of frequently used (100k visitors a day) sites and do not see firefox gaining users. (note - Ill happily eat my words if the statistics show a significant increase.) but still... droves?
Joe User does not give a fuck about standards... in fact - he is HAPPY to view websites that have broken table tags and still display in IE. Joe user wants to continue not thinking and have stuff given to him. for that reason alone, Internet Explorer will continue to be the most used windows browser, and until the tides turn on the desktop operating system situation, IE will stay in its comfy place.
this is such a typical, weak, anti establishment remark. Starbucks espresso is fine. Fine / good as a mater of fact. its thier DRIP that blows. (typically over roasted and burnt tasting). Now I will go and happily fork over $3.73 form my quad espresso.
and yeah, I do like calling it a "Quad"
you all said it... I didnt really need too.
Nice. The packages look like they are vacuum sealed. o2 it is. Dumbasses! Would it of been that hard to go photosensitive?!?!?!? this DVD is good for 5 - 6 plays?
Does anyone here have a clue on how this stuff works? If its really TIME based - and not usage based -- is it then an 02 sensitive material that just turns black as it oxidizes? I am wondering if these things couldnt just be "dipped" in some sort of really clear sealant that would inhibit the oxidation process.
then again, instead of going through all if this trouble -- I could just BUY THE REAL DVD for 3x the cost and have it forever.
Mixed success rates because its being rated by companies working in different industries. for instance, Delliotte and Touche (fcuk spelling) creates cheesy access applications to be used for something like cashier audits... these are created based on the individual needs of a client. they are used for a few months... then reports are generated and they are generally not used much after that point. with that said - who cares about REAL quality control on an app like this. if it works... well enuf for the time its used - D&T is happy. they minimized costs by outsourcing and got the job done (good enough) Now, a *REAL* tech company may not have the same experience. partly because they have a higher bar to measure quality.
No - we are saying that removing control and the ability to interface with someone in meat space may limit the benefits that arise from real time collaboration. Not to mention obstacles like language and time conflicts.
overpriced?!?! what are you babbling about?
Does this mark apples first true mass market attempt since the early 80's?! For some time now, price points have kept apple product away from "less-than-upper-middle-class". At just over 100 beans, my kid brother could buy one.
Again, reverting back to economics, and a bit of wartime logic. the bigger/better the stronghold, the larger the booty.
Think of the econimic incentive to create the "next" bigger and better thing when in fact there ARE only a handful left. Instant rockstardom for any newcomers that make a splash.
Business drives technology. If a [tech] provider cannot grasp simple business -- where is the stability & longevity of thier product?
I understand your apprehension towards "lock-in", but understand this: capitalism can be a great accelerator of product evolution. What you call "lock-in" -- some call "strategy". Strategy can enforce a sort of stronghold on a given sector.... that stronghold can be COMPLETELY artificial (strat based), Based on good product, or on a combination of strategy based and "good enough". that stronghold ensures that product "moving in" on that given territory will need to be ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BETTER than what's currently out there. I dont know that we have seen a quality difference like that since doze 3.1 vs ANYTHING ELSE.
Change!? "We dont like change" said the anonymouse coward. "Damn them. it was good ENOUGH" -- cmon guy.
Yeah. I agree..
Thats a complete YAWN. Any card worth a damn should be running that in 1152 x 864 mode!
kudos on fbucks.