But they are distributing it. At least to some selected developers.
It's probably the other way round. If they give it only to a selected number of testers under NDA it may still be regarded as "in-house". If they make it public beta (or if there is a massive leak) they must release the corresponding version of the underlying LGPL-ed code, no matter how buggy it is.
Stability for a production environment, which Moz 1.2.1 has. Phoenix is still alpha, and not very actively developed at the moment. Seems the developers have other things on their minds (safaris, schools...)
He has a mixed environment. He may have architectures which Phoenix does not support (it is MS Windows and Linux/Intel only.)
All components, in particular Mail & News. Phoenix is browser only.
Mozilla 1.2.1 seems a good choice to me, maybe 1.3a or a carefully chosen nightly could be considered.
Yes, from View>Show/Hide (if you have only one tab open, of course).
Can you minimise/maximise individual tabs? Can you resize tabs?
Hmm, what would be the point of that? You just resize the whole browser.
Can you put more than one tab onscreen at a time (tile/cascade)?
Again, what the point? The tabs are accessible by, ugh, tabs, which carry the title of the page. (There is a Request for Enhancement for some kind od split screen display, I think, but it has not been implemented yet.)
Can you use standard keys for moving between tabs (CTRL+TAB, CTRL+SHIFT+TAB)?
Yes they work.
Can you use standard keys for creating (CTRL+N) and closing (CTRL+F4) tabs?
Ctrl-t opens a new tab. (I always close tabs with mouse, so not sure about the other one.)
... and everything still revolved around the "one window per page" SDI.
You seem to miss the point. As it has been said already, clicking on links with "open tabs in background" preference is a way of browsing that many find extremely powerfull.
Get with your sysadmin. Ask him to set your default shell to your current favorite (apparently zsh).
Oops, I failed to mention that this happens only when I su to root. On my user account the shell is tcsh, which tells you also about my current favorites:) I did not try to change the shell for root because of possible side effects. I rather live with this (minor) annoyance, since it is a small workstation/server with not much administering required. However, I find the attitude of the UNIX vendors symptomatic. They may be getting what they deserve...
On the whole I like the UNIX cli approach. But after trying to configure a few years ago some machines so that a user would get the same PATH (customized, not just the vendor defaults) no matter which way he logs in (X, console, ssh from a remote machine, telnet [1]) and which shell he uses, and that it stays the same if he opens another xterm or just another instance of shell from within a terminal, I am much more realistic. The word interesting takes a whole new meaning.
[1] Of course, the X11 paths present only in the X environment.
I wanted to say that the existing Unix/Linux shells (1) are mutually incompatible (2) are often a pain to program (bash, uh) and use, (3) and some big vendors still keep the oldest and least friendly.
Why do you think yet another new shell will fix that?
It could, if well designed.
It should be set up by the distribution for you.
If you use.deb or.rpm software that's OK. If you use say Portland Group FORTRAN (ugh) you have to tweak your environment. Anyway, my comment was not a complaint that I have to do that, but rather that I have to do it in a different way in different shells, and neither of them is pleasing. And there are many features like that in the present shells.
Do you seriously believe that everyone who uses/publishes/writes/fixes/documents/etc open source software are close-minded and never innovative?
No, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. But, for example, some aspects of the CLI could benefit a lot from a insightfull redisign.
I completely agree with that. I would be much happier if the "new shell" project was started and implemented in the Unix/Linux world. Instead, the sh in SunOS 5.8 still diplays ^[[A when I try to recall previous commands by up arrow (of course, I can immediately type in "zsh" and be in a more friendly environment, but such workarounds should not be needed), and I would be happy not to have to deal with the details of PATH and environment in various Linux shells. Open source indeed needs a more open minded and innovative attitude.
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It's probably the other way round. If they give it only to a selected number of testers under NDA it may still be regarded as "in-house". If they make it public beta (or if there is a massive leak) they must release the corresponding version of the underlying LGPL-ed code, no matter how buggy it is.
Although: ...at a very critical time when there have been a ton of regressions. Well, the same developers caused the regressions in the first place...
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Stability for a production environment, which Moz 1.2.1 has. Phoenix is still alpha, and not very actively developed at the moment. Seems the developers have other things on their minds (safaris, schools
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He has a mixed environment. He may have architectures which Phoenix does not support (it is MS Windows and Linux/Intel only.)
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All components, in particular Mail & News. Phoenix is browser only.
Mozilla 1.2.1 seems a good choice to me, maybe 1.3a or a carefully chosen nightly could be considered.It used to crash my X11 on Linux as well, a couple of years ago, so I gave up ...
Yes, from View>Show/Hide (if you have only one tab open, of course).
Can you minimise/maximise individual tabs? Can you resize tabs?
Hmm, what would be the point of that? You just resize the whole browser.
Can you put more than one tab onscreen at a time (tile/cascade)?
Again, what the point? The tabs are accessible by, ugh, tabs, which carry the title of the page. (There is a Request for Enhancement for some kind od split screen display, I think, but it has not been implemented yet.)
Can you use standard keys for moving between tabs (CTRL+TAB, CTRL+SHIFT+TAB)?
Yes they work.
Can you use standard keys for creating (CTRL+N) and closing (CTRL+F4) tabs?
Ctrl-t opens a new tab. (I always close tabs with mouse, so not sure about the other one.)
You seem to miss the point. As it has been said already, clicking on links with "open tabs in background" preference is a way of browsing that many find extremely powerfull.
Oops, I failed to mention that this happens only when I su to root. On my user account the shell is tcsh, which tells you also about my current favorites :) I did not try to change the shell for root because of possible side effects. I rather live with this (minor) annoyance, since it is a small workstation/server with not much administering required. However, I find the attitude of the UNIX vendors symptomatic. They may be getting what they deserve ...
On the whole I like the UNIX cli approach. But after trying to configure a few years ago some machines so that a user would get the same PATH (customized, not just the vendor defaults) no matter which way he logs in (X, console, ssh from a remote machine, telnet [1]) and which shell he uses, and that it stays the same if he opens another xterm or just another instance of shell from within a terminal, I am much more realistic. The word interesting takes a whole new meaning.
[1] Of course, the X11 paths present only in the X environment.
I wanted to say that the existing Unix/Linux shells (1) are mutually incompatible (2) are often a pain to program (bash, uh) and use, (3) and some big vendors still keep the oldest and least friendly.
Why do you think yet another new shell will fix that?
It could, if well designed.
It should be set up by the distribution for you.
If you use .deb or .rpm software that's OK. If you use say Portland Group FORTRAN (ugh) you have to tweak your environment. Anyway, my comment was not a complaint that I have to do that, but rather that I have to do it in a different way in different shells, and neither of them is pleasing. And there are many features like that in the present shells.
Do you seriously believe that everyone who uses/publishes/writes/fixes/documents/etc open source software are close-minded and never innovative?
No, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. But, for example, some aspects of the CLI could benefit a lot from a insightfull redisign.
I completely agree with that. I would be much happier if the "new shell" project was started and implemented in the Unix/Linux world. Instead, the sh in SunOS 5.8 still diplays ^[[A when I try to recall previous commands by up arrow (of course, I can immediately type in "zsh" and be in a more friendly environment, but such workarounds should not be needed), and I would be happy not to have to deal with the details of PATH and environment in various Linux shells. Open source indeed needs a more open minded and innovative attitude.