It's a troll because it isn't backed up. If the poster had specified which tools didn't work, it would either be marked as informative or replies could correct it. Since their are BSD and GNU tools that are known to work in Darwin/OSX, one must provide proof of the contrary or accept a Troll moderation.
Um, how is this different from other large-ticket items, like your car? They decide what brand of radio, what type of transmission, what kind of tires are sold with each model. You're free to replace any of them you want when you've bought the car.
I think you're overgeneralizing from Microsoft and their vendors. With a Mac, yeah it comes w/ iTunes and Sherlock and whatnot. But you can use other programs without any negative consequences. Many people use other programs for a lot of things. Heck, you could set up to log directly into XWindows if you want and use no Apple software (other than their changes to work on the hardware, natch).
Now, Apple computers may not be easily configurable at purchase time as far as hardware goes, but they use industry standards and most pieces you'd want to replace you can. But all of their software packages are just that - software packages.
I have no idea what you mean by 'ad delivery units'. My computer is a tool that actually lets me get things done.
Umm.... the G5's that were being built for normal use had what VT needed. To order specially built G5's would have pushed back delivery while either special ones were built or the supposedly superfluous parts were removed from G5's rolling off the normal assembly line; either option would have also increased costs and reduce eventual value.
Even if the new XServes weren't ready for another year, it's obvious that eventually these computers would be broken up and replaced. If they are full-functioning G5's even if they couldn't be traded in they have an instant computer lab. Your crippled ones would have been useless.
(Of course, I'm also ignoring the details like whether the Airport, USB or Firewire are on the motherboard and idiotic to consider removing.)
But wait - if you use Linux in your dinosaur park, don't you get a fully 3-D interactive environment? What release is that coming out in? Or is that part of SCO's property?
Sounds like a new take on the old chestnut; I'm certain someone will make it fit - have a deadline and whatnot.
Heaven is a place where:
-- The lovers are Italian
-- The cooks are French
-- The mechanics are German
-- The police are English
-- The government is run by the Swiss
Hell is a place where:
-- The lovers are Swiss
-- The cooks are English
-- The mechanics are French
-- The police are German
-- The government is run by the Italians
If you can put it back together and remove all traces of the fact that you opened it you should be okay. As a company, Apple would probably turn a blind I to the fact that you tried to fix it rather than risk another black eye for looking petty. However, whomever receives the unit (especially if you go through a local shop) may be stuck in their 'rut' and give you a hard time.
Most likely if it doesn't look like you took it apart you won't have any problems. With free replacements there's no real reason to deny one to you, unless you turn it over to a power-hungry asshole.
If you can't get it back together, don't have everything, whatever, then you're probably best off calling a Customer Representative and pleading your case. I'd suggest that if the first person you get isn't very helpful, take a deep breath, wait 15 minutes, and call again. People in Customer Service are, after all, people and while it is to Apple's advantage to try to help you they may not see it that way. Of course, you may not be able to get anywhere since they are replacing motherboards and not whole units, and your only recourse will be to join the Class Action if it goes forward - though that will likely be thrown out since there is already a replacement program in place.
Really? Personally, if FM were worth listening to I wouldn't have needed the iPod - my car has a radio, and that's where I use the iPod the most. Sometimes I say to myself 'Bah - it's just out and back' so I leave it and the whole drive I'm pushing station buttons trying to find something to listen to.
Don't forget kids, GTA killed your wife, shot your dog, repossessed your house, shattered your septic tank, stole $2 billion from Metallica, stole your girlfriend, and is the single cause of all the evils in society.
Get a steel guitar and a fiddle and throw in something about crashing your pickup truck and I think we've found the next Country Western Hit.
You make it sound like it's never happened before. In World War II American's were encouraged to grow hemp for the war effort. In the 50's, Dupont saw easily grown hemp as competition. However, he knew better then attack it directly, so his friend William Hearst started a campaign against marijuana, and had hemp criminalized since it was 'hard' to tell them apart.
This, obviously, is a summary, but the point remains - this has happened before. The only difference is Hearst had a stranglehold on the media industry and therefore public opinion, and all kinds of crazy views are available on the internet.
No, more like lousy communication. We just kept putting up too many walls.
Too.... many... choices...
-We tried writing on the wall, but couldn't see what each other wrote.
-Another brick fell off and gave me brain damage.
-I wanted a dog, but she wanted sheep.
-We seemed to be making progress, but then I found out she wanted to cut me until little pieces.
I never said any of them were great though. If you have a place to search *COUGH* you should hear a Pittsburgh WDVE Paulsen and Krenn bit called something like 'Stanley P. Kerchowski & Roger Waters'. To summarize, Roger and Stanley pick up Syd Barret on their way to Hooters where there waitress is Umma Gumma, and it just goes from there.
Why is it that everyone rips up Microsoft for being a monopoly, yet in the same breath praises Apple?
Because there are monopolies, and there are Monopolies. Apple has no more of a monopoly on Apple computers than Ford has on Ford automobiles or Nike has on Nike footwear. By definition, every company is a monopoly of its brand.
A company becomes a Monopoly with negative connotations when there are few viable alternatives and they use financial/political pressure against any for attempting to circumvent them. For example, when Microsoft put pressure on Intel to stop multimedia chip designs, presumably from fears that alternative OS's would use them to catch up to Windows capabilities. Or when they forced computer makers to pay per-pc licenses whether or not the pc's shipped with Windows.
In summary: simply being a monopoly isn't bad; it's using a monopoly in one area to affect another that gives a company a bad reputation.
As for your other comment, that's really a non-sequitur, isn't it? To you find it hard to understand why people buy BMW's or Mercedes? After all, they could have just bought a Hyundai. Or going to a tailor when there's a Walmart down the street. A company has the right to charge what they want for their products, and in a free market consumers will decide if they're worth the price. (Though if you're talking overpriced software and complaining about Apple, you definitely haven't been involved in licensing that much Windows software.)
Here's a correction to the " isn't iTunes (win or mac) ALL ABOUT AAC?":
iTunes on both Windows and Mac organizes sound files in any format that Quicktime handles, including MP3, AAC, AIFF, WAV, Apple Sound files, and probably a dozen others I can't think of. It can also convert between WAV/MP3/AAC/AIFF, at different rates, and import any of those 4.
The iTunes Music Store only distributes in AAC to include the Fairplay wrapper. As has been commented upon many times, it is fairly simple to remove this protection if really desired, but enough of a hassle that the person doing so at least thinks about it.
You kind of lumped them together, and I just wanted to make the point that a person can use iTunes on Windows without the music store or any AAC files, and it would even work with other MP3 players. It just won't work with WMA.
it'll take a lot more than even a massively superior product to dethrone the iPod.
If there's one thing Apple should have learned over the years, it's that extensive marketing will overcome virtually any technologically superior product. It'd be nice to see them on the winning side of this arrangement for a change.
There are two reasons to consider Apple's Airport stations - a modem for internet connections (sounds crazy, but not everyone has broadband yet), and a USB port for simple printer sharing.
I don't think "iLife" was every "free". Sure it came with new computers, but that was it. So it's free like MS Office in that regard.
Would it be nice if we got updates for the portions we already have? Of course, and there probably will be some (e.g. iTunes) which only have slight feature mods. But the ones that came with my Powerbook perform exactly like they said they would, so there's not really much to complain about there.
Though I would take the other tack about the iPods - bumping up the low end from 10 to 15GB makes the 20GB overpriced, especially considering it was just bumped from 15GB in late September. That's more irritating, in my opinion.
Now that I think about it, having to register before checking a number would take care of it. People will complain, I'm sure, but iTunes Music Store is essentially a web connection - it would probably be semi-trivial to write something to flood it with the 37 million combinations in a script. Having to log in first would at least help them track who it was if someone did it, as I'm guessing they would check the address/credit card first for legitimacy.
Caveat 1: Obviously fraudulent credit info is possible, but if you're doing that you're not paying anyway so why bother trying to get free songs?
Caveat 2: I'm guessing that they check everything as I haven't signed up yet (afraid I'd blow $100 in 15 minutes). I will soon though, since I'm already a Pepsi drinker. I'll probably switch to 6-packs of 1 liters; not much more money than 2 liters but 3 times the caps!
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It's a troll because it isn't backed up. If the poster had specified which tools didn't work, it would either be marked as informative or replies could correct it. Since their are BSD and GNU tools that are known to work in Darwin/OSX, one must provide proof of the contrary or accept a Troll moderation.
The Panther edition is out in June? Shouldn't we have OS X Cougar/Lynx/Leopard/Tiger by then, or at least soon after?
You mean this one?
Um, how is this different from other large-ticket items, like your car? They decide what brand of radio, what type of transmission, what kind of tires are sold with each model. You're free to replace any of them you want when you've bought the car.
I think you're overgeneralizing from Microsoft and their vendors. With a Mac, yeah it comes w/ iTunes and Sherlock and whatnot. But you can use other programs without any negative consequences. Many people use other programs for a lot of things. Heck, you could set up to log directly into XWindows if you want and use no Apple software (other than their changes to work on the hardware, natch).
Now, Apple computers may not be easily configurable at purchase time as far as hardware goes, but they use industry standards and most pieces you'd want to replace you can. But all of their software packages are just that - software packages.
I have no idea what you mean by 'ad delivery units'. My computer is a tool that actually lets me get things done.
Umm.... the G5's that were being built for normal use had what VT needed. To order specially built G5's would have pushed back delivery while either special ones were built or the supposedly superfluous parts were removed from G5's rolling off the normal assembly line; either option would have also increased costs and reduce eventual value.
Even if the new XServes weren't ready for another year, it's obvious that eventually these computers would be broken up and replaced. If they are full-functioning G5's even if they couldn't be traded in they have an instant computer lab. Your crippled ones would have been useless.
(Of course, I'm also ignoring the details like whether the Airport, USB or Firewire are on the motherboard and idiotic to consider removing.)
If something is 'virtually impossible', let's just say that it is 'possible'
Well, yeah; if you have a hot cup of tea around, and not just a cup of something almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.
Wait - it DOES charge when daisy chained? What's the problem?
But wait - if you use Linux in your dinosaur park, don't you get a fully 3-D interactive environment? What release is that coming out in? Or is that part of SCO's property?
They'll probably change him from Ford Prefect to Ford Taurus, or even Ford F-150.
Sounds like a new take on the old chestnut; I'm certain someone will make it fit - have a deadline and whatnot.
Heaven is a place where:
-- The lovers are Italian
-- The cooks are French
-- The mechanics are German
-- The police are English
-- The government is run by the Swiss
Hell is a place where:
-- The lovers are Swiss
-- The cooks are English
-- The mechanics are French
-- The police are German
-- The government is run by the Italians
If you can put it back together and remove all traces of the fact that you opened it you should be okay. As a company, Apple would probably turn a blind I to the fact that you tried to fix it rather than risk another black eye for looking petty. However, whomever receives the unit (especially if you go through a local shop) may be stuck in their 'rut' and give you a hard time.
Most likely if it doesn't look like you took it apart you won't have any problems. With free replacements there's no real reason to deny one to you, unless you turn it over to a power-hungry asshole.
If you can't get it back together, don't have everything, whatever, then you're probably best off calling a Customer Representative and pleading your case. I'd suggest that if the first person you get isn't very helpful, take a deep breath, wait 15 minutes, and call again. People in Customer Service are, after all, people and while it is to Apple's advantage to try to help you they may not see it that way. Of course, you may not be able to get anywhere since they are replacing motherboards and not whole units, and your only recourse will be to join the Class Action if it goes forward - though that will likely be thrown out since there is already a replacement program in place.
Really? Personally, if FM were worth listening to I wouldn't have needed the iPod - my car has a radio, and that's where I use the iPod the most. Sometimes I say to myself 'Bah - it's just out and back' so I leave it and the whole drive I'm pushing station buttons trying to find something to listen to.
Don't forget kids, GTA killed your wife, shot your dog, repossessed your house, shattered your septic tank, stole $2 billion from Metallica, stole your girlfriend, and is the single cause of all the evils in society.
Get a steel guitar and a fiddle and throw in something about crashing your pickup truck and I think we've found the next Country Western Hit.
You make it sound like it's never happened before. In World War II American's were encouraged to grow hemp for the war effort. In the 50's, Dupont saw easily grown hemp as competition. However, he knew better then attack it directly, so his friend William Hearst started a campaign against marijuana, and had hemp criminalized since it was 'hard' to tell them apart.
This, obviously, is a summary, but the point remains - this has happened before. The only difference is Hearst had a stranglehold on the media industry and therefore public opinion, and all kinds of crazy views are available on the internet.
It's probably just me, but does that picture of McBride look like X Files' Krycek to anyone else?
With that new worm going around they may not get your email, so why don't you fax them?
No, more like lousy communication. We just kept putting up too many walls.
Too.... many... choices...
-We tried writing on the wall, but couldn't see what each other wrote.
-Another brick fell off and gave me brain damage.
-I wanted a dog, but she wanted sheep.
-We seemed to be making progress, but then I found out she wanted to cut me until little pieces.
I never said any of them were great though. If you have a place to search *COUGH* you should hear a Pittsburgh WDVE Paulsen and Krenn bit called something like 'Stanley P. Kerchowski & Roger Waters'. To summarize, Roger and Stanley pick up Syd Barret on their way to Hooters where there waitress is Umma Gumma, and it just goes from there.
Irreconcilable differences and all that.
Really? Some flying pigs told me it was a momentarily lapse of reason.
[WHACK] Ow! What was that for?
Why is it that everyone rips up Microsoft for being a monopoly, yet in the same breath praises Apple?
Because there are monopolies, and there are Monopolies. Apple has no more of a monopoly on Apple computers than Ford has on Ford automobiles or Nike has on Nike footwear. By definition, every company is a monopoly of its brand.
A company becomes a Monopoly with negative connotations when there are few viable alternatives and they use financial/political pressure against any for attempting to circumvent them. For example, when Microsoft put pressure on Intel to stop multimedia chip designs, presumably from fears that alternative OS's would use them to catch up to Windows capabilities. Or when they forced computer makers to pay per-pc licenses whether or not the pc's shipped with Windows.
In summary: simply being a monopoly isn't bad; it's using a monopoly in one area to affect another that gives a company a bad reputation.
As for your other comment, that's really a non-sequitur, isn't it? To you find it hard to understand why people buy BMW's or Mercedes? After all, they could have just bought a Hyundai. Or going to a tailor when there's a Walmart down the street. A company has the right to charge what they want for their products, and in a free market consumers will decide if they're worth the price. (Though if you're talking overpriced software and complaining about Apple, you definitely haven't been involved in licensing that much Windows software.)
Here's a correction to the " isn't iTunes (win or mac) ALL ABOUT AAC?":
iTunes on both Windows and Mac organizes sound files in any format that Quicktime handles, including MP3, AAC, AIFF, WAV, Apple Sound files, and probably a dozen others I can't think of. It can also convert between WAV/MP3/AAC/AIFF, at different rates, and import any of those 4.
The iTunes Music Store only distributes in AAC to include the Fairplay wrapper. As has been commented upon many times, it is fairly simple to remove this protection if really desired, but enough of a hassle that the person doing so at least thinks about it.
You kind of lumped them together, and I just wanted to make the point that a person can use iTunes on Windows without the music store or any AAC files, and it would even work with other MP3 players. It just won't work with WMA.
it'll take a lot more than even a massively superior product to dethrone the iPod.
If there's one thing Apple should have learned over the years, it's that extensive marketing will overcome virtually any technologically superior product. It'd be nice to see them on the winning side of this arrangement for a change.
There are two reasons to consider Apple's Airport stations - a modem for internet connections (sounds crazy, but not everyone has broadband yet), and a USB port for simple printer sharing.
I took a bit out of a rainbow-colored apple and ended up in a wormhole to my life in the 70's...
I don't think "iLife" was every "free". Sure it came with new computers, but that was it. So it's free like MS Office in that regard.
Would it be nice if we got updates for the portions we already have? Of course, and there probably will be some (e.g. iTunes) which only have slight feature mods. But the ones that came with my Powerbook perform exactly like they said they would, so there's not really much to complain about there.
Though I would take the other tack about the iPods - bumping up the low end from 10 to 15GB makes the 20GB overpriced, especially considering it was just bumped from 15GB in late September. That's more irritating, in my opinion.
Now that I think about it, having to register before checking a number would take care of it. People will complain, I'm sure, but iTunes Music Store is essentially a web connection - it would probably be semi-trivial to write something to flood it with the 37 million combinations in a script. Having to log in first would at least help them track who it was if someone did it, as I'm guessing they would check the address/credit card first for legitimacy.
Caveat 1: Obviously fraudulent credit info is possible, but if you're doing that you're not paying anyway so why bother trying to get free songs?
Caveat 2: I'm guessing that they check everything as I haven't signed up yet (afraid I'd blow $100 in 15 minutes). I will soon though, since I'm already a Pepsi drinker. I'll probably switch to 6-packs of 1 liters; not much more money than 2 liters but 3 times the caps!