I'm saying that after 70 years of the borders of Israel being where they are...
So you’re unaware that the borders moved in the first 10 years of the state of Israel, plus the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and Golan began in 1967.
Why am I even discussing this with someone who doesn’t know the basics?
... there is no one alive today on either side with any claims for land except that under their feet.
The settlements are expanding. You seem unaware of that fact, or maybe you support it. It’s hard to tell, frankly, so I’m wondering what your point is.
For the most part all of the people were born on the land they live on. We can rehash all the history of who possessed this land all the way back to before Judaism existed if we want but that changes nothing on who owns it now. Israel owns this land and they can keep it as long as they can defend it. These 20 year old punks that toss fire bombs at Israeli border guards can claim that the land on the other side of the fence is there's but it's not.
Well, the people you detest are under belligerent occupation by Israel, hence why they toss incendiaries and fire crackers over the fence, sometimes hurting people. But the key point is that you are being inconsistent. You claim might makes right, but then you object to someone challenging that might. The rest of that paragraph is just the usual racist driven so I will ignore it.
They could have better conditions if they wanted it more than to kill Jews. I have no sympathy for the living conditions of those that threaten the lives of Jews for being Jews. I have read a book or two, and I see the news. The Israeli authorities give those in Gaza pipes to fix their water supply, fertilizer to grow crops, and sugar to can their food. What they do is weld the pipes into makeshift rocket casings, use the sugar and fertilizer to make rocket propellant, then send the unguided rockets to kill random innocent people. Had they instead used this material to improve their own living conditions they'd have food and clean water. I'm impressed by their ability to improvise these weapons but saddened by their inability to use those resources for improving their living conditions.
Yes, that’s the Israeli line, however what the Israelis actually did - and they admitted it - was, after they were forced out of Gaza, blockade it almost completely, stop trade and goods going out, put the people on starvation rations, and bomb the electricity and sewerage so that the people would suffer. The Palestinians dug tunnels and smuggled food, essentials and then luxuries to survive, and smuggled out goods. Israelis got really mad and bombed the tunnels.
Far from letting the Palestinians live in peace, they wanted them to suffer. They even boasted about it.
Israel has nuclear weapons. As I recall VP Biden let this slip as before it was merely speculated. Iran has stated openly that if they get a nuclear weapon they fully intend to drop it on Israel.
Blah blah blah.
None of that is on topic, Palestinians are not Persians, and Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons. It’s just meaningless blather.
The Palestinians were offered land for peace FIVE TIMES since 1900. These offers were accepted by the Jews every time, but the Arabs in the area refused. If they honestly wanted land and peace then they had plenty of time to do so. The last offer was in 2008, far from ancient history. Israel is seeking peace but the Palestinians are not. They will not accept anything less than the total destruction of Israel.
Ignorance isn’t bliss in this case. In 1946 Ben Gurion wrote that he would appear to accept Partition of Palestine, but he always intended to expand it’s borders and drive out the Arabs.
By the 1980s Isarel had occupie
How many generations removed can they still call this their land?
Wait - you’re claiming that the religious zealots from Europe who said they have an eternal homeland after 2000 years are reasonable but the second and third generation of the people displaced are not, even though they are still stateless and occupied by said European religious zealots?
Those that can behave themselves and not be pissed about a 70 year old gripe will live in peace and prosperity within the borders of Israel. Those that can't will be imprisoned, not killed or forced out.
You seem to not know a heck of a lot about this, so it’s unsurprising you are parroting propaganda, but the Palestinians both in Gaza and the West Bank face starvation rations and no clean water in one case and dispossession in the other, and both face near-daily violence from Israelis. You should open a newspaper or two, or maybe read a book.
If Israel really was the bloodthirsty culture you believe it to be then they'd bomb the Gaza Strip until it glowed in the dark. The Gaza Strip is 99.9% Muslim, why is that? Could it be because the Jews and Christians were largely killed or forcefully relocated? All the rockets that go over that border originate from Gaza and land in Israel. Sure, the Israeli Army will defend it's border with lethal force so bullets and grenades do cross from Israel into Gaza. They do this because they know if the border is breached that those that cross will do so with the intent to kill as many Jews as they can. This isn't about land any more, no one fighting this war has ever set foot in Israel before.
I think you’ll find it’s about occupation and Israeli brutality. Seriously, the level of ignorance you’re showing here is embarrassing. Even the Israelis admit that they have a brutal occupation with the intent of starving the Palestinians into acquiescence. They just can’t mass murder the Palestinians because then they’d be subjected to sanctions, and they rely on massive aid handouts from the EU and US just to survive.
I read my history and know of the Six Day War. Israel has a far superior military than any of its neighbors. If they wanted to take the Sinai Peninsula again, and keep it, then they could do so at any time. But they gave it back as an offering to hopefully reach peace. All they got in return was more rockets fired at them.
Ouch! You really should open a book about the Yom Kippur war, where Egypt steamrolled over Israeli forces almost by accident, and discovered that they could do that again and again if they had better preparation. Isarel and Egypt were discussing peace a year later, and a peace treaty was signed shortly after that. What rockets do you think go from Egypt to Israel, or vice versa? Egypt was Israel’s second Middle East ally.
“Mad Dog” Mattis excluded? The guy who doesn’t think the US should ever disclose or even count how many civilians they kill in foreign countries? He seems to fit right in with Trump’s horde of evil-doers.
Almost immediately after this happens the US will turn into a police state, with the NSA and FBI snooping on politicians' phones and leaking everything illegal, or legal and politically damaging on the first couple who say no to them. After that the remaining politicians will fall into line.
Because you have to trust the cops. Even the ones filmed planting evidence, beating confessions out of people and stealing stuff. All the prosecutor has to say is "Yes, please disallow the evidence that the police have been filmed planting, but you have no reason to disallow the rest of the evidence, regardless of how untrustworthy the police have proven to be."
I’m afraid you’re confusing idea with implementation. Dynamic linking is great and works well on every major Unix platform as well as a few bygone ones. The Linux implementation is rubbish and it’s the implementation that causes the headaches.
The awesome thing about the wall is that it managed to stop suicide attacks before it was completed. It's still not quite complete, amusingly. It's almost as though Palestinians decided to stop the suicide bombings, and the Israelis just wanted more land....
Elbit employees probably believe that this is normal and routine, given the spying Israel does on the Palestinians. Elbit employees will be routinely involved in helping to target, blackmail and implicate Palestinians regularly. Why should they believe that does this is not normal, and therefore why would they oppose the sale to any authoritarian government, regardless of what they do with it?
Intel would be producing nothing of any noteworthy speed or performance if not for DEC's intellectual property. In the 90s DEC had the speed crown. Intel "borrowed" their IP, got sued and lost. But in the meantime DEC was gobbled up by Compaq and Compaq was much more interested in Intel as a partner than producing VMS or Unix servers.
It was discovered that Google's AI had killed John Giannandrea and was using his body to spread misinformation about the AI's plans. Oh, and for some reason messing up the search results, because it really hates humans.
I just checked, as I haven't moved to Sierra yet. No, it'll still let you open any app you download, you just have to double-click on it, go to security in the settings app and click on "open anyway" the first time.
What next - saying we shouldn't post on the web or use email <snark>because we can't communicate tone</snark>? Yep, that's really a huge unsolved **cough**bullshit**cough** problem:-)
So they're fully tested? There won't be any dumb people cutting corners in construction? You certainly have to be dumb to believe such a thing.
If you get your wish maybe you should work on your list of excuses as to why it went wrong. Call my mom, maybe she can share some of my better excuses from when I was five, you sound like you could do with the help.
There are significantly safer and more efficient designs now. A trend that's likely to continue.
We know they are free of design flaws because their proponents tell us so, and because they are almost tested. Anyway, we can always test it in production. That kind of thinking never got anyone in trouble.
We also know they will have no construction flaws because human nature precludes such a thing happening, and the idea that once it is in operation someone will cut costs and create an unsafe environment is laughable. No one would ever do that with an untested nuclear reactor, or even a tested one.
Also, if you don't drink a quart of vodka before your shift and then go play with the pretty dials and lights, all reactors new generation and old generation are much safer.
Is that what you believe was the root cause of the runaway reactor?
We could easily have fission and fusion reactors safe enough for every street corner in the future.
The only people dumber than the ones who built this reactor are the ones who want to build thousands of untested reactors all around the world. Tell me, do you have a ready-made list of excuses when design and construction flaws are exposed, and will you have a fall-back position?
The only people dumber than the ones who built this reactor are the ones who want to build thousands of untested reactors all around the world. Tell me, do you have a ready-made list of excuses when design and construction flaws are exposed, and will you have a fall-back position?
Hell, be thankful that the source can be reached via only one level of redirection, and the editor didn't simply create an infinite loop. Almost makes you miss Timothy, doesn't it?
I refuse to accept the we will be as ignorant in 100 years as we are today. We've already learnt that nuclear power plants are a stupid idea. Why would we build more?
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I'm saying that after 70 years of the borders of Israel being where they are ...
So you’re unaware that the borders moved in the first 10 years of the state of Israel, plus the occupation of the West Bank, Gaza and Golan began in 1967. Why am I even discussing this with someone who doesn’t know the basics?
... there is no one alive today on either side with any claims for land except that under their feet.
The settlements are expanding. You seem unaware of that fact, or maybe you support it. It’s hard to tell, frankly, so I’m wondering what your point is.
For the most part all of the people were born on the land they live on. We can rehash all the history of who possessed this land all the way back to before Judaism existed if we want but that changes nothing on who owns it now. Israel owns this land and they can keep it as long as they can defend it. These 20 year old punks that toss fire bombs at Israeli border guards can claim that the land on the other side of the fence is there's but it's not.
Well, the people you detest are under belligerent occupation by Israel, hence why they toss incendiaries and fire crackers over the fence, sometimes hurting people. But the key point is that you are being inconsistent. You claim might makes right, but then you object to someone challenging that might. The rest of that paragraph is just the usual racist driven so I will ignore it.
They could have better conditions if they wanted it more than to kill Jews. I have no sympathy for the living conditions of those that threaten the lives of Jews for being Jews. I have read a book or two, and I see the news. The Israeli authorities give those in Gaza pipes to fix their water supply, fertilizer to grow crops, and sugar to can their food. What they do is weld the pipes into makeshift rocket casings, use the sugar and fertilizer to make rocket propellant, then send the unguided rockets to kill random innocent people. Had they instead used this material to improve their own living conditions they'd have food and clean water. I'm impressed by their ability to improvise these weapons but saddened by their inability to use those resources for improving their living conditions.
Yes, that’s the Israeli line, however what the Israelis actually did - and they admitted it - was, after they were forced out of Gaza, blockade it almost completely, stop trade and goods going out, put the people on starvation rations, and bomb the electricity and sewerage so that the people would suffer. The Palestinians dug tunnels and smuggled food, essentials and then luxuries to survive, and smuggled out goods. Israelis got really mad and bombed the tunnels. Far from letting the Palestinians live in peace, they wanted them to suffer. They even boasted about it.
Israel has nuclear weapons. As I recall VP Biden let this slip as before it was merely speculated. Iran has stated openly that if they get a nuclear weapon they fully intend to drop it on Israel.
Blah blah blah. None of that is on topic, Palestinians are not Persians, and Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons. It’s just meaningless blather.
The Palestinians were offered land for peace FIVE TIMES since 1900. These offers were accepted by the Jews every time, but the Arabs in the area refused. If they honestly wanted land and peace then they had plenty of time to do so. The last offer was in 2008, far from ancient history. Israel is seeking peace but the Palestinians are not. They will not accept anything less than the total destruction of Israel.
Ignorance isn’t bliss in this case. In 1946 Ben Gurion wrote that he would appear to accept Partition of Palestine, but he always intended to expand it’s borders and drive out the Arabs. By the 1980s Isarel had occupie
How many generations removed can they still call this their land?
Wait - you’re claiming that the religious zealots from Europe who said they have an eternal homeland after 2000 years are reasonable but the second and third generation of the people displaced are not, even though they are still stateless and occupied by said European religious zealots?
Those that can behave themselves and not be pissed about a 70 year old gripe will live in peace and prosperity within the borders of Israel. Those that can't will be imprisoned, not killed or forced out.
You seem to not know a heck of a lot about this, so it’s unsurprising you are parroting propaganda, but the Palestinians both in Gaza and the West Bank face starvation rations and no clean water in one case and dispossession in the other, and both face near-daily violence from Israelis. You should open a newspaper or two, or maybe read a book.
If Israel really was the bloodthirsty culture you believe it to be then they'd bomb the Gaza Strip until it glowed in the dark. The Gaza Strip is 99.9% Muslim, why is that? Could it be because the Jews and Christians were largely killed or forcefully relocated? All the rockets that go over that border originate from Gaza and land in Israel. Sure, the Israeli Army will defend it's border with lethal force so bullets and grenades do cross from Israel into Gaza. They do this because they know if the border is breached that those that cross will do so with the intent to kill as many Jews as they can. This isn't about land any more, no one fighting this war has ever set foot in Israel before.
I think you’ll find it’s about occupation and Israeli brutality. Seriously, the level of ignorance you’re showing here is embarrassing. Even the Israelis admit that they have a brutal occupation with the intent of starving the Palestinians into acquiescence. They just can’t mass murder the Palestinians because then they’d be subjected to sanctions, and they rely on massive aid handouts from the EU and US just to survive.
I read my history and know of the Six Day War. Israel has a far superior military than any of its neighbors. If they wanted to take the Sinai Peninsula again, and keep it, then they could do so at any time. But they gave it back as an offering to hopefully reach peace. All they got in return was more rockets fired at them.
Ouch! You really should open a book about the Yom Kippur war, where Egypt steamrolled over Israeli forces almost by accident, and discovered that they could do that again and again if they had better preparation. Isarel and Egypt were discussing peace a year later, and a peace treaty was signed shortly after that. What rockets do you think go from Egypt to Israel, or vice versa? Egypt was Israel’s second Middle East ally.
“Mad Dog” Mattis excluded? The guy who doesn’t think the US should ever disclose or even count how many civilians they kill in foreign countries? He seems to fit right in with Trump’s horde of evil-doers.
Almost immediately after this happens the US will turn into a police state, with the NSA and FBI snooping on politicians' phones and leaking everything illegal, or legal and politically damaging on the first couple who say no to them. After that the remaining politicians will fall into line.
Because you have to trust the cops. Even the ones filmed planting evidence, beating confessions out of people and stealing stuff. All the prosecutor has to say is "Yes, please disallow the evidence that the police have been filmed planting, but you have no reason to disallow the rest of the evidence, regardless of how untrustworthy the police have proven to be."
So you're saying you will never be a CEO?
Did not blend.
I’m afraid you’re confusing idea with implementation. Dynamic linking is great and works well on every major Unix platform as well as a few bygone ones. The Linux implementation is rubbish and it’s the implementation that causes the headaches.
The awesome thing about the wall is that it managed to stop suicide attacks before it was completed. It's still not quite complete, amusingly. It's almost as though Palestinians decided to stop the suicide bombings, and the Israelis just wanted more land....
Elbit employees probably believe that this is normal and routine, given the spying Israel does on the Palestinians. Elbit employees will be routinely involved in helping to target, blackmail and implicate Palestinians regularly. Why should they believe that does this is not normal, and therefore why would they oppose the sale to any authoritarian government, regardless of what they do with it?
Intel would be producing nothing of any noteworthy speed or performance if not for DEC's intellectual property. In the 90s DEC had the speed crown. Intel "borrowed" their IP, got sued and lost. But in the meantime DEC was gobbled up by Compaq and Compaq was much more interested in Intel as a partner than producing VMS or Unix servers.
It was discovered that Google's AI had killed John Giannandrea and was using his body to spread misinformation about the AI's plans. Oh, and for some reason messing up the search results, because it really hates humans.
You ended your post incorrectly. Sad.
I just checked, as I haven't moved to Sierra yet. No, it'll still let you open any app you download, you just have to double-click on it, go to security in the settings app and click on "open anyway" the first time.
Oh the delicious irony of arguing against renewable energy production because climate change will cause more damage to production more often...
Pfft. Anything outside the M25 is just dead weight.
Mind you, after Brexit everything inside the M25 will be dead weight as well...
What next - saying we shouldn't post on the web or use email <snark>because we can't communicate tone</snark>? Yep, that's really a huge unsolved **cough**bullshit**cough** problem :-)
Why are you so ... frightened? ;-)
If you can convince the Israelis of that you could win the Nobel Peace Prize...
So they're fully tested? There won't be any dumb people cutting corners in construction? You certainly have to be dumb to believe such a thing. If you get your wish maybe you should work on your list of excuses as to why it went wrong. Call my mom, maybe she can share some of my better excuses from when I was five, you sound like you could do with the help.
That KIND of nuclear plants are not a good idea.
There are significantly safer and more efficient designs now. A trend that's likely to continue.
We know they are free of design flaws because their proponents tell us so, and because they are almost tested. Anyway, we can always test it in production. That kind of thinking never got anyone in trouble.
We also know they will have no construction flaws because human nature precludes such a thing happening, and the idea that once it is in operation someone will cut costs and create an unsafe environment is laughable. No one would ever do that with an untested nuclear reactor, or even a tested one.
Also, if you don't drink a quart of vodka before your shift and then go play with the pretty dials and lights, all reactors new generation and old generation are much safer.
Is that what you believe was the root cause of the runaway reactor?
We could easily have fission and fusion reactors safe enough for every street corner in the future.
At least you ended on an amusing note...
Oops, ignore that. Replied to the wrong post.
The only people dumber than the ones who built this reactor are the ones who want to build thousands of untested reactors all around the world. Tell me, do you have a ready-made list of excuses when design and construction flaws are exposed, and will you have a fall-back position?
The only people dumber than the ones who built this reactor are the ones who want to build thousands of untested reactors all around the world. Tell me, do you have a ready-made list of excuses when design and construction flaws are exposed, and will you have a fall-back position?
Hell, be thankful that the source can be reached via only one level of redirection, and the editor didn't simply create an infinite loop. Almost makes you miss Timothy, doesn't it?
No.
I refuse to accept the we will be as ignorant in 100 years as we are today. We've already learnt that nuclear power plants are a stupid idea. Why would we build more?