For a very long time Mono didn't support VB either, and even in microsoft's world the Compiler for C# only compiles C#. there is a separate compiler for vb.net. The CLR is not a compiler, it's a runtime. In fact, C# 3.0 and vb.net 9 are ONLY compilers, with various libraries that go with them to support. Both still target the CLR v 2.0.
I wondered about that myself, actually. There is nothing that Microsoft distributes or sells that opens gzip or even tarchives for that matter. Nothing on WinInternals (formerly SysInternals) either. It's like they're saying 'here you go you open source freaks you can have this, but figure out how to open it yourself. We know you already have all the gtools installed, or just fire up your beloved mingw environment, you bunch of lazy whining traitors.' Haha, so I went a little overboard on that, but I think that still seems to be the idea they're giving.
IF I had mod points, I'd mod you up. You've got a good point here. I rememeber the article about the dude who had a tactile 'display' installed on his tongue so that he could feel the layout of the room and navigate it without hitting into anything without the use of his eyes. Also in some other experiment people were given binoculars that made the world appear to be upside down, and after a few days they were able to adjust to that as well and function normally. Both of these, and many other experiments suggest that your assertion is correct.
The CLR 2.0 source (the runtime, not just the BCL) code is up too, it's in C++, not managed code. Strangley the article and summary seem to completely miss that fact. I'm very surprised, because it's much more significant, and it can't be ascertained using the decompilers like the managed code can. THIS is probably the thing that can kill mono.
I don't either. And I'm not posting anonymously. This is bullshit, and deserves to be treated as such. If you'll pardon the metaphor, to hell with this "theory" bullshit. It's an observable phenomenon. The only 'Theory' part of it is whether or not the currently observable laws of nature also were holding true during the time that life as we can see it came about or not. It's like saying, 'Sure that gravity pulls books down to the ground NOW, but did it still do that 10,000 years ago? Until you can answer that positively then you only have a theory!!'
indeed I would have enjoyed that. I'm into the whole parser/compiler writing gig, I like the whole field. Wish I had taken that in college, but eventually it didn't matter, since I did have the fundamental background in CS, I was able to learn how to build compilers on my own from the dragon book. Just another case in point.
There are many jobs in.net and java yes. I hated Ada in school, and particularly difficult was FP. But once we got to assembler it all made sense. It was the guts of the system, and I finally saw how it all fit together. Once I saw data structures, and then had a look at how stack based code was generated from all of the other languages, I felt like I could learn any of the languages and not feel like I was using a black box. In my opinion, it's ok to learn java and C# in school after one has had a look at the internals, perhaps a primer in virtual machines. That would cover the bases of actually knowing how computing works, in addition to allowing for the preparation for job markets. One thing that's absolutely crucial to a computer science grad in the real world is being able to adapt to any language when needed, so all of this argument over which language to learn is a little off the mark. You should learn programming in general in school, and optionally focus on any language of the day for the market after you've become versed in the art in general. I realize that 'becoming versed' while in school is a little bit unrealistic as well, but if you've at least been exposed to the concepts at a lower level, it doesn't leave you scratching your head as much in practice when you can't figure out, for example, why your C# code makes a distinction between stack and heap allocated structures, and what impacts it has on performance and all that. It also means that when security holes are pointed out, or patched, you at least know what the hell is going on, and why it was a big deal to begin with.
It's a bad example, for sure, but if you built some machine to purify and bottle the air and were selling it to people who otherwise hadn't any access to it, I can see how it might be a commodity. You don't steal bottled water do you? But if I make something, like write code, or record the music, and it costs me money to do so, and I do so with the expectation of sale and copyright protection, then that means you aren't allowed to take it without the proper exchange of funds. If you don't want the product you don't have to buy it. But if you want the product, and it's for sale by someone who has a legal right to it, you've gotta pay. The same laws that protect the GPL and the licensing models the FSF endorses are in effect, and the same court and legal system interprets it, and the same executive branches enforce them. Just because they make Steel out of stuff you get out of the ground, and everyone has ground, doesn't mean steel is free.
If I'm selling something, and you take it without paying for it, however it gets into your possession, it's theft. I don't care if you like it. The law says I'm right and you're wrong. In case you haven't noticed, manufacturing is dying in post-industrial nations, so the only thing there is to sell is services and intellectual property. So if you like driving on streets, and having public infrastructure supported by tax dollars that originate in the private sector (who pays the taxes with money they make from selling services and IP) you'll have to get used to paying for shit you don't like paying for.
I'm a huge music fan, I'm just picky about what I'll put on my host as MP3's because eventually it'll be clutter:) (I played the drums for 23 years and I was in a touring rock band, and a jazz trio before that)
That's probably more people than have floppy drives. I personally don't even know what limewire looks like, but I do have bittorrent installed and have only used it for downloading linux distro ISO's. I don't know about you, but I'd rather put useful data on my hard drive than crappy media files that waste the space on my drive. I have some mp3's, about 3 gigs of it, ripped from my entire CD collection and stuff I burnt to a disc and then ripped from iTunes, but I can attest that I don't even think of looking at bittorrent sites or limewire, eMule, or whatever, when I want something new. Anyway I used to have the old school Napster before it was abolished, but that was the end of my IP stealing days...and I haven't even a single one of those media files, because that host died long ago. Just about when I decided to make a living by producing and selling some of my own IP, I stopped deciding that I should look for ways to steal other people's. It is possible you know not to steal shit just because you can.
I get this, by first making the list unique, then taking the relative position of the words in the list to the quote:
"Ford's success has startled the country almost the world financially industrially mechanically. It exhibits in higher degree than most persons would have thought possible the seemingly contradictory requirements of true efficiency which are: constant increase of quality great increase of pay to the workers repeated reduction in cost to the consumer. And with these appears as at once cause and effect an absolutely incredible enlargement of output reaching something like one hundredfold in less than ten years and an enormous profit to the manufacturer"
We'll be able to point, laugh, and say that "Microsoft can't even GIVE Vista away." I'm not a microsoft hater either, but vista is a colossal foobar. I work in an IT shop, and I've had to have it installed because I'm required to be one version ahead of deployment whenever possible, and I've hated every bleeding minute of Vista Enterprise. I even had to change settings to get it to hit our NAS shares, which are essentially samba shares on a huge redhat fronted storage device. (Incidentally XP hadn't any issues out of the box with it.)
I thought you were funny. Apparently the mods didn't yet agree. I'll point back to the fake interview with Stroustrup about C++ in which the author , though not actually Stroustrup, aptly points out with his tongue firmly in cheek that nobody 'REALLY' reuses code. That's not to say they don't reuse patterns of code or anything, but actual non-stock library code is very infrequently re-used, at least in anywhere I've worked == you may get one official 'library' or 'package' that is passed around as 'the corporate API' but I have a feeling that people actually have a lot more than that in mind when they claim to be writing 'reusable code.' Which I'd say, at the end-programmer level, isn't all that common.
I don't think the people bemoaning nuclear power are keen on doing this kind of math, and anyway, they also think that nuclear power plants blow up like nuclear bombs when they melt down or malfunction, which is of course also not true. Now... if I could only get myself to stop typing in run-on sentences...
By giving you a tracking number that identifies you as someone not to be tracked? Duh. Someone has been smoking a little too much of what comes off the tubes.
Mixed case is the convention in many respectable languages. If you don't like it, don't use it, but if you code in one of those languages and use all lowercase, don't expect that you're doing the community a favor.
This happened to me, just about 5 minutes after I read the article I finished installing my Logitech camera drivers. I made no other changes today, though I did update windows defender definitions. This is all on my 'testing out vista host' so it's not a big loss or anything.. but I was using a fully licensed MSDN copy of vista, and did NOTHING but update the drivers. Lo and behold, along comes a popup bubble at the bottom of the screen saying something like (don't remember the exact wording) Windows Failed to Activate hostname not found. or something very similar. First of all, I shouldn't have to activate... second, what host? I shit you all not, this really happened to me, just about 5 minutes after I read this and thought 'boy I hope that doesn't happen to me...' How's that for irony?
well anyway, the whole idea of having a private sector is that it is not the public sector. You don't punish the private industry for what the government does. That's ridiculous.
why punish the corporations when it's the government who's made the laws which caused this in the first place. The corporations don't deserve to shell out money just because you decided it's a fast way to action.
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Theory or not, the fact that it's still there, and we've all read about it means that you didn't! (Nor did anyone else!)
I said that years ago. Funny, we still haven't done it. Is this thing on? *tap tap*
For a very long time Mono didn't support VB either, and even in microsoft's world the Compiler for C# only compiles C#. there is a separate compiler for vb.net. The CLR is not a compiler, it's a runtime. In fact, C# 3.0 and vb.net 9 are ONLY compilers, with various libraries that go with them to support. Both still target the CLR v 2.0.
I wondered about that myself, actually. There is nothing that Microsoft distributes or sells that opens gzip or even tarchives for that matter. Nothing on WinInternals (formerly SysInternals) either. It's like they're saying 'here you go you open source freaks you can have this, but figure out how to open it yourself. We know you already have all the gtools installed, or just fire up your beloved mingw environment, you bunch of lazy whining traitors.' Haha, so I went a little overboard on that, but I think that still seems to be the idea they're giving.
IF I had mod points, I'd mod you up. You've got a good point here. I rememeber the article about the dude who had a tactile 'display' installed on his tongue so that he could feel the layout of the room and navigate it without hitting into anything without the use of his eyes. Also in some other experiment people were given binoculars that made the world appear to be upside down, and after a few days they were able to adjust to that as well and function normally. Both of these, and many other experiments suggest that your assertion is correct.
The CLR 2.0 source (the runtime, not just the BCL) code is up too, it's in C++, not managed code. Strangley the article and summary seem to completely miss that fact. I'm very surprised, because it's much more significant, and it can't be ascertained using the decompilers like the managed code can. THIS is probably the thing that can kill mono.
"Being employed considered harmful to the egos of those who are not!"
"Wealth makes poor people feel bad!"
"Food considered demoralizing to the starving."
"Being smart considered embarrassing to those who aren't."
Duh.
I don't either. And I'm not posting anonymously. This is bullshit, and deserves to be treated as such. If you'll pardon the metaphor, to hell with this "theory" bullshit. It's an observable phenomenon. The only 'Theory' part of it is whether or not the currently observable laws of nature also were holding true during the time that life as we can see it came about or not. It's like saying, 'Sure that gravity pulls books down to the ground NOW, but did it still do that 10,000 years ago? Until you can answer that positively then you only have a theory!!'
indeed I would have enjoyed that. I'm into the whole parser/compiler writing gig, I like the whole field. Wish I had taken that in college, but eventually it didn't matter, since I did have the fundamental background in CS, I was able to learn how to build compilers on my own from the dragon book. Just another case in point.
There are many jobs in .net and java yes. I hated Ada in school, and particularly difficult was FP. But once we got to assembler it all made sense. It was the guts of the system, and I finally saw how it all fit together. Once I saw data structures, and then had a look at how stack based code was generated from all of the other languages, I felt like I could learn any of the languages and not feel like I was using a black box. In my opinion, it's ok to learn java and C# in school after one has had a look at the internals, perhaps a primer in virtual machines. That would cover the bases of actually knowing how computing works, in addition to allowing for the preparation for job markets. One thing that's absolutely crucial to a computer science grad in the real world is being able to adapt to any language when needed, so all of this argument over which language to learn is a little off the mark. You should learn programming in general in school, and optionally focus on any language of the day for the market after you've become versed in the art in general. I realize that 'becoming versed' while in school is a little bit unrealistic as well, but if you've at least been exposed to the concepts at a lower level, it doesn't leave you scratching your head as much in practice when you can't figure out, for example, why your C# code makes a distinction between stack and heap allocated structures, and what impacts it has on performance and all that. It also means that when security holes are pointed out, or patched, you at least know what the hell is going on, and why it was a big deal to begin with.
no, based on salt, battery and THE SUN. you left out the part about the energy.
It's a bad example, for sure, but if you built some machine to purify and bottle the air and were selling it to people who otherwise hadn't any access to it, I can see how it might be a commodity. You don't steal bottled water do you? But if I make something, like write code, or record the music, and it costs me money to do so, and I do so with the expectation of sale and copyright protection, then that means you aren't allowed to take it without the proper exchange of funds. If you don't want the product you don't have to buy it. But if you want the product, and it's for sale by someone who has a legal right to it, you've gotta pay. The same laws that protect the GPL and the licensing models the FSF endorses are in effect, and the same court and legal system interprets it, and the same executive branches enforce them. Just because they make Steel out of stuff you get out of the ground, and everyone has ground, doesn't mean steel is free.
If I'm selling something, and you take it without paying for it, however it gets into your possession, it's theft. I don't care if you like it. The law says I'm right and you're wrong. In case you haven't noticed, manufacturing is dying in post-industrial nations, so the only thing there is to sell is services and intellectual property. So if you like driving on streets, and having public infrastructure supported by tax dollars that originate in the private sector (who pays the taxes with money they make from selling services and IP) you'll have to get used to paying for shit you don't like paying for.
I'm a huge music fan, I'm just picky about what I'll put on my host as MP3's because eventually it'll be clutter :) (I played the drums for 23 years and I was in a touring rock band, and a jazz trio before that)
That's probably more people than have floppy drives. I personally don't even know what limewire looks like, but I do have bittorrent installed and have only used it for downloading linux distro ISO's. I don't know about you, but I'd rather put useful data on my hard drive than crappy media files that waste the space on my drive. I have some mp3's, about 3 gigs of it, ripped from my entire CD collection and stuff I burnt to a disc and then ripped from iTunes, but I can attest that I don't even think of looking at bittorrent sites or limewire, eMule, or whatever, when I want something new. Anyway I used to have the old school Napster before it was abolished, but that was the end of my IP stealing days...and I haven't even a single one of those media files, because that host died long ago. Just about when I decided to make a living by producing and selling some of my own IP, I stopped deciding that I should look for ways to steal other people's. It is possible you know not to steal shit just because you can.
er.. I just noticed the zeros, perhaps I need to remove some punctuation or make the comparisons case insensitive? hmm...
I get this, by first making the list unique, then taking the relative position of the words in the list to the quote:
"Ford's success has startled the country almost the world financially industrially mechanically. It exhibits in higher degree than most persons would have thought possible the seemingly contradictory requirements of true efficiency which are: constant increase of quality great increase of pay to the workers repeated reduction in cost to the consumer. And with these appears as at once cause and effect an absolutely incredible enlargement of output reaching something like one hundredfold in less than ten years and an enormous profit to the manufacturer"
1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 0, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 22, 23, 24, 27, 28, 29, 31, 35, 38, 44, 48, 0, 52, 42, 45, 37, 32, 0, 19
Anyone?
We'll be able to point, laugh, and say that "Microsoft can't even GIVE Vista away." I'm not a microsoft hater either, but vista is a colossal foobar. I work in an IT shop, and I've had to have it installed because I'm required to be one version ahead of deployment whenever possible, and I've hated every bleeding minute of Vista Enterprise. I even had to change settings to get it to hit our NAS shares, which are essentially samba shares on a huge redhat fronted storage device. (Incidentally XP hadn't any issues out of the box with it.)
I thought you were funny. Apparently the mods didn't yet agree. I'll point back to the fake interview with Stroustrup about C++ in which the author , though not actually Stroustrup, aptly points out with his tongue firmly in cheek that nobody 'REALLY' reuses code. That's not to say they don't reuse patterns of code or anything, but actual non-stock library code is very infrequently re-used, at least in anywhere I've worked == you may get one official 'library' or 'package' that is passed around as 'the corporate API' but I have a feeling that people actually have a lot more than that in mind when they claim to be writing 'reusable code.' Which I'd say, at the end-programmer level, isn't all that common.
I don't think the people bemoaning nuclear power are keen on doing this kind of math, and anyway, they also think that nuclear power plants blow up like nuclear bombs when they melt down or malfunction, which is of course also not true. Now... if I could only get myself to stop typing in run-on sentences...
By giving you a tracking number that identifies you as someone not to be tracked? Duh. Someone has been smoking a little too much of what comes off the tubes.
Mixed case is the convention in many respectable languages. If you don't like it, don't use it, but if you code in one of those languages and use all lowercase, don't expect that you're doing the community a favor.
This happened to me, just about 5 minutes after I read the article I finished installing my Logitech camera drivers. I made no other changes today, though I did update windows defender definitions. This is all on my 'testing out vista host' so it's not a big loss or anything.. but I was using a fully licensed MSDN copy of vista, and did NOTHING but update the drivers. Lo and behold, along comes a popup bubble at the bottom of the screen saying something like (don't remember the exact wording) Windows Failed to Activate hostname not found. or something very similar. First of all, I shouldn't have to activate... second, what host? I shit you all not, this really happened to me, just about 5 minutes after I read this and thought 'boy I hope that doesn't happen to me...' How's that for irony?
well anyway, the whole idea of having a private sector is that it is not the public sector. You don't punish the private industry for what the government does. That's ridiculous.
why punish the corporations when it's the government who's made the laws which caused this in the first place. The corporations don't deserve to shell out money just because you decided it's a fast way to action.