"This is a transitional game we're playing, and conversion to Linux-based desktop systems won't be immediate. It will happen, though, unless something comes along that's got more momentum and greater robustness than Linux."
* Well, i totally agree about MacOS X. I use it exclusively now.
But windows gets quite usable once you take into account firefox too. Of course, you don't use XP default "THEME"?
And as much as I would love customizability of Linux desktops it just adds for trouble.
Not to mention that screen estate is cluttered both in kde and gnome by default anyway, the ability to build a menu bars and advanced widget systems to cover 1/3 of the screen (even windows IS better in this matter) is a criminal offence.
But this is just my two c. As usually.
I refuse to use shit. Windows at least covers with newspaper, linux admittedly smacks it into my face on every corner. The fact that it's free doesn't changes anything.
I seriously doubt that. Even techies are pretty unable to use linux on desktop anyway (and no, using console at your desk doesn't qualifies as Desktop Usage)
Oh. Are you a nice looking girl in early 20's? Then we just might consider that "fuck you" part.
On the other hand - yes, I have contributed. Mainly with bitchy feedback about bugs or ineffeciencies. As for the programming part - I choose to code a bit more serious software that:
a) Puts food on my table b) I, as a team/project manager, can control the code quality, I don't have to deal with coders changing each week and can predict what their capabilities and weak spots are, I can, surprise, answer for the projects I have completed, instead of listening how my code sucks, after some "open source expert wannabe" (generally to improve his CV with the first entry) has "contributed" to it "by improving it a bit". c) The design stays pretty consistent and I don't have to deal with proposals to "change that part" each iterations just because someone has no clue about design patterns or cannot understand what exactly happens behind the scenes.
I'm not telling that OSS is bad. No, far from it. Especially kernel developers - hats off to the magnificent job they are doing.
But seeing it being promoted as the REAL thing (especially in userland), well, dream on. And gain some social and arguing skills. After all, after receiving such a welcoming, just because I have expressed my opinion (guess what, without rude words, and, I would like to believe, in quite humorous and ironic form), how could I WAN'T to contribute to anything now?
But that doesn't changes the fact that this approach, in essence, breaks the open source promoted approach "join, if you want to" and makes quite a dangerous precedent. I don't care how sweet or sensible it reads in the article, in real life fanatic professors with their "GREAT AND THE ONLY" open source project can make quite a lot of damage.
(Interesting, why does everyone who doesn't agrees with the common slashdot policy - OSS == world domination get's marked as a troll. Add to this total lack of sense of humor, irony or sarcasm. And I just have to levitate between good and bad carma all the time:D. But nobody sees the irony in the words "their otherwise brilliant products".)
So now we have a "document flanky open source projects" in undergraduate curriculums?
I'm impressed. Altought it may seem quite idiotic and useless on the first sight, after all, you take a bunch of uninterested students and give them idiotic and generally useless task (after all, WHO does read the documentation), but on the other hand - imagine, back to the basics. Student driven economy. Software wars between universities. Sabotage projects by seniors on the competitors cvs.
Ah, the future. It looks so bright with this nonsense ideas available on the grounds of creative commons licence. Better back to building that shelter.
Ok, so we now start considering developement of specific, OSS community centric, graphical cards. Why? What exactly does it resolve? My Matrox G400 worked quite nicely when I checked it last time. Of course, aside from two days of X configuration and some X jokes by themselves.
I understand that everybody feels that there is some serious problems with graphical layer on Linux, but WHY THE HELL is anybody refusing to admit that all of this could be easily resolved by removing some 20 years old legacy layer from the system.
And as regards to the graphical card - thank you, but this will be a total flap. medium 2d performance, nonexistant 3d performance and crappy support under other OS'es. Think:
- Patents
- Time To Market
- Delivery channels
- Volumes and coressponding price per unit
In short, stop wasting your time trying to cure horse with a broken leg by reseating the jockey. FIX THE X! Kill it. Basta. Deleted. Removed. No more X. No more forks. Just remove it and replace with something monolithic, closely tied to the kernel and fucking working. Finito?
Finally - a beowulf cluster of those
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So now I will be finally able to create a little nice beowulf cluster out of those goodies.... Hey - wait. This joke didn't fit in where it really starts to be feasible:D
T-SQL, PL/SQL, postgres procedures and so on and so forth.
Who cares. If we will have to use it, we will learn it. Until then leave annoncements of yet another OSS evangelists (ok, this may not be the case, but since I doubt that I'll assume it is:D) to themselves.
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he is right.
In commercial developement there are different values.
Really Good Ide. A MUST. There is no way your averange programmers will work day to day in a text editor. There has to be a layer that catches some of their mistakes and highlights others. (winner: Java. IntelliJIdean and Sun Java SDK. Nuff said)
API. Even more important. Remember, the software, occasionally, is written for the client (yes, yes, I know this is not the usual case with hardcore/.ers who programm their doorbell in ASM, but anyway). Good API ensures consistent visual representation on the platform intented and, preferrably, on similar platforms too. Client would be quite unhappy if you would hadle them perl cripts with a READ_ME where configuration process (replacing strings in source using regexps) would be described. They want GUI. (Winner: C++/C#. On Windows.)
Consistency. What point to invest in language or technology if each release of it creates a totall mess trying to clean up our own code because there are some "small improvements" to the api. If you made it stupid first time, don't change it. There is code that relies on that. (Winner: none. They All Suck. But from my experience nether Java, nether C# isn't the worst offenders).
Open source. This is not an argument. In fact, for enterprise world, open source sounds much more problematic than any of good old microsoft solutions. They are GUARANTEED to receive support, should they need it, they are guaranteed to have an access to consistent and high quality materials as a reference instead of "take a look at that and that site (full of dirty jokes, 1st semester level 'solutions' and racism)".
And as regards to writing enterprise software with mod_perl - good luck. I'll take a look at you when you will keep supporting it for the next 20 years. The language just isn't meant for this. But, in example, Java is. It allows me to implement some nifty features like code autoupdate or object lifecycle monitoring without any hassle. And, it shows up to be so simple, that even newbies that could be looking at my code could understand that.
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This is flamebait. If you have no need for seroius programming, this don't means others don't. And try to support 500 page site written in PHP and the same - in Java. There is a difference. Therefore, we need, Java. And, we need, C#. Ok, they are not ideal languages, but, they are more or less the best mainstream languages we have now. And, at least, they don't degrade programmers the way PHP do*.
Also, PHP STILL DOES NOT have anything that remotely resembles ide. Bad. Really, really, bad.
IntelliJIdea and Java allows me to be much more productive and write better code, because I don't have to live in jet another text editor with sintax coloring added just to call it an IDE. (they don't pay me. It's just a fact. I don't have to think about writing code or looking up variables, I can concentrate on functionality. And, no, I don't use wizards (especially since there are no wizards to optimize Java midlets code to bytecode level))
But, please remember, each language is for it's own purposes. Why being interpretated (PHP, Perl, Python) is better than having virtual machine?
From my point of view -
Java. A nice language, but the API sucks. It's ye good old SUN that develops MIDP standart and forgets to add function drawPixel to canvas.
C# - Also, quite good, language. Lacks proper operating envorement, is too closely tied to M$ api, but a really good one anyway.
I can work in both. Just as in LISP, Python, PHP, C++ or perl. None is better, each is more suited for it's own tasks.
le fin.
*About PHP degrading developers - Unfourtonately, I has to say, a lot of students coming out of university choose to work with PHP firsthand. It's web developement, it's easier to get first job there, et cera. But, once starting to learn PHP, quite soon they are incapable to think about software design and how their code works. Maybe because programming with some kind of architecture in PHP is a pain in the ass task and nobody knows how PHP code executes in real life?
Ok, as I understand it uses USB to transfer audio data to computer. Convient, but what about the sound quality?
Unfourtunately it's not yet available in my area, but if anyone can comment of this, I would be glad to hear about it.
After all, it's a radio. I don't care if the user interface is lame or good, I dont give a shit about timeshiftrecordingmadness, i'll just be happy to buy it if it does it's main task good!
Unfourtonately, lately, this rarely seems to be the case with almost every manifacturer. Price and marketspeak comes first.
You know what - such "fuck them, my pile of crap is better!" posts creates an urge to close browser and forget/. link each time I read them. And what is most pathetic is "5, Insightful" i see on the frontpage.
Bullshit. Go and shove your gnome up in your ass. It has nothing to do with operating envorement. It has inconsistent applications, you advertise OOs what is magnitutes slower and buggier than microsoft office, and you JUST DON'T GET the point of article.
(oh, and by the way. I use Windows, MacOS X and FreeBSD on my servers, but I just can't even consider Linux anymore. On desktop: It sucks. On server: It sucks. The comparision oupales it like a sun with some fairly small star beyond horizont. And I'm fairly open minded to even try out the latest archievements of Linux time by time. Start promoting quality instead of "Support from major industry players")
It has nothing to do with learning a new operating system. It is - learning Linux.
Try to force MacOS X on them. Get 20 cheap eMacs and offer them. A local company gone exactly this route a while ago and know what? After a week there already were local experts and everyone was really pleased with the transition. Of course, there were a few complains that Outlook isn't there anymore, but no general resistance whatsoever.
Yes, people ARE stupid. Most of them starts to doubt their actions, freeze or smile stupidly as soon as they have to do something they haven't been taught by their parents long, long ago. That's how it happens.
And as long as they think that they can use computers and don't know implications, safety procedures or have no signs of common sense - they are STUPID.
After all, you wouldnt allow your 80 years old grandma who knows shit about mechanics to forcestart your car from under the hood? Or if you will see that your neighbor, who, as you know, suffers from sudden lapses of narcolepsia, will you try to stop him?
Get a life, mr. BeautyOfTheWorld. If/. were about this stuff, we wouldn't be discussing ignorant and braindead users here.
The only problem is - they will never, never, never release it in a mass desktop market. It would be a hit, without doubt...
I have no hesitance to state that a lot of IT professionals don't feel comfortable enlarging their penis by aciquiring devices that, in heat spread, compares to nuclear plants, and p-M just delivers. Magnificently.
In fact, it perfoms quite on par with athlon 64, clock per clock. And that's the mobile, cutted, low power consumption, version.
Gives us a tought, doesn't? Especially while taking a look at how intel is slipping recently (market share loss in enthusiast market, successfull campaign from amd for corporate users, finally official itanium fall...)
Slashdot Mirror
"This is a transitional game we're playing, and conversion to Linux-based desktop systems won't be immediate. It will happen, though, unless something comes along that's got more momentum and greater robustness than Linux."
;D
Think Mac OS X
* Well, i totally agree about MacOS X. I use it exclusively now.
But windows gets quite usable once you take into account firefox too. Of course, you don't use XP default "THEME"?
And as much as I would love customizability of Linux desktops it just adds for trouble.
Not to mention that screen estate is cluttered both in kde and gnome by default anyway, the ability to build a menu bars and advanced widget systems to cover 1/3 of the screen (even windows IS better in this matter) is a criminal offence.
But this is just my two c. As usually.
I refuse to use shit. Windows at least covers with newspaper, linux admittedly smacks it into my face on every corner. The fact that it's free doesn't changes anything.
Would it be because of the huge fan base of him in /. or because of the original and impresively artistic content of the work revealed?
I seriously doubt that. Even techies are pretty unable to use linux on desktop anyway (and no, using console at your desk doesn't qualifies as Desktop Usage)
This is the doom of Open Source and Browsers - they just can't resist the temptation to become the Next Big Thing ;D
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(Love your critics)
Don't works. Looks like that ANY open source project has the stigma of the Next Big Thing. No exceptions.
(a few really achieve this, but... how many apaches or hibernates can we have?)
Oh. Are you a nice looking girl in early 20's? Then we just might consider that "fuck you" part.
On the other hand - yes, I have contributed. Mainly with bitchy feedback about bugs or ineffeciencies. As for the programming part - I choose to code a bit more serious software that:
a) Puts food on my table
b) I, as a team/project manager, can control the code quality, I don't have to deal with coders changing each week and can predict what their capabilities and weak spots are, I can, surprise, answer for the projects I have completed, instead of listening how my code sucks, after some "open source expert wannabe" (generally to improve his CV with the first entry) has "contributed" to it "by improving it a bit".
c) The design stays pretty consistent and I don't have to deal with proposals to "change that part" each iterations just because someone has no clue about design patterns or cannot understand what exactly happens behind the scenes.
I'm not telling that OSS is bad. No, far from it. Especially kernel developers - hats off to the magnificent job they are doing.
But seeing it being promoted as the REAL thing (especially in userland), well, dream on. And gain some social and arguing skills. After all, after receiving such a welcoming, just because I have expressed my opinion (guess what, without rude words, and, I would like to believe, in quite humorous and ironic form), how could I WAN'T to contribute to anything now?
Ok, Agree. Good point.
:D. But nobody sees the irony in the words "their otherwise brilliant products".)
But that doesn't changes the fact that this approach, in essence, breaks the open source promoted approach "join, if you want to" and makes quite a dangerous precedent. I don't care how sweet or sensible it reads in the article, in real life fanatic professors with their "GREAT AND THE ONLY" open source project can make quite a lot of damage.
(Interesting, why does everyone who doesn't agrees with the common slashdot policy - OSS == world domination get's marked as a troll. Add to this total lack of sense of humor, irony or sarcasm. And I just have to levitate between good and bad carma all the time
So now we have a "document flanky open source projects" in undergraduate curriculums?
I'm impressed. Altought it may seem quite idiotic and useless on the first sight, after all, you take a bunch of uninterested students and give them idiotic and generally useless task (after all, WHO does read the documentation), but on the other hand - imagine, back to the basics. Student driven economy. Software wars between universities. Sabotage projects by seniors on the competitors cvs.
Ah, the future. It looks so bright with this nonsense ideas available on the grounds of creative commons licence. Better back to building that shelter.
Ok, so we now start considering developement of specific, OSS community centric, graphical cards. Why? What exactly does it resolve?
My Matrox G400 worked quite nicely when I checked it last time. Of course, aside from two days of X configuration and some X jokes by themselves.
I understand that everybody feels that there is some serious problems with graphical layer on Linux, but WHY THE HELL is anybody refusing to admit that all of this could be easily resolved by removing some 20 years old legacy layer from the system.
And as regards to the graphical card - thank you, but this will be a total flap. medium 2d performance, nonexistant 3d performance and crappy support under other OS'es.
Think:
- Patents
- Time To Market
- Delivery channels
- Volumes and coressponding price per unit
In short, stop wasting your time trying to cure horse with a broken leg by reseating the jockey. FIX THE X! Kill it. Basta. Deleted. Removed. No more X. No more forks. Just remove it and replace with something monolithic, closely tied to the kernel and fucking working. Finito?
So now I will be finally able to create a little nice beowulf cluster out of those goodies. ... Hey - wait. This joke didn't fit in where it really starts to be feasible :D
let's start with a highly normalized database. And keep on with sane data mining approach.
32K queries are not normal. Altough I must say, I have writtend and seen some queries that takes up to 20h to execute too.
And yet we learn ;D
:D) to themselves.
T-SQL, PL/SQL, postgres procedures and so on and so forth.
Who cares. If we will have to use it, we will learn it. Until then leave annoncements of yet another OSS evangelists (ok, this may not be the case, but since I doubt that I'll assume it is
he is right.
/.ers who programm their doorbell in ASM, but anyway). Good API ensures consistent visual representation on the platform intented and, preferrably, on similar platforms too. Client would be quite unhappy if you would hadle them perl cripts with a READ_ME where configuration process (replacing strings in source using regexps) would be described. They want GUI.
In commercial developement there are different values.
Really Good Ide. A MUST. There is no way your averange programmers will work day to day in a text editor. There has to be a layer that catches some of their mistakes and highlights others.
(winner: Java. IntelliJIdean and Sun Java SDK. Nuff said)
API. Even more important. Remember, the software, occasionally, is written for the client (yes, yes, I know this is not the usual case with hardcore
(Winner: C++/C#. On Windows.)
Consistency. What point to invest in language or technology if each release of it creates a totall mess trying to clean up our own code because there are some "small improvements" to the api. If you made it stupid first time, don't change it. There is code that relies on that.
(Winner: none. They All Suck. But from my experience nether Java, nether C# isn't the worst offenders).
Open source. This is not an argument. In fact, for enterprise world, open source sounds much more problematic than any of good old microsoft solutions. They are GUARANTEED to receive support, should they need it, they are guaranteed to have an access to consistent and high quality materials as a reference instead of "take a look at that and that site (full of dirty jokes, 1st semester level 'solutions' and racism)".
And as regards to writing enterprise software with mod_perl - good luck. I'll take a look at you when you will keep supporting it for the next 20 years. The language just isn't meant for this.
But, in example, Java is. It allows me to implement some nifty features like code autoupdate or object lifecycle monitoring without any hassle. And, it shows up to be so simple, that even newbies that could be looking at my code could understand that.
This is flamebait. If you have no need for seroius programming, this don't means others don't. And try to support 500 page site written in PHP and the same - in Java. There is a difference. Therefore, we need, Java. And, we need, C#. Ok, they are not ideal languages, but, they are more or less the best mainstream languages we have now. And, at least, they don't degrade programmers the way PHP do*.
Also, PHP STILL DOES NOT have anything that remotely resembles ide. Bad. Really, really, bad.
IntelliJIdea and Java allows me to be much more productive and write better code, because I don't have to live in jet another text editor with sintax coloring added just to call it an IDE. (they don't pay me. It's just a fact. I don't have to think about writing code or looking up variables, I can concentrate on functionality. And, no, I don't use wizards (especially since there are no wizards to optimize Java midlets code to bytecode level))
But, please remember, each language is for it's own purposes. Why being interpretated (PHP, Perl, Python) is better than having virtual machine?
From my point of view -
Java. A nice language, but the API sucks. It's ye good old SUN that develops MIDP standart and forgets to add function drawPixel to canvas.
C# - Also, quite good, language. Lacks proper operating envorement, is too closely tied to M$ api, but a really good one anyway.
I can work in both. Just as in LISP, Python, PHP, C++ or perl. None is better, each is more suited for it's own tasks.
le fin.
*About PHP degrading developers - Unfourtonately, I has to say, a lot of students coming out of university choose to work with PHP firsthand. It's web developement, it's easier to get first job there, et cera. But, once starting to learn PHP, quite soon they are incapable to think about software design and how their code works. Maybe because programming with some kind of architecture in PHP is a pain in the ass task and nobody knows how PHP code executes in real life?
Ok, as I understand it uses USB to transfer audio data to computer. Convient, but what about the sound quality?
Unfourtunately it's not yet available in my area, but if anyone can comment of this, I would be glad to hear about it.
After all, it's a radio. I don't care if the user interface is lame or good, I dont give a shit about timeshiftrecordingmadness, i'll just be happy to buy it if it does it's main task good!
Unfourtonately, lately, this rarely seems to be the case with almost every manifacturer. Price and marketspeak comes first.
You know what - such "fuck them, my pile of crap is better!" posts creates an urge to close browser and forget /. link each time I read them. And what is most pathetic is "5, Insightful" i see on the frontpage.
Bullshit. Go and shove your gnome up in your ass. It has nothing to do with operating envorement. It has inconsistent applications, you advertise OOs what is magnitutes slower and buggier than microsoft office, and you JUST DON'T GET the point of article.
(oh, and by the way. I use Windows, MacOS X and FreeBSD on my servers, but I just can't even consider Linux anymore. On desktop: It sucks. On server: It sucks. The comparision oupales it like a sun with some fairly small star beyond horizont. And I'm fairly open minded to even try out the latest archievements of Linux time by time.
Start promoting quality instead of "Support from major industry players")
Take some old laptops, put foil around them and voila - we have a lot of low orbit sattelites.
(now if only someone could think up an application...)
like nethack? In ascii? ;D
I always wonder why we have just funny for such gems.
"Hilarous" (spelling, pleeze) would be so much more apropriate!
It has nothing to do with learning a new operating system. It is - learning Linux.
Try to force MacOS X on them. Get 20 cheap eMacs and offer them. A local company gone exactly this route a while ago and know what? After a week there already were local experts and everyone was really pleased with the transition. Of course, there were a few complains that Outlook isn't there anymore, but no general resistance whatsoever.
Try it.
lettme guess, you take it personally?
/. were about this stuff, we wouldn't be discussing ignorant and braindead users here.
Yes, people ARE stupid. Most of them starts to doubt their actions, freeze or smile stupidly as soon as they have to do something they haven't been taught by their parents long, long ago. That's how it happens.
And as long as they think that they can use computers and don't know implications, safety procedures or have no signs of common sense - they are STUPID.
After all, you wouldnt allow your 80 years old grandma who knows shit about mechanics to forcestart your car from under the hood? Or if you will see that your neighbor, who, as you know, suffers from sudden lapses of narcolepsia, will you try to stop him?
Get a life, mr. BeautyOfTheWorld. If
I was offered to download "Java 1.4 Update 2" today. A great timing ;D
You are on your way to see the light of Lisp ;D
Good. And actually I WANT one.
The only problem is - they will never, never, never release it in a mass desktop market. It would be a hit, without doubt...
I have no hesitance to state that a lot of IT professionals don't feel comfortable enlarging their penis by aciquiring devices that, in heat spread, compares to nuclear plants, and p-M just delivers. Magnificently.
In fact, it perfoms quite on par with athlon 64, clock per clock. And that's the mobile, cutted, low power consumption, version.
Gives us a tought, doesn't? Especially while taking a look at how intel is slipping recently (market share loss in enthusiast market, successfull campaign from amd for corporate users, finally official itanium fall...)