It works by initially by "greylisting" e-mail from unlisted mail servers by sending a "451 4.7.1 Please try again later". If the server resends the e-mail within 4 hours, but minimum 30 min, the server is whitelisted. These timings can be configured, of course.
For now, this works very well for me, since few virii bothers to resend an e-mail, and the same goes for many spammers.
When I run top, it sure is nice to every now and then see 2 processors at almost 100% utilization, yet also show 50% idle.
It shows that you have capacity over for starting other processes. It also shows that your system is slower that it could be. Some food for thought relating to the uses of hyperthreading.
I've seen far too many applications in both the open source and commerical world where it's clear to me that they developer took the option that was easier to code rather than the one that would have followed the standard UI conventions.
All too true. Equally true is that they believe that UI == GUI.
In Open Source, far too often developers are ending up coding for other developers rather than users. Only the for-profit concerns like Lindows and Apple appear to be making advancements in helping clueless users use operating systems.
There is alot of software that with a user interface (graphical or not) that is totally gibberish. With such software, anyone is clueless as to what the software actually does, including the author.
It's something the other OSS projects need to pay more attention to if they want Linux on the desktop. Server opperators are more willing to drop to the command line than newbies.
Why do you talk about Linux on the desktop? KDE and GNOME runs just fine on *BSD, thank you, and looks quite nice. And by the way, I don't install X on my serves anyway, so SSH I use.
Water cooled mainframes were fairly common 20 years ago.
They where also quite expensive. Even today, a good water based cooling for your CPU is costly. In any case far more costly (and cumbersome) than most CPU coolers.
In my expirience with advocating GNU/linux there is enough Linux hype going around to convince some-one to take a look, and the KDE/Gnome desktops are in themselves easy on the eyes. The problem is to convinvce someone to work at learning the new system.
GNU/Linux is diffrent then windows!
Of course GNU/Linux is different than Windows. It contains no graphics and no desktop: just a console to enter commands and a few basic programs/utilities.
I can happily inform you that KDE 3.2.1 runs just fine on OpenBSD, and feels/looks pretty much the same as on Linux. It's what I'm using typing this post.
A KDE user would not see much difference between KDE on *BSD and GNU/XFree86/QT/KDE/Linux, nor should he.
Time that some GNU/Linux proselytes give credit to other projects than GNU as well.
And of course, you read the licenses as pat of the installation?
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Actually, Pin Head is one of the main characters in Hellraiser. You may think that the that is proper comparision, but anyway, PHB = Pointy Haired Boss. "
Homology, hows it going? uh, YA, say did you get the memo on the new coversheets for the TPS Reports
As soon as I get my pins arranged properly, I'll tell you in person.
It's their code - don't like the license? Don't use it. Write your own and put it out under the BSD license. Besides, the fact that you have to download "several large files" to install an application is hardly unusual.
Erh, and where do you think I could get the relevant documents? Oh my! The documentation has has another obnoxious license that is quite restrictive, as I noted during download. From the
Sun Java license issues:
Sun has moved to a new license the Sun Community License, like the GPL it is a viral license, but making all it touches subject to Sun licensing fee. The SCSL even goes so far as to define any implementation of a Sun specification as a "Modified Work". Basically, this means that if you implement any part of the new 1.2 API or Jini API, even from scratch, Sun will "own" your implementation and you will have to pay them for the right to use it
The quote, by the way, was from two developers of Apache httpd, and at of writing they where refering to Java 1.2 and Tomcat 4.0. "Old", but still pretty much relevant. I agree, alot of Java software on Apache is great. But take one example of "Open source" : JBoss. Can't even say that installation instruction sucks, because it does not have any. And one of the lead developers of JBoss is also quite involved in Tomcat.
As you can guess, I've got a couple of bad days with Java on BSD and Windows.
My PHB says it's too hard to install printers (CUPS)
Ever tried installing Java and Java programs? Ever tried to compile Java 1.3.1 (Native threads) on OpenBSD where you have to downloading several big files files from Sun after agreeing to Sun's obnoxious lisences? Java, the platform where everything is opaque? Where lack of relevant informations is the norm, and not the exception?
To vent some frustration, I've got a quote from the bok "Apache: The Definite Guide" (page 384):
In the authors' expericence, installing anything to do with Java is a very tiresome process, and this was no exception. The assumption seems to be that Java is so facinating that proper explanations are unnecessary -- devotees will immerse themselves in the holy stream and all will become clear after many days beneath the surface. This is probably because explanations are expensive and large commercial interests are involved. It contrast strongly with the Apache site or the Perl CPAN network...
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i've heard either Pin Head Boss or Pointy Hair'd Boss..
Actually, Pin Head is one of the main characters in Hellraiser. You may think that the that is proper comparision, but anyway, PHB = Pointy Haired Boss.
Major package upgrades in SuSE is a royal pain : too many things quite simply break down. SuSE got way too many packages to maintain, and they lack the resources to keep them upto date (just inspect the low volume SuSE security mailing list).
Since you are a Gentoo user, the *BSD familiy of ports should appeal to you. Most of the ports are available pre-compiled packages as well, in case you don't have time for a "sudo nice make install" of KDE....
Most likely, the Java support is better on SuSE than on Gentoo since SuSE is a Source Partner of Sun.
And I'll say it untill something else replaces the fact that SuSE is the best all around distribution. From linux newbies looking to switch from windows for the very first time to system administrators needing to drop in a box here or there that they can setup and never think about again. Moreover, the so-called minimal install is not minimal when it insists on installing X and qt, when it should not.
And if they need to think about it again they can remote administer it through YAST or SuSE's desktop sharing.
Since I bought the last three SuSE Professional, it's fairly clear that I think it's a good distribution. The written documentation that is part of the package is very useful, and the Pro version contains two books (User Guide and Administration Guide) of about 1000 pages in total.
YAST is very nice, and one useful aspect is that it has a curses based counterpart for administration thorough SSH. However, I think that SuSE Pro is better as a desktop than server. You see, the configuration tools does not always work (say, Apache2 configuration is broken in SuSE 9.0). That would be OK, if not the entire configuration system with scripts and all is so opaque and hard to grok.
So, eventually I quite simply migrated over to OpenBSD. Much easier to administrate and understand what is actually going on.
SuSE Pro : desktop very good. As as server : not quite up to it, unless you want to run Java (SuSE is now a Source Partner with Sun)
It seems particularly stupid to use a commercial distribution if your life is Thunderbird, Firebird, IM and XChat. Practically ANY distro updated in the last 6 months is a suitable candidate for a new install if that's all you need.
FreeBSD is a nice alternative, and KDE/Gnome has the original look:-) My workstation and laptop runs OpenBSD using KDE and XFCE4, respectively. I've bought the three latest SuSE Pro (yes, I actually paid for them), but OpenBSD suited me better.
I still want a PPC ATX board. Pegasos was supposed to deliver, but their boards are still so expensive.:-(
Supposed to deliver? OpenBSD people thought that as well, and got the OS running on it. Now OpenBSD consider Pegasos a scam operation and has pulled the support for Pegasos from CVS :
Nope, I skimmed it since this is Slashdot after all:D
Putting 12 older PC in the cubicle and have same level of noise could mean that either you put some work into making them quiet, or it's quite noisy already:D
I wonder how a "little" p2 can filter 40MB/s of packets. when it seems like the same p2 will bog down in other stuff (im not talking about a gui)
can you explain this?
The grandparent wrote 40Mb/s, like in 40 mega bit, and a PII can handle this. However, you should have a good NIC and not one of those pisspor Realtek that offloads the work to the CPU.
But it does not work with a really important component of my hardware inventory: USB wifi adapters. Once it does, I'll put it all on it.
I'm using an USB Wireless Netgear MA-111 (using a Prism 3 chipset) on OpenBSD -current, and it works quite well. No support for HostAP for USB Wireless yet.
That's one CD, folks. Uno. Eins. Distros like Cobind, Knoppix, etc. have as a design constraint that they must be able to install (or run) a functioning system from a single CD, rather than RH's 3, or SuSE's you-might-as-well-just-go-with-the-DVD ensemble. The idea here is to show that you can get a fronking lot of software on just one CD, when it's written right.
The OpenBSD installation CD for i386 is just that, one CD that includes KDE and other desktop applications as well.
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Compared to Ashcroft, Atila the Hun appears to be a flaming leftist liberal.
It works by initially by "greylisting" e-mail from unlisted mail servers by sending a "451 4.7.1 Please try again later". If the server resends the e-mail within 4 hours, but minimum 30 min, the server is whitelisted. These timings can be configured, of course.
For now, this works very well for me, since few virii bothers to resend an e-mail, and the same goes for many spammers.
It shows that you have capacity over for starting other processes. It also shows that your system is slower that it could be. Some food for thought relating to the uses of hyperthreading.
Indeed! I've seen to many GUI that is very prety, but useless.
All too true. Equally true is that they believe that UI == GUI.
In Open Source, far too often developers are ending up coding for other developers rather than users. Only the for-profit concerns like Lindows and Apple appear to be making advancements in helping clueless users use operating systems.
There is alot of software that with a user interface (graphical or not) that is totally gibberish. With such software, anyone is clueless as to what the software actually does, including the author.
It's something the other OSS projects need to pay more attention to if they want Linux on the desktop. Server opperators are more willing to drop to the command line than newbies.
Why do you talk about Linux on the desktop? KDE and GNOME runs just fine on *BSD, thank you, and looks quite nice. And by the way, I don't install X on my serves anyway, so SSH I use.
They where also quite expensive. Even today, a good water based cooling for your CPU is costly. In any case far more costly (and cumbersome) than most CPU coolers.
Of course GNU/Linux is different than Windows. It contains no graphics and no desktop: just a console to enter commands and a few basic programs/utilities.
I can happily inform you that KDE 3.2.1 runs just fine on OpenBSD, and feels/looks pretty much the same as on Linux. It's what I'm using typing this post.
A KDE user would not see much difference between KDE on *BSD and GNU/XFree86/QT/KDE/Linux, nor should he.
Time that some GNU/Linux proselytes give credit to other projects than GNU as well.
Windows Update, of course.
And of course, you read the licenses as pat of the installation?
Erh, and where do you think I could get the relevant documents? Oh my! The documentation has has another obnoxious license that is quite restrictive, as I noted during download. From the Sun Java license issues:
The quote, by the way, was from two developers of Apache httpd, and at of writing they where refering to Java 1.2 and Tomcat 4.0. "Old", but still pretty much relevant. I agree, alot of Java software on Apache is great. But take one example of "Open source" : JBoss. Can't even say that installation instruction sucks, because it does not have any. And one of the lead developers of JBoss is also quite involved in Tomcat.
As you can guess, I've got a couple of bad days with Java on BSD and Windows.
Ever tried installing Java and Java programs? Ever tried to compile Java 1.3.1 (Native threads) on OpenBSD where you have to downloading several big files files from Sun after agreeing to Sun's obnoxious lisences? Java, the platform where everything is opaque? Where lack of relevant informations is the norm, and not the exception?
To vent some frustration, I've got a quote from the bok "Apache: The Definite Guide" (page 384):
Actually, Pin Head is one of the main characters in Hellraiser. You may think that the that is proper comparision, but anyway, PHB = Pointy Haired Boss.
Go to a pub and begin to enjoy some bears. After each pint you enjoy, try to pronounce SuSE. I'm sure you'll get the hang of it before morning.
Since you are a Gentoo user, the *BSD familiy of ports should appeal to you. Most of the ports are available pre-compiled packages as well, in case you don't have time for a "sudo nice make install" of KDE....
Most likely, the Java support is better on SuSE than on Gentoo since SuSE is a Source Partner of Sun.
Pretty funny that Sun quite simply takes GNOME, rewamp it, and call it the Java Desktop. Except, most of the desktop is not run in Java.
Since I bought the last three SuSE Professional, it's fairly clear that I think it's a good distribution. The written documentation that is part of the package is very useful, and the Pro version contains two books (User Guide and Administration Guide) of about 1000 pages in total.
YAST is very nice, and one useful aspect is that it has a curses based counterpart for administration thorough SSH. However, I think that SuSE Pro is better as a desktop than server. You see, the configuration tools does not always work (say, Apache2 configuration is broken in SuSE 9.0). That would be OK, if not the entire configuration system with scripts and all is so opaque and hard to grok.
So, eventually I quite simply migrated over to OpenBSD. Much easier to administrate and understand what is actually going on.
SuSE Pro : desktop very good. As as server : not quite up to it, unless you want to run Java (SuSE is now a Source Partner with Sun)
FreeBSD is a nice alternative, and KDE/Gnome has the original look :-) My workstation and laptop runs OpenBSD using KDE and XFCE4, respectively. I've bought the three latest SuSE Pro (yes, I actually paid for them), but OpenBSD suited me better.
Supposed to deliver? OpenBSD people thought that as well, and got the OS running on it. Now OpenBSD consider Pegasos a scam operation and has pulled the support for Pegasos from CVS :
R.I.P. OpenBSD/Pegasos - All the story
Putting 12 older PC in the cubicle and have same level of noise could mean that either you put some work into making them quiet, or it's quite noisy already :D
The grandparent wrote 40Mb/s, like in 40 mega bit, and a PII can handle this. However, you should have a good NIC and not one of those pisspor Realtek that offloads the work to the CPU.
I guess he don't mind a lot of noise...
I'm using an USB Wireless Netgear MA-111 (using a Prism 3 chipset) on OpenBSD -current, and it works quite well. No support for HostAP for USB Wireless yet.
FluxBox (www.fluxbox.org), based upon BlackBox, is more feature rich but still very fast. No graphical pager though ;-)
The OpenBSD installation CD for i386 is just that, one CD that includes KDE and other desktop applications as well.