I agree with you, without a lot of the fucks. I don't really need a smart toaster either. The dial-a-color method works great for me too. I don't like Microsoft, and the benefits of simple OS's like TRON are their stability, which is probably directly related to their simplicity. Any more middleware or bloatware adds points of failure, and possibly, RPC bugs, as you've so eloquently (sic) put it.
There already is an embedded OS in your microwave. Maybe it's TRON. (Maybe not) But there is something regulating the operation of your microcontrollers. You didn't think that you just magically push buttons, and the tooth fairy puts those nice little numbers up on the LED display did you? You may even have several embedded OS'ses in one microwave, depending on what's in it. Now the toaster, you may not have an OS there, but if for some reason you have a microcontroller in there, it'll have an OS as well.
The real reason this is held up in court is because they say that if you opt out then that precludes EVERYONE including charities, and politicians from calling you as well. Not to mention CNN surveys etc, so nobody is telling you that. The real reason this is held up is not because people are saying it's their right to call you, willy nilly, it's because they are saying that if politicians are allowed to, so should everyone else be.
Listen here killer, if you'd have read the article in detail, you'd have noticed that the license that he couldn't get past was only a coverall, it didn't actually have the text of all the other licenses in it. The only thing it says, and I've seen it a bunch of times myself, is that you agree to all of them. There is no way to read them, even if they are on the cd without indicating that you agree to them. If you get them off of the CD's then you have to open the shrink wrap, which according to the sticker means you agree to them. You hit the post button a little too quickly in my opinion.
The exploit was publicly available even before the first one came out. Check out astalavista for a 'tutorial' on how to do it. That was there before blaster, so this kid may be one of millions who wrote a 'similar' bug, so what's wrong with that? How many people write exploit for known bugs everyday? I don't think you can prosecute somebody beyond the shadow of a doubt when it comes to 'writing a similar' virus. Now if he was caught with the original worm source or something like that, they may have more of a case.
I think that IBM would know better, after seeing the pulic reaction to all of this, than to try and pull an SCO. I guess one never really knows though...
patches. sendmail patches come out all the time. also, if we ever have changes in the way we're stuctured, like DNS and all those other things, it'll need to go down. We also occaionally replace the hardware. Infact, one of our most recent issues was replacing the entire server with a newer model. Needless to say Exchange requires a LOT more tinkering than Sendmail.
I don't get overtime. I'm on salary. Sucks because I work on a lot of things afterhours. Like the mail servers. (We have 9 exchange servers, and 4 sendmail servers.) Can't do those things while most people are working on it. Also, I'm on the east coast, and we have west coast operations, so we can't touch anything most of the time until after 8. Really sucks.
I was just preaching about this in our last department meeting...
Our users are supposed to call the helpdesk first and get a call logged for them. In this way, it can be assigned even if their preferred service tech isn't around. Users have the annoying habit of calling techs (me and others) directly and asking for solutions to a problem. Well, I put a nice message on my Audix that reminds the users that they must call the helpdesk before I can even consider their issue. It actually tells them to 'hang up and call the helpdesk at x####.' This works nicely for me, and even if I do accidentally pick up a call like this, I tell them, "I'm sorry I can't help you until you place a helpdesk call. There is no guaruntee that I will be the one to whom the call is assigned. We have 1400 users to consider, and I can't put all of them on hold for one individual." At first, when I started doing this people thought I was rude, but now they've accepted it and I don't get user 'phone spammed' anymore. (At least not very often.) Users don't even leave me messages, they know they have to go through the 'desk.
Every now and then, we get some who think that they are the most important people in the company, and they usually try and give me a line like, "since you were the one who helped me last time, I thought I'd just call you." I always tell them no. Everytime. The helpdesk is meant to evenly distribute calls, and letting them call me directly doesn't work with the system. If they have to wait in line, that's their tough shit, there are lots of users who are just as anxious to get their issues resolved.
This sort of thing makes me feel like a pimp at times, although I know those feelings are unwarranted. My goal really is to help the users, even though they annoy the hell out of me at times.
the programs have to be aware of PAM yes, but that means they will accept ALL kinds of PAM if they are. Like AFS or any other base. Get your creds from PAM, and it doesn't matter what kind of PAM it is.
that's what I said! people just don't know what's going on these days! PAM is exactly the thing that these past few comments have been claiming that linux doesn't have.
You're right, it was only a warning shot. A for Effort, F for payload. They had 'root' on every single unpatched host out there, and all they did was spread the worm. That could have been much worse. Someone who really wanted to take out microsoft systems could have easily come up with something more destructive.
I think that SCO should think first. They are the ones pointing fingers here, is what they say not defaming someone's business(IBM, RedHat, anyone out there who ditributes linux)? And are you a troll?
I'm still waiting for it... but..what I don't understand... even if IBM were orchestrating this whole insane SCO bashing thing... SO WHAT!
IBM is allowed at least as many ridiculous publicity stunts as SCO.
isn't SCO admittedly controlling all of the PRO-SCO stuff?
Someone should tell SCO that if they are going to fight dirty then they should expect more of the same. I really don't care if IBM is paying people to say all this bad stuff about SCO, though the fact remains, they aren't.
Ordinate not ordinary. Ordinate means 'relation' just as co-ordinates are given 'in relation to one and other' Ordinateurs, or Ordinators as we might say it in english would calculate trajectories, or the ordinal values of the projectiles that the enemies were shooting at them. Computers would have 'computed' the ordinals, so the difference in the languages is as was said in the parent ($_ =~ parent->parent->post.text), in where we put the focus.
I was just about to point out the same thing, but I did not know the etymology of the word 'etymology' I wish I could give you a +1 informative for that one. Way to go.
Antivirus scanners right, they aren't always effective, but if you look at what killthiskid wrote, that method seems to be the most effective. No executable email attachments, that means.scr,.vbs (.vbe),.bat,.pif,.com,.exe etc. None of them. If people want to send you email attachments, txt and.doc are ok. We even have the scanner strip out '' tags from the html emails, and expands the links to visible URL's on the way in.
Sometimes they look funny after that, but that how you know it's working;)
Yes they do, infact most worms infect via email. Only two that I know of don't, and they both exploited the same hole in dcom. I know there are lots of other non-email worms out there, but.. if you read the rest of my post, I said email scanner AND keep up with the patches. Please read all of what I wrote before proceeding to make yourself look stupid.
If you're a company and it's going to cost you the money to clean worms, get a mail scanner. We haven't been infected with a single email worm for as long as I've been here at the company. (2 years) and we have 1400 users. I think a kink in the budget for scanmail once was a kickass investment in that we have been immune to every single worm (we actually patched everyone in time for the d-com worm as well, so we didn't get that one) If you're going to use windows, get a mail scanner, and deploy your patches via Group Policy before you hear about the exploits. And no, we don't have windows automatic updates enabled either, that's definately not the answer to anyone's problems, at least not in the corporate world. It may be good for people at home, unless they have dialup, then they're f'd, and shouldn't be trusting their computers to microsoft software. May I suggest a preventative approach: NTBUGTRAQ.com has a nice mailing list that seems to keep at least a few days ahead of the exploits. Russ Cooper has saved us more than once.
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The Microcontroller itself has an os on it. damnint. Why don't people think that small?
I agree with you, without a lot of the fucks. I don't really need a smart toaster either. The dial-a-color method works great for me too. I don't like Microsoft, and the benefits of simple OS's like TRON are their stability, which is probably directly related to their simplicity. Any more middleware or bloatware adds points of failure, and possibly, RPC bugs, as you've so eloquently (sic) put it.
There already is an embedded OS in your microwave. Maybe it's TRON. (Maybe not) But there is something regulating the operation of your microcontrollers. You didn't think that you just magically push buttons, and the tooth fairy puts those nice little numbers up on the LED display did you? You may even have several embedded OS'ses in one microwave, depending on what's in it. Now the toaster, you may not have an OS there, but if for some reason you have a microcontroller in there, it'll have an OS as well.
The real reason this is held up in court is because they say that if you opt out then that precludes EVERYONE including charities, and politicians from calling you as well. Not to mention CNN surveys etc, so nobody is telling you that. The real reason this is held up is not because people are saying it's their right to call you, willy nilly, it's because they are saying that if politicians are allowed to, so should everyone else be.
Listen here killer, if you'd have read the article in detail, you'd have noticed that the license that he couldn't get past was only a coverall, it didn't actually have the text of all the other licenses in it. The only thing it says, and I've seen it a bunch of times myself, is that you agree to all of them. There is no way to read them, even if they are on the cd without indicating that you agree to them. If you get them off of the CD's then you have to open the shrink wrap, which according to the sticker means you agree to them. You hit the post button a little too quickly in my opinion.
The exploit was publicly available even before the first one came out. Check out astalavista for a 'tutorial' on how to do it. That was there before blaster, so this kid may be one of millions who wrote a 'similar' bug, so what's wrong with that? How many people write exploit for known bugs everyday? I don't think you can prosecute somebody beyond the shadow of a doubt when it comes to 'writing a similar' virus. Now if he was caught with the original worm source or something like that, they may have more of a case.
I think that he's more irritating to us geeks, but your average person probably thinks he just another guy in a business suit.
I think that IBM would know better, after seeing the pulic reaction to all of this, than to try and pull an SCO. I guess one never really knows though...
That's about what I got out of it too. 'no concrete plans' is still a relatively shady statement.
patches. sendmail patches come out all the time. also, if we ever have changes in the way we're stuctured, like DNS and all those other things, it'll need to go down. We also occaionally replace the hardware. Infact, one of our most recent issues was replacing the entire server with a newer model. Needless to say Exchange requires a LOT more tinkering than Sendmail.
I don't get overtime. I'm on salary. Sucks because I work on a lot of things afterhours. Like the mail servers. (We have 9 exchange servers, and 4 sendmail servers.) Can't do those things while most people are working on it. Also, I'm on the east coast, and we have west coast operations, so we can't touch anything most of the time until after 8. Really sucks.
Our users are supposed to call the helpdesk first and get a call logged for them. In this way, it can be assigned even if their preferred service tech isn't around. Users have the annoying habit of calling techs (me and others) directly and asking for solutions to a problem. Well, I put a nice message on my Audix that reminds the users that they must call the helpdesk before I can even consider their issue. It actually tells them to 'hang up and call the helpdesk at x####.' This works nicely for me, and even if I do accidentally pick up a call like this, I tell them, "I'm sorry I can't help you until you place a helpdesk call. There is no guaruntee that I will be the one to whom the call is assigned. We have 1400 users to consider, and I can't put all of them on hold for one individual." At first, when I started doing this people thought I was rude, but now they've accepted it and I don't get user 'phone spammed' anymore. (At least not very often.) Users don't even leave me messages, they know they have to go through the 'desk.
Every now and then, we get some who think that they are the most important people in the company, and they usually try and give me a line like, "since you were the one who helped me last time, I thought I'd just call you." I always tell them no. Everytime. The helpdesk is meant to evenly distribute calls, and letting them call me directly doesn't work with the system. If they have to wait in line, that's their tough shit, there are lots of users who are just as anxious to get their issues resolved.
This sort of thing makes me feel like a pimp at times, although I know those feelings are unwarranted. My goal really is to help the users, even though they annoy the hell out of me at times.
the programs have to be aware of PAM yes, but that means they will accept ALL kinds of PAM if they are. Like AFS or any other base. Get your creds from PAM, and it doesn't matter what kind of PAM it is.
that's what I said! people just don't know what's going on these days! PAM is exactly the thing that these past few comments have been claiming that linux doesn't have.
I beg to differ. I use AFS (kerberos -- actually following the standards ,unlike MS) everyday. Have you ever heard of PAM?
You're right, it was only a warning shot. A for Effort, F for payload. They had 'root' on every single unpatched host out there, and all they did was spread the worm. That could have been much worse. Someone who really wanted to take out microsoft systems could have easily come up with something more destructive.
I think that SCO should think first. They are the ones pointing fingers here, is what they say not defaming someone's business(IBM, RedHat, anyone out there who ditributes linux)? And are you a troll?
IBM is allowed at least as many ridiculous publicity stunts as SCO.
isn't SCO admittedly controlling all of the PRO-SCO stuff?
Someone should tell SCO that if they are going to fight dirty then they should expect more of the same. I really don't care if IBM is paying people to say all this bad stuff about SCO, though the fact remains, they aren't.
Ordinate not ordinary. Ordinate means 'relation' just as co-ordinates are given 'in relation to one and other' Ordinateurs, or Ordinators as we might say it in english would calculate trajectories, or the ordinal values of the projectiles that the enemies were shooting at them. Computers would have 'computed' the ordinals, so the difference in the languages is as was said in the parent ($_ =~ parent->parent->post.text), in where we put the focus.
I was just about to point out the same thing, but I did not know the etymology of the word 'etymology' I wish I could give you a +1 informative for that one. Way to go.
Sorry about mucking up the thread with a correction, but I didn't want to give undue credit
Sometimes they look funny after that, but that how you know it's working;)
Yes they do, infact most worms infect via email. Only two that I know of don't, and they both exploited the same hole in dcom. I know there are lots of other non-email worms out there, but.. if you read the rest of my post, I said email scanner AND keep up with the patches. Please read all of what I wrote before proceeding to make yourself look stupid.
In this you can see a face reconstructed from a skull, all computer generated, no clay.
If you're a company and it's going to cost you the money to clean worms, get a mail scanner. We haven't been infected with a single email worm for as long as I've been here at the company. (2 years) and we have 1400 users. I think a kink in the budget for scanmail once was a kickass investment in that we have been immune to every single worm (we actually patched everyone in time for the d-com worm as well, so we didn't get that one) If you're going to use windows, get a mail scanner, and deploy your patches via Group Policy before you hear about the exploits. And no, we don't have windows automatic updates enabled either, that's definately not the answer to anyone's problems, at least not in the corporate world. It may be good for people at home, unless they have dialup, then they're f'd, and shouldn't be trusting their computers to microsoft software. May I suggest a preventative approach: NTBUGTRAQ.com has a nice mailing list that seems to keep at least a few days ahead of the exploits. Russ Cooper has saved us more than once.