It depends on the level and state/fed?
A CIO? All the time. Twice on Thursday. There's a revolving door at that level. Usually it's a forced resignation.
Below that starts to get murky. A lot of times at the lower levels people are just moved around to become dead weight. In a technical career field the worker bee's could be in either scenario and a lot depends on the government entity itself.
And of course, it's a more then 50% chance the real handling of this was contracted out (at least in part).
All of the above would be my guess in this case. Some would be fired. Some moved. Some contracts not renewed. And potentially even come recouping of monies. I've never been any place where the loss of emails was even close to being OK.
I've done DOD and federal government consulting in IT. I'm not wrong. They are not working with tiny budgets at the WH. They can and do afford good IT help. Which is why this problem reeks as should be obvious to anyone.
I have first hand experience with government. Screw ups happen both in private sector and gov. That isn't to say you make excuses for them. You giving a "shit happens" on not having backups is absurd. Sure it does happen. And people are fired and a system of checks and balances exist to catch it when it does.
Are you serious? Loosing emails due to a rather common upgrade from notes to exchange? WTF? What mom and pop store do you work for that you would even write such rubbish? You know how many people have dumped notes for exchange and haven't lost a single email? And at the WH no less?
It's not perfectly normal. It's not something that should happen on any enterprise. There are tools to do exactly that and backups for everything for recovery in case of a problem.
This is not something that sould happen, not for government, not for private sector. And usually it's the exec's that would be firing people because they lost email. Email is their bread and butter of communication and mail servers are mission critical applications.
Wrong. The problem isn't with exchange which is a very good and widely used product. And I doubt the WH has scrub admins. Everything they claim is a problem has been solved many times over and is sitting in production in enterprises across this nation. There are tools for doing exactly what they claim they couldn't do.
Exchange is a great mail server and the issues here have nothing to do with microsoft or what they support. It's/. so the blame MS part is a given. But this is a case of them using it as an excuse. You'd think the WH has the best admins money can buy and this wouldn't be an issue.
If your friends been missing since he was last seen in your truck, and they can place the bood from around the same time as him being missing, and they can paint a picture of you wanting to kill your friend, and there's several other key pieces of evidence that points to you possibly killing your friend, you probably are.
Geez, all the people playing dumbass here protecting this guy, or trying to turn this into some personal rights issue.
Are not the problem. That is a feature and one that is used very often as ADO also supports multiple recordsets.
The solution is to use these tools properly. For years SP's were the norm for people doing database development. Then the younger generation of coders really took to crud generators and very often I see people totally arguing against SP's. Mostly I chalk this up to lack of experience. I really don't care which one is faster, having all my code that directly references database object at the database level is just a "no duh" right way approch.
SP's with parameters (also supported by ADO) is the way to go. Either.NET or classic. If people want to use their crud generators and whatnot fine, but please abstract your database code back into the database. It's lazy not to do so.
Seriously, who taught you to be so offended by such trivial things? It's not something you're just born being offended by, it's a learned behavior. And one we'd be better off without.
Really? Their hiding in plain sight? I'm sick of giving the "nice" Muslims a free pass. It's about time they get control of their own countries/societies then. Inaction doesn't do anything. And don't even bother trying to compare the US to Iran or Syria. Yes, it would be hard. But Islamic society in many countries is not improving. It's going in the wrong direction. And these nice reasonable people you point out aren't doing crap to stop it apparently.
Just because Christians have been forced to be a bit more sophisticated than killing Dutch filmmakers and trying to bully online encyclopedias doesn't mean they aren't every bit as fearful and hateful of freedom as their Muslim counterparts.
No, actually it does. While I have many issues with the Xians in this nation, they are no where close to having the issues Islam has. Christianity has had it's reformation. The Muslim world is just 500 years behind and counting.
No, you're not getting the point. I'm not interested in convincing consumers to buy something. I'm not interested in getting anyone to bend over backwards to get anything to work.
I don't care if you ever try anything again.
But the fact remains, and it is a fact, that if I do a plan jane install of Vista on 5 year old hardware that runs fine. Then anyone can. You got a laptop from Dell that blew and instantly assumed it's the OS that's defective. How nice! Next time I pick up some bad RAM I'll write a letter to MS blaming XP.
If you're posting on/. then you should know that MS OS's are typically bloated. And if you buy one from Dell (or almost anyone major hardware vendor targeting the home market) it's 10x so. So while I don't care if you ever try Vista again, this is a discussion board. If you installed the Vista OS and you couldn't getting working decently then it's hardware or you. And if you got one from Dell that didn't run, try bitching that THEM for what they've done wrong. Not the OS because I can assure you it runs just fine on older hardware.
Save this engineer stuff dipass. I've been paying my mortgage for years as one.
I'm sure they need to run high spec. Like the Athlon XP 1800 I ran it on when I first installed it just fine. Uber.
Dell and the like throw crap on machines all the time that screw them up. I've never run a dell installed version of Vista so I can't comment on it. But if you can't get Vista to run just fine on something as old as an xp1800 with a gig of ram, then you're the problem or there is a hardware issue. Period. Point. Blank.
There was no magic running in my CPU and RAM. My Vista DVD was the same as anyone elses (with home premium).
So every time a POS laptop gets sold it's Vista's fault. Dell doesn't screw things up?
Here's a thought. There aren't magic copies out there that don't suck. So obviously there was a problem with the laptop or the install. I'm just sure they bought a new and powerful laptop that has a DEFAULT install. Because we all know dell install's are just defaults. Nothing else there on it! No way.
You don't really come off as being honest. You're talking about a bought laptop that you set up? WTF is that? You then go into bullcrap like it couldn't play what? Fucking media files? Come on. Varied library. I'm not sure if you mean Vista hates Jazz, or that by default it doesn't play certain audio types.
Networking was unstable? Come on. More bullshit. Yeah, the BSD stack in Vista in crap. Whatever. Linux fixed your lose cable/made up story. Whatever. And sure, the disk IO just sucked. Those read/writes you clocked were just horrid.
Quite honestly, I'd just like to see one person have actual complaints about it that isn't obviously making crap up. I know there are there. Not on/. though.
You're a prime example of Vista's image problem. Vista comes with backup software, picture management software, DVD burning software, music tools.
And Vista is rock stable. However, just like Mac OS is needs to be on supported hardware. When it is, it's kernel is protected from almost all faults and it's as stable as anything else. When people are trying to shove it on a comp with a sound card that doesn't have certified drivers for Vista they might have issues.
If you have Core Duo's with Sata drives and they churn for 5 minutes before loading Vista you're an idiot. That's just a fact. You've done something wrong.
But come on. Let's be call a spade a spade here. You're making shit up.
Let's look at more proof of you being an idiot liar.
You got 5 adware registry entries in 5 months. To write to the registry requires an act of god. Meaning YOU clicked ALLOW for it to happen. Idiot or liar? I think liar once again.
You wrote: "UAC is retarded. I'm quite capable of using my system without it, but I can't turn it off without the nagging."
Obviously NOT. $500 OS? Liar or an idiot? I again vote for an liar.
People that write crap like you do need to be modded into oblivion. Your posts add no value here. You're just another prick with a bias making up crap to support that bias. I hope your internet connection dies.
It's sorta like debating which movie studio makes the best movies. Does total count? High signal to noise ratio? Do we adjust for overall popularity? Our feelings as they've changed with time?
I had a TV with a pong-like game built into it in the 70's. Then a 2600. Odyssey. Intellivison. Coleco (really an Adam). Sega Master System. TurboGrafx 16. SNES. PS. N64. PS2. Xbox. Gamecube. 360. Wii.
I bet that's more hands on then most people who comment on such things. But even still it's worthless to me. The 2600 came when I was so young that I just longed to do things grown ups could. It was the first to make major headway into homes. The SMS was those 7th-8th grade type years. The SMS probably wins in signal to noise. Alex Kidd, Phantasy Star, Miracle Warriors, Zillion, Shinobi, After Burner, Califnornia games, MK, Ninja Gaiden, Space Harrier. And I'm sure I'm missing a bunch. But compared to the low number of total games for the system, that's a huge amount of A list games.
Then agian, The TurboGrafx 16 and Bonks and Slaughterhouse. 2 great games for a system that only had like 10 games total.
The NES to me was the clear winner as far as the system that brought home gaming back after fading away after the 2600. Probably had the most "great" games of any system. Even more then the followup SNES had IMO.
I don't know. I like being nostalgic here. But the arguement as to which was the best really can't be won.
Power users certainly shouldn't be annoyed by UAC because a power user should configure the prompts to their liking.
Again, you can turn off indexing and other resource options if you need too. I first did Vista on a 4 year old AMD processor with 1024 and had no problems. A gig of RAM is like $40 right now. I don't see that as an issue. It's a new OS. That it requires somewhat modern hardware shouldn't be an issue. It's 6 of 1, 1/2 a dozen of another. Do you design an OS to run fine on older hardware and limit some features? Or do you design for more modern hardware with more features? No right or wrong in that one. But the resources needed to run Vista certainly get overstated.
I haven't had any issues with wireless, I'm on Vista right now through a wireless connection. And I don't get prompts for printing through a network printer.
the exremely annoying UAC prompts - Right because we all install 100 apps a day or make 100 system changes a day. I'm on my PC a lot and rarely get asked to continue. When I do, it's an install or a system change. Which makes sense.
the HUGE amount of system rescources needed to get decent performance - Correcting you, you only need a huge amount of resources to get Vista with all it's eye-candy. Feel free to turn it off to get performance you can live with. In fact, when you install it, the OS suggests what level of eye candy.
Lets start with the built in DRM - I only agree with this about Vista itself. Vista needs to be activated, etc.. Otherwise, what are you talking about. Vista doesn't check or care if I download 100 new movies and songs from my favorite torrent, burn then to DVD, upload, etc...
You might want to try actually using a system before commenting on it.
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It depends on the level and state/fed? A CIO? All the time. Twice on Thursday. There's a revolving door at that level. Usually it's a forced resignation. Below that starts to get murky. A lot of times at the lower levels people are just moved around to become dead weight. In a technical career field the worker bee's could be in either scenario and a lot depends on the government entity itself. And of course, it's a more then 50% chance the real handling of this was contracted out (at least in part). All of the above would be my guess in this case. Some would be fired. Some moved. Some contracts not renewed. And potentially even come recouping of monies. I've never been any place where the loss of emails was even close to being OK.
I've done DOD and federal government consulting in IT. I'm not wrong. They are not working with tiny budgets at the WH. They can and do afford good IT help. Which is why this problem reeks as should be obvious to anyone.
I have first hand experience with government. Screw ups happen both in private sector and gov. That isn't to say you make excuses for them. You giving a "shit happens" on not having backups is absurd. Sure it does happen. And people are fired and a system of checks and balances exist to catch it when it does.
Are you serious? Loosing emails due to a rather common upgrade from notes to exchange? WTF? What mom and pop store do you work for that you would even write such rubbish? You know how many people have dumped notes for exchange and haven't lost a single email? And at the WH no less? It's not perfectly normal. It's not something that should happen on any enterprise. There are tools to do exactly that and backups for everything for recovery in case of a problem. This is not something that sould happen, not for government, not for private sector. And usually it's the exec's that would be firing people because they lost email. Email is their bread and butter of communication and mail servers are mission critical applications.
Wrong. The problem isn't with exchange which is a very good and widely used product. And I doubt the WH has scrub admins. Everything they claim is a problem has been solved many times over and is sitting in production in enterprises across this nation. There are tools for doing exactly what they claim they couldn't do.
Exchange is a great mail server and the issues here have nothing to do with microsoft or what they support. It's /. so the blame MS part is a given. But this is a case of them using it as an excuse. You'd think the WH has the best admins money can buy and this wouldn't be an issue.
If your friends been missing since he was last seen in your truck, and they can place the bood from around the same time as him being missing, and they can paint a picture of you wanting to kill your friend, and there's several other key pieces of evidence that points to you possibly killing your friend, you probably are.
Geez, all the people playing dumbass here protecting this guy, or trying to turn this into some personal rights issue.
Are not the problem. That is a feature and one that is used very often as ADO also supports multiple recordsets.
.NET or classic. If people want to use their crud generators and whatnot fine, but please abstract your database code back into the database. It's lazy not to do so.
The solution is to use these tools properly. For years SP's were the norm for people doing database development. Then the younger generation of coders really took to crud generators and very often I see people totally arguing against SP's. Mostly I chalk this up to lack of experience. I really don't care which one is faster, having all my code that directly references database object at the database level is just a "no duh" right way approch.
SP's with parameters (also supported by ADO) is the way to go. Either
Spore has a black and white feel to me. Hyped beyond belief. Very cool concept. Bored with it after 4 hours.
IOW, I don't think productivity is going to suffer on a global scale. That's already here, and it's called WoW. People are just used to it by now.
Oh noes! Flying butts. The horror.
Seriously, who taught you to be so offended by such trivial things? It's not something you're just born being offended by, it's a learned behavior. And one we'd be better off without.
Really? Their hiding in plain sight? I'm sick of giving the "nice" Muslims a free pass. It's about time they get control of their own countries/societies then. Inaction doesn't do anything. And don't even bother trying to compare the US to Iran or Syria. Yes, it would be hard. But Islamic society in many countries is not improving. It's going in the wrong direction. And these nice reasonable people you point out aren't doing crap to stop it apparently.
You're an idiot. Read the article. And seriously, to the mod about to hit me as flamebait. Screw you. Like I said, read the article.
Just because Christians have been forced to be a bit more sophisticated than killing Dutch filmmakers and trying to bully online encyclopedias doesn't mean they aren't every bit as fearful and hateful of freedom as their Muslim counterparts.
No, actually it does. While I have many issues with the Xians in this nation, they are no where close to having the issues Islam has. Christianity has had it's reformation. The Muslim world is just 500 years behind and counting.
No, you're not getting the point. I'm not interested in convincing consumers to buy something. I'm not interested in getting anyone to bend over backwards to get anything to work.
/. then you should know that MS OS's are typically bloated. And if you buy one from Dell (or almost anyone major hardware vendor targeting the home market) it's 10x so. So while I don't care if you ever try Vista again, this is a discussion board. If you installed the Vista OS and you couldn't getting working decently then it's hardware or you. And if you got one from Dell that didn't run, try bitching that THEM for what they've done wrong. Not the OS because I can assure you it runs just fine on older hardware.
I don't care if you ever try anything again.
But the fact remains, and it is a fact, that if I do a plan jane install of Vista on 5 year old hardware that runs fine. Then anyone can. You got a laptop from Dell that blew and instantly assumed it's the OS that's defective. How nice! Next time I pick up some bad RAM I'll write a letter to MS blaming XP.
If you're posting on
Save this engineer stuff dipass. I've been paying my mortgage for years as one.
I'm sure they need to run high spec. Like the Athlon XP 1800 I ran it on when I first installed it just fine. Uber.
Dell and the like throw crap on machines all the time that screw them up. I've never run a dell installed version of Vista so I can't comment on it. But if you can't get Vista to run just fine on something as old as an xp1800 with a gig of ram, then you're the problem or there is a hardware issue. Period. Point. Blank.
There was no magic running in my CPU and RAM. My Vista DVD was the same as anyone elses (with home premium).
So every time a POS laptop gets sold it's Vista's fault. Dell doesn't screw things up?
/. though.
Here's a thought. There aren't magic copies out there that don't suck. So obviously there was a problem with the laptop or the install. I'm just sure they bought a new and powerful laptop that has a DEFAULT install. Because we all know dell install's are just defaults. Nothing else there on it! No way.
You don't really come off as being honest. You're talking about a bought laptop that you set up? WTF is that? You then go into bullcrap like it couldn't play what? Fucking media files? Come on. Varied library. I'm not sure if you mean Vista hates Jazz, or that by default it doesn't play certain audio types.
Networking was unstable? Come on. More bullshit. Yeah, the BSD stack in Vista in crap. Whatever. Linux fixed your lose cable/made up story. Whatever. And sure, the disk IO just sucked. Those read/writes you clocked were just horrid.
Quite honestly, I'd just like to see one person have actual complaints about it that isn't obviously making crap up. I know there are there. Not on
You're a prime example of Vista's image problem. Vista comes with backup software, picture management software, DVD burning software, music tools.
And Vista is rock stable. However, just like Mac OS is needs to be on supported hardware. When it is, it's kernel is protected from almost all faults and it's as stable as anything else. When people are trying to shove it on a comp with a sound card that doesn't have certified drivers for Vista they might have issues.
If you have Core Duo's with Sata drives and they churn for 5 minutes before loading Vista you're an idiot. That's just a fact. You've done something wrong.
But come on. Let's be call a spade a spade here. You're making shit up.
Let's look at more proof of you being an idiot liar.
You got 5 adware registry entries in 5 months. To write to the registry requires an act of god. Meaning YOU clicked ALLOW for it to happen. Idiot or liar? I think liar once again.
You wrote: "UAC is retarded. I'm quite capable of using my system without it, but I can't turn it off without the nagging."
Obviously NOT. $500 OS? Liar or an idiot? I again vote for an liar.
People that write crap like you do need to be modded into oblivion. Your posts add no value here. You're just another prick with a bias making up crap to support that bias. I hope your internet connection dies.
Nope. My install has been rock solid for months. Performance is fine. Etc...
99% of the negative crap you read on here about Vista is FUD.
I mean, look at this story. There's a freaking Mac version of this book. It's a series they do for OS's. OMG nooz!
It's sorta like debating which movie studio makes the best movies. Does total count? High signal to noise ratio? Do we adjust for overall popularity? Our feelings as they've changed with time?
I had a TV with a pong-like game built into it in the 70's. Then a 2600. Odyssey. Intellivison. Coleco (really an Adam). Sega Master System. TurboGrafx 16. SNES. PS. N64. PS2. Xbox. Gamecube. 360. Wii.
I bet that's more hands on then most people who comment on such things. But even still it's worthless to me. The 2600 came when I was so young that I just longed to do things grown ups could. It was the first to make major headway into homes. The SMS was those 7th-8th grade type years. The SMS probably wins in signal to noise. Alex Kidd, Phantasy Star, Miracle Warriors, Zillion, Shinobi, After Burner, Califnornia games, MK, Ninja Gaiden, Space Harrier. And I'm sure I'm missing a bunch. But compared to the low number of total games for the system, that's a huge amount of A list games.
Then agian, The TurboGrafx 16 and Bonks and Slaughterhouse. 2 great games for a system that only had like 10 games total.
The NES to me was the clear winner as far as the system that brought home gaming back after fading away after the 2600. Probably had the most "great" games of any system. Even more then the followup SNES had IMO.
I don't know. I like being nostalgic here. But the arguement as to which was the best really can't be won.
Hello dick ass mod.
/. about Vista is made up. Mine was in that other 10%.
A troll is someone that posts crap just to inflame. Not someone who posts the results of their actual hands on experience.
Grow the fuck up. 90% of the crap I read here on
Power users certainly shouldn't be annoyed by UAC because a power user should configure the prompts to their liking.
Again, you can turn off indexing and other resource options if you need too. I first did Vista on a 4 year old AMD processor with 1024 and had no problems. A gig of RAM is like $40 right now. I don't see that as an issue. It's a new OS. That it requires somewhat modern hardware shouldn't be an issue. It's 6 of 1, 1/2 a dozen of another. Do you design an OS to run fine on older hardware and limit some features? Or do you design for more modern hardware with more features? No right or wrong in that one. But the resources needed to run Vista certainly get overstated.
I haven't had any issues with wireless, I'm on Vista right now through a wireless connection. And I don't get prompts for printing through a network printer.
the exremely annoying UAC prompts - Right because we all install 100 apps a day or make 100 system changes a day. I'm on my PC a lot and rarely get asked to continue. When I do, it's an install or a system change. Which makes sense.
the HUGE amount of system rescources needed to get decent performance - Correcting you, you only need a huge amount of resources to get Vista with all it's eye-candy. Feel free to turn it off to get performance you can live with. In fact, when you install it, the OS suggests what level of eye candy.
Lets start with the built in DRM - I only agree with this about Vista itself. Vista needs to be activated, etc.. Otherwise, what are you talking about. Vista doesn't check or care if I download 100 new movies and songs from my favorite torrent, burn then to DVD, upload, etc...
You might want to try actually using a system before commenting on it.
I've also noticed that the Oscar's rarely put up anything from Bollywood.
Maybe it's because, unlike most people on the internet, they are only discussing that which they know?
Very different sound actually.