No offense but this is a pretty stupid questions. Other then the actual developers and people doing mods how many other people do you really think that read through all the source code for the open source products they use? The same applies here, the developers have all seen the code and people who want to do mods will read the code and pretty well everyone else will just enjoy using the product and not think anything about it.
And I don't even want to know if camping in this game involves a skill roll and tent pegs, please...:-)
It's not the skill rolling and tent pegs thats frustrating it's being forced to eat digital smores and sing Kum-bi-ya to a six string that really starts to get to you.
If your god is an indian who turns into a wolf and is coming for me with a razor, how it s/he planning to use it? Wouldn't they lack the opposible thumb to properly utilize the razor?
Umm, hello nut-muncher, re-read what I posted. I said because there was potential truth (I didn't google it myself/don't believe everything you read online) they would burn in the fires of karma hell. It was a joke.
Good think you posted AC, not only is your subject horribly off but there is so much potential truth in that you would burn in the Karma flames of hell!
That's not a big surprise. Why would you want to go into an industry where the public perception is either 1: too much work for too little pay/respect or 2: a bunch of whiners who will never be happy and constantly have bad moral. It's a lose/lose scenario.
...because Bill Clinton said in a radio interview yesterday that the great new field for the economy is energy conservation. Energy conservation people! It's the Great NEW Thing.
(disclaimer: that is until the next great new thing comes along so we can all jump ship and oversaturate the market causing another stock crash as the markets correct themselves against the inevidable flood of humanity panting to get some of the money. This disclaimer is valid in most states and countries except Virginia where they don't know how to read and Utah because those Mormans are just plain wierd.)
(smile) Well thanks for the long reply. Just to let you know, I'm not green, maybe not as experienced as you but not green (7 years as an admin for a couple of companies.) Also, I don't completely disagree with you. Yes, I have working in places where the PTB weren't very forgiving and maybe I'm supernaturally blessed to be working in a place where even though there is rampant politicing and even though there are special cases (ie: people who have the CEO's ear) I have almost always been able to work a compromise. A lot of it from interpersonal skills, learning the game and playing it to my advantage.
Exhibit A: Cisco IOS Interface Blocked by IPv4 Packets. Exhibit B: the bind worm from some years ago.
Both of these fall under the special case that I mentioned in my followup post, patches that needed to be applied right away because of point of presence vulnerabilities. Yes, something that creates a security hole that can not be blocked by properly filtered ports must be immediately addressed BUT often times these can be addressed where your corporation meets the world.
Companies (commercial, for-profit institutions) are not going to bet everything on the hacked-together, 386 server their 18yo, college drop-out, sysadmin built out of the junk he found rattling around in the trunk of his step-dad's LTD.
(grin) Now lets be fair, I said Pentium classics and I suggested using surplus. I also never said that the slapped together junkers were a long term solution but rather a short term plug to prove the need to the PTB. It was to fill a gap created by budgets or stubborn bosses.
However, they are MONITORING SYSTEMS...They don't stop a damn thing.
Once again, I didn't say that they would STOP anything. What I said was they are enormously usefull in changing from a REACTIVE role to a PROACTIVE role. I also said your biggest hole is your own users, in fact it's your biggest threat. The monitoring systems help you find out if user A is setting up a peer to peer program that is going to cause problems and lets you address it before the problem starts (stopping them from running the program, isolating that machine if you can't get the go ahead to stop them, etc.)
Finally, I still hold to the fact that YOU are responsable for what goes on in your network, no matter what the boss says. If it all goes tits up who gets the blame, the boss? If someone does something illegal who gets fired when the police are done with their investigation, the boss? Not bloody likely.
And what would your family members have done? Grab a fire axe and take aim on the drug cabnet? While that would've been entertaining, it would have been a job losing moment.
My family members would have either 1: found someone else who knew the code, even if it ment loosing face or 2: aquired the approprate drug from another department with a doctors ok.
I agree there are many stupid things done in the name of politics and image but that doesn't releave you of your responsability to properly roll things out. Frankly no security patch requires instant roll out if you've got proper security in place. The exception would be point of access security. Keep in mind that internal security will never be truely secure because your biggest threat is the users, especially an angry user. And yes, you can be ultra-restrictive and still give everyone the access they need. Local and domain security profiles, firewalls for filtering and monitoring, properly build gateways to control what information goes where and the priority level of it, etc, etc. Build extra protection around the people who need/have the power to get more access. The large price tag may come from administrators who aren't willing to put in the time to learn how to do it themselves or learn how to properly configure what is available out there. Have to go with a vender and don't have the budget immediately available? See what you can do with old recycled equipment and free software. You don't need expensive cisco routers when an old pentium classic with decent ram and a carefully pruned Linux install can give you all the power and flexability you need. Even if the policy is to impliment everything with one vendor in mind stop gap measures can be created on the fly. Say you want to test it to see if it's worth getting "better" equipment. If it's not costing them anything and it will be transparent to the users what do they care? But it will give you that peace of mind to know it's in place and doing it's job.
Also I've found that since an admin's time is cheaper then high end hardware/software, if you present a reasonable balance sheet showing how you can reduce the costs it gets you into a better "political" position to make deals. Sure, you're not going to get everything and yeah, there will always be people who will force their agenda but that isn't most people, especially if you learn how to play the game, and it's generally not all the time.
Oh, and as for monitoring not helping after the network has been hacked, sure it helps. It gives you something to work on so you can better protect your systems for next time. But how many times has your network been hacked? It also helps you to identify the problem and have policies built to protect against it. You're never going to stop everything, that is imposible so long as the computers have power running into them. But at least you'll know immediately when something DOES happen and you can be proactive in stoping it, not reactive in fixing it.
Bull. I once sat in the ER and watched a nurse spend nearly an hour hunting for the inventory control number to enter into the computer to unlock the refridgerator for a 10$ bottle of eye drops for this teen who had a fluorescent bulb explode in his face. So don't give me this bullshit. They'll waste a great deal of time on a broken computer instead of a bleeding person.
How does this NOT prove my point. I said any nurse worth their salt. Obviously that individual was not up to par. I know nurses, good nurses. I happen to have a few in my immediate family and none of them would allow someone to be perminately hurt because of a computer.
You obviously are not a sysadmin... Admins do what the PHBs tell them to do. Butt stupid idea or not, when the boss tells you to do X, you do X or find a new job.
Actually, I am a sysadmin and have been for a number of years. And yeah, you do what the PTB tell you to but you do not do things that are going to get people killed because YOU can be lieble, as can the PTB. What is important is to develop a good relationship with the PTB and then you can properly explain to them WHY you have certain procedures.
Firewalls do very little to stop the clueless morons behind the firewall from doing ever more inventively stupid things.
Gee, really? How about setting up your firewalls properly to monitor your internal network as well as your external network? How about doing Outbound filtering as well as Inbound filtering? How about developing proper policies and network infrastructure so should something fall through your security net it effects the least amount of users?
Once again, another "The Sky is Falling!" story from Slashdot. Patch vs. Crash, your very life might be at stake! Oh My GOD!
Pshaw, what a pant load. Here's a more rational look at this.
1: Chances are, your life won't be at stake. Any doctor or nurse worth their salt should be able to keep you alive without a computer. It's not like it's sitting in the room beside you, monitoring you. At least, not one running Microsoft
2: Any System Administrator worth his/her salt never, ever, ever puts a patch on a critical system without first testing, testing, testing on another system.
3: Also, any System Administrator with half a brain puts some type of firewall in place between the world and critical systems.
If the above three conditions are not true then the failure has occured in more important places then Microsoft or the Software Provider.
And BTW, Linux is not the solution here. Sure the vendor might be able to put together a fix faster with open source but there would still be some lag time; assuming the software vendor chose to make a fix at all and not take the same attitude they are taking with Microsoft.
...over a movie fabricated in some Hollywood studio to fool the Russians. Walked on the moon, what a load of horse poop. How would they have survived the Van Allen radiation belts? Why are there so many errors and inconsistancies? You going to believe all the crap they spell out for you? They were in a cold war for goodness sake. Of course they SAID they got to the moon. Anyone who believes this trite deserves what they've got coming to them.
Who are you or anyone else to choose which set of answers is the correct answer? What if you had been removed because you made a wrong choice at some point? Don't you learn more from your mistakes then from you victories?
Humans don't require a rules-based system to be able to make judgments about right and wrong.
You assume that humans are generally able to make the correct judgement when it comes to what is right and what is wrong. History has definitely shown that to be incorrect. Besides, determining what is right and wrong and choosing to do what is right or wrong are two completely different concepts
Maybe it's just me but I think they are being a little fool hearty. The next time they run will be for the money? Last time I checked they had a pretty good lead on the other teams. And their primary full scale run didn't go perfectly, good but not perfect. Why run the risk of killing 3 people when you've got such a lead? Why not run a couple more tests to the target altitude with the craft to be sure it's not going to fail? One test just seems reckless to me, especially considering what happened.
(From article) Did study to asses orbital debris problem
I once had an asses debris problem but being on earth, gravity helped keep it discrete. I guess in space the lack of gravity makes it more of a problem. No one wants to share a space elevator with a "happy crapper."
...is that it tends to underestimate to power of the stupid. Someone with either disable the system and still loose their leg, or in trying to demonstrate it they will, say, drop it on their leg, which give the speed of the blade and momentum it gains accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 would probably be more then enough to sever an artery or at least cause a lawsuit.
If this is geared towards women then why the hell have a man in the car? To show that men are inferior and hence need this technology too? Why not show a smart, sexy business women who doesn't have the time to screw around with something as trivial as parallel parking and is happy letting the car do it for her? After all, if it's sex appeal they are going after, lots of studies have shown that both genders generally fine the female form more attractive then the male.
It was probably modded flamebait because the post suggests, however innocently, that women are the problem. Which is ironic because I would imagine that men cause more traffic problems, considering the lower rates that women typically pay. Especially teenaged males.
Actually, the first poster has a valid point. What the hell it the point of this story? It's neither interesting or important. So they made a smell that they *think* is the same as a T-Rex. They don't have any point of reference, for all we know the T-Rex's mouth could have smelt like a dozen roses, or it could have smelt like ass.
...worthless application of technology. Will it help the surfers style? Will it calculate the odds of the next wave being the big one? Or will it just give a big boost to nude webcam surfing?
A better application of technology would have been to put a micronized mp3 playing into the board so you could have your own sound track playing while barreling down a wave.
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No offense but this is a pretty stupid questions. Other then the actual developers and people doing mods how many other people do you really think that read through all the source code for the open source products they use? The same applies here, the developers have all seen the code and people who want to do mods will read the code and pretty well everyone else will just enjoy using the product and not think anything about it.
It's not the skill rolling and tent pegs thats frustrating it's being forced to eat digital smores and sing Kum-bi-ya to a six string that really starts to get to you.
If your god is an indian who turns into a wolf and is coming for me with a razor, how it s/he planning to use it? Wouldn't they lack the opposible thumb to properly utilize the razor?
Just curious.
Have a hot blonde with only carefully placed dental floss showing the room?
Here's a penny, go buy yourself a freaking clue.
Good think you posted AC, not only is your subject horribly off but there is so much potential truth in that you would burn in the Karma flames of hell!
That's not a big surprise. Why would you want to go into an industry where the public perception is either 1: too much work for too little pay/respect or 2: a bunch of whiners who will never be happy and constantly have bad moral. It's a lose/lose scenario.
(disclaimer: that is until the next great new thing comes along so we can all jump ship and oversaturate the market causing another stock crash as the markets correct themselves against the inevidable flood of humanity panting to get some of the money. This disclaimer is valid in most states and countries except Virginia where they don't know how to read and Utah because those Mormans are just plain wierd.)
Exhibit A: Cisco IOS Interface Blocked by IPv4 Packets. Exhibit B: the bind worm from some years ago.
Both of these fall under the special case that I mentioned in my followup post, patches that needed to be applied right away because of point of presence vulnerabilities. Yes, something that creates a security hole that can not be blocked by properly filtered ports must be immediately addressed BUT often times these can be addressed where your corporation meets the world.
Companies (commercial, for-profit institutions) are not going to bet everything on the hacked-together, 386 server their 18yo, college drop-out, sysadmin built out of the junk he found rattling around in the trunk of his step-dad's LTD.
(grin) Now lets be fair, I said Pentium classics and I suggested using surplus. I also never said that the slapped together junkers were a long term solution but rather a short term plug to prove the need to the PTB. It was to fill a gap created by budgets or stubborn bosses.
However, they are MONITORING SYSTEMS...They don't stop a damn thing.
Once again, I didn't say that they would STOP anything. What I said was they are enormously usefull in changing from a REACTIVE role to a PROACTIVE role. I also said your biggest hole is your own users, in fact it's your biggest threat. The monitoring systems help you find out if user A is setting up a peer to peer program that is going to cause problems and lets you address it before the problem starts (stopping them from running the program, isolating that machine if you can't get the go ahead to stop them, etc.)
Finally, I still hold to the fact that YOU are responsable for what goes on in your network, no matter what the boss says. If it all goes tits up who gets the blame, the boss? If someone does something illegal who gets fired when the police are done with their investigation, the boss? Not bloody likely.
My family members would have either 1: found someone else who knew the code, even if it ment loosing face or 2: aquired the approprate drug from another department with a doctors ok.
I agree there are many stupid things done in the name of politics and image but that doesn't releave you of your responsability to properly roll things out. Frankly no security patch requires instant roll out if you've got proper security in place. The exception would be point of access security. Keep in mind that internal security will never be truely secure because your biggest threat is the users, especially an angry user. And yes, you can be ultra-restrictive and still give everyone the access they need. Local and domain security profiles, firewalls for filtering and monitoring, properly build gateways to control what information goes where and the priority level of it, etc, etc. Build extra protection around the people who need/have the power to get more access. The large price tag may come from administrators who aren't willing to put in the time to learn how to do it themselves or learn how to properly configure what is available out there. Have to go with a vender and don't have the budget immediately available? See what you can do with old recycled equipment and free software. You don't need expensive cisco routers when an old pentium classic with decent ram and a carefully pruned Linux install can give you all the power and flexability you need. Even if the policy is to impliment everything with one vendor in mind stop gap measures can be created on the fly. Say you want to test it to see if it's worth getting "better" equipment. If it's not costing them anything and it will be transparent to the users what do they care? But it will give you that peace of mind to know it's in place and doing it's job.
Also I've found that since an admin's time is cheaper then high end hardware/software, if you present a reasonable balance sheet showing how you can reduce the costs it gets you into a better "political" position to make deals. Sure, you're not going to get everything and yeah, there will always be people who will force their agenda but that isn't most people, especially if you learn how to play the game, and it's generally not all the time.
Oh, and as for monitoring not helping after the network has been hacked, sure it helps. It gives you something to work on so you can better protect your systems for next time. But how many times has your network been hacked? It also helps you to identify the problem and have policies built to protect against it. You're never going to stop everything, that is imposible so long as the computers have power running into them. But at least you'll know immediately when something DOES happen and you can be proactive in stoping it, not reactive in fixing it.
How does this NOT prove my point. I said any nurse worth their salt. Obviously that individual was not up to par. I know nurses, good nurses. I happen to have a few in my immediate family and none of them would allow someone to be perminately hurt because of a computer.
You obviously are not a sysadmin... Admins do what the PHBs tell them to do. Butt stupid idea or not, when the boss tells you to do X, you do X or find a new job.
Actually, I am a sysadmin and have been for a number of years. And yeah, you do what the PTB tell you to but you do not do things that are going to get people killed because YOU can be lieble, as can the PTB. What is important is to develop a good relationship with the PTB and then you can properly explain to them WHY you have certain procedures.
Firewalls do very little to stop the clueless morons behind the firewall from doing ever more inventively stupid things.
Gee, really? How about setting up your firewalls properly to monitor your internal network as well as your external network? How about doing Outbound filtering as well as Inbound filtering? How about developing proper policies and network infrastructure so should something fall through your security net it effects the least amount of users?
Pshaw, what a pant load. Here's a more rational look at this.
1: Chances are, your life won't be at stake. Any doctor or nurse worth their salt should be able to keep you alive without a computer. It's not like it's sitting in the room beside you, monitoring you. At least, not one running Microsoft
2: Any System Administrator worth his/her salt never, ever, ever puts a patch on a critical system without first testing, testing, testing on another system.
3: Also, any System Administrator with half a brain puts some type of firewall in place between the world and critical systems.
If the above three conditions are not true then the failure has occured in more important places then Microsoft or the Software Provider.
And BTW, Linux is not the solution here. Sure the vendor might be able to put together a fix faster with open source but there would still be some lag time; assuming the software vendor chose to make a fix at all and not take the same attitude they are taking with Microsoft.
Did you think that post was funny? You're a sick fuck.
/sarcasm
What imperfections exist in the Ten Commandments?
Who are you or anyone else to choose which set of answers is the correct answer? What if you had been removed because you made a wrong choice at some point? Don't you learn more from your mistakes then from you victories?
You assume that humans are generally able to make the correct judgement when it comes to what is right and what is wrong. History has definitely shown that to be incorrect. Besides, determining what is right and wrong and choosing to do what is right or wrong are two completely different concepts
Maybe it's just me but I think they are being a little fool hearty. The next time they run will be for the money? Last time I checked they had a pretty good lead on the other teams. And their primary full scale run didn't go perfectly, good but not perfect. Why run the risk of killing 3 people when you've got such a lead? Why not run a couple more tests to the target altitude with the craft to be sure it's not going to fail? One test just seems reckless to me, especially considering what happened.
...as is a good spell checker.
I once had an asses debris problem but being on earth, gravity helped keep it discrete. I guess in space the lack of gravity makes it more of a problem. No one wants to share a space elevator with a "happy crapper."
...is that it tends to underestimate to power of the stupid. Someone with either disable the system and still loose their leg, or in trying to demonstrate it they will, say, drop it on their leg, which give the speed of the blade and momentum it gains accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 would probably be more then enough to sever an artery or at least cause a lawsuit.
If this is geared towards women then why the hell have a man in the car? To show that men are inferior and hence need this technology too? Why not show a smart, sexy business women who doesn't have the time to screw around with something as trivial as parallel parking and is happy letting the car do it for her? After all, if it's sex appeal they are going after, lots of studies have shown that both genders generally fine the female form more attractive then the male.
It was probably modded flamebait because the post suggests, however innocently, that women are the problem. Which is ironic because I would imagine that men cause more traffic problems, considering the lower rates that women typically pay. Especially teenaged males.
Actually, the first poster has a valid point. What the hell it the point of this story? It's neither interesting or important. So they made a smell that they *think* is the same as a T-Rex. They don't have any point of reference, for all we know the T-Rex's mouth could have smelt like a dozen roses, or it could have smelt like ass.
...worthless application of technology. Will it help the surfers style? Will it calculate the odds of the next wave being the big one? Or will it just give a big boost to nude webcam surfing?
A better application of technology would have been to put a micronized mp3 playing into the board so you could have your own sound track playing while barreling down a wave.