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'Cards Against Humanity' Gives Out $1000 Checks (nbcchicago.com)

An anonymous reader writes: In November "Cards Against Humanity" announced "a complicated holiday promotion" where people paid $15 for six surprises in December. (For the first surprise in the Cards Against Humanity Saves America promotion, "we purchased a plot of vacant land on the border and retained a law firm specializing in eminent domain to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for Trump to build his wall.") The second surprise was the launch of a new podcast filled with positive news, and for the third surprise, they're redistributing the money people paid to join the event. "Most of our subscribers (about 140,000 people) got nothing today — they could have it worse. The next 10,000 subscribers received a full $15 refund of their Cards Against Humanity Saves America purchase. Finally, the poorest 100 people received a check for $1,000, paid for by everyone else."

A new web page shares stories from the grateful participants, and explains the site's careful methodology for determining who needed the $1,000 checks the most. ("We excluded all Canadians. They already have universal healthcare. They'll be fine.") It argues that wealth inequality is the biggest issue in the world, but "Our lawyers advised against our first choice — a campaign to eat all the rich people and live in their houses — so we settled for something more achievable."

418 comments

  1. Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    What do they think about that?

    1. Re:Walls work in israel by lucasnate1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm Israeli and I'm not sure if they do. We keep relying on palestinians to work inside our borders, and we are also racist to our arab citizens in a way that makes them identify with palestine more than they do with us.

      Maybe the wall has some benefit, but you can't just use it and magically forget about the people on the other side.

    2. Re:Walls work in israel by umghhh · · Score: 1

      In case of Israel the question is not whether your state behaves like an arse but what would have happened if you tried to live by your principles of open society with each citizen respecting others etc.? How do you think it would take to end up in a shithole the other states around are? I say this even if I disagree with building of the wall and settlements on territories not belonging to Israel. It does not help that you or even the whole of Israel unilaterally declare peace and love - they will come and do things to you. This is said state of affairs there. Not sure why that is so. It may have something to do with faith and the fact that some Arabs have too much money for nothing in form of oil (I wonder however what happens when overcrowded Saudi Arabia etc cannot sustain its growing population with oil profits anymore - is another but related issue).

    3. Re: Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walls in Israel do their job. But it's not like Mexicans are crossing the US border to kill infidels or something.

      In any case using the local laws to prevent the local government from enforcing the law is a self-weakening adventure. You gain nothing but ridicule. You also cost citizens money. Which makes you an asshole.

    4. Re: Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why weren't you saying the same thing when Obama signed his 800 mile border wall extension in 2013 ?

      It's just trump is evil ?

    5. Re:Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Wall in Israel dramatically reduced the number of murdered Israeli citizens by forcing the bombers and assassins through security checkpoints, where most are either caught or turn back.

      Of all the things you can complain about, having a wall that physically separates the Israelis from a group of people whom 60% want to genocide them is not one of them.

    6. Re: Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Some Americans kill other Americans. When they do, it's Much more effective than any Mexican.

      Didn't one right wing nut bomb a government building some years ago?

    7. Re: Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why weren't you saying the same thing when Obama signed his 800 mile border wall extension in 2013 ?

      It's just trump is evil ?

      Probably because in reality, what Obama was doing was different, namely a measured and considered response that reflected a rational desire to mitigate harm that was based on acutal problems, and not the blatant hyperbole that Trump resorted to, which is really Trump's own fault because of his personal lack of temperance and desire to concoct imagined demons to fight. In fact, he himself rejected the fencing of the Bush and Obama days in preference to his own concrete edifice. Among other castigations.

      You see, some of us haven't forgotten that Trump denounced Democrats for "an open door policy" that was entirely his concoction while falsely claiming phony successes of his own.

      But hey, great that you're admitting that Trump lied. One lie down, dozens to go!

    8. Re:Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't have to declare peace and love; you offer neither.

      just declare, you're going to move back, to your countries and end your occupation.

      that, will be enough.

    9. Re: Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The fact you think that bankers are lefties makes me laugh.

      No dude, the bankers are firmly in the âoefuck you I got mineâ lobbyists section of the GOP payroll.

      Walls only work to keep people IN. The are ineffective to keep people from coming in because you can not protect the outside from the inside.

      The anti-Mexican wall will only keep a small handful of career criminals from climbing over it. Everyone else arrives legally and overstays.

    10. Re: Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The outright blatant lying in this comment is truly astounding.

    11. Re: Walls work in israel by Ocker3 · · Score: 2

      Just like Obama's 'Muslim Ban', which was a specific and limited response to a known and quantifiable threat from one specific country, as compared to Trump's 'Muslim Ban' which was a broad ban on multiple countries without any specific information as to any threats from any of them.

    12. Re:Walls work in israel by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      The main issue with the Israeli wall is the *massive* land grab that went with it - including the significant "no mans land" on the Palestinian side. The Palestinians lost a lot of arable land in that grab.

    13. Re:Walls work in israel by JabrTheHut · · Score: 2

      The awesome thing about the wall is that it managed to stop suicide attacks before it was completed. It's still not quite complete, amusingly. It's almost as though Palestinians decided to stop the suicide bombings, and the Israelis just wanted more land....

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    14. Re: Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, you do realize that the "open borders doors policy" from Hillary Clinton came from her emails? They literally said they wanted open borders.

      I realize that you like to lie about that a lot.

      Troll harder.

      Is that your name now? I thought BlueStrat was the only person signing their posts.

    15. Re:Walls work in israel by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      The awesome thing about the wall is that it managed to stop suicide attacks before it was completed. It's still not quite complete, amusingly. It's almost as though Palestinians decided to stop the suicide bombings, and the Israelis just wanted more land....

      Your conclusion would make more sense if the suicide attacks that you mentioned were stopped before the wall was started, rather than before it was completed....

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    16. Re:Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing about walls: They don't do much good if they're not complete.

    17. Re: Walls work in israel by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Wait, you used the left wing website politifact to claim that Trump used hyperbole?

      Pot, Kettle, Black.

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    18. Re:Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't have to declare peace and love; you offer neither.

      just declare, you're going to move back, to your countries and end your occupation.

      that, will be enough.

      For you maybe, and for any sensible person, it would be enough. Unfortunately critical masses of people on each side (Israel and Palestine) have a vested interest in continuing the conflict.

    19. Re:Walls work in israel by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      There's a generation of people born in Israel, it is their country now, deal with it.

    20. Re:Walls work in israel by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      Do you really think it is sensible for two people born somewhere to just leave everything away in the name of justice? When has that ever happened without a fight? (This is true for palestinians as well as for us since both sides stole lands at some point)

    21. Re:Walls work in israel by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      I think that the smart thing for Israel to do was to treat it's christian/muslim arab citizens as equals from the start, that would eventually make them hate the palestinians. Did you know that in the beginning of Israel there was a fear that arab jews (a.k.a. mizrahis) would join the other arabs against Israel? This was prevented by making them feel a part of the Israeli state and using propaganda to make everyone hate the Palestinians.

      The best bets for Israel in general are imho two:
      1) Keep holding to the occupation and hope that the world will become more right wings and allow us to be more of a jerks.
      2) Become a theocracy and somehow merge with the muslims into two theocracies with western culture as a common enemy.

      Note that these are the best options for Israel, not the best options for it's citizens. Frankly, unless you are religious, I think your best option in Israel, whether muslim or jewish, is to leave.

    22. Re: Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they don't. You're fucking retarded.

    23. Re: Walls work in israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL you just called politics left-wing

      Reality does have a well known liberal bias I guess. :D

    24. Re: Walls work in israel by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      That is because political correctness IS left wing.

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  2. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1

  3. assholes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for Trump to build his wall.

    you're not helping.
    Why don't you use it to create something instead of just being an obstinate prick about everything trump.

    1. Re:assholes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the wall is a dumber-than-bricks idea? Because standing up to dumb people used to be a virtue back before your testicles withered and fell off? You're a snowflake.

    2. Re:assholes. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Informative

      They have created something.

      They bought some land, split it into tiny parcels and organized the sale of those parcels to thousands of individuals. Now in order to seize the land that Trump wants to build it on the government will have to organize thousands of compulsory purchases (or whatever you call them in the US). Every single one can be contested.

      They have created an effective legal barrier to the wall.

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    3. Re:assholes. by Chas · · Score: 1

      No. Not really.

      How many of those people have the funds to defend against an Eminent Domain claim by the government?

      I'm gonna bet it's someplace between "damn few" and "none".

      All they've done is increased the amount of paperwork a bit. A nuisance at best.

      So, sure, most of these people will be "compensated" some money when the land is seized. And that'll be the end of it.

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    4. Re:assholes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll also be compensated less than $15 because they had so much money left over from the purchase and then gave it away randomly, the pieces of land aren't worth $15 each.

    5. Re:assholes. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      not only that, but they arent making it more costly for trump, they are making it more costly for tax paying americans.

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    6. Re:assholes. by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Hogwash. All the President has to do is declare the border a National Monument.

    7. Re:assholes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It worked for Obama!

    8. Re:assholes. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Nice idea for just the lot in question and the area surrounding it. Another possibility is walling off the area as an unrecoverable toxic waste site. Same wall, different reason.

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    9. Re:assholes. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0

      This is characteristic of the left. Their primary aim is destruction, but failing that they try to make it difficult for others to live.

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    10. Re:assholes. by Chas · · Score: 1

      And these people are liable for property taxes and the like...

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    11. Re:assholes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes very little paperwork to drop landmines on someone else's land. Especially when those "owners" never visit, and couldn't figure out where "their" land is in relation to someone else's land in the first place. Blow Paco's feet off a few times and there will be much less wandering in the desert by illegals invaders.

      I might expect the feds could require the "owner" to provide surveying to allow the feds to "work around" their land. "Tell us exactly where it is so we can avoid it." [snicker snicker]

      or just tax it and take it in a year or two when the tax goes unpaid.

      Efforts on the left to stop Trump should be directed toward not having a criminal or an outright communist (who is also a turncoat) up for election, a slightly coherent party policy beyond "not that guy" and "i have a vagina" would be nice too. Leftists are busy beheading one another over identity politics and sexual groping. They won't make much headway for a while.

    12. Re:assholes. by Chas · · Score: 1

      Basically this is CAH's attempt to be obstructionist while passing the buck.

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    13. Re:assholes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't wait for these libtards to be drug in front of a judge for failing to pay a tax burden on their ideological parcel. That will be a massive red-pill suppository for those not too enamored in their own "I wanna suck Obama-cock!" belief system.

  4. i am too poor.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    to send them 15 bucks, so i missed out on the thousand. gee, thanks, but the 'poorest' didn't get the check.

    1. Re:i am too poor.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not poor enough to have a computer and waste time on /. I see.

  5. Conflicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the one hand, I read the stories about where they're going to spend the money, and wonder why more aren't socking some of it away. There's people in Congress who will be raining shit on you for at least the next three years! (Face it, the seats in play for the midterms aren't likely to produce meaningful change even if things go the Democrats' way.)

    On the other hand, I'm glad to see that the first thought for many of the recipients was who else they could make happy with it. Hope for humanity yet.

    On the gripping hand, I figure everyone's got value for money already out of their $15. Gifts, entertainment, and a smug sense of moral superiority. That's what Christmas is about, ain't it?

    1. Re:Conflicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's people in Congress who will be raining shit on you for at least the next three years!

      No worries, they'll be too busy raining shit on Trump for all those years because he's not their kind of Republican.

  6. It really is amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How otherwise rational and intelligent people, with all the technology and their care-free lives devoid of any real conflict or hardship, can act so naieve and childish.

    I'm sure even during the Salem Witch Trials people conducted themselves with more dignity.

    1. Re:It really is amazing... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, they seem like complete cunts. And 'Cards Against Humanity' is about as fun as cancer. It's for cunty blue stater hipsters who get a kick out saying edgy phrases like 'passable trannies' in a situation where it is socially acceptable, but would gleefully wreck your life if you said anything like that outside of that context.

      I mean if you're going be edgy, at least do it with conviction. A song that those same hipsters got pulled from Youtube for 'hate speech'. I suspect Tyrant Fashister is probably less of an authoritarian than these people.

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  7. Ponzi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It sounds like a newfangled Ponzi Scheme.

    1. Re:Ponzi? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that...

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  8. Virtue Signaling at its best. by thesupraman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That anyone who gave $15 to such a group was, almost by definition, not 'poor'.

    This really looks like a big pile of 'how can we virtue signal the strongest', using other peoples money just to make it worse.

    I must actually listen to their 'positive news' podcast, to get a better handle on what they consider positive - I am guessing its just more self-ego-stroking from their self-selected echo chambers, but hey, I could be wrong.

    1. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only sincere actions are the ones that align with your own political views. Everything else is just virtue signalling. Nobody does anything nice or altruistic, it's all purely to show off.

      Of course, complaining about virtue signalling in every single story about anything virtuous is definitely not virtue signalling. You are doing a public service, calling out wrong-doers, not showing off your cynical anti-do-gooder credentials.

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    2. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >Nobody does anything nice or altruistic

      voted republican I presume ?

    3. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by amalcolm · · Score: 1

      Anonymous coward is a coward. with a potty mouth

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    4. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only sincere actions are the ones that align with your own political views. Everything else is just virtue signalling. Nobody does anything nice or altruistic, it's all purely to show off.

      Was it really something nice when they effectively took donations and redistributed them without putting in any money themselves? If they would have used their profits to do something then you'd have a point.

    5. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Nobody does anything nice or altruistic ...

      You're conflating three issues: Greed, pride, signalling.

      Well, signalling is just a version of pride: Look at me, see what I did.

      Greed: Agreed.

      Pride: No, NO! Fucking your wife (greed) is not the same as saying "look at me, see what I did" (pride). In fact, a person fucking your wife will likely take care to hide what he did.

      ... calling-out wrong-doers ...

      Translation: Someone on the internet is wrong.

      ... not showing-off ...

      Sarcasm or pretension? Yes, you are.

    6. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by dbarclay10 · · Score: 2

      The only sincere actions are the ones that align with your own political views. Everything else is just virtue signalling. Nobody does anything nice or altruistic, it's all purely to show off.

      Of course, complaining about virtue signalling in every single story about anything virtuous is definitely not virtue signalling. You are doing a public service, calling out wrong-doers, not showing off your cynical anti-do-gooder credentials.

      I do nice things all the time, frequently without anybody knowing (so it can't possibly be virtue signalling).

      You're just a giant asshole and/or troll :)

      Hope that helps.

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    7. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you need to go read, it has been found that those who swear tend to have a higher IQ.

      it's dumb sheep who insist on using child like "potty mouth" insults,

    8. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I do nice things all the time, frequently without anybody knowing (so it can't possibly be virtue signalling)."

      Except that you just told the entire internet, so now everybody knows, thus it becomes virtue signalling. Oh well.

    9. Re: Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So dumb it works? Umad.

    10. Re: Virtue Signaling at its best. by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      Ironic.

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    11. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken by someone who's obviously never been poor.

      $15 is really very little. It's not going to make or break anyone. Giving it to a cause you believe in is most certainly not a sign of great wealth. Plenty that make under $25,000 donate an average of almost $1900 according to the IRS
      https://www.fool.com/retirement/2016/11/27/the-average-americans-charitable-donations-how-do.aspx

    12. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you admit this action was entirely virtue signaling because it was only done in opposition to their political values.

      Proof - they never did this during the Obama Administration and for what they gave help to - nothing has changed with the current administration.

      The word you’re looking for is hypocrisy - one you’re well acquainted with.

    13. Re: Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid White People, victims of middle easterners and other Asians. That's what they are.

      I am sure Maos intelligence service loves these idiots.

    14. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus fuckin' Christ, one can be highly intelligent and still be a coward, you know.

    15. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by ewibble · · Score: 1

      That not what the study showed, it showed that people who know more swear words have a larger vocabulary. That is not the same as people who swear more are more intelligent.

      The experiment was they got people to say as many swear words as they could and then say as many neutral words as the could the people who could say more curse words could also say more neutral words.

      That does not show people who swear more have larger vocabulary, if you say fuck or cunt every second word doesn't mean you know a lot of swear words it may just mean you over use the ones you know.

    16. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only sincere actions are the ones that align with your own political views. Everything else is just virtue signalling. Nobody does anything nice or altruistic, it's all purely to show off.

      No. What makes an action "virtue signaling" is the fact that you brag about it.

      If you do something nice and brag about it, you are virtue signaling.

      If you do something nice and do not brag about it, you are not virtue signaling.

      My grandmother taught me that "True charity is anonymous". I never understood why until I had coworkers who could not stop talking about how charitable they were.

    17. Re:Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're judging people you don't know and assuming that their motivations in helping others are somehow not pure enough. Does it piss you off that others do good things for others while you sit on your ass and do nothing to help anyone but yourself? And what, really, did you accomplish with this post? Did it make you feel better about your own miserly, self-centered refusal to help others? Because it sure as hell isn't going to stop those of us who give a shit about others.

      Fuck you and everyone like you who wants the world to conform to their own uncaring, selfish, greedy ideals. The rest of us can and will do better.

    18. Re: Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Self-esteem post. Designed to make you feel better about you. People who truly care about others donâ(TM)t come online and shit on people they disagree with, because the disagreers are people too. I mean, what if you came to find out that the people you âoehelpedâ, held the same views as the person you just attacked and tried to make feel bad? Would you still help them, or would you shit on them? Neo-progressives only have empathy for those they agree with. Everyone else is dehumanized and gets no empathy. Thatâ(TM)s not a trait of truly caring people.

    19. Re: Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Virtue signalling'. Time to play RWNJ bingo again. Can I get a 'political correctness at it's worst' ? That'll complete the line.

    20. Re: Virtue Signaling at its best. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time someone uses the term "virtue signaling" you just KNOW they're human garbage. "Everyone HAS to be as fucking disgusting as me, right? So that means anytime anyone says or does anything that suggests otherwise (and consequently makes me feel bad in ways I don't talk about with the other MAGACHUDS), it's gotta just be for attention...right?"

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  10. Leading By Example by mentil · · Score: 0

    None of their efforts may 'save America' directly, but they're serving as an example of what should be done on a broader scale. It also reminds me of 'protest theater', where a protest is turned into a marvel designed to garner attention. Good on em.

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    1. Re:Leading By Example by Cederic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      they're serving as an example of what should be done on a broader scale

      Really? Get rich through invention, creativity and good marketing, then use other people's money to make grand gestures that benefit almost nobody?

      They come across as entrepreneurs turned pretentious pricks.

    2. Re:Leading By Example by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why should they be different than others who pretend to be "philanthropists" because they "gave" a fraction of a percent of their income to some investment disguised as a good deed?

      Mostly 'cause it gave them a tax break, anyway...

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    3. Re:Leading By Example by zabbey · · Score: 2

      They spend X amount of money on an eminent domain lawyer, the government spends 100 times that amount winning the lawsuit over a few years. There. Cost the taxpayers tons of money to prove no point.

    4. Re:Leading By Example by Cederic · · Score: 0

      Well, the primary difference is that most philanthropists at least put their own money where their mouth is.

      These guys asked everybody else to front the money.

    5. Re:Leading By Example by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      The lawsuits only have to hold off the wall for 3 years (maybe, God forbid, 7), until we get someone in office who'll drop it. In the end, they'll cost less than the wall, a net savings.

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    6. Re:Leading By Example by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The government wouldn't have to spend anything on lawyers. It's peculiar that they think hiring a lawyer who specializes in eminent domain would help matters when it's eminent domain that would cause such a case to be open-and-shut for the government. Regardless of how much CaH spends on their lawyers.

      Eminent domain enables the government, under certain conditions (which the plans for this wall would happen to easily satisfy), to appropriate absolutely any person's private property that is within their borders, with compensation to be determined by the court, and usually based only on assessed value, rather than on what the person may personally happen to want for such property. And there's dick-all that a person can do about it except take the money and go live elsewhere.

      If the government want this badly enough, they will get it... and it will not be anywhere nearly as expensive for them as the folks at CaH want it to be.... unless they are quite literally prepared to take the matter into full-on armed warfare where actual human lives will be lost.

    7. Re:Leading By Example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even worse for them: they bought the land for the express purpose of blocking the wall. They haven't improved the land for any sort of business. They aren't some historically important building. The government will pay them the same value Cards Against Humanity bought it for and the court will go along with it because no harm is being caused, at all.

    8. Re:Leading By Example by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      full-on armed warfare where actual human lives will be lost.

      Which is the purpose of the wall anyway - killing poor brown people.

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  11. BTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But how does this affect Bitcoin?

  12. They wanted to be generous... by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1

    Redistribution

    It'd be far easier to spend that money on an increased payout (such as $10k for the same 100 people) by forgoing the land expenses.

    "we purchased a plot of vacant land on the border and retained a law firm specializing in eminent domain to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for Trump to build his wall."

    Then the wall would end up being built around that plot, becoming prohibitively expensive to use.

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    1. Re:They wanted to be generous... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Build the wall up to the edge of that plot, then pass a new law saying property owners are legally and financially responsible for any illegal immigrant that they willingly allow to use their land as an entry point.

      Of course, the government will instead just sue the block of land-owners, and the case will be less difficult than the rest of the places where a family has "owned the land for 150 years".

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    2. Re:They wanted to be generous... by Megane · · Score: 1

      This. Besides, "the wall" should work rather like vaccine immunity. Holes don't matter so much as minimizing them. The fewer places there are to cross illegally, the easier it is to patrol them.

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    3. Re:They wanted to be generous... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Much simpler is to build the wall along the property line, so that these obstructive plots are on the Mexican side, with no access for the owners without crossing the border and coming in from the south. Then, make sure they pay all of the property taxes for the land they can't use.

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    4. Re:They wanted to be generous... by mark-t · · Score: 1
      I'm not sure why the government wouldn't just take the property, regardless of what owners want, compensatiing the owners based strictly on objectively assessed value, if they did not accept the initial financial offer.

      That is, after all, what eminent domain entails.

    5. Re:They wanted to be generous... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      That is non-lawyer-speak. They retained lawyers specializing in eminent domain so that common sense doesn't apply any more.

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    6. Re:They wanted to be generous... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      In America, there's nothing that can't be tied up by lawyers for decades. See SCO.

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    7. Re:They wanted to be generous... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Eminent domain didn't apply to SCO's case. It would here. Under certain kinds of circumstances, the government quite literally has the authority to appropriate whatever private property they want that is inside of its borders, compensating former owners only whatever value is deemed appropriate by the court, regardless of whatever value the owners might want. This is quite honestly open-and-shut here. The owners will likely be offered an initial sum by the government, and if the owners don't accept it, they could easily wind up getting far less if the court assesses the value at a lower rate.

      Look up eminent domain in the USA with a search engine.... you'll see what I mean.

  13. When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This SJW bullshit is like a cancer, making all of my favorite sites political.

    Why is this story here? News for nerds? Nope. Stuff that matters? Nope.

    BTW, Max Temkin, co-creator of Cards Against Humanity is facing multiple allegations of rape. He uses his wealth to threaten to sue his victims.

    1. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cancers don't appear for no reason. They're the result of years and years of constant exposure to toxic substances. In the case of U.S. society, these carcinogenic agents have been the hords of primitive supersticious inbred redneck retards that crawl all over the red states like cockroaches, trying to spread their primitive tribal disgusting sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, and anti-science culture to the rest of the world like a fucking disease. Things like teaching fucking creationism in schools as if it was actual science, or the concerted, organized effort to discredit and destroy every research and researcher connected with climate change, just to name a few.

      You mean just like the guy that fucking inbred retards like yourself willingly, freely and knowingly elected President of the Fucking United States?

      Face it, retard. YOU created the problem of SJWs. With your primitive, tribal, superstitious prehistoric culture and values, you created the conditions for their emergence.

      And there you have it, folks. The hate-filled blue-state holier-than-thou SJW social cancer, distilled to its essence, with the hatey-est hate bolded and misspellings italicized.

    2. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Typical republitard intellectual dishonesty and corruption. Purposely ignore all the content of your adversery's argument and concentrate only on the form. In other words: Don't like the message ? Shoot the messenger ! Problem solved !

      Oh and don't forget to highlight all the hatefull parts of the adversary's message, while completely ignoring the hatefull parts of the message the adversary was replying to, like "SJW libtard", "SJW bullshit" and "cancer". So only right-wingers are allowed to use hatefull language ? Is that what you're saying ?

      Yes, "libtard" message is full of hate. But hate breeds hate, and the hate the left has for the right is only in response to the right's culturaly ingrained hatred that they've been spreading all over for CENTURIES. Hatred of blacks. Hatred of women. Hatred of everyone that's not a white christian conservative english speaking man. Hatred of science. Christianity is supposed to be all about charity, compassion, understanding, humility, forgiveness, peace and love. And yet, christians always seem to be the most condescending, jugemental, condemning, finger-pointing, war-loving, pro-death-penalty, hatefull people I've ever known.

      Since I'm convinced you will simply ignore my arguments and focus only on the form again, this is my last reply. There's no use in wresling with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

    3. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You have it exactly backwards. Reality-averse conservatives have been trying to take over this site for about the past year and a half. The whole Right Wing Echo Chamber has moved in and set up shop.

      Your comment reminds me of those Christians who rant about "keeping Christ in Christmas" while they blithely ignore the fact that Christians stole the holiday. Even the most devout biblical scholars acknowledge there is absolutely no way Jesus was born anywhere near that time of year.

      So I'm sorry to correct you, but you are 100% wrong.

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    4. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you expands on "multiple allegations". I found one dating from 2014 where he denied any improper conduct.

    5. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have it exactly backwards. Reality-averse conservatives have been trying to take over this site for about the past year and a half. The whole Right Wing Echo Chamber has moved in and set up shop.

      This site's tag-line is "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters."

      You may think social Justice issues are "stuff that matters", but they are clearly not "News for Nerds".

      It is a big internet. There are hundreds of sites you could go to if you want to talk politics. Why do you feel the need to change the subject of this site? If someone asks you to stay on topic, why do you presume it is a "Right Wing Echo Chamber"?

    6. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love that you faggot nazi snowflakes can't handle it. Bitches.

    7. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by LiquidAvatar · · Score: 2

      Goddamn politics and the jerks who derail conversations by introducing them where they're not warranted. I hate it when I'm looking for a discussion about an art project that focuses on income inequality, but I find ad hominem attacks against the guy who runs the company that made the project. As we all know, the personal flaws of a single leader at a company taint everything that that company does, meaning that the company can never produce anything of value.

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    8. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree completely. The SJW movement is dead with a few dangling berries hanging on in denial. This post is sponsored humble-brag marketing by a group of people on the losing side of history who can't face that reality.

    9. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by hyades1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Claims that Slashdot is being politicized by anybody except conservatives are at best disingenuous, at worst, outright dishonest. For example, the entire scientific world agrees that Global Warming is real, it's happening now with devastating consequences for the planet, and it's caused by humans. Reporting on current research about the subject and technology-driven efforts to become more environmentally responsible generally are obviously well within Slashdot's terms of reference. Yet every time GW is referenced, we have to endure a shitstorm of comments from conservatives who are either deluded or dishonest, or both, who keep trying to claim there's some kind of political agenda behind reporting on reality.

      Sorry, but you don't get to mis-define Slashdot's terms of reference to suit your political agenda, then try to claim everybody but you is the cause of a problem you created. I'll grant that you've come up with an interesting new application of the No True Scotsman logical fallacy, though. Well done.

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    10. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. Slashdot twenty years ago would launch an all-out rebellion against the community of Slashdot today. My guess is that the actual userbase hasn't changed, they've just grown older and more conservative, on top of some selection bias from lefties heading off to other places like Reddit.

      I actually stopped reading the comments on Slashdot for a few years because it's almost nothing but hard-right screeching on every article, political or not. Not sure why I ventured in this time.

    11. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess it all depends on your bias. Fortunately, yours comes out in full colors so it's easy to make that observation.

    12. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This SJW bullshit is like a cancer, making all of my favorite sites political."

      Kill yourself. Seriously. You're depressed, and you're lashing out. No one likes you, especially yourself.

      -Yourself, probably

    13. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree with you, Wired is the same they make up facts or omit any facts that don't support their agenda. All of this BS has nothing to do with tech.

    14. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You the one completely full of shit. This reminds me why we can't just go to work and do our jobs, but each month we have to have some form of culture training and told to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. It's ok for any other religion or culture as long as it's not American. So fuck you.

    15. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW libtard? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Your comment reminds me of those Christians who rant about "keeping Christ in Christmas"

      What I don't get is why Christians celebrate the (alleged) birth of a strictly observant Jew? Regardless of the specific date.

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  14. Re:Into the toilet by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    That comment about Canada, is actually what concerns me most about liberal politics.
    They are poor people all over the world who are suffering. Some may not have the resources to manage the bureaucracy of a government healthcare system. This indicates if they have services available they will be fine, which is far from the truth. And sounds like we are trying to dump all the worlds problems on policy changes vs caring about other people.
    Rules and policies are more or less are designed to take the poor people out of our view vs doing anything to help them.
    Now we need good safety nets and protection policy to help keep people out of poverty but we need people to be engaged to the problems that will still exist.

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  15. Re:Into the toilet by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

    You already paid him, that's what's important.

  16. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Even Wil Wheaton supported Max Tempkin

    You mean Wil "cheated on his wife with young actresses" Wheaton? I'm shocked!

    It's so absurd. All these massive virtue signallers who accuse others of all kinds of vile things turn out to be the ones doing them. And yet they are heralded as the "good guys".

  17. Build around it. by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1

    Just as there are signs in Arizona effectively declaring miles of land to be "at your own risk", one could easily get around the parcel by building around the land. No different than building around a mountain or river.

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    1. Re:Build around it. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm not interested with the they will handle rivers that are half in Mexico and half in the US. The border runs down the middle.

      Can't build in the middle very easily, but I suppose it's technically possible at great expense and ruining the river habitat. Can't build on the Mexican side, obviously. If you build on the US side you effectively ceed the river to Mexico.

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    2. Re:Build around it. by Bartles · · Score: 1

      No one is suggesting, other than you, that it is necessary to build a wall on a natural border.

    3. Re:Build around it. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      So what is the plan, cede the land to Mexico? Because if you build the wall close to the border and make it unpassable, it's gonna be pretty difficult to stop Mexicans on the other side simply using it as their own.

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    4. Re: Build around it. by Bartles · · Score: 1

      The river is the wall. The border runs down the middle.

    5. Re: Build around it. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Piranha fish!

      The real answer is EU style work papers and fines for employers. The wetbacks will go home on their own when they can't find work.

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    6. Re: Build around it. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Drug dealers don't need no stinkin' papers.

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    7. Re: Build around it. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Dealers/smugglers provide a useful service. Walls have zero chance of effecting that commerce anyhow. They can't even keep drugs out of maximum security prisons.

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    8. Re: Build around it. by Bartles · · Score: 1

      I agree. No work, and no welfare, is pretty much the most effective way. But it's full of holes if there's no enforcement.

    9. Re:Build around it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't build in the middle very easily, but I suppose it's technically possible at great expense and ruining the river habitat.

      Not even possible, it'd inevitably disrupt the flow of the river, and the International Boundary and Water Commission is charged with preventing that, and since the the 1970 Boundary Treaty, billions have been spent "rectifying" the river's course to fit certain criteria.

      Besides, the real problem with the idea of a wall is the massive amounts of commerce that occur over the border, that's why the Wall is wasted effort.

  18. Sweet! by DaMattster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the best way to thwart a government. Non-violent, meaningful action works very well against tyrannical governments. History has two big prominent examples: Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Any actions that we can take to stop the Tump Bully Machine are good ones.

    1. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stupid hippies strike back. With libturd propaganda and bullshit selection of hippies who will receive checks. Most likely those checks have been assigned to bogus hippies, while some ponzi scammer libturd cheerleader embezzled all the money. LOL serves you well, stupid hippies.

    2. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And MLK sure liked to fuck other women that weren't wife! I'm up for that too!

    3. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try to make sense you dumbass.

    4. Re:Sweet! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Government is necessary, and our government in particular should not be feared. The US government is made up of US citizens, duh? Why would I fear my fellow citizens? And I can point to boatloads of good our government has done. Were mistakes made? Of course they were. Nothing is perfect, but I'm still not crying out for it to be torn down, nor do I fear it.

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    5. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you never live to see a true tyrannical government.

    6. Re:Sweet! by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"This is the best way to thwart a government. Non-violent, meaningful action works very well against tyrannical governments."

      The summary looks like it is just a bunch of Socialists whining, to me. The main problem with government, especially the Fed, is that it is way, way, way too big.

      As now typical, it seems almost every day there has to be some kind of political article on Slashdot that has little or nothing to do with technology or "news for nerds."

    7. Re: Sweet! by dfenstrate · · Score: 1

      "Non-violent, meaningful action works very well against tyrannical governments. History has two big prominent examples: Gandhi and Martin Luther King. "
      That's plain wrong. Gandhi and MLK argued against basically moral governments that needed to do certain things better.
      Try being Gandhi or MLK in Stalin's Russia, North Korea, Iran, or any number of other places, and you get slaughtered before more than 20 people know your name.
      Trump' s no tyrant. Literally no one is afraid of speaking out against him in any forum.

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    8. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did over fifty years of the United States government being one of the major forces of evil in the world entirely go past you?

    9. Re: Sweet! by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Try being Gandhi or MLK in Stalin's Russia, North Korea, Iran, or any number of other places, and you get slaughtered before more than 20 people know your name.

      I read a story a few years back that speculated about what would happen with Gandhi if Germany had won WWII, and taken Britain's territories as spoils of war.

      It didn't turn out good for Gandhi.

      Just googled it, turns out to be The Last Article by Harry Turtledove, 1988.

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    10. Re: Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a true scotsman.

    11. Re:Sweet! by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      He's an American. The version of history those poor bastards are taught has very little to do with reality.

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    12. Re:Sweet! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you're confused, Martin Luther King didn't give anyone rights, the Republicans in government at the time did (and the traditional southern gentry type Democrats opposed it)

    13. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government is necessary, and our government in particular should not be feared.

      The Founding Fathers of America held the opposite view.

    14. Re:Sweet! by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      You're confused, because Kennedy and especially LBJ (who did the most for civil rights in response to MLK) were democrats. The fact that LBJ gave people their rights is the whole reason why the south flipped.

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    15. Re:Sweet! by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You're confused, because Kennedy and especially LBJ (who did the most for civil rights in response to MLK) were democrats. The fact that LBJ gave people their rights is the whole reason why the south flipped.

      You're confused, rights (for the most part) are inherent. If something's given to you, it's an entitlement.

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    16. Re:Sweet! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      History has two big prominent examples: Gandhi and Martin Luther King.

      Ghandi succeeded in peacefully decolonising the nation of India from the British Empire ? I thought that he failed because immediately on separation there was one of the biggest bouts of ethnic cleansing in recorded history, and the schism of the nation into three (currently, possibly 4 or 5 eventually) separate nations. Certainly, he considered it a failure - that's why he went through ll those fasts to try to stop people killing other people because of their religions - and failed.

      Martin Luther King succeeded in emancipating the blacks of America from white political and economic oppression? That's not the news we're seeing in Europe. Do you have different news sources in America?

      Or did you enclose the [sarcasm] tags in [invisible] tags?

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  19. Re:Misanthropy by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    How is this any more communist then wealthy republicans donating to their causes?
    Actually the republicans donate more money then democrats do, often to help the poor and charities.
    It’s their money they can use it to buy a solid gold toilet or they can buy land to try to stop the government from spending money on a symbol to say we don’t like brown people.

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  20. Project Mayhem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cards against humanity should change their name to Project Mayhem

    1. Re:Project Mayhem by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      and include a free bar of pink soap with every game?

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  21. Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure they've really thought this through.

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    1. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If they want that, go to Europe.

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    2. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure they've really thought this through.

      Care for everyone's needs and eliminate one of the biggest things we fight over? What a horrible place that would make the world!

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    3. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have free stuff for poor people but no borders, all the world's poor will arrive to get their free stuff. If you raise taxes on the rich to pay for it all your rich people will leave to avoid them. If you print money to pay for it you end up like Zimbabwe or Venezuela. Or most of South America for that matter. Most of those countries are poor because they had governments that pursued economically illiterate 'free stuff for the masses, screw the rich' policies.

      As Milton Friedman observed "It's just obvious you can't have free immigration and a welfare state".

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    4. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you have free stuff for poor people but no borders, all the world's poor will arrive to get their free stuff.

      That's why you feed them at home. Foreign aid programs are often corrupt, but they're a sound concept.

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    5. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

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    6. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The point is, your home keeps getting more mouths to feed, and your ability to feed them won't scale.

    7. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by j0uSt · · Score: 0

      they are muppets.. of course they haven't thought this through!

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    8. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rich (or at least their money) are ALREADY GONE. They never wanted to pay their share, and never have. If you tax the new money they earn in your country - regardless of where that money is going to - you'd have enough to raise the standard of living for everyone else significantly.

    9. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      foreign aid disrupts their local markets, so we dump our surplus agricultural product there for free, the farmers no longer have a marker and farming is unsustainable, farming industry never materializes, worst still, some farmer must now grow drugs because it is the only viable cash crop, since USAID killed the local economy. Funny that we have anti dumping laws, but ur solution to the worlds poverty is to shit all over 3rd world economies before they have a chance to establish themseleves because you have no fucking clue what you're doing because you haven't given it the slightest bit of thought, and/or are ignorant of whats happened in the last 30-40 years. captc ha: ECONOMY

    10. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Informative

      The top 1% pay 27% of taxes now, compared to 15% in 1979 when tax rates were higher. Meanwhile their share of income has increased from 9% to 18%

      http://www.factcheck.org/2008/...

      And the top 10% pay 72.7% of income taxes and 54.7% of all Federal taxrs. E.g. see page 7 here.

      https://cbo.gov/sites/default/...

      The top 20%, i.e. highest quintile, pay 86.3% of all income tax and 68.7% of all Federal taxes.

      On the previous page you can see how the effective tax rate rises with income quintile, i.e. from 4% to 25%.

      So how are the rich, at least the ones who remain, not paying their fair share?

      And of course given that it's highly rational for people who are US taxpayers to stop being US tax payers by giving up citizenship. And for people who aren't US taxpayers to avoid become US taxpayers at all cost.

      I.e. in general the US's progressive tax system is an incentive for rich people to avoid becoming US citizens or lose that citizenship if they have it.

      Meanwhile the US benefits system, sloppy enforcement of immigration rules and easy availability of fake Social Security Numbers to allow illegal immigrants to claim benefits.

      That's the problem with the left. Their intentions are good but they don't understand incentives. And if you get incentives wrong you won't get the result you want. See for example South American countries who ended up dirt poor despite electing politicians who had similarly good intentions to help the poor and tax the rich. And the end result was that you have countries like Venezuela and Cuba that would be pretty rich under a government that was only as bad as the US one. Actually the government is far worse and those countries are so poor people flee them for pretty much anywhere else.

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    11. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Uh, if I lived in the third world and I had these options

      1) Rely on my government to give me free stuff, paid for by generous foreign aid.

      2) End up in a refugee camp where I get free stuff via the corrupt UN or some corrupt NGO, paid for by foreign aid.

      3) Head for a US which has opened its borders.

      I'd pick 3) in a heartbeat. If all I want is aid then I'm basically cutting out the middleman. A middleman I know to be corrupt which means they'll squirrel away that foreign money in various ways and not give it to its intended recipients. And if I want either me or my children to work, the US is a better bet.

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    12. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not building a useless wall is not the same thing as not having borders.

    13. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Here's a graph of the number of illegal immigrants crossing the Hungarian border. Guess what happened on the 18th of October?

      http://media.breitbart.com/med...

      Here's a graph of suicide attacks before and after the border fence. Suicide bombers being a particularly unwelcome form of illegal immigrant.

      https://www.jewishvirtuallibra...

      It's insane that foreigners need to go through multiple checks if they enter the US at an airport or port but if they walk across the border no one even knows who they are or what they're carrying.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/new...

      The only reason this is even controversial in US politics is because the Democrats know Hispanics vote 70%:30% for them and so they know letting in more Hispanics makes it easier for them to win.

      They've even let illegals vote in CA thanks to the Motor Voter law. And if anyone objects the Democrats can call them 'racist'.

      https://leginfo.legislature.ca...

      Existing law makes it a crime for a person to willfully cause, procure, or allow himself or herself or any other person to be registered as a voter, knowing that he or she or that other person is not entitled to registration. Existing law also makes it a crime to fraudulently vote or attempt to vote.

      This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person's registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person's registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.

      Plus of course illegals force down wages, and that helps the sort of companies who donate to the Democrats. I.e. they've decided that open borders is in their long term interest. And in their short term interest due to things like Motor Voter. And if anyone objects the Dems can call them 'racist'. I.e. it's in the Dems interest to have open borders. And not have a border wall.

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    14. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      What is the "fair share" for the rich? Define "rich", and define "fair share" - otherwise you're just repeating a useless mantra...

      PS: you do know that the US has claim to tax on EVERY PENNY you earn everywhere in the world, right? That it is the only industrialized nation to do so; if you are a German, you do not pay German income taxes on earnings in China. If you are French, you do not pay French income taxes on earnings in Brazil. But if you're an American, you pay US income taxes on every penny you earned, no matter what the jurisdiction.

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    15. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      People farming 5-10 acres are doomed anyhow. They survive nowhere in the modern world.

      Increasing the average farm plot size should be a goal.

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    16. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Trump... Hitler!

    17. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your links are from 2008 and 2007, a bit stale, I'd say.

    18. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      In 2014 the top 20% paid 84% of income tax. So it hadn't changed much by then.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/t...

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    19. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Unless you're an American citizen living in Puerto Rico, then you don't pay federal income tax at all.

      Been wondering, what's the legal requirement to become a Puerto Rican? Better than giving up your citizenship, especially if you don't have to actually live in the shithole.

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    20. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably have to spend a majority of the year in Puerto Rico. That is the norm for tax purposes. It is why many Hollywood types have homes elsewhere and pay attention to keep from spending too many days in California.

    21. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The top 1% pay 27% of taxes now, compared to 15% in 1979 when tax rates were higher. Meanwhile their share of income has increased from 9% to 18%

      So how are the rich, at least the ones who remain, not paying their fair share?

      Well, your numbers indicate their share of income doubled and their tax burden less than doubled, so that sounds like some fairly regressive taxation policy. Talking about the percentage of taxes paid by a percentage of the people is incredibly dishonest. Taxes are paid on income; what percentage of taxes were paid by people who control X% of the income is the right question to be asking. By those numbers, 27% of the tax burden is on the top 18% of the income. Without more numbers its unclear how fair that is, but it doesn't sound like there's much of a tax premium on being rich (and therefore being much more able to afford taxes and having gained much more from having a functioning government).

    22. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have free stuff for poor people but no borders, all the world's poor will arrive to get their free stuff.

      That's why you feed them at home. Foreign aid programs are often corrupt, but they're a sound concept.

      That doesn't address the problem. You still need to tax the people in your own country to give free food to the poor people in other places.

    23. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the problem with the left. Their intentions are good but they don't understand incentives. And if you get incentives wrong you won't get the result you want.

      This is the most insightful thing I have read in a long time.

      I wish the progressives I know would try to take actions to make the world a better place. I don't mean writing a check. I mean coming up with a plan, doing the work, and succeeding or failing financially based on the results. For example, they could start a co-op in Haiti which fixes roads and water distribution systems. They could take a job in a failing school and try to raise test scores among students at risk of dropping out. They could start an IT consultancy which makes hiring female programmers a top priority. I suspect that this would make them understand that incentives matter.

    24. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by youngone · · Score: 2

      Most of those countries are poor because they had governments that pursued economically illiterate 'free stuff for the masses, screw the rich' policies.

      Well, to be fair when Chile tried that in 1973 the CIA murdered the President.
      When Hondurans tried, American troops murdered a whole bunch of them so that bananas would be cheap.
      So, maybe you're wrong.

    25. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy a Syrian passport. They go for about 750 bucks. Once you are here, you will have earned that back in a month. And again the next month, and again the month aftr that, ad infinitum.

    26. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That doesn't address the problem. You still need to tax the people in your own country to give free food to the poor people in other places.

      We're taxing them to pay people not to grow things right now. That's a useful thing to do, because it preserves production capacity. But why not use it?

      We waste something like 50% of the food we produce. That can be improve dramatically, if we only try. Why not do that?

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    27. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      . For example, they could start a co-op in Haiti which fixes roads and water distribution systems. They could take a job in a failing school and try to raise test scores among students at risk of dropping out. They could start an IT consultancy which makes hiring female programmers a top priority.

      I listened to an interesting interview with Peter Tatchell today.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/programme...

      Tatchell is a gay rights campaigner. He's been beaten up by the NF and BNP and by Mugabe's thugs when he attempted a citizen's arrest of Mugabe over Mugabe's anti gay policies.

      And he's also been called a racist, homophobe, transphobe etc by lefty Twitter cunts. As Brendan O'Neill put it modern activism consists of ranting on Twitter and 'getting an Uber into town to shout at a working class Trump supporter'. The problem with the SJW left is that their activism doesn't cost them anything, and they don't have any principles.

      Tatchell was very against no platforming people and trying to censor them. He wants his ideological opponents to debate him and lose. The lefty Twitter cunts just want to signal how virtuous they are with no costs to themselves. Which is why they won't do anything which means they have to leave their bubble of privilege. So instead they shout abuse at people like Tatchell - calling them transphobes for standing up to free speech for transphobes for example.

      As Libby Purves observed

      http://theafterword.co.uk/virt...

      "The most savage, bilious, self-righteous rants are from people living affluent self-pleasing lives in comfortable homes, doing lucky and rewarding jobs with like-minded friends. What they are doing (I risk losing a friend or two) is "virtue-signalling": competing to seem compassionate. Few are notably open-handed: St Matthew would need a rewrite of Chapter 19. "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast and give to the poor. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. So he went on Twitter instead and called Michael Gove a 'vile reptilian evil tory scumbag', and linked to a cartoon of Iain Duncan Smith stealing a paralysed woman's wheelchair. And lo, he felt better and went for a £3.50 caramel macchiato with some mates from the BBC"

      Their activism is empty. And they have no principles.

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    28. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tards against humanity is purely in this for attention and profit. They just placed their bet on the losing side and are doubling down on the SJW turd machine, hoping to make some mercy dollars.

    29. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are so many ways around your tax on EVERY PENNY statement, and all begin with this simple step: Create a fake business.

    30. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Typically you need to spend 11 months (well, 330+ days) in a foreign land/territory to be considered "overseas" from a tax standpoint. Then you just get an exemption on paying income taxes on the first $100K you make; you pay full US income taxes from that point on, even if you also pay taxes in the foreign nation. AND time spent in/over international waters does not count. So if you're willing to live outside the US for 330+ days a year, and make less than $100K, then you're OK. Otherwise - you pay income tax (and the rate starts at the $100K point, so right off you're going to see a $20,000 tax bill).

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    31. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      So in exchange for the wall we're going to get socialism? Glad to hear it.

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    32. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      The reason not to ship American food to poor countries is that it puts all the poor country's local farmers out of business, leaving the country you're "helping" worse off than before you "helped".

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    33. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The reason not to ship American food to poor countries is that it puts all the poor country's local farmers out of business, leaving the country you're "helping" worse off than before you "helped".

      So you work with the country to transition their farmers to some other crop when you displace one. You're acting like these are insurmountable problems. They are not.

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    34. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      American citizens living in Puerto Rico _don't_ pay federal income tax. I'm just considering getting a mail drop there and lying a bit.

      Where the 10-99s originate might be a problem though.

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    35. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course he's wrong, but no amount of history or evidence can convince a propagandized right winger. Luckily they are in the extreme minority outside of the US, so we can still just laugh at them and not give them jobs they are incapable of performing anyway.

    36. Re:Free stuff for poor people + No Borders by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      See, the issue is what the IRS considers living somewhere. You need to live in PR for 11 months a year to not pay Federal Income tax. Meaning - 330+ days in PR or it doesn't count. You very well may be able to pull it off! If, however, you are caught don't expect the IRS to go lightly as having a mail drop and claiming to be a resident when not meeting the requirements of residency will mean all kinds of nasty penalties and taxes.

      A better approach may be to create an offshore corporation - not an LLC - that exists in a low-tax domicile. LLCs have the "pleasure" of profits flowing through to the owners from a tax standpoint, meaning you are personally liable for income tax of your LLC. But a corporation (C corp) has no such flow through. The profits can be retained overseas, and you are liable only for the profits you choose to withdraw yourself. The rest stays inside the corporation, and probably pays a little corporate income tax wherever it is located. This can range from low (HK and Singapore are around 17%; Ireland is at 12.5%) to zero (British Virgin Islands, Turks and Caicos, etc).

      Dominica is one of my favorites. In addition to a 25% corporate tax rate on Dominca-sourced income only (meaning income sourced outside of Dominica is tax exempt), they also offer a "buy a citizenship" for $175,000. You can have a legal second passport, recognized in all other countries (Dominica is a member of the UN), and can get it in a second name if so desired (after becoming a citizen, you can legally change your name in Dominica, resulting in a legal passport in a different name). So a great shelter, a great and easy way to get a second passport, and a great way to make that second "identity" basically untraceable.

      My second favorite is Hong Kong. Whilst its tax rate is nominally 17%, that is only for income earned in the territory of Hong Kong; income earned outside of Hong Kong is untaxed. Hong Kong is also the de-facto financial hub of Asia, a fabulous country, stable laws, English law based, English language based, and easy to commute to and from. Wonderful international banking, strong legal protections, low to zero effective tax rate, and never thought of as a "tax shelter" (unlike some of the other places listed). Singapore would be a close third. However, if the attraction of a second passport is not that high for you, then I would move HK to number one, SG to number 2, and Dominica to number 3 (it being less tarnished as "tax haven/drug lord driven" like Bermudas, BVI, Isle of Man, Jersey, Seychelles, and many others).

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  22. Truthful Title by SSonnentag · · Score: 0

    At least they know and admit their organization works against humanity. What a bunch of idiots.

    1. Re:Truthful Title by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Richer idiots than you, apparently

      Snicker

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  23. Re:Misanthropy by polar+red · · Score: 1

    >Actually the republicans donate more money then democrats do, often to help the poor and charities.

    really where are the numbers ? And relatively more or absolutely more ?

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  24. First Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My alternative facts say this is the first post. All my friends say it is the firstiest Post they have ever seen. That rocket man is one bad hombre. There has never been a more fristy post.

    #MAGA #TRUMP2018

  25. Re:Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Liberals would rather have massive Latino immigration rather than leveling the playing field with African and Asian immigration, who are mostly following the legal path. The wall would give more equal access to all, liberals don't want 'all', they was illegals living in the shadows so they can run their fear campaign.

  26. Out of the 44 comments here so far... by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 0

    All you can see is liberal Troll Tags :-P (Guess we know who runs/own this site)

    1. Re:Out of the 44 comments here so far... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeh, darn realities left wing bias.

  27. Re:Into the toilet by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is what happens when you try to play politics instead of minding your own fucking business.

    I toss you into the toilet.

    In a democracy, politics is every fucking citizen's fucking business. Not minding it leads to Trump and similar catastrophes, controlled by those that do mind....

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  28. Re:Into the toilet by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Liberals would rather have massive Latino immigration rather than leveling the playing field with African and Asian immigration, who are mostly following the legal path.

    Have you been looking to Europe lately, where they have exactly that?

    Do you REALLY think that's better?

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  29. Re:Unfortunate timing by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    You mean the ones crying the loudest about morals are also the worst offenders? It's almost like they're just like the right wing religious nutjobs that get caught cheating on their wife with some guy in a public toilet...

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  30. Re:Unfortunate timing by zabbey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a "he said, she said" situation, how come "I feel like I was assaulted" is more valid than "I feel like I didn't assault you"?

  31. Re:Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A pure democracy will never work as there will always be way too many idiots wanting to tinker with the engine of civilization. They have no idea what a intake valve or piston is for, and they have protests about the unfair treatment of the bacteria trapped in the air filter.

  32. It was nice to the shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It really was a peach to the owners to get free advertising and increase sales. That's a very sweet and charming thing to do.

    Oh wait, aren't we supposed to hate corporations? What a terrible progressive dilemma

    1. Re: It was nice to the shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't actually mke sense. Roughly Half of the people believe as you do, and the other half the opposite, according to the us vote

      This stunt wound up pissing off people like you while some were ingratiated. It'll balance itself out real fast.

    2. Re: It was nice to the shareholders by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      It's not a corporation. It's a privately held company.

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  33. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we shaming homosexuals now? Trying to keep up with progressive values is so confusing these days.

  34. Re: Into the toilet by Nidi62 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Even the Berlin wall, with its armed guards and minefields, couldn't keep East Germans put of West Germany (Well, really keep them in East Germany). Walls don't work, and neither will Trumps.

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  35. Re: Into the toilet by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Um, that's idiotic. I am totally against building a wall, but the Berlin wall was extremely effective. But Germany is tiny compared to what Trump is proposing.

  36. Re:Into the toilet by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 2

    A pure democracy will never work as there will always be way too many idiots wanting to tinker with the engine of civilization. They have no idea what a intake valve or piston is for, and they have protests about the unfair treatment of the bacteria trapped in the air filter.

    Let me rephrase for people who prefer non-constructively narrow readings: In a republic ("if you can keep it", with apologies to Ben Franklin), politics is every fucking citizen's fucking business. Not minding it leads to Trump and similar catastrophes, controlled by those that do mind....

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  37. Re:Unfortunate timing by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

    Because as Lena Dunham said, we always believe the accusers in these situations.

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  38. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how long does he need to wait before he is allowed to do anything else? Forever? Until he admits he did what ever she says regardless of what actually happened?

  39. Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost More by Kneo24 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can't bitch about the government not having enough money to pay for healthcare, and then in the same breath proudly claim you're doing things to cost the government more money.

  40. FTA about exactly this by doug141 · · Score: 5, Informative

    FAQ: I’m poor and I’m mad that I didn’t get any money.

    "Our bad. We had to guess how much money you had with limited data. The US government actually knows how much money you have and has trillions of dollars to redistribute. Why don’t you get mad at the US government?"

    1. Re:FTA about exactly this by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      Why doesn't everyone just hire a former Senator, Congress-person or staffer to lobby for them to get some sweet Government money?? Oh, right, that's what the voting is supposed to be about? A pity someone else's money currently counts more than your vote in so many cases. You might want to get on that...

    2. Re:FTA about exactly this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the US government BORROWS trillions of dollars. Eventually the people the government borrows from will decide that redistributing their money is a terrible investment.

  41. Re: Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here we see an idiot in its native habitat.

  42. Confused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A quick search suggests you are confusing wil wheaton with joss whedon.

    1. Re:Confused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah my bad. You're right, I got the two confused.

  43. Re:Unfortunate timing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    You can read it without logging in here: http://webcache.googleusercont...

    Her response here: http://webcache.googleusercont...

    I don't think we can draw any conclusions from this. She offers no details and no-one else has come forward with similar experiences or corroboration. Since she has chosen to not take the matter up with any authority and Tempkin has decided not to sue, we will likely never get any investigation or facts.

    This is why it is so important that those in authority are approachable, that they believe those who come to them, and that they handle the matter properly. Otherwise this is what we get, court of the internet trials with literally zero evidence.

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  44. Re:Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Liberals would rather have massive Latino immigration rather than leveling the playing field with African and Asian immigration, who are mostly following the legal path.

    Have you been looking to Europe lately, where they have exactly that?

    Do you REALLY think that's better?

    Yes I have looked at Europe and it's not like that at all. Hundreds of thousands of "refugees" are coming in each year and public services are struggling to bear the weight, even in socialist paradises like Sweden where firefighters and ambulances need police escorts to even enter some neighborhoods.

  45. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1

  46. Re:Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same as it ever was! https://www.facebook.com/thelegacyofmusic/videos/1942019305815892/

  47. Poor? Poor choices perhaps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If youâ(TM)re that hard up for money why waste $15 on a convoluted expansion to a card game.

    Bonus points were given to people who smoke because thereâ(TM)s a correlation between smoking and being poor. Unsurprising thereâ(TM)s a correlation; itâ(TM)s an expensive habit that provides no value to the smoker.

    So letâ(TM)s redistribute money to people who will frivolously spend it on cancer sticks and card games knowing they have bigger problems. Makes sense.

  48. Wow by rey2 · · Score: 1

    Who runs this company the DNC? I guess they don't care about selling to half the country. They should change their name, "Cards against conservatism".

    1. Re:Wow by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      "I guess they don't care about selling to half the country. They should change their name, 'Cards against conservatism' ".

      That would be the half of the country that either has no money, no sense of humour, or both. Why should they waste time and effort trying to sell to people who wouldn't buy the game anyway?

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    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, they just want to sell to the half that can actually understand the game.

    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's the impression you get, you need to re-evaluate your life.

  49. Re: Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are some serious moobs.

  50. Re:Into the toilet by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

    The National Health Service in the UK is far from perfect, and in fact is in serious trouble as many of the foreign staff it relies on are leaving due to Brexit... But none the less, I'd take it over any private system in the world.

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  51. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Actually the republicans donate more money then democrats do, often to help the poor and charities.

    really where are the numbers ? And relatively more or absolutely more ?

    Better yet, what's the effectiveness of their charitable spending.? And what's the spending really on?

    Because you know, those Conservatives often have their charities being less than perfect.

    Not to mention that Hobby Lobby business. Which the usual suspects defended.

  52. Re:Unfortunate timing by El+Cubano · · Score: 1

    but we know now from Weinstien, Franken, Laurer, and all the rest that the loudest voices for women are always the worst offenders.

    You mean the ones crying the loudest about morals are also the worst offenders? It's almost like they're just like the right wing religious nutjobs that get caught cheating on their wife with some guy in a public toilet...

    Which goes to show that on all sides of the political spectrum, the sorts of people who get into politics, especially national politics, are possessed of a type of narcissistic self-superiority that exempts them form the very things they try to force on others.

    There are plenty of good hard-working liberals who just think that what they do, who they marry, and who immigrates into the US shouldn't really trouble the government very much, just like there are plenty of hard-working conservatives who think that where they go to church, how many guns they own, and how much money they make shouldn't trouble the government very much.

    But then you have liberals who advocate taxing the "rich" (which is easy for people like the Clintons to advocate, for example, when the bulk of their money goes through their foundation, and also easy for people with family to advocate since the taxes under discussion always on income, not on wealth), or granting legal status to illegal immigrants (all the while taking advantage of their illegal status to pay them below poverty wages and otherwise take advantage of them). And you also have conservatives crusading for morality while living secret lives awash in the very sins they publicly condemn, and claiming to want to reward hard-working people while perpetuating a crony-capitalist oligarchy.

    Either way, the point is that it is par for the course for politicians in general. I am not sure how to fix it, but term limits might be a good start. And not just term limits on a particular office, but something like a 10 year limit on serving in any federal elected office and the same thing for state-level office. I'm not sure what else might work, but as the electorate we have to do something.

    We have to quit with the "this person is despicable but I am going to support them anyway because of how much worse I think the other party's person is." That crazy thing about the US 2016 presidential election is that it seems like there were more people voting for Clinton to vote against Trump and more people voting for Trump to vote against Clinton than people that voted in actual support of the candidate for whom they cast their vote. Think about what that says of our political system and our society.

  53. Never a better example... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...of the very, very fine line between clever and stupid.

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  54. Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A while back I heard about RollingJubilee.org. They purchase debt on the secondary market (did you know there is a secondary market for individual debt? I didn't know that before hearing of this group) for a small fraction of its face value and then forgive it. This includes lots of student loan and medical debt in particular.

    It so happens that this ends up being about as non-biased in its selection of debt as you can be, as well - the debts are bundled (like mortgages) which has the result of the group never knowing whose debt they are purchasing when they purchase it (until after they have it). Have you ever had a collections agency call you about an overdue debt? At that point your debt has already been sold at least once on a secondary market. This group comes in after that point to buy the debts that the first collections agencies have given up on. These debts are still valid when they buy them; they are legally entitled to collect on their full value if they want but instead they contact the debtors and forgive them.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 4, Informative

      In June 2016 John Oliver bought up $15M of medical debt and forgave it. There's details and a clip in this Guardian article.

    2. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by doctorvo · · Score: 0

      "John Oliver, champion of wealthy doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and excessive medical costs in America."

    3. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing that. That show took advantage of the same principle, in purchasing the $15M of medical debt for around $60k.

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    4. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

      "John Oliver, champion of wealthy doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and excessive medical costs in America."

      [citation needed]

      Counter citation: John Oliver buys $15M in medical debt, then forgives it. Is he perfect? No. But if you want to claim that he is the opposite of what the citation shows him doing then please be so kind as to give a reason for someone to think you didn't just pull that line out of your own posterior.

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    5. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      interesting i wonder though, does this raise those former debtors' taxes? pretty sure forgiven debt counts as income, whereas the debt itself is probably tax neutral, or even favorable in some cases (student loan debt for eligible tax payers).

    6. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      A lot of the debts they buy are fraudulent. They rarely get paperwork, and if they do it's often incomplete or just wrong. In many cases the debt was not paid because it's fraudulent or the details are incorrect.

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    7. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      John Oliver literally has made incredibly vocal and public attacks against all those groups. He is literally the exact opposite of what you just described.

    8. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you please expend on this a little bit? Maybe supporting it with some facts would be helpful. I've not seen John Oliver do this, and quite the opposite, I've seen John Oliver oppose this; however, I see nothing in your statement to say that you are being deliberately disingenuous, so I think you are attempting to make a statement with integrity. My own experiences, however, show the opposite of your statement to be true. I am very interested in understanding your point, so my own evaluation can be improved.

    9. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      A lot of the debts they buy are fraudulent. They rarely get paperwork, and if they do it's often incomplete or just wrong. In many cases the debt was not paid because it's fraudulent or the details are incorrect.

      The debt industry has lots of problems, for sure. I have no doubt that lots of debts that some companies are trying to collect on are based on faulty info. I can say thought that Rolling Jubilee has historically used the contact information they get with the debts they purchase and informed the debtors that they have been forgiven. Does it work 100% of the time? Almost certainly not. But if even a fraction of them work out and relieve people of debts that they would otherwise be getting hounded over - often of no fault their own - then it is worth while IMHO.

      And of course if you don't like the group you're free to give them nothing. They'll keep rolling along.

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    10. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. That's why they bundle it to hide the fraud in with the real stuff that might actually someday be repaid. These "forgivers" are just dupes and co-conspirators in fraud.

    11. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by Corporate+Gadfly · · Score: 1

      Here's the clip clip from youtube.

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    12. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by doctorvo · · Score: 0

      John Oliver literally has made incredibly vocal and public attacks against all those groups.

      So have Obama and Clinton.

      He is literally the exact opposite of what you just described.

      He doesn't understand! Explain as you would a child!

    13. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by doctorvo · · Score: 0

      But if you want to claim that he is the opposite of what the citation shows him doing then please be so kind as to give a reason for someone to think you didn't just pull that line out of your own posterior.

      No, I'm saying that the very fact that "In June 2016 John Oliver bought up $15M of medical debt and forgave it." makes him a "champion of wealthy doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and excessive medical costs in America."

      The fact that you don't understand why makes you a gullible fool.

    14. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      No, I'm saying that the very fact that "In June 2016 John Oliver bought up $15M of medical debt and forgave it." makes him a "champion of wealthy doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and excessive medical costs in America."

      Do you understand what he actually did? He did not give $15M to anyone. He bought the $15M of debt for ~$60k. The people you are trying to demonize here got little if any money from the $60k that he spent, it went almost entirely to the debt market itself that was bundling and re-selling the debt. The people who the debts were originally owed to had sold and written off the debt some time ago.

      Now, did his action do anything about the excessive medical costs? Arguably no. What it did do though was relieve a small random number of people of debts that could have come to cost them their cars, their homes, their livelihoods, and perhaps even more. Medical debt is one of the leading causes of personal bankruptcy in the US. If you have another plan for this problem, we would love to see it; criticizing someone else for doing something about it does not help.

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    15. Re:Sounds like a favorite cause of mine by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      I think his drive-by trolling has finally been recognized accordingly; his karma is now at the point where he posts at 0 instead of 1. Will he learn from this? Only time will tell ...

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  55. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is not that the US does not 'have' enough money for healthcare. The US Govt, just prioritizes healthcare for its citizens less than it prioritizes, say, defence, tax cuts, naval exercises and so on.

    Additionally, though govt money sounds like a huge pile of money, these are smaller piles of money and if a smaller pile is unused then, it does not automatically get used for other actions. So if the money allocated to the border wall is unused, it does not go to healthcare - and similarly other piles cannot be used to build the wall. So making the govt spend money on legal issues will definitely reduce the money available to build the wall.

    So you can bitch about the govt not spending money on healthcare, and waste the money they spend on wrong priorities

  56. Re: Into the toilet by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    "Walls" actually work pretty well against illegal immigration, whether it's an actual wall, a moat, patrolling guards, coast guard, or something else. They just don't work 100%. This is the same kind of argument people use against improving highways because "the traffic jam will just move a couple of kilometers down the road". By that logic, you could just open up the border and let everyone in.

    "Walls don't work" is a meaningless slogan. Instead assess how big an issue Latino immigration actually is, and what impact Trump's wall will actually make compared to what's currently on the border. Not a lot, probably.

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  57. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their goal was to prevent the wall being built, saving billions of dollars. If they can delay long enough Trump might run out of time or political capital to do it.

    Or did you think Mexico was paying for it?

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  58. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why it is so important that those in authority are approachable, that they believe those who come to them, and that they handle the matter properly. Otherwise this is what we get, court of the internet trials with literally zero evidence.

    Now you know DNS-and-Bind only applies this reasoning to conservative, right-wing, individuals, who are properly deserving of a complete exoneration in all circumstances because any and all complaints about their malfeasance are clearly and solely manufactured deceits from the vile and dishonest left-wing traitors who hate America.

    We know this is true, because of DNS-and-Bind's support for Roy Moore himself. DNS-and-Bind reasons that Moore's edifice to the Ten Commandments is a sacred object, and if it were in any way at all possibly offensive to God, then surely he would have been struck down. Instead? He will be elected to the highest of offices with the full and complete support of all right-thinking Alabamians. And also Donald Trump. Would God let a man be so prosperous and wealthy if he were not righteous and just? Of course not! No way about it. Thus it is the will of the Almighty that he rule us with his divine right! It is the mandate of Heaven.

    Now bow down and show your obeisance, you godless heathen AmiMoJo, you are clearly contemptible, but if you grovel sufficiently, it is possible the infinite Mercy will spare you the eternal damnation you so richly deserve.

  59. Anti-American Rawlsian scut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do I understand ... pimping narco.MEX border-jumping rapists & murderers is your view of patriotic behavior ? Then hypothetically if somebody smash-yo-face many will view that as encouraging freedom-of-speech. Imagine hows it feel without teeth to chew ? See how that works palsy ?

  60. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which aaaa... Was consensual...

      lol captcha content': consent

  61. Ironic or hypocritical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "eat the rich..."
    you mean, like the founders of CAH, who are basically millionaires now?

  62. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Kneo24 · · Score: 1

    So you can bitch about the govt not spending money on healthcare, and waste the money they spend on wrong priorities

    You can, but it's still pretty hypocritical. Government services cost money. If there's less of it to go around because you're purposely creating road blocks to quash initiatives that are more than likely going through, there will be less money to go around after those initiatives are completed, or become a continuous sunk cost. Their efforts would be better spent on donating to campaigns in what they feel are key states to get the right people in congress.

  63. Re:Unfortunate timing by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    "Things women do lie about: what they ate for lunch. Things women don't lie about: rape."

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  64. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel you spend too much time on this website. Do you have any hobbies?

  65. Re: Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, we do see you in your native habitat, idiot.

  66. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But then you have liberals who advocate taxing the "rich" (which is easy for people like the Clintons to advocate, for example, when the bulk of their money goes through their foundation, and also easy for people with family to advocate since the taxes under discussion always on income, not on wealth), or granting legal status to illegal immigrants (all the while taking advantage of their illegal status to pay them below poverty wages and otherwise take advantage of them). And you also have conservatives crusading for morality while living secret lives awash in the very sins they publicly condemn, and claiming to want to reward hard-working people while perpetuating a crony-capitalist oligarchy.

    Odd that you give such short shrift to the Conservative hypocrites. Let me help you by pointing out Donald Trump's scam with his foundation, or the accusations that Trump hired illegal laborers while actually taking advantage of their status to pay them below poverty wages and otherwise take advantage of them.

    There's plenty of others, but you really should make more of a conscious effort if you're going to want to appear to actually be even-handed.

    Either way, the point is that it is par for the course for politicians in general. I am not sure how to fix it, but term limits might be a good start. And not just term limits on a particular office, but something like a 10 year limit on serving in any federal elected office and the same thing for state-level office. I'm not sure what else might work, but as the electorate we have to do something.

    Sorry man, we tried term limits. Didn't work.

    You're going about it wrong. Doesn't matter if they're in there for a year, or for life, the problem is still the problem, of who and what they are. What you want to do, is instead take away some of the tools for exploitation, such as voter disenfranchisement and gerrymandering.

    We have to quit with the "this person is despicable but I am going to support them anyway because of how much worse I think the other party's person is." That crazy thing about the US 2016 presidential election is that it seems like there were more people voting for Clinton to vote against Trump and more people voting for Trump to vote against Clinton than people that voted in actual support of the candidate for whom they cast their vote. Think about what that says of our political system and our society.

    The Simpsons were telling you that back in the 1990s. Why didn't you listen? Of course, you could have learned about that even further back in American history, like with the Election of 1876, the Election of 1860, or the Crooked Bargain that resulted in 1824. Not to mention the whole business with Thomas Jefferson and John Adams.

    Remember the Naturalization Act of 1798? No? How about the other Alien and Sedition Acts?

    Huh.

  67. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, let's toss the presumption of innocence, any woman pointing a finger at a man and saying "HE RAPED ME" should be grounds to lock the man up for life, constitution et al be damned! Because women don't ever lie about being raped, period!

  68. Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep fighting for our country to be turned into a toilet. Keep being derogatory toward OUR Commander-in-Chief. Never in my life have I witnessed such hate from people who say they promoting good. All people, places, and ANYONE who dares not stand for our national anthem are nothing. You are a part of the problem as this promotion now is.

    1. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's hard not to notice how angry conservatives get when people who don't agree with them exercise their First Amendment rights.

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    2. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I see a lot of extremely angry liberals right now, all because things have not been going the way they want. It makes me wonder whether they have a mental illness or are just extremely immature. Having 20- and 30-year-olds throwing tantrums in public is not a sign of a healthy culture.

    3. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by doctorvo · · Score: 0

      The AC post sounds like what the typical progressive imagines a conservative to say.

      Come on, admit it, "hyades1": you wrote the AC post yourself, just so that you could respond to it in self-righteous indignation.

    4. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I have never commented as an "Anonymous Coward", and I doubt I ever will. The tactic you suggest is deeply dishonest, and the fact that you would accuse somebody of behaving that way says a lot more about you than it does about me.

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    5. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only a conservative could be so reality-averse they are able to ignore the almost daily public temper tantrums thrown by the current US President while accusing liberals of being immature.

      Thanks for the chuckle.

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    6. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Do they set things on fire and block people from talking with violence, like the Left does these days? Hell, the Left doesn't even agree that the First Amendment should exist, they consider it over-the-top radical. The Second shouldn't exist, neither should the Fourth, the Fifth, as a matter of fact they consider the whole Constitution invalid because it was written by ciswhite hetmales.

      Leftists: we're attacking people who say things we don't like. In order to stop them from deciding someday, to possibly, organize and become violent, by organizing, ourselves, and being violent, NOW. We want to stop you from maybe, possibly, someday, doing what we are currently, already doing.ï

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    7. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are more important things to a country than its national anthem, such as feeding people and keeping them healthy, employed, and safe. There are more useful things than blind fealty to a person in a position of power who abuses it by putting people down, lying endlessly about observable facts, and granting gigantic tax breaks to themselves and their extremely wealthy friends while slashing support for anything else.

      Freedom of speech is an important prinicple in western democracies. It doesn't absolve people from responsibility for what they say (i.e. it can be critiqued as freely), but if people want to be "derogatory" to anybody, they have that right. They're allowed to have and express their opinion. Likewise they can peacefully protest. People who have a fundamental problem with these things could explain why we should always say complimentary things about the commander-in-chief or be compelled to stand for a national anthem no matter the circumstances. From the lack of such an explanation, I conclude they do not understand what real freedom is about. "Blindly follow authority" isn't a philosophy I like.

      You are as entitled to your opinion and expression of it as this AC is. From one AC to another, maybe it makes you feel good to bow towards authority, and maybe it makes you angry when other people don't, but as a very law-abiding citizen nevertheless, I say authority has to give me good reasons before I will offer it my respect. While there are plenty of people deserving of such respect (police, soldiers, teachers, and even some politicians), I have none for those who abuse their power.

      Also, Cards Against Humanity has a wry sense of humor with a bitter political slant. I'm sorry it offended you, but that's kind of their shtick. Don't take it so seriously.

    8. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard not to notice how angry conservatives get when people who don't agree with them exercise their First Amendment rights.

      When you say inflammatory things, some people will get angry. However, the conservatives I encounter in real life are significantly more tolerant of people who disagree with them than the progressives. At no time have I ever encountered a conservative person suggest that violence is okay, reply to a person who disagrees with name-calling, or suggest that the person who disagrees with them is somehow less of a human being. Sadly, I can not say the same about liberals. About 20% of the liberals I know will react with hysterics to any idea they do not like. Perhaps the problem is that I live on the east coast, and the conservatives who are intolerant fools live somewhere else.

    9. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Surveys, studies and anecdotal evidence all dispute you. Perhaps you live in an area where conservatives are uncharacteristically tolerant.

      Sadly, I have to conclude that this probably isn't the case, and you simply aren't being truthful. The anger I was discussing here is the outrage directed at the people who bought land in the path of Trump's non-existent wall with a view to impeding its construction. According to the courts, such actions qualify as "speech", and are protected under the First Amendment.

      How many liberals do you know who bought one of the hundreds of thousands of t-shirts that say, "Kill them all, let God sort them out"? How many liberals do you know who fly planes into buildings? How many liberals do you know who left car bombs in front of government buildings in America, or murdered doctors who dared perform legal services for their patients "because religion"?

      I'm sorry, my friend, but your statement is just plain false. Demonstrably false.

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    10. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      When the Left you hate so much plant a bomb like right winger Tim McVeigh, or the ultra-conservative fundamentalist Muslims who took down the World Trade Center, maybe you can talk. Until then, you should probably just shut your yap before you look even more like an idiot.

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    11. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      It's hard not to notice how angry conservatives get when people who don't agree with them exercise their First Amendment rights.

      It's a tad better than arranging cry-ins because your candidate lost. I think this was the first US election where the universities held cry-ins about the result.

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    12. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      LOL putting the Muslims on the same side as the American working class - nice one there. Yeah that's not going to work, pal.

      Ever notice that Timothy McVeigh's bomb went off precisely two years to the day after the US federal government burned down the Branch Davdian compound in Waco, TX, killing all those poor people? A strange coincidence, one that is never remarked upon. And the bomb exploded in front of a US federal building. Huh. I wonder why that happened? Exactly the same day. Well, a coincidence, I suppose. Best not to point out inconvenient truths like that. Did you ever notice this before, or is this the first time you realized it when I just pointed it out?

      None of which excuses today's violence by the Left that shuts down free speech. Just an exercise in whataboutism.

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    13. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Participation trophies, lack of child-age discipline, feminized education, and "I'm a single mom who don't need no man!" mothers have produced a generation of petulant man-children who, for society's sake, would have been better off brought into this world on the other side of a planned parenthood vacuum.

    14. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or the ultra-conservative fundamentalist Muslims who took down the World Trade Center,

      Just to be clear, these are the same muslims that the left screams "RACIST!!" (Islam. Apparently it's a race now.....) when we say "we don't want them here".

    15. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Conservatives are conservatives. The specific version of the delusion is irrelevant. There are moderate Muslims, but they weren't flying planes into the World Trade Centre. They were as appalled as everybody else at the act of the fundamentalist conservatives who pollute and pervert their faith.

      Also irrelevant is your attempt to pretend any link between the Branch Davidians and McVeigh, if it even existed, somehow changes the fact that he was a self-confessed, proud member of the far right.

      Nice try, though

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    16. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Pretend any link? What the fuck? His bombing was an act of revenge for the US federal government burning down the Branch Davidians. If the government didn't do that, there would never have been a bombing in the first place. The US government literally creates its own enemies. Did you seriously not know this before I just told you? Whaaa...? And you call other people uninformed and uneducated? You have a breathtakingly narrow view of the universes inhabited by others.

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    17. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to the liberal people I've seen on NPR posts on Facebook? I've seen ad hoc gangs of people in NPR posts on Facebook scavenging details about anyone who disagrees with them and posting all relevant information like employer, family, etc to Facebook in an effort to bully them into keeping their mouths shut or in some instances actually trying to get people fired.

    18. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's hard not to notice how angry conservatives get when people who don't agree with them exercise their First Amendment rights."

      It's because they want slavery back. Far easier to make money, deal with minorities, rape women, and kill people for fun with slavery.

    19. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure it's the conservatives who argue for unlimited free speech, and liberals who want "safe spaces" and wish to FORCE others to respect their view.

      AC because even after all these years I could never be bothered to make a /. account.

    20. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      "McVeigh was reprimanded by the military for purchasing a "White Power" T-shirt at a Ku Klux Klan protest"

      Game. Set. Match. Now fuck off. I'm busy.

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    21. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      I don't see where H1 is disagreeing that McVeigh committed the act because of the Branch Davidian attack. However, he notes quite accurately that McVeigh was a prime example of a far right conservative nutcase whose terrorist act can be laid at the door of the far right.

      Your attempts to deflect are childish.

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    22. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      McVeigh's bombing was revenge for the US government burning down the Branch Davidians. You think he just one day decided to blow up a federal building for kicks? On the anniversary of the mass murder? If the US government didn't burn all those people to death, McVeigh would be some nutbag with a tiki torch today. Get it?

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    23. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      If the US government didn't burn all those people to death, McVeigh would be some nutbag with a tiki torch today.

      Did you know the radical left did the same as McVeigh? Bombing not just once, but many many times over a period of years and decades? And we have completely forgotten about it today. Yup, it's true, this happened. And the people who did it are still alive and teaching kids today.

      "People have completely forgotten that in 1972 we had over nineteen hundred domestic bombings in the United States."

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    24. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      "If the US government didn't burn all those people to death, McVeigh would be some nutbag with a tiki torch today."

      Let me guess...you know this because he was your good buddy and chose you to confide in before they stuck the needle in him? LOL

      All I ever said is that he is a right wing terrorist. You're trying to argue what specific variety of right wing terrorist he is. The fact remains, though. He was a child-murdering, ultra-conservative right wing terrorist.

      I'm sure such creatures are thankful for your continued support, and your constant attempts to excuse their conduct. You make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside when they're planning their next mass murder of women and children. Have they thanked you personally yet, or are you still waiting for a card?

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    25. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by doctorvo · · Score: 0

      The tactic you suggest is deeply dishonest

      My point exactly.

      and the fact that you would accuse somebody of behaving that way says a lot more about you than it does about me.

      What it says is that I have a very low opinion of you.

    26. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't care less what your opinion of me happens to be.

      However, what you have demonstrated is that dishonesty comes naturally to you. This is not surprising, since you are one of the late-comer conservatives who are attempting to take over this site. Of course the idea that somebody might comment incognito, then respond to their own anonymous remark, would come easily to you. It's something you would do, because you are fundamentally dishonest and unethical.

      People like me, who have been participating in discussions on this site for years, have no need to engage in such foolishness. Neither do we have any tolerance for bottom-feeding scum to whom such behaviour is even conceivable, much less justifiable.

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    27. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by doctorvo · · Score: 0

      People like me, who have been participating in discussions on this site for years, have no need to engage in such foolishness.

      Actually, I have been with Slashdot since near the beginning; I still have a four digit UID that I don't use anymore.

      You're part of the group of the "bottom-feeding scum" that has turned it from a technical site into a crappy progressive propaganda site. It's what "bottom-feeding scum" like you do: you take over forums, denounce people, and spread hatred and intolerance.

    28. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Oh...you have a really, really early number you just don't use anymore.

      Yeah, right.

      As mentioned elsewhere, science and technology are deemed "political" by the conservatives attempting to take over this place. Science and technology are their enemies.

      And to reiterate: it takes a special kind of bottom-feeding scum to think about intentionally deceiving people here in some kind of perverted effort to score political points...the kind of bottom-feeding scum who would claim they have been a member here for years and years, but just don't use the number that would prove it. Maybe if you somehow manage to trick your daddy out of his password you can actually get access to it.

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    29. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, your vehement reaction shows that I have obviously hit a nerve and confirms my suspicion that you are, in fact, to quote you "the kind of bottom-feeding scum to think about intentionally deceiving people here in some kind of perverted effort to score political points".

      Nor is that all that surprising, given your UID of more than a million. I'd guess that places you around 2006, a time when we had a large influx of "bottom feeding scum" like you onto the Internet and onto Slashdot.

    30. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      You confuse vehemence with a rational decision to publicly correct a lying cheat, and let him know he's fooling nobody. However, I have no more time to spend on an Anonymous Coward. It appears that my friends and I need to celebrate the victory of Doug Jones in Alabama.

      Kissy-kiss, bottom-feeder. Have a lovely evening.

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    31. Re:Lame promotion for their own lame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It appears that my friends and I need to celebrate the victory of Doug Jones in Alabama.

      Thanks for confirming your strong political partisanship. (I'm not sure that eeking out a victory over a right wing religious nutcase pedophile is much to celebrate, though; it certainly is not a viable long term political strategy for Democrats.)

      However, I have no more time to spend on an Anonymous Coward.

      No doubt after wrecking Slashdot, you and your friends are looking for other science and tech sites to wreck. Your work is never done, is it.

  69. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing this is a republic then!

  70. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as the two things are unrelated, why not? The government does it to you!
    We taxed this thing, because we don't want you to do it (more money for us, yay!). We can't afford this other thing.

    It's exactly the same thing, but from the other side. The government doesn't do one thing, you can support part of what it does, and try to obstruct other parts.

  71. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Because as Lena Dunham said, we always believe the accusers in these situations.

    Well I, for one, don't. Especially when they come out of the woodwork in droves.

  72. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.theroot.com/white-woman-who-lied-about-being-kidnapped-raped-by-3-1797302783
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/25/jemma-beale-lied-rape-sentenced-flawed-system-allegations-sentenced
    https://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/12/13-women-who-lied-about-being-raped-and-why-they-did-it/

    Shall I continue?

  73. Re:Into the toilet by Bartles · · Score: 1

    Socialist paradises like Sweden worked great when they were a Northern European monoculture. Embracing the cult of multiculturalism isn't working too great.

    Also, I used the term Socialist loosely. When Sweden was much more Socialist than it is today, it was experiencing many of the problems that go hand in hand with socialism. It's only as they liberalized over the last several decades that they became a paradise. In many ways they are less socialist than the US. They are at best (or worst) a mixed economy, not socialist.

  74. American, not liberal by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    That comment about Canada, is actually what concerns me most about liberal politics.

    Total disregard for all foreigners is not liberal politics, it's American politics.

  75. Re:Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People got Trump because they wanted someone to deal with the mexican migration problem.

  76. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jews, man.

  77. Re: Into the toilet by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 1

    Good thing this is a republic then!

    See my other reply, but also see e.g.

    • Franklin Delano Roosevelt's "The Great Arsenal of Democracy" speech
    • Dwight D. Eisenhower: "We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow."
    • John F. Kennedy, “For, in a democracy, every citizen, regardless of his interest in politics, 'holds office'; every one of us is in a position of responsibility; and, in the final analysis, the kind of government we get depends upon how we fulfill those responsibilities."
    • Lyndon B. Johnson: "There is no cause for self-satisfaction in the long denial of equal rights of millions of Americans. But there is cause for hope and for faith in our Democracy in what is happening here tonight" (from the We-Shall-Overcome-Speech)
    • ...and, skipping a few:
    • Ronald Reagan: "Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man."

    But then, these are all dead white men, so what do they know!

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  78. SJW Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "we purchased a plot of vacant land on the border and retained a law firm specializing in eminent domain to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for Trump to build his wall.")

    Slashdot has become the toilet.into which all manner of SJW shit stories have been dropped like a deuce from Fat Bastard in Austin Powers

    WTF?

    1. Re:SJW Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BIZX, LLC. is a front. This is not a real news site anymore since Slashdot Media was resold. It was purchased to push political agendas.
       
      Also, "Cards Against Humanity" is vile filth. I already had reason to never play it, and I have even MORE reason now.

    2. Re:SJW Bullshit by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Conservatives often get angry and vituperative when decent Americans resist them, no matter how peacefully it is done.

      Why does the idea that people exercised their constitutional right to buy and own property, then chose to use it as they are legally allowed to fill you with rage?

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    3. Re:SJW Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conservatives often get angry and vituperative when decent Americans resist them, no matter how peacefully it is done.

      No, only in response to the typical kleptocratic idiocy of Progressive Democrats, not decent Americans.

    4. Re:SJW Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No true Scotsman would protest Trump's wall.

    5. Re: SJW Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If simple topics and discussions seemingly fill you with such rage, perhaps the cause lies elsewhere?

      Seeking to solely communicate your anger & frustration and haphazardly rain insults implies you have no true interest in communicating information. Rather, it implies you purely seek to communicate control. And yet, you possess not even one measure of such over those you claim to denigrate.

      The only things you have accomplished are: 1) displaying your lack of power and influence, and 2) your inability to handle that reality.

      If you truly look at other people expressing their opinions as enemies or subservient beings, know that acting in a manner as you have done reveals how weak minded and easily manipulated you are. And there are others out there who can use that against you with stunning effectiveness.

      Something to keep in mind!

    6. Re:SJW Bullshit by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      My comment was accurate and on target. Decent Americans want nothing to do with the current version of US conservatism. People like William F. Buckley would be appalled and disgusted by what passes for conservative thought today.

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    7. Re:SJW Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conservatives often get angry and vituperative when decent Americans resist them, no matter how peacefully it is done.

      Why does the idea that people exercised their constitutional right to buy and own property, then chose to use it as they are legally allowed to fill you with rage?

      Change Conservatives to Liberals and this seamlessly applies to any discussion about the 2nd amendment.

    8. Re: SJW Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way the game is played now, it's conservatives OR liberals that ~

    9. Re: SJW Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your tears are delicious, neckbeard.

  79. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People got Trump because, and I quote:

    "I know a lot about hacking. And hacking is a very hard thing to prove, so it could be somebody else."

  80. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The wall is going to be built.

    No it isn't. Parts might get done, but no-way is a wall along the whole border going to be built. Trump hasn't got enough support in his own party to get it done. Quite probably he'll be impeached in the next year, anyway, and once he is out of office, the whole idea of the wall will be abandoned.

    I could be wrong about the impeachment, the evidence to do it seems to be there, but I don't know if the political will to do it is. In any case the wall won't be complete in his first term, unless he manages a second term, whoever follows him will drop the plan.

  81. Re:Into the toilet by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    In Germany, for one, it is _impossible_ to find work without papers. Because the fines for the employers are high five figures for each illegal worker, plus very close monitoring for years after.

    Europe doesn't have a fucking clue. They have only just _started_ to see flows on the scale the USA has had for decades. As you say, those flows are crashing the system.

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    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  82. "militarily obsolete"? by doctorvo · · Score: 1

    Right now, the federal government is working to pour billions of your tax dollars into building a wall between the United States and Mexico, despite the fact that walls have been militarily obsolete since the advent of gunpowder.

    A border wall with Mexico isn't a wall against a military assault, it's a wall against illegal migrants and drug smugglers. Can such walls work? You bet. They presented a big obstacle to the millions trying to flee from the socialist East Bloc into the capitalist West. That's why people trying to escape socialism hid in car trunks or even built hot air balloons.

    Of course, before building a wall, the US should do what other civilized nations do, which is to ensure every American can easily prove their citizenship and requiring proof of legal presence in the US for government benefits, employment, schooling, housing, taxation, and banking.

    1. Re:"militarily obsolete"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, before building a wall, the US should do what other civilized nations do, which is to ensure every American can easily prove their citizenship and requiring proof of legal presence in the US for government benefits, employment, schooling, housing, taxation, and banking.

      ...and voting. Oh wait, that's rayciss, and the leftists who don't want the wall are also the ones doing their best to block voter ID.

  83. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It didn't work in 2002, 2008, 2010, or 2014 when the Federal government used eminent domain as spelled out in the Constitution to take the land along the border where it was building fences.

    All they're really doing is tricking people into making sure than the profit from the land purchase goes to these guys rather than the people that actually live there.

  84. Re: Into the toilet by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Whoever 'hacked' the DNC and Hillary is a hero!

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  85. Build wall on their land, make them maintain it. by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 2

    Gift them the wall, require they pay for ongoing maintenance. That'll teach em.

  86. Re:Misanthropy by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here you go. A few interesting takeaways:

    1. Conservative households tend to make about 6% less than Liberal households, yet give 30% more to charity.

    2. There are more "big donors" (those who give over $1000) among Conservatives than Liberals

    3. In the 2012 Presidential election, the top 15 charitable States all voted for the GOP; the bottom 15 overwhelmingly (13 of 15) voted for the Democrats.

    4. Religious people (usually more on the Conservative side of things) tend to overwhelmingly give to charities as compared to non-religious

    5. Married people (who tend to be more conservative on average) give much more than unmarried people

    6. The US by far and away is the most charitable nation on Earth

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  87. Re:Misanthropy by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Charities are often scams on both sides. e.g. The Clinton Global Fund. Why did it's funding go dry the day the bitch lost?

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  88. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you're replying to sarcasm, bro.

  89. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by doctorvo · · Score: 2

    The US Govt, just prioritizes healthcare for its citizens less than it prioritizes, say, defence, tax cuts, naval exercises and so on.

    The US government spends more per capita on healthcare than almost any other nation. Yes, the US government, excluding the private sector.

    The problem with the US healthcare system isn't excessive stinginess by the government, it is excessive costs and excessive prices. And the ACA did nothing to address excessive costs and prices (because drug companies, lawyers, and doctors tend to be big donors), instead it simply tried to force Americans to pay those excessive prices in perpetuity, which ensures that this will never get fixed.

    So if the money allocated to the border wall is unused, it does not go to healthcare

    And by "healthcare", you mean the yachts and estates of wealthy doctors, insurance company executives, and pharmaceutical companies.

  90. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Merkel, Soros and their fellow banksters have a mission to destroy the host nation they live in.

    Merkel is only a half German. Guess the other half.

  91. Re:Unfortunate timing by Pikoro · · Score: 1

    How about making terms in Congress akin to jury duty? You get selected and bam! You're in congress for 2 years. Or perhaps not congress but your local city/county/state government. Make it a burden. OR, once someone is elected into office, they don't get paid their salary. They get a house, transportation, clothing, food, basically what you get when you're in the military, and a small monthly stipend. Then, when their term is up, their constituents vote on how well they represented them, an "approval rating" of sorts. That resulting percentage determines what percentage of back pay they receive. The incentive is to represent their constituents and if they manage to get reelected, perhaps tack a bonus on dependent on the difference between the votes they received and the votes the person they beat out receives. I dunno, just off the top of my head here.

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  92. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever the truth of the situation, the whole thing reads a little like, "I'm sorry if you thought I sexually assaulted you, but I definitely did not."

    So, that's not a valid viewpoint?

    Let me tell you, with all this accusatory sexual assault, I sometimes wonder what would happen if *I* was accused of sexual assault, even though I have done nothing. The only thing I can come up with is: "I'm sorry you thought I sexually assaulted you, but I definitely did not."

  93. Re:Unfortunate timing by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    No, we're shaming those homosexuals that are shaming homosexuals.

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  94. Re:Unfortunate timing by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I have no problem there. And I actually also don't have a problem with him getting fucked by some big cocked black guy in his favorite public toilet.

    I have a problem with him claiming some moral high ground and spouting bullshit like how fags are going to hell. But I'm sure his god will forgive him, he always does to the real believers, no matter what kind of asshole they really are.

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  95. Re:Into the toilet by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    And guess what: That's African and Asians coming in legally.

    Again: Wanna trade? Most people here would gladly do so.

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  96. Re: Into the toilet by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Judging by her looks, aardvark?

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  97. Re:Unfortunate timing by magarity · · Score: 1

    How about making terms in Congress akin to jury duty?

    It would be simpler to just repeal the 17th. That really screwed the citizens.

  98. Re:Into the toilet by Ogive17 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Have you played Cards Against Humanity? Have you ever thought that maybe there's some humor woven in to their actions?

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  99. False by backslashdot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Walls work temporarily, but eventually they fail. Look at all the walls of history, no ancient wall marks a modern border.

    1. Re: False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name a country who's borders are exactly the same as 2000 years ago. Country's borders change, that's a fact of life, but walls have a pretty good history of delaying that change. If Mexico had a wall from Texas to California that land might still be Mexican. At the least it would stand as a blatant reminder that "hey this was Mexican before you stole it".

    2. Re:False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Walls work temporarily, but eventually they fail. Look at all the walls of history, no ancient wall marks a modern border.

      This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever read. You've noticed that structures don't last forever.

      Let's make some observations based on your reasoning:
      *Very few, if any, Roman aqueducts are still in use, therefore aqueducts don't work.
      *Some ancient roads are still in use, but they probably can't handle heavy traffic from trucks or cars moving at 70 MPH. Therefore, roads don't work.
      *Castles are no longer used as a means of defense. Therefore, fortifications are useless.

    3. Re: False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strawmen are easy to knock down, therefore strawmen arguments don't work.

  100. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't tell if that's a serious answer...(?)

  101. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As above, is this sarcasm?

  102. Re: Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost M by nate11000 · · Score: 1

    Well, sure, if you turn your brain off. Or you could recognize that the two issues are very different, and the âoecost moreâ part is intended as a deterrent, not just to take money out of the governmentâ(TM)s pockets.

  103. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Things women lie about: saying what they do and do not lie about.

  104. Re:Build wall on their land, make them maintain it by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    You're in favour of allowing the government to come onto private property and build things against the owner's wishes?

    Are you a socialist, or a full-on communist?

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  105. SubjectIsSubject by p0p0 · · Score: 1

    make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for American taxpayers

    FTFY, because Trump isn't actually paying for it personally. It's kind of like keying your own car to get back at the dealership.

    IANAL but I would think that considering they've announced very publicly the exact reason they bought this land was to block the wall, it makes it much easier for the government case to take it back.

    I'm also finding very odd how they are taking all these political stances for some reason, as if a card game where one of the cards is "two midgets shitting in a bucket" is somehow going to be a rallying point for political dissent. Fools and their money I suppose.

  106. Re:Unfortunate timing by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

    Because as Lena Dunham said, we always believe the accusers in these situations...

    ...until she doesn't.

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  107. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By that logic we shouldn't protest anything the government does because if it doesn't work out just wastes money. Money is clearly the most important thing here, a few million in litigation tops out of the billions being pissed away on this thing.

    Or maybe we could go really nuts and claim it's a subsidy to Mexico. A 30ft high wall is a massive stimulus program for 31ft ladder manufacturers south of the border.

    Also, well done calling my post retarded. Really adds credibility to your argument-by-Trump "it will definitely happen, and it will be easy" narrative.

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  108. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5. Married people (who tend to be more conservative on average) give much more than unmarried people

    Couples give more than singles. Color me surprised.

  109. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because as Lena Dunham said, we always believe the woman in these situations.

    Fixed that for ya.

  110. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the most logical post I have seen on Slashdot in a while.

  111. Re:Unfortunate timing by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    We already have too many deeply stupid people in Congress, and your plan wouldn't improve things. On the plus side, the moral character of the general population is probably superior to most members of Congress, and 2 years limits the amount of time they'd have to become corrupted.

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  112. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disagree

    Multiculturalism works as long as there is equity in representation. That never happens in practice because immigrants all group together in an enclave and then undermine the countryâ(TM)s stability when the wonâ(TM)t learn the language, obey the laws, or put their religion above their citizenship. The end result is that the country breaks up.

    The United States is rapidly heading towards the pacific coast breaking away from the mainland, and the Bible Belt breaking away from the the New England and New York region. That will be the next civil war.

  113. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you ran for the office, I would vote for you.

  114. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    No one has ever accused the American government of not having enough money to pay for healthcare.
    The American government hasn't allocated enough money to pay for healthcare.

    That's a very VERY big difference and the amount they allocate has nothing to do with how much this comical protest will cost the government.

  115. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see that somehow donations to religious institutions count for 39% of those donations. sounds a lot like the buyout of indulgentia in the late middle ages.

  116. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does that 30% more to "charity" include tithes and other donations to their church? If so, then they are buying their places in heaven and donating to their local social club. A bit self serving in that type of charity.

  117. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Puhlease, the Berlin Wall was basically 99.9999% effective. That is the definition of "Walls do work".

    And today the wall at the DMZ on the Korean peninsula is just as effective or better than the Berlin wall. By your statements you are showing your ignorance.

  118. Re:Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think you have ever tried a private system. As a sufferer of a disease that requires the occasional MRI I can get one in about one weeks time. My fellow suffering friends in Britain who have the NHS system covering them have to wait 4 months for an MRI. There is proof that government run healthcare stinks.

  119. Re:Unfortunate timing by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    It would be simpler to just repeal the 17th. That really screwed the citizens.

    This is my favorite dopey right-wing trope: "It really screws the citizens to allow them to vote on their own senators."

    By your logic, the best thing that could happen "for the citizens" is to have all members of congress and the president chosen by a panel of Breitbart editors.

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  120. Re:Unfortunate timing by ewibble · · Score: 1

    I generally believe the accuser because that is the way the world is. My problem is what seems to be the definition and sexual assault and the over reaction to it.

    I am sure that the woman felt unconformable for a few seconds. Who hasn't but when has feeling slightly uncomfortable been justification for ruining someones life.The appropriate response is to tell them to get lost.

    I also believe we are making women out to be much weaker, and stupider than they really are. Oh I saw a penis, I emotionally scared for life. Or he invited me up to his hotel room for a meeting, I had no idea that he was going to make a move on me. Please which cave where these women brought up in.

    I think getting paid $100,000 for a creepy old guy to to wank in front of me is more than adequate compensation.

    Yes people should feel unharassed and safe in the workplace, but people also need to express there desire for one another, sometimes that desire will not be reciprocated, there is no need for someones entire life to be ruined over it. It is a dangerous and impossible thing to totally suppress ones sexuality. Eg catholic priest, or you can just stop being homosexual right, its a choice.

    We have many greater problems in this world like people starving or being killed by war that we should be outraged about before we start getting outraged about some woman being kissed, or having her bottom squeezed.

  121. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The worst offenders of women are rapists and murderers, right? Who did the people you mention (Weinstien, Franken, Laurer) rape or kill? If the answer is 'nobody' (which is the right answer), then your statement is false. Had you added Roy Moore into that list, you had a chance of being right, as he appears, from public statements made both by and against him, to be a pedophile and rapist. The ones that you actually mentioned, however, aren't even close.

    AFAIK, you have now called these people rapists and they now have a valid legal case to make against you, which you would lose if they prosecuted (don't worry, you're safe, it won't happen). This is against Slahdot standards, no? Calling people 'rapists' seems like it could have ramifications for Slashdot as well. Illegal acts should not be tolerated on Slashdot, right?

    My personal belief is that you are another Eurasian troll, and IHBT. Just in case you aren't, people should know how mentally ill you are. Please seek treatment for your megalomania.

  122. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You made this prediction of the future:

    The wall is going to be built.

    The questions was asked:

    did you think Mexico was paying for it

    and then you disingenuously said:

    that has nothing to do with what I'm discussing

    Quite literally, "the wall" is the first thing that you wrote, and the discussion is about money. You were talking about (a) the wall, (b) paying for the wall, and (c) your idiot President has made his thoughts clear already about this wall and where the money was going to come from to build it.

    It is clearly and unambiguously directly referencing the conversation that you are currently involved in, and yet you claim it has "nothing to do" with the discussion. You're lying to yourself and to us. You appear embarrassed by comments made by a would-be president that you support, and now you are deliberately lying to attempt to avoid that embarrassment. Shame on you.

  123. Bullshit Pandering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a sensational promotion to keep this company in the news. Funny how they want to demonize successful people while trying to make themselves successful while rewarding socialist-based prizes. How soon they forget that it was capitalism that allowed them to be in a position to push socialism.

  124. Left-wing populism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is still populism, and is not going to get any closer to solving America's problems than Trump's right-wing kind.

    You need real politics, the kind where opponents are willing to make deals and trade objectives off against each other. You know, the kind that most Republicans (and many Democrats) now demonize or stigmatize as 'selling out'.

    That's the way politics gets things done. That way you can pass real laws and make a real, lasting difference, not just flamboyant gestures that will be reversed next time the government changes. Populism, of any kind, will only turn you against each other.

  125. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US government spends more per capita on healthcare than almost any other nation. Yes, the US government, excluding the private sector.

    Per capita what? Per population? Per taxpayer? But what about in terms of healthcare received, or in terms of assessing the costs of healthcare?

    Think about the difference. Then cite your sources. I'm sure you realize that hand-waved declarations of vague assertions are not especially persuasive when we know how easy it is to lie with statistics.

    The problem with the US healthcare system isn't excessive stinginess by the government, it is excessive costs and excessive prices.

    Indeed, among other things, it's lack of coverage. And bankruptcies.

    Which isn't caused by the government being stingy, it's because the government isn't being thrifty enough by operating its own healthcare facilities. Oh wait, that's because the government is being made to be stingy under the false pretense of not providing its own healthcare facilities!

    And the ACA did nothing to address excessive costs and prices (because drug companies, lawyers, and doctors tend to be big donors), instead it simply tried to force Americans to pay those excessive prices in perpetuity, which ensures that this will never get fixed.

    Yes, it didn't have a public health insurance provision, let alone a healthcare provision, but we knew this at the time.

    Do you not have any actual recall of the situation?

    However, you forget the specific subsidies that did reduce the costs for the poor.

    That some of us would have preferred hiring more doctors and providing better medical care directly, well, we didn't get a vote on that, now did we?

    So if the money allocated to the border wall is unused, it does not go to healthcare

    And by "healthcare", you mean the yachts and estates of wealthy doctors, insurance company executives, and pharmaceutical companies.

    Now now, we're told "trickledown> " is essential by the GOP. It's their tax-plan now.

    Sorry man, you've got less than you think.

    But hey, at least you can get your pills.

    Look, you know what's happening is due to the GOP, they're the party that's responsible now. And they're going to do their best job...of filling their own pockets. And baking

  126. Re:Into the toilet by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    It's basically a bad knockoff of the old Steve Jackson game, Illuminati.

    Not as funny though.

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  127. Re:Misanthropy by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Just wait until you find out that most of the people in prison are Democrats.

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  128. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And how many of these "charities" are pushing a religious agenda? Giving to groups like Bibles for Missions may count to some as giving to charity, but not to me.

  129. Re:Misanthropy by hexadecimate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since supporting your religion of choice is "charitable giving" in the US, nothing you wrote is surprising. Subtract "charitable giving" to religious causes and -- surprise! -- secular and non-secular giving rates are about the same. Now...where do the majority of religious people live, as a percent of a state's total population? In which states do the majority of non-religious people live, as a percentage of total population? Argument skewing with statistics. Fun for everyone!

  130. Re:Misanthropy by swillden · · Score: 1

    2. There are more "big donors" (those who give over $1000) among Conservatives than Liberals
    4. Religious people (usually more on the Conservative side of things) tend to overwhelmingly give to charities as compared to non-religious

    Subtract out church donations, then look at the numbers.

    (I should point out that I give large amounts of money to my church. I'd actually like to believe that religious people are more giving overall, but I don't think it's true.)

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  131. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That summary is very misleading because you leave out a couple important statistics that suggest why those numbers are that way:

    1. Religious causes get a plurality of all donations at 39%.
    2. People who regularly attend religious services donate 3x-4x more (~$2k more than those who don't on average), but nearly all of that $2k goes to religious causes.

    That article goes out of its way to not give the relevant statistics splitting out "religious causes", but it seems pretty likely most, if not all, of the difference between conservatives and liberals charitable giving can be explained by what for any other organization would be a membership fee being officially considered a charitable donation when the organization is a church.

  132. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nearly none of the murderers are atheist

  133. Re:When did Slashdot turn full SJW by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot started up that way. Where were you?

  134. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, the most effective tactic to ending illegal immigration is to arrest the employers who hire them and seize their assets. You'll see a sudden drop in demand when that happens.

  135. Re:Misanthropy by nhtshot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's easy to say that when churches are considered "charities" and the republicans actively court every church goer they can find.

    This distortion is clearly evident from your own article, but ignored in your post. 40% of the way down the page is the breakdown, "Religion and Charitable Giving". The church-goers group gives slightly more than the non church goers to secular causes, but they dwarf everything else on the chart with their donations to the church.

    Don't get all holier than though about charity when 70% of your "charitable" contributions went to a church.

  136. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Charities are often scams on both sides. e.g. The Clinton Global Fund.

    Sorry, but the Clinton Global Fund has been assessed as not a scam, nor has its parent entity.

    Why did it's funding go dry the day the bitch lost?

    Why did the GOP tell so many lies about it?

    Sorry HornWumpus, but you've discredited yourself.

    You're just too much of a partisan ideologue.

    PS:

    Increasing the average farm plot size should be a goal.

    It is. Of the Corporate Farming Oligarchy.

    Stop being an ignorant mouthpiece, at least insist on being an informed one.

    Then again, you're obsessed with the losing candidate, while the winning one just might be incapable of feeding himself in a few weeks.

  137. Re:Unfortunate timing by Pikoro · · Score: 1

    The problem is corruption and self interest. To paraphrase:

    Those who want the power are the least suitable to wield it

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  138. LOL - idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ""we purchased a plot of vacant land on the border and retained a law firm specializing in eminent domain to make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for Trump to build his wall.") "

    Easy enough - build the wall to the property's borders. Then put up a lot of cameras. Record the illegals coming through on the property. Then, the government can just seize it at leisure

    "It's hard not to notice how angry conservatives get when people who don't agree with them exercise their First Amendment rights."

    Says the libtard where people only have first amendment rights if they agree with the liberal mouthpiece, right?

  139. Wow by Annatar22 · · Score: 1

    Not like anyone's going to read this far down, but it feels like the comments on a story about 'Giving $1000 to lower income people during the holidays' can be summed up best by, 'God-damn liberals trying to make me look like an asshole by doing a nice thing!'

  140. Sounds like I have to sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gotta spread the wealth you know...

  141. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Idiots and morons. When they leave a gap in the wall for this asshat's plot, we'll just line up to the side and plink away at those who poke there nose through. Complete waste of their money only providing some amusement for us and a whopping property tax bill for them.

  142. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not all charities are equal. And a lot of them are just slush funds and side projects to allow money to be moved to where the wealthy want without it being taxed.

  143. Re:Unfortunate timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't the worst idea. It would be better at having a correct cross section of the population. I'm afraid that racism and sexism might impact the post approval scores though. It would be better to have an unbiased & blind oversight committee along with some media investigators judge to performance. They would have to make a universal criteria and then see how well each member did.

  144. Re:Build wall on their land, make them maintain it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you wilfully stupid, or you just can't help it?

  145. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly you mis-understand Christianity. The whole point of Christianity is that no one can buy their entrance to heaven. Furthermore, social programs were the responsibility of the church, not the government. This was the case until the government took on more and more social programs.

  146. Re:Misanthropy by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

    >Does that 30% more to "charity" include tithes and other donations to their church? If so, then they are buying their places in heaven and donating to their local social club. A bit self serving in that type of charity.

    Religious people donate both more to churches - no big surprise there - but also to secular charities at a higher rate than atheists.

  147. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Their goal was to prevent the wall being built, saving billions of dollars. If they can delay long enough Trump might run out of time or political capital to do it.

    Est. $28B to build the wall one time expense. Costs $150B/yearly to deal with illegals in the US alone.

    I'm sure you're lining up to get the wall taken down around Windsor Castle right?

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  148. Re: Into the toilet by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Apparently you have no family that either lived in east germany, or lived there and managed to escape to the west. It worked very well, they even managed to get around 98% of the tunnels used to smuggle western goods in and people out of the east. On top of that those walls and fences are working very well in eastern european countries and greece keeping 'migrants' from entering too. Also seems to have stopped all those palestinian suicide bombers from randomly walking in and blowing people up, or sniping at people along the main highways. And when was the last time you heard about a israeli family being butchered in their beds along with all the children after the wall was completed.

    Walls don't work...sure...

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  149. Re:Misanthropy by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

    Religious people donate both more to religious charities and to secular charities.

    https://www.hoover.org/researc...

  150. Re:Build wall on their land, make them maintain it by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Exactly the response I'd expect from a conservative coward. You should probably leave. Adults are present, and you don't belong.

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  151. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Kneo24 · · Score: 1

    By that logic we shouldn't protest anything the government does because if it doesn't work out just wastes money.

    Not even what I'm implying. Strawman arguments. This is why I never give you the benefit of the doubt. You purposely twist arguments in ways that are intellectually dishonest. I see it from a mile away.

    Money is clearly the most important thing here, a few million in litigation tops out of the billions being pissed away on this thing.

    The political will currently exists to get it done. It's not one of those things where forcing any litigation to stop it is going to work.

    Or maybe we could go really nuts and claim it's a subsidy to Mexico. A 30ft high wall is a massive stimulus program for 31ft ladder manufacturers south of the border.

    Look, another irrelevant statement to support your strawmanning!

    Also, well done calling my post retarded. Really adds credibility to your argument-by-Trump "it will definitely happen, and it will be easy" narrative.

    I dunno, maybe you should stop making retarded statements, stop strawmanning, stop adding useless rhetoric, and actually discuss what I'm writing and not what you think I might be writing to get into one of those "gotcha" moments.

  152. Cut them off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just build the wall so their part is locked in with mexico.

  153. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Actually yeah, that thing should be in public ownership and turned into a tourist attraction. Guillotines optional.

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  154. So.... Republicans still give more..... by dfenstrate · · Score: 2

    It's easy to say that when churches are considered "charities" and the republicans actively court every church goer they can find.

    This distortion is clearly evident from your own article, but ignored in your post. 40% of the way down the page is the breakdown, "Religion and Charitable Giving". The church-goers group gives slightly more than the non church goers to secular causes, but they dwarf everything else on the chart with their donations to the church.

    Don't get all holier than though about charity when 70% of your "charitable" contributions went to a church.

    So, by your own review, the Church-goers still 'win'. And to accept your 'point', you would have to imagine that Church contributions go only to fund church operations. They don't. Church raised funds also go to charity operations both directly (food banks, for example) and indirectly (providing a meeting space- and building heating- for local groups like boys and girl scouts, AA, etc.)

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  155. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Obviously a very biased article, but it also is looking at one single thing rather than the overall context.

    He notes “there is a persistent sterotype about charitable giving in politically progressive regions of America: while people on the political right may be hardworking and family-oriented, they tend not to be very charitable toward the less fortunate,” while, “those on the political left care about vulnerable members of society, and are thus the charitable ones. This stereotype is wrong.”

    Perhaps a more realistic view would be that the "political left" are far stronger supporters of government support for those who need it rather than charitable donations.

  156. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "think"

    Never happened. Fake news. SAD!

  157. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention that LynnwoodRooster is implying that charities are better than government.

    And they seem to be conveniently forgetting a couple things:

    1) Churches are tax exempt (see John Oliver's Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption)

    2) Countries run by churches are the same, if not worse, as the current theocracies that we have in the world today

    3) The Vatican basically ran a child sex slave trade

    4) The Dark Ages were caused by the Church (who knew crusades were bad?)

  158. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Est. $28B to build the wall one time expense. Costs $150B/yearly to deal with illegals in the US alone.

    You're implying that after the wall is built the US will spend less yearly funds on illegals. How much less do think? That really depends on how effective the wall will be, which is arguable. Actual building costs will likely be higher regardless, as the last 600 mile stretch of fencing ended up costing far more than estimated also.

  159. Re: Into the toilet by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Nothing total and complete darkness wouldn't fix!

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  160. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It wasn't the wall that was effective. It was the secret service and men with guns and orders to shoot to kill on top of the wall that were effective. Me, I'd rather not replicate that here.

  161. Great... another Socialist company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's an idea: All you guys that have good paying jobs (maybe because you went to college, worked hard, whatever the case), and pay your share of taxes, why don't you give your money to us, and we'll give it to those who don't pay their own way?

    Great idea. Now move to Canada

  162. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially if in their madness they allow charities to engage in political activities and retain their tax free status.

  163. Re:Build wall on their land, make them maintain it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My guess is that GP is n American. This sounds like exactly the sort of thing the US government would do.

  164. Re:Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a single anecdote that government run healthcare in one specific country isn't always perfect.

    FTFY.

  165. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well actually, since they are believers they are by definition holier than you.

  166. Support Illegal Activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since they seem to support breaking the law through supporting illegal immigration, I wonder if they would actively support someone stealing their product?

  167. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, but you're implying that churches aren't charitable causes. Quite a bit of their money is used for such things. But even if you completely ignore church donations, you say yourself that "The church-goers group gives slightly more than the non church goers to secular causes" which still supports the argument that conservatives are at least as charitable as liberals.

    As for who is holier than whom, well, that's just ad hominim and not my place to sort out anyway. :)

  168. Re:Into the toilet by painandgreed · · Score: 1

    It's basically a bad knockoff of the old Steve Jackson game, Illuminati.

    You have obviously never played either Card Against Humanity or the old Steve Jackson game (either one), Illuminati. Makes me wonder if you just didn't forget to log out and post as the usual shit posting AC.

  169. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that immigration from Mexico is still a negative number (and growing more negative as they leave the dumpster fire that is the USA), it's clearly meant to keep people in, rather than keeping people out.

  170. Re:Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost Mo by NeoTubNinja · · Score: 1

    Have you seen the members of the US Congress?!?! We basically pay them to twiddle their thumbs all day. Well ... that and take juicy donations from the private sector. Everything in politics is a money and time sink. Hypocrisy is the flavor of the day.

    The difference here is that in the end, they are SAVING the government money by not allowing them to build a big, dumb, ineffective wall. You say they are wasting the government's money by creating roadblocks. I say the government is wasting OUR money by trying to barrel through roadblocks. How about we stop building the wall and save everybody time and money?

    Should the EFF stop their work because they are a "roadblock" to removing net neutrality? Maybe the ACLU and NAACP are also governmental roadblocks too? Get rid of them all and we have a well oiled machine that doesn't fail anybody!!! /s

  171. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Berlin wall also had guards with guns watching it 24/7; I don't think this has been proposed for Trumps wall. Had that not been the case for Berlin I suspect it wouldn't have been nearly as effective.

  172. Re:Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think you have ever tried a private system. As a sufferer of a disease that requires the occasional MRI I can get one in about one weeks time. My fellow suffering friends in Britain who have the NHS system covering them have to wait 4 months for an MRI. There is proof that government run healthcare stinks.

    That is not "proof that government run healthcare stinks". That is anecdotal evidence that the NHS may need to invest in more MRI machines and supporting personnel. However, if 4 month waits for MRIs aren't causing adverse health outcomes, that would be a waste of money.

    One (of many) reasons the US spends twice per capita on healthcare as other advanced nations is that many doctors are invested in imaging centers to which they refer their own patients.

    The "whatever I want, whenever I want it, and a lot of it" mentality that afflicts much of American life is terrible for health care costs. Moreover, it is paid for even by those who are willing to use only what the need and wait for it if necessary.

  173. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What percentage of your earnings do you donate to charity?

    I agree that church tithes should be discounted, but it seems that discounting them by 100% is going too far; regardless of your support or opposition to proselytization, churches do engage in useful charity work (e.g. food shelf donation drives).

    It seems to me that anyone who doesn't contribute to charity doesn't have a leg to stand on in criticizing people who give to religious charities.

  174. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Berlin wall didn't run along the border of East and West Germany. Berlin was in the middle of East Germany...and the wall did an excellent job of keeping people from escaping to west Berlin.

  175. Re: Into the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Democracy does not work because critical thinking begins at an IQ of ~110, and a full 2/3rds of people are below this. As such, the less intelligent will always outnumber the intelligent. Democracy is âoeidiot ruleâ ... well, not really âoeidiotâ per-se, but those with the intellect to solve problems are always going to be outvoted by those who learn through repetition. To hell with your positions on the issues, in most places, the winner is the person who had the most visibility in a partiular locality. Equal representation is fools gold, any democratic society will always fall into corruption. Even Lenin eventually realized the working class was too mentally dull to rise up. Give them their bread and circuses, and you can do what you want to the nation.

  176. Re:Misanthropy by BeeArt · · Score: 1

    Donate a fish, and the poor will eat for a day. Giving them proper access to the pond however, seems to be a different thing.

  177. Re: Worried About Healthcare, Making Things Cost M by doctorvo · · Score: 0

    Per capita what? Per population? Per taxpayer?

    Per American. Thatâ(TM)s what âoeper capitaâ means. Geez, did your education end in the third grade?

    But what about in terms of healthcare received, or in terms of assessing the costs of healthcare?

    Of course, Americans receive very little healthcare for that enormous amount of money spent. Thatâ(TM)s my point: the problem isnâ(TM)t that we arenâ(TM)t spending enough money, the problem is that healthcare in the US costs too much.

    Then cite your sources. I'm sure you realize that hand-waved declarations of vague assertions are not especially persuasive when we know how easy it is to lie with statistics.

    Spare me your platitutdes, and look up the numbers yourself: there are numerous sources.

    Indeed, among other things, it's lack of coverage. And bankruptcies.

    No, not âoeamong other thingsâ; lack of coverage is the result of excessive prices, and so are bankruptcies.

  178. Re:Misanthropy by swillden · · Score: 1

    Religious people donate both more to religious charities and to secular charities.

    https://www.hoover.org/researc...

    Interesting. Thanks. I've seen several studies that say the opposite, so clearly I need to dig deeper into the question to identify the differences in methodology. Unfortunately, the article you link is very light on methodological detail and it's not clear if the author has even published that information.

    One guess, though, is that I think the other studies measured non-religious giving in dollars, while the author appears to have measured the probability of giving something. So, religious people who donate thousands to their church and a few dollars to the local homeless shelter vs non-religious people who donate hundreds to the homeless shelter and nothing to the church would fit.

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  179. Re:Misanthropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paying dues so you can go hang out in a pretty building with solid oak seats, beautiful skylights, custom artwork and a new AV system isn't charity.

  180. Re:Misanthropy by TechnoJoe · · Score: 1

    Does that 30% more to "charity" include tithes and other donations to their church? If so, then they are buying their places in heaven

    Bullcrap. God cannot be bought, and heaven is not for sale. The Bible does not link money to admission or spiritual power. In fact, attempts to do so fall under the sin of Simony.

    Might there be a some corrupt people thinking that way? Sure. But don't paint everyone with such a broad brush of corruptible, self-serving behavior. The Church has many true believers with good hearts and cheerful, selfless givers.