i think its fair to downlaod when CDs are way overpriced (they were convicted of price fixing)
1 CD 2 hours, 24-30$ CND, price remains constant.
1 video game, 10-200++++ hours of interactive fun 60-80$ new releases, 20-30 for old. Price goes down over time.
Now lets see here, what do i want to spend my money on? the RIAA is overpriceing its music and driveing people to donwload and/or spend their cash elsewhere. Also with this P2P stuff driveing poeple to hate them (look at metalica, they lost ALOT of fans due to their anti-P2P stance)
its the RIAAs own fault. Sure its not right in the eyes of the law, and sure people shouldn't do that in the sense of the law. But the RIAA is driveing people to do so. Most people will do the right thing.
And they aren't a problem, P2P isnt' a problem, its a benifit to the artists (not the riaa who ARE NOT the artists). They blame P2P when the real problem is overpriced CDs, and a bad econemy.
I'd buy a game or a DVD well before i'd buy a CD, 2 CDs 1 DVD and 2 CDs more $$. Same with games. People are getting into other forms of entertainment.
actauly its not the same. If you could do that then many people who would have paid to see the movie wouldn't and would just wait to get the empty seats. ALSO more poeple = less enjoyment for the poeple who paid. So the manager has reasons not to let you in for free aside from the fact its for free. Now if you were friends/enployee/realative chances are he'd be like "yea sure, go right on in!".
Downlaoding a song that you were never going to buy doesn't do either. It only effects you in that now you get some music to enjoy, thou in a manner that artist doesn't want. And i can in the end have a positive effect.
And when our not someone who wasn't ever going to buy a CD, you were someone who always buys CDs and you were sampleing to see if you liked it (its the only way except for the top 40 they play on the radio over and over), Or someone who sometimes buys CDs and were seeing if it was worthwhile CD to buy. I never, and i mean NEVER baught CDs r even listen to non classical music untill p2p (i had tapes!), now i own quite a few CDs, but once RIAA starting being ignorent fucks i stopped buying them (well except for 1 that was on sale for 5$ cnd), maybe if they stop being such fools i'll start buying CDs again.
Nice try with the theater one thou, its one of the best i've heard yet. The only thing you can do in real life that can comepare to p2p is recording something off the radio or a concert and passing the tapes around. That didn't hurt the RIAA one bit so i don't think P2P is going to in any way. They are like petty children that are mad about the fasct they no longer have complete and total control.
Or you can just borrow your friends CDs and rip them. P2P is only 1 way to share music, and now that everyons got a taste of free music, they will find a new way.
partition HD, 1 linux, 1 win, use lilo/grub or whatever,
so you do this: boots into linux, automated scrip will take a known good file/dir tree and rsync it over to the windows partition, unless the windows parititon was totaly wiped, it'll take a in a most. Then it boots the windows drive.
I read about this being done somewhere (i do a somewhat diffrent, floppy casues linux to boot, no auto login/script, as i don't do it every reboot)
Seince you don't care about any data saved on the dsktop and the like, a mahcine not working, been messed up, just reboot and its all good:)
Most poeple don't "copyright infringe" (its not steal)
They just use it as a way to sample stuff thats not played on the radio and see what they would like to buy.
There are some who just downlaod and never buy any CDs, but then i know someone like that and even without P2P he would never buy a CD. And hes donwload stuff and then pointed me at the band who witch me and others then baught, so even thou he didn't buy a CD, because he sampled a track, liked it, told others, the RIAA and artists made money in the end,
What i'm talking about is how a large portion of the population feel that downloading music is A-OK because in the end it DOESN'T "screw artists", IN the end they benifit greatly by haveing more people listen to their music online.
Its been poitned out before, you have 3 kinds of P2P downlaoders 1) always buy, download to sample and buy if the lsiten to it 2)downlaod to sample and buy if they like enough tracks on the CD, or like the artists, most poeple will buy a CD even if they donwlaod it, IF they like it. They never download instead of buying, they download to see if its worth buying (and yea i guess this screws over the artists who suck and depend on ads) 3) never ever buy, always download.
now the mean is #2, most poeple will buy something they like, and do not download as a replacement. and some poeple always download. Download is not a replacement for owning the real CD. And the market hasn't suffred from P2P, allthou the RIIA would have you belive so.
its really no diffrent then recording it to tapes/CDs and passing them around witch has been going on for a lot longer. It doesn impact sales anymore then that did.
What the RIAA doesn't want is to lose contol of whos popular and who sells, megahits.
I don't think so. Thats so stupid i think most poeple would be like "screw that" And whats the goverment going to do then? If 75% of poeple speed, and they going to put 75% of poeple in jail?
Pople speed 10+ bceause they damn well know that if everyones going the same speed the cops not going to ticket them, hell i've seen cops speed (20+ the speed limit, 10+ everyone else) and no lights or sirens on.
"The net cost to publishers would rise because they would not be able to reliably recover as much of their costs, so the publication of works would become increasingly rarer. Although any material may be freely shared, not all of it would necessarily be easy to find. Fans of artists or authors of obscure works would be entirely out of luck."
What the hell are you on? As it stands i can get ANY computer game EVER made. And thats even with it ilegal to host them. And its easy to find music, movies and more (books proibley to) I can only image what it would be like if it was legal.
Getting rip of copyrights (or at least shortening them/cause them to expire on works a company doesn't republish every 5 years, ie not worth it) would cause a huge amoutnt of works to be availble.
books that you cannot find anywhere would be a search away, music/movies/games would be the same. Theres always someone who will host it, and theres alot of sites that collect works like that and offer them to download (underdogs, theres a book site to) games only right now bceause its easy to get away with, if its nto ISDA they can put it up, but even the ISDA games that no one buys anymore still cna't be put up because of copyright law. get rid of it(shorten or whatever) up them come.
Music and movies don't get hosted beause MMPA and RIAA will come down hard on thoses poeple. But if the were allows to hsot em i'm 100% sure they would be up damn fast.
Its hard when your righting agiast the prison gurads, police and other people who are employed by the so call "war on drugs" that only puts people in jail for a really really long time and wastes tax payers money.
There are lobbies for the prison guard unions fighting agaist leagal pot BECAUSE so many people are put in jair for insanely long periods of time for haveing a little baggy of pot. Its all about money and who gets the money from a drug war.
1) not true, actuly this has the reverse effect, a band can produce any sort of material and the put it up for download/sale on the internet. If it wasn't going to sell a CD and is not radio friendly then with the net it'll get to poeple who enjoy and listen to it. More then a CD would (IF the RIAA LET them put it on the CD)
2) change the price cheam to per min instead of per sogn. Or let the artist set the price for the sogn.
3) Not all albums are like that, and thoses that are (far and few between, well at elast good ones) can be sold as a entire album package.
As it stands CDs suck only because the price fixing and gougeing. and that RIAA wants to control everything,
No RIAA, many indy companies, cheap CDs (no 50% of price spent on RIAA dn ads) then CDs would rule again
But the diffrence here is its not about human rights, its about a huge corp (whos already been convicted of price fixing) ripping of the customer and when the customer tried to fight back by useing P2P instead of doing the right thing and fixing their biz modle the corp gets new laws passed.
And hell P2P isn't bad for the artists at all, its bad for the RIAA ONLY. indy artists probley love it.
You know i'm wondering How the hell do they prove that its your IP, or that your the one shareing, i mean how easy is it to connect a IP -> NAME. If you running a huge server on a T3 yea, i can see that, but if its just a cable modem or even dialup! How do they get the name? And what about firewalls/ routers?? one IP could belong to many diffrent people.
So how do they PROVE that you were the one who had that IP at that time. I mean if i got a letter in the mail saying "we are sueing you for so and so" i'd just
a) remove all piratied software onto a spare HD and hide/give to friend to hold untill its all over
b) maybe borrow a ton of CDs from a few friends
c) argue 1 of 1 things. 1) That i never file shared, i never put thoses sogns up for shareing, that they must have done their research wronge, and HOW can they tie me to an IP, or that I was the one doing the shareing (computers are multiuser/could be NATed) and it must have been someone else.
2) That i own the sogns i ripped, claim their are mine(i own the CDs) so i have the right to rip the sogns, and some of the sogns i was shareing where on CDs i used to own but where stolen/lost/ect. And i didn't tell the software to share them! i'm bad with computers! what do you mean it was automaticly shareing my stuff! I just wanted to get some sogns from CDs that i've lost!
And yea lawyers are expensive, but if 1 person fights this i can see it failing pretty fast due to how bloody hard it'll be to prove this. Or a class action lawsuit agiast the RIAA for something or other.
I'd just represent myself and hope the judge throws it out based on no evidence its me.
well to support apple here, they DO use a diffrent CPU arch, and you can run linux on their hardware (and i don't think they give a damn what you do with their hardware once you baught it, unlike MS would would probley sue you to hell)
And well their OS is unix based and is just plain better then windows=P
It never dies, just less poeple NEED a REAL workstation now. There are somethings you just can't do on a PC, or even a cluster and need a powerful workstation.
The bar is just going higer when it comes to the defn of workstation and as that happens less and less people need a real workstation, but there will always be people who do, so workstations will always exists.
OK, lets get 1 thing straight here microsoft IS NOT the most successful company. Its #175 in the global market. That is sure as hell NOT the most successful company.
Wal-mart would be a better bet as it IS #1. MS is a large company, but not a true giant like walmart, IBM or many others.
It would also NOT be ideals of capitalism breaking down. Not breaking them up and allowing for compition would be suck a break down as MS is a monopoly that has a unfari advantage and uses its advantage all the time. Its illeag and wrong (even IF they made great software it'd still be bad). MS is preventing the free market ideals by forceing its self upon cusomers and locking them in.
And "People would nolonger aspire to become as rich and successful as possible? Is being greedy a crime?" WTF are you on?? Bill gates would lose money, but he'd still be rich as hell. Hes not the one they would go after, its MS.
And even if they did i'm sure no ones going to stop aspireing to be rich and successful.
Well if someone owns a X-Box for linux, someone else in their household, or the owner themselves MIGHT just decide oneday to get a game and play it on the x-box, even thou the orig reason they baught it over such and such was because they could run linux on it .
Same thing with banning guns: criminals: get guns even if they aren't sold. regular people: Can no longer get guns to protect themselves from the criminals who now have guns.
Its just another form on control over how pople live (matrix!)
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i think its fair to downlaod when CDs are way overpriced (they were convicted of price fixing)
1 CD 2 hours, 24-30$ CND, price remains constant.
1 video game, 10-200++++ hours of interactive fun 60-80$ new releases, 20-30 for old. Price goes down over time.
Now lets see here, what do i want to spend my money on? the RIAA is overpriceing its music and driveing people to donwload and/or spend their cash elsewhere. Also with this P2P stuff driveing poeple to hate them (look at metalica, they lost ALOT of fans due to their anti-P2P stance)
its the RIAAs own fault. Sure its not right in the eyes of the law, and sure people shouldn't do that in the sense of the law. But the RIAA is driveing people to do so. Most people will do the right thing.
And they aren't a problem, P2P isnt' a problem, its a benifit to the artists (not the riaa who ARE NOT the artists). They blame P2P when the real problem is overpriced CDs, and a bad econemy.
I'd buy a game or a DVD well before i'd buy a CD, 2 CDs 1 DVD and 2 CDs more $$. Same with games. People are getting into other forms of entertainment.
actauly its not the same. If you could do that then many people who would have paid to see the movie wouldn't and would just wait to get the empty seats. ALSO more poeple = less enjoyment for the poeple who paid. So the manager has reasons not to let you in for free aside from the fact its for free. Now if you were friends/enployee/realative chances are he'd be like "yea sure, go right on in!".
Downlaoding a song that you were never going to buy doesn't do either. It only effects you in that now you get some music to enjoy, thou in a manner that artist doesn't want. And i can in the end have a positive effect.
And when our not someone who wasn't ever going to buy a CD, you were someone who always buys CDs and you were sampleing to see if you liked it (its the only way except for the top 40 they play on the radio over and over), Or someone who sometimes buys CDs and were seeing if it was worthwhile CD to buy. I never, and i mean NEVER baught CDs r even listen to non classical music untill p2p (i had tapes!), now i own quite a few CDs, but once RIAA starting being ignorent fucks i stopped buying them (well except for 1 that was on sale for 5$ cnd), maybe if they stop being such fools i'll start buying CDs again.
Nice try with the theater one thou, its one of the best i've heard yet. The only thing you can do in real life that can comepare to p2p is recording something off the radio or a concert and passing the tapes around. That didn't hurt the RIAA one bit so i don't think P2P is going to in any way. They are like petty children that are mad about the fasct they no longer have complete and total control.
Actualy it seems it was discovered in november and was sat on untill a patch was ready.... so same old slow microsoft.
Or you can just borrow your friends CDs and rip them. P2P is only 1 way to share music, and now that everyons got a taste of free music, they will find a new way.
Because you missed the point, it was a joke, you know thoses things that other people laugh at but you never get?
Its a hell of alot better thens ISS.......
LOL how do you know i'm not a lawyer=P or a law student!?
partition HD, 1 linux, 1 win, use lilo/grub or whatever,
so you do this: boots into linux, automated scrip will take a known good file/dir tree and rsync it over to the windows partition, unless the windows parititon was totaly wiped, it'll take a in a most.
Then it boots the windows drive.
I read about this being done somewhere (i do a somewhat diffrent, floppy casues linux to boot, no auto login/script, as i don't do it every reboot)
Seince you don't care about any data saved on the dsktop and the like, a mahcine not working, been messed up, just reboot and its all good:)
Most poeple don't "copyright infringe" (its not steal)
They just use it as a way to sample stuff thats not played on the radio and see what they would like to buy.
There are some who just downlaod and never buy any CDs, but then i know someone like that and even without P2P he would never buy a CD. And hes donwload stuff and then pointed me at the band who witch me and others then baught, so even thou he didn't buy a CD, because he sampled a track, liked it, told others, the RIAA and artists made money in the end,
I didn't say a thing about copyright being bad.
What i'm talking about is how a large portion of the population feel that downloading music is A-OK because in the end it DOESN'T "screw artists", IN the end they benifit greatly by haveing more people listen to their music online.
Its been poitned out before, you have 3 kinds of P2P downlaoders
1) always buy, download to sample and buy if the lsiten to it
2)downlaod to sample and buy if they like enough tracks on the CD, or like the artists, most poeple will buy a CD even if they donwlaod it, IF they like it. They never download instead of buying, they download to see if its worth buying (and yea i guess this screws over the artists who suck and depend on ads)
3) never ever buy, always download.
now the mean is #2, most poeple will buy something they like, and do not download as a replacement. and some poeple always download. Download is not a replacement for owning the real CD. And the market hasn't suffred from P2P, allthou the RIIA would have you belive so.
its really no diffrent then recording it to tapes/CDs and passing them around witch has been going on for a lot longer. It doesn impact sales anymore then that did.
What the RIAA doesn't want is to lose contol of whos popular and who sells, megahits.
I don't think so. Thats so stupid i think most poeple would be like "screw that" And whats the goverment going to do then? If 75% of poeple speed, and they going to put 75% of poeple in jail?
Pople speed 10+ bceause they damn well know that if everyones going the same speed the cops not going to ticket them, hell i've seen cops speed (20+ the speed limit, 10+ everyone else) and no lights or sirens on.
"The net cost to publishers would rise because they would not be able to reliably recover as much of their costs, so the publication of works would become increasingly rarer. Although any material may be freely shared, not all of it would necessarily be easy to find. Fans of artists or authors of obscure works would be entirely out of luck."
What the hell are you on? As it stands i can get ANY computer game EVER made. And thats even with it ilegal to host them. And its easy to find music, movies and more (books proibley to)
I can only image what it would be like if it was legal.
Getting rip of copyrights (or at least shortening them/cause them to expire on works a company doesn't republish every 5 years, ie not worth it) would cause a huge amoutnt of works to be availble.
books that you cannot find anywhere would be a search away, music/movies/games would be the same. Theres always someone who will host it, and theres alot of sites that collect works like that and offer them to download (underdogs, theres a book site to) games only right now bceause its easy to get away with, if its nto ISDA they can put it up, but even the ISDA games that no one buys anymore still cna't be put up because of copyright law. get rid of it(shorten or whatever) up them come.
Music and movies don't get hosted beause MMPA and RIAA will come down hard on thoses poeple. But if the were allows to hsot em i'm 100% sure they would be up damn fast.
Its hard when your righting agiast the prison gurads, police and other people who are employed by the so call "war on drugs" that only puts people in jail for a really really long time and wastes tax payers money.
There are lobbies for the prison guard unions fighting agaist leagal pot BECAUSE so many people are put in jair for insanely long periods of time for haveing a little baggy of pot. Its all about money and who gets the money from a drug war.
well since its so easy to grow, i doubt that happen. Bud is best when pure, and it keeps getting strong and stronger (at leas tup here in BC heh)
Easy to solve thoses problems:
1) not true, actuly this has the reverse effect, a band can produce any sort of material and the put it up for download/sale on the internet. If it wasn't going to sell a CD and is not radio friendly then with the net it'll get to poeple who enjoy and listen to it. More then a CD would (IF the RIAA LET them put it on the CD)
2) change the price cheam to per min instead of per sogn. Or let the artist set the price for the sogn.
3) Not all albums are like that, and thoses that are (far and few between, well at elast good ones) can be sold as a entire album package.
As it stands CDs suck only because the price fixing and gougeing. and that RIAA wants to control everything,
No RIAA, many indy companies, cheap CDs (no 50% of price spent on RIAA dn ads) then CDs would rule again
But the diffrence here is its not about human rights, its about a huge corp (whos already been convicted of price fixing) ripping of the customer and when the customer tried to fight back by useing P2P instead of doing the right thing and fixing their biz modle the corp gets new laws passed.
And hell P2P isn't bad for the artists at all, its bad for the RIAA ONLY. indy artists probley love it.
You know i'm wondering How the hell do they prove that its your IP, or that your the one shareing, i mean how easy is it to connect a IP -> NAME. If you running a huge server on a T3 yea, i can see that, but if its just a cable modem or even dialup! How do they get the name? And what about firewalls/ routers?? one IP could belong to many diffrent people.
So how do they PROVE that you were the one who had that IP at that time. I mean if i got a letter in the mail saying "we are sueing you for so and so" i'd just
a) remove all piratied software onto a spare HD and hide/give to friend to hold untill its all over
b) maybe borrow a ton of CDs from a few friends
c) argue 1 of 1 things.
1) That i never file shared, i never put thoses sogns up for shareing, that they must have done their research wronge, and HOW can they tie me to an IP, or that I was the one doing the shareing (computers are multiuser/could be NATed) and it must have been someone else.
2) That i own the sogns i ripped, claim their are mine(i own the CDs) so i have the right to rip the sogns, and some of the sogns i was shareing where on CDs i used to own but where stolen/lost/ect. And i didn't tell the software to share them! i'm bad with computers! what do you mean it was automaticly shareing my stuff! I just wanted to get some sogns from CDs that i've lost!
And yea lawyers are expensive, but if 1 person fights this i can see it failing pretty fast due to how bloody hard it'll be to prove this. Or a class action lawsuit agiast the RIAA for something or other.
I'd just represent myself and hope the judge throws it out based on no evidence its me.
Once you give grandma a fully working PC its doubtfull that shes going to want to/have to isntall new hardware or fix any problems.
Theres a reason some people say linux just works.
well to support apple here, they DO use a diffrent CPU arch, and you can run linux on their hardware (and i don't think they give a damn what you do with their hardware once you baught it, unlike MS would would probley sue you to hell)
And well their OS is unix based and is just plain better then windows=P
It never dies, just less poeple NEED a REAL workstation now. There are somethings you just can't do on a PC, or even a cluster and need a powerful workstation.
The bar is just going higer when it comes to the defn of workstation and as that happens less and less people need a real workstation, but there will always be people who do, so workstations will always exists.
OK, lets get 1 thing straight here microsoft IS NOT the most successful company. Its #175 in the global market. That is sure as hell NOT the most successful company.
Wal-mart would be a better bet as it IS #1. MS is a large company, but not a true giant like walmart, IBM or many others.
It would also NOT be ideals of capitalism breaking down. Not breaking them up and allowing for compition would be suck a break down as MS is a monopoly that has a unfari advantage and uses its advantage all the time. Its illeag and wrong (even IF they made great software it'd still be bad). MS is preventing the free market ideals by forceing its self upon cusomers and locking them in.
And "People would nolonger aspire to become as rich and successful as possible? Is being greedy a crime?" WTF are you on?? Bill gates would lose money, but he'd still be rich as hell. Hes not the one they would go after, its MS.
And even if they did i'm sure no ones going to stop aspireing to be rich and successful.
Get a fucking clue.
Well if someone owns a X-Box for linux, someone else in their household, or the owner themselves MIGHT just decide oneday to get a game and play it on the x-box, even thou the orig reason they baught it over such and such was because they could run linux on it .
Only have to refrigerate it at the Point Of Sale. So refrigeratation probley doesn't cost all that much.
ITs alot worse in the US, other countires have more sensible laws that prevent a fair number of the absolutely crazy ones that happen in the US.
Same thing with banning guns:
criminals: get guns even if they aren't sold.
regular people: Can no longer get guns to protect themselves from the criminals who now have guns.
Its just another form on control over how pople live (matrix!)